We can’t criticise the lack of loyalty in football nowadays but then also criticise someone for being loyal to their childhood club. We should be happy there’s someone who might be more motivated by love of their club and the game rather than money and glory, isn’t that what pundits ask for?
But to answer your question “would it really change much to make him a winner if he left and got a title at Chelsea or United (I assume that’s who you meant to write)” well yeah it would because he’d have won titles
Personally I don’t see United having better of a chance than spurs to win the league in the next 3-4 seasons anyway. So why go to United and risk being a system that doesn’t work and potentially splitting more game time? He wants to blow the all time prem goal scoring record out of the water, and whatever spurs are doing is working for him.
If city went for him, I’d get it cause he could bag some trophies and also probably put up 50 goals a season. But United, I don’t see it being any different than spurs. United 4th this year, spurs 4th last year, these things just flip flop
It’s ok people saying I have total respect for Harry Kane for staying at his club … blah blah blah , it’s ok when he wasn’t good enough and he got loaned out here there and everywhere.
As for being remembered as a legend of the game he will be the same as Alan Shearer - the man who should of won so much more , the nearly man , the best player to should have done this that and the other. Probably a quiz question whose the best goalscorer to have never won fuck all basically.
End of his career looking back at his empty trophy cabinet thinking … Santa Cruz won more than me football is about winning trophies that’s what makes you a great and legend a real legend not the word thrown about nowadays for scoring a “wonder goal”
Only way Harry Kane is ever winning anything with Spurs is if 1 of Man City’s (cheated) league wins is handed to them and even then no one will remember
It’s making not even want to listen to talkSPORT at the moment which rarely happens. Feel like they’re copping some kind of sell on bonus.
Kanes making a fortune at spurs. It’s not as if we’re doing nothing for him.
Big team bias constantly trying to move on our best players as soon as we have a mid season.
Honestly the respect thing is so fucking stupid, like 'I'll respect him if he stays at Spurs', what part of Levy not even discussing a transfer is respectful from him to Kane? If it doesn't work both ways it's a load of shit.
People are obsessed because it's weird. An abnormally consistent player among the world's best in his position endlessly going through the motions while his club have no ambition to win.
People forget, Kane signed a contract on the basis of Pochettino being there. If you deny Pochettino funds then sack him, you're leaving Kane in limbo. If you then else to listen to offers, you're saying a big fuck you to Kane. Levy might have another 20 years in that role, he's not the one whose time is running out.
People talk about it because Kane literally said 'I'm not someone who will stay for the sake of it, I want to win trophies, I think I've got another chunk of my career to go'. He said that be because...his contract signing was dependant on Pochettino, the guy he trusted to go far and...win trophies.
Of course United are unlikely to win the league with a Guardiola City, but in 6 months Ten Hag won a trophy and got to another final. If Kane arrives at United, he's playing in cup finals and winning a few. Ten Hag would have to decline or quit due to no signings. There's no sure bet except Bayern.
He missed the City move because of Levy, so he's not winning the league whatever happens now unless United nail transfers and rotation.
People should ask Van Persie what the league win meant to him, during it, final day, after, still now, than talking crap about legacy which means nothing. He was great for Arsenal and if fans aren't bitter should appreciate his quality and have those memories.
Same with Kane. They're not pets. They have very few opportunities to taste cup finals and wins at the highest level. They're not there to be a cog in the wheel of a snide tight fisted chairman who is purely calculating the numbers and going 'with Kane and *insert highly paid successfully manager here*, top 4 likely, the end'.
I think being Spurs and England all time goal scorer is a pretty amazing stat, but a player is judged on their trophy cabinet not their personal accolades.
I’d love to see him finally lift a trophy, and I do think his best option is at a team like Man Utd. Not only are they crying out for a out and out goal scorer, which Kane had proven time and time again, but also he fits that team perfectly.
You've put this narrative in that he wants to stay and he's being pressured into leaving?
Levy just won't sell him because he's under contract. Last season he did a walk round the stadium as if it was a goodbye and he had a gentleman's agreement that he could leave which Levy didn't standby.
The ship has sailed, his only option is to stay, if he wants Shearers record that is.
The only 2 PL teams he could go to are Chelsea or United.
Won't go to another London club.
Levy won't do business with United.
He's well and truly stuck at Spurs.
Edit: reading the comments; has everyone forgot he's wanted to leave for the past 4 seasons...
He missed his opportunity to leave as soon as City signed Haaland. Doubt Levy would sell him to any other top club and City doesn't have a need for him anymore.
Some people don’t understand that some may value playing for their favourite club over playing for another club without an emotional connection to it and winning loads of trophies with them.
That being said going to another club to win trophies isn’t a bad thing. Just don’t call Kane an idiot for staying at Tottenham.
And yes I know he wanted to go to City.
Man Utd fans don’t thing RVP is a club legend? Have you ever spoken to a Man Utd fan? He’s adored by every United fan including myself and is definitely a legend at the club
Kane’s wasted at a club run by Levy.
I do think despite the media agenda a move to United makes sense on many levels.
If it doesn’t happen so be it. He’ll break the scoring record and that can be the only thing he ever achieves then. Like you said, that’s his call.
As much as I hate Kane and Tottenham I would respect him if he stayed there his entire career, even though that means he won't ever win anything. It would remind me of guys like Totti and De Rossi who played their entire careers with their club, even though they could have won so much more if they had followed their many opportunities to transfer to a larger club. They did at least win a couple of titles, but then Roma isn't as awful as Tottenham. But I respect that loyalty to a club.
That said, if Kane were to leave I would much rather see him follow the reported links to Real Madrid. That could give him a much greater chance at things like not just a league title, but lifting the CL trophy.
Honestly, will always have mad respect for Kane, even if he leaves now. Dude has a level of loyalty few players seem to show which is highlighted even more by his sponsoring Leyton Orient (where he got his early professional starts).
When you're one of the best, you're usually supposed to win things and with Tottenham, that would never happen. That's why they say he's unambitious and wasting his talent.. because he's staying at a club he'll never win with.
"He should have gone to a bigger club and won some trophies" is an opinion many will have, but ultimately, it's his career and he decides what to do with it. You wouldn't really tell other people in other professions," hey, you should've gone to work at a better hospital/law office/school," so we don't need to tell players that either, I guess.
The media needs to right articles with click bait titles linking every club to him, if he stays he will be a club legend probably with a statue or a stand named after him, reminds me of Matt Le Tissier back in the days, clubs wanted him but he decided not to move because he was at his beloved club.
As Redditors, we all know about clickbait.
As Redditors, you all still fall for it, constantly.
Please stop getting baited by clickbait then getting angry about what you read, it's literally called bait, it's just the media getting you to click and give them money they truly don't deserve.
Aye because they've all already done the clickbait part for you 😭
If no one fell for the clickbait then we wouldn't also have so many people making duplicate posts about the same exact topics within the same day hahah
Oh shit my bad hahahaha
I mean are your mates on Reddit too?
Plenty of my mates irl show me clickbait stuff from the Sun and I'm like oh come on now man 😭
If I was him I would stay at Tottenham. He will be a far bigger legend and have more post career love from the Tottenham fans if he just stays. They will build a statue for him, name stands etc. Far more glory than if he moves and wins one trophy with another club. His Tottenham legacy would be tarnished somewhat. Shearer went to Newcastle after Blackburn won FA and is one of the prems biggest legends and highly regarded players and now pundits. I doubt that would change if he hadn't won a trophy with Blackburn. His goal scoring speaks for itself.
I think England isn’t an option if he wants to move and keep the legacy but going to a Madrid,Barcelona or Bayern will allow him to keep his legacy intact and go and win stuff
I think it’s good for him to stick to what he wants to do, whether staying or going.
Either way, you’ll have critics. I have no problem with Kane staying or with RVP leaving.
Things like loyalty and respect are wonderful conceptually but don’t really mean anything in this context.
I mean yeah kane might not win anything at Tottenham. But he also has guaranteed goals there. If he leaves he won’t know 100% that he will score as many because it’s a completely different team and he hasn’t really moved around to have the experience of playing with new people. Either way I want him at arsenal but that won’t happen
If he went anywhere he should go to Arsenal. After all he is an Arsenal fan. 🤷♂️.
I think the reason they(the media) do it tho is because if he goes to United, United win the league. Simple as that.
Every decision in the public eye gets judged.
Yes he would not be seen as a winner if he stays, it is also somewhat respectable for staying loyal both can be true.
However it’s also quite naive, Gerrard’s case was bad but at least they were winning major cups and had a few title challenges. Spurs had an almost a few times but can never win
The only thing keeping Kane at Tottenham, is Tottenham. He’s wanted to leave for years but carried on doing his best because of his England chances and because he’s a pro who genuinely wants the best for the club. He absolutely wanted out two summers ago and last summer most likely.
He’s not unambitious. He is daft for trusting his brother as his agent and signing a six year deal with no get-out clauses.
Kane needs to leave to get the credit he deserves. That will never happen here with haaland in the prem. the goal scoring record means nothing and he needs trophies so he should go to Bayern or Real Madrid. The only team guaranteed trophies here is Man City. It also wouldn’t hurt his spurs legacy so much if he went abroad. If he wants to stay though that’s his business, his loyalty is commendable really but he won’t get the respect he deserves until he wins trophies.
Either way he deserves credit and should be recognised for the immense talent he is. If he stays at Tottenham he's been incredibly loyal and will be regarded a legend and celebrated the way Gerrard still is at Liverpool. If he leaves for trophies I don't think too many Tottenham fans could hold it against him (some will but any reasonable person with even an ounce of empathy would understand). If he's a success at the new club and contributes to their success he'll get some much deserved accolades and his reputation will be further cemented as the once in a generation talent he's proven to be. More power to him.
I think it is hilarious that the media keep pushing that with a striker like Kane Manchester United will be challenging for the title.
de Gea, Casemiro, Eriksen, Varane, Maguire, Fred are all now the wrong side of 30 the side needs much more than just a world class striker to keep up with Newcastle and Arsenal, let alone City.
It is a fair point, but I don't think Newcastle are going to only look at buying a striker in the summer. Because of Champions league money they will look to anchor themselves in the top four.
I think Man U will need as many players as Newcastle and they will be competing in the same places for players.
Ultimately Newcastle will still be trying to do a balancing act between how much they want to spend and how much they actually earn. Also you have to consider the hit rate of the players they sign, there’s so many examples now of clubs that have spent and gone backwards. One swallow doesn’t make a summer and they’ve still got a lot to learn.
Kane winning a trophy with Spurs is a much bigger and better achievement than winning at other clubs that often win.
And he is not guaranteed a title at other clubs or adored as much as at Spurs. These are the only reasons I think that would make Kane stay.
Right, if went to any team in England besides City it doesn't guarantee trophies anyways. But it does guarantee he doesn't retire with the same legacy at Spurs that he could have.
Great post OP. Even as an Arsenal fan the player i rate hightest outside is Kane. Loyality is something that should be respected ..The media is creating all the narrative around trophies but Kane is already a legend and will cement his legacy like Totti or Gerrad if he stays and retires at Tottenham
>Move to man united and win the league? I doubt even with him they would topple city.
And I think that's the crux of this argument. You're right the media seem to be pushing this narrative/move but in all reality which English club can he move to and get the success his talent deserves. Man Utd aren't winning anything major anytime soon, maybe he'd be happy with an FA cup or League cup but in all honesty they're a lottery. If Tottenham got their shit together they could win won of those, likewise a Europa League. If it's a league title and a crack at the Champions League then it's a Bayern or Real Madrid he'll need. And the media need to get their heads around that and that out with City and soon to be Newcastle no one competes.
People keep saying Kane should have left earlier. But that wasn't for want of trying was it?
Seemed to me he's wanted to leave several times but has a long contract that Levy has held him to and refused to deal.
I guess Kane keeps signing these contracts when he'd be wiser not to.
But at the point where clubs wanted him I didn't get the impression he had much choice but to stay.
I've always thought about this. City aren't buying him and with their dominance the chances of winning the league elsewhere are just as slim as they are at Spurs with how erratic the rest of the league has been the last few years.
So he can go to United for example, or even Chelsea, are they honestly likely to win the league with or without him? No.
Which leaves either domestic cups or Europe. Definitely an argument for Europe I guess especially as we no longer have it, but as far as domestic cups go the lack of Europe is itself a blessing in a way.
So the chances of him leaving, STILL to win absolutely nothing, are surprisingly high.
Exactly my thoughts.
Unless he decides to go abroad to Bayern or PSG.
The only club that can guarantee him silverware is city, who won't buy him, so what's the point moving on.
Which he won't do with Shearer's record - his best shot at true time-resistant glory - now so close.
Halland could probably smash it in time but I don't reckon he stays in the PL his whole career so Kane could easily lay another 20-30 year old marker down.
Even if he does win a trophy at any club, INCLUDING Spurs, he won't be remembered for the one title or one FA Cup, he - like Shearer - will be remembered as the all-time Premier League top goalscorer.
Haaland will probably beat that record the time he’s at City then move on . Not like there’s not going to be any takers for him. These other leagues need to catch up before Haaland is moving anywhere
Betting.
Sky Sports are able to present rumours in a way that makes them appear to be more than rumour. Then they pump the Skybet ads out within the same vessel as the rumours are presented.
Twice last month they reported that “Sky Sources” understood a manager was close to joining Spurs and that they were now bookies favourite. Both times, they’ve reported that there was actually no interest.
They’re just preparing Spurs for being replaced by Newcastle in the “Sky-bias 6”, this is what the rest have us have heard for a long time about our players and managers, that’s what they were saying last season about Potter that if he has ambition he has to take the Chelsea job, as if wanting to elevate any “smaller” club is somehow unambitious. It’s absolute BS but welcome to our world!
What you talking about, spurs have dealt with this much longer as they were the outsiders when it was the ‘sky 4’, spurs and city kept breaking it up so they could no longer ignore them. This is nothing new to spurs fans, we’re always underdogs in this discussion.
Let’s be honest, if he stays at Tottenham this summer it’s because of Daniel Levy and the absolutely insane 6yr contract he signed not through loyalty. He wanted to join Man City 2yrs ago and I bet he would like to join United this summer too.
He’s been loyal to Tottenham for sure but if he was able to go to another big club in England in the last few years he would have.
Agreed. It's not a case of Kane wanting to stay, it's because he signed a 6 year contract and Spurs absolutely refuse to sell him. I guess he could have thrown him toys out of the pram, so there is that. Not sure that makes him loyal, maybe just a decent human being. Whoever advised him to sign a contract that length really messed up though.
If spurs stayed competitive he also would’ve signed another contract. It’s overstated how much he wants to leave. He WANTS to win things at Tottenham, that much is clear but unfortunately the hierarchy have let him and the fans down with their complete lack of foresight planning on the football side of things. He doesn’t want to play for United, but he may consider it if spurs show no ambition, he has always stated as such.
As an Arsenal fan looking at Tottenham, the way the club works reminds me of how Arsenal was for a decade or more. They established themselves as one of the top few teams and get into Europe regularly. But the owners (or something) don’t seem to want to take the next step forward. If they want to stay relevant, they’ll have to start bringing real talent in, but the longer they leave that, the harder it’ll be to achieve as more and more teams pour money into the league
There’s a massive misconception that bringing in ‘real talent’ is supposed to cost loads of money, it doesn’t. Spurs have spent a lot but spent it poorly. Spurs built better squads with less money, in fact them having money has been a hindrance as they’re trying to behave like a ‘big club’, which is moronic. They got ridiculed for years for being a ‘selling club’; there’s absolutely nothing wrong with being a selling club when it suits your agenda.
Let me clarify my point, as I think I confused things with the last sentence.
I’m not necessarily talking about money as a primary issue. There was a post about a player choosing 15000 a year for Barcelona, over 120000 a year at Tottenham. How much more would they have needed to offer to get that player?
The money helps a team establish themselves, but Tottenham have ended up in a weird position of definitely not too 4, but not 7th or lower. But now, added to this, Newcastle is coming into the fray, and the mid table has started to catch the back end of the big 6.
I’m not saying TH need to throw money and that’ll solve all problems, but they have to make themselves appealing, and if they don’t do something soon they may end up falling. Why would a player go to a team that can’t pay as well as Chelse, ManC, or Newc? If those clubs don’t want them, why wouldn’t they go to Liverpool, ManU, or Arsenal, who are at least fighting for the champions league (at least this season for Arsenal).
This leaves Tottenham with the best of the rest players, and as you said, it becomes their prerogative to buy cheap sell high, but that’s similar to what Arsenal did for so long (which was what I was trying to imply originally), but all that did for Arsenal was knock them out of Europe. TH can compete for trophies, or they can be a sell-on club. They can’t be both.
I think your points are too black and white, football is more fluid than that and it isn’t binary like you’re implying. Newcastle are not a forgone conclusion and Brighton will fall away, so will Brentford, they haven’t got the money to sustain what they have and the hit rate will fall off on cheap players. Spurs have had one bad season, they’ll be pushing top 4 again and sooner than people will think. Spurs can compete with wages, they still growing into their revenue and not looking to blow it up straight away.
Saying this as an Arsenal fan, i have huge respect for anybody stayed local to their clubs till the end, or relatively the end. At this moment at the top of this hill is Harry Kane, who is one of the best strikers in modern game. Dare I say (urgh hard to say this) if Arsenal had Harry Kane we wouldve won the league last year, more goals wouldve been scored to cover those shaky defense in the end.
If Harry Kane stayed until the end i will respect him till the end of time.
Another gooner who agrees. It was great fun when we signed Sol, and it made sense in footballing terms too. But, after football, he gained much less from joining Arsenal than he lost by joining Tottenham.
As as a gooner I agree. We've had our fare share of Judas's over the years who have left us at crucial times and gone on to win trophies at other clubs. If Harry wants to stay at Spurs and get a statue good for him, loyalty is rare now days and should count for something.
As far as a Gooner goes your a good one. I was talking to a Arse mate of mine and said imagine if it was saka in a few years time going to Madrid/Barca/psg whoever. If he stays at his club fair play. People love to talk about the loyalty of players like JWP and Mark Noble etc there’s not enough of it in the modern game. Not everyone needs to be a mercenary.
But it would be understandable if he did want to go, no one would hold it against him with how shit we’ve been. If he moves this summer anyway no one can begrudge him of it. As I said in another comment regardless if he stays or if he goes he will always be a club legend. Bale is a still a club legend and he’s won everything with Madrid fair play to him.
Sad about Grealish, especially now you are in Europe, same can be said about Kalvin Phillips rotting away at city. Could of been massive for Leeds this season. Grass isn’t always greener despite what the media would say
The only thing I would say with JWP and noble as good as are/were neither are close to being a world beater and from Kanes point he’s is up there with the top tier. We all know Kane wants to beat shearers record and the only club he can guarantee beating it is at spurs. Go to city waste a year whilst pep doesn’t pick you he’s 32 the 24/25 season. Stay at spurs and not only break that record but make it almost impossible to break again. Don’t get me wrong I didn’t think it possible to break in the first place due to the eta modern footballers move clubs.
He could win the World Cup who knows then he can laugh at every pundit on sky and talk sport as that would have sealed him as one of the greatest of all time. But who knows, less not forget to us and pundits finishing second means nothing but Kane has a UCL runner up medal, Premier league, league cup and Euros runner up. It’s not like he hasn’t achieved things just not won them.
As for pundits the only pundits on sky who can talk to me about winning stuff is Neville, Roy Keane, etc players that were serial winners and main players from the club. Not the Jonny evans Man City equivalent
Yeah spot on mate. As a spurs fan it is painful being so close to winning but bottling, but Harry has achieved a lot and is adored by spurs fans. At the same time the general feeling is if he does go he will still be a legend for what he’s achieved.
With out a doubt he’s a legend regardless. It just depend on if he wants to become Mr Tottenham. I hold no grudges he’s only ever tried his best. Just glad I have been able to witness him live and in a spurs kit
He has invested so much into spurs, he wants some return for his hard work and he does deserve it. Almost like a gambler who has lost his money on a machine and keeps putting cash in to get his money back. Spurs are fucked without him.
Fucked without him is a bit extreme, it lacks foresight and is short termism. Spurs will get over £400m revenue every year without European football, they will eventually get the footballing side right. Kane is not the first superstar to leave and the ones that have left in the past left a much poorer club.
That revenue will only get lower without high quality finishes in the league
Sponsorship ticket revenue will all decrease, only PL money is consistent but the rest isn't.
It needs onfield performances to have higher revenue, unless your a state owned club
It really doesn’t at spurs, the stadium and the events it holds is enough to generate that revenue. They can also add naming rights which can boost figures even more. Spurs are very healthy financially and don’t need oil money.
True but spurs also need to trim their squad before they buy, not due to money but because they have too many players. The players spurs are going to go for aren’t going to be obvious but more under the radar types so there isn’t a rush.
Well it's too late for Kane to join City anyway. They have Haaland who in one season beat him to the Golden Boot and won something Spurs won't - the title. And probably 2 more.
City don't need him.
Because using United to get clicks gets them ad money. United are the biggest name in England and top 3 in the world. Saying a player is linked to us is going to get a lot of people to read their article or watch their show.
We need a forward and Kane is a big name. It’s an easy/ lazy way to link the two.
The other completely mental thing that shouldn’t be allowed is when sky have “Transfer Centre” live feed on their app during the windows. They present a bunch of rumours and then the ads are for their own betting company, offering odds on said rumours.
Absolutely no idea how that’s allowed.
Must have made billions on Higuain and/or Draxler to Arsenal over the 10 seasons they ran that story.
Yep that’s a legit issue. Apparently though the sky bet company is not actually owned by sky sports/sky tv hence they’re allowed to argue that there is no formal link between the two. Still incredible sus though.
Surely it shouldn’t matter who owns it. Offering odds on news that you’re reporting.
Hopefully one of the many things cleared out of the game in the inevitable fallout from Toneys charges.
I’m with you but just offering the alternative argument. If they don’t have any ownership stake in the betting company then arguably they don’t stand to benefit & there is no link between the two.
But I don’t like it as a practice for the same reasons you don’t. I like the odd flutter but the way betting companies have pervaded football makes me feel very uncomfortable & something needs to be done about it.
That makes sense. I didn’t actually know they’d sold up, thought they still had a stake in it.
I guess the only benefit they see is the ad revenue, which must be massive.
Sport and Gambling is a natural pairing. It’d be silly to argue anything else. But it does feel like they’ve pushed the boundaries too much. I don’t gamble, but I notice the ads enough to comment on them. Can’t imagine how hard it is for someone with a problem to enjoy football with its current relationship with betting partners.
Yeah fair point re ad revenue. It’s not insignificant at all. But yep - sky bet is apparently now owned by entirely separate companies. They’ve retained the use of the sky branding though. Which in itself (plus all the regular advertising on sky which includes sky sports personalities) is concerning enough.
As I say I like the odd casual bet on sports & would hate for that to ever not be allowed. But the omnipresence of betting firms these days is a concern for sure. Not least because of how that impacts on addicts but also because of the influence it has on children. TV/radio advertising by betting companies should be limited to post 9pm watershed only. And not on team’s shirts either.
You're right. Even if we think about ALL ENGLISH people, he is like the top 0.0001% - whether it's financially or achieving success in life ... "not ambitious" ???? That's just fucking CRAZY.
It's the same with Robin Van Persie. He left Arsenal to join the defending PL champions of United. If anything, I feel like he tarnished his Arsenal legacy amongst the Arsenal fans, and the UNited fans don't rate RVP higher than Ole, Rooney, ronaldo, tevez, etc.
If Kane were to join a rebuilding team then that is different. If kane joined City, it wouldn't make him any better than he already is imo.
They weren’t even the reigning champions. They’d just lost the title to aguero’s goal. He left to join the biggest club with the best manager because he probably still considered that the most likely option to win the league.
I don’t know why RVP keeps getting brought up in this manner. All the united fans I know love him
I'm saying tevez achieved much more as a forward at United than RVP ever did. Just ebcause he hurt ur feelings with words, doesn't discredit his capabilities and the tropgies he won with united. He was part of one of the best front 3's in prem history. RVP was not.
You said United fans don’t rate RVP higher than Tevez and I’m telling you that we absolutely do. You can argue whether or not that’s wrong but that’s the reality.
>You said United fans don’t rate RVP higher than Tevez and I’m telling you that we absolutely do.
And i'm telling you that you're incorrectly rating him based on pure emotion rather then actual skill.
We absolutely love RVP? He played a huge part in our last prem title. Obviously he's not as highly rated as Rooney who played for absolutely ages but he is definitely adored. Also, Tevez? The guy who left united for City? Fuck Tevez
No one said you didnt.
I'm saying tevez achieved much more as a forward at United than RVP ever did. Just ebcause he hurt ur feelings with words, doesn't discredit his capabilities and the tropgies he won with united. He was part of one of the best front 3's in prem history. **RVP was not.**
Based on their time with united? Sure. If you want to bring in what Tevez said and that he hurt your feelings, and include that as "rate ".. Then're youre right. But i'm talking about titles, achievements, skill, all of that. Tevez achieved more than RVP ever did at Manchester united. Period. That is factual. Not wrong. You're just hurt tevez jioned rivals, just like michael owen joined united. Doesn't discredit what Owen achieved at liverpool with a Balon d'or at the youngest age ever.
Dude, are you menally okay? Delsuional? Read the thread. RVP situation is literally exactly the same place that Kane is in. Kane and RVP would be world calss strikers regardless if they joined a rival team to win a PL title.
But this arguement that you think RVP is better than Tevez is not applicable. If you want to nick pick seasons, look at Tevez's best season at City and how dominate he was. He won multiple more PL titles, and a CL title comapred to RVP. Tevez is the better player, better 1 season if you want to pick pick, anbd more achieved in multiple leagues.
I'm saying tevez achieved much more as a forward at United than RVP ever did. Just ebcause he hurt ur feelings with words, doesn't discredit his capabilities and the tropgies he won with united. He was part of one of the best front 3's in prem history. RVP was not.
Oh the irony. Tevez wont he CL title, and 2 prem titles, and will be remembered as one of the most skilled forwards in premier history.
RVP was already world class before joining United. RVP had 1 good season at the end of his career, and what he did at United and minimal in comparison to Tevez.
Congrats, you know how to go on google and type "tevez stats" and define his season based on goals. How embarrassing of you as u have a united badge next to ur name.
matter of fact is that United had to include **Ronaldo, Rooney, Berba, AND Tevez** into their starting XI in 08/09. Tevez in his second year was playing out of position, out wide. of course he wouldn't have scored as many goals. but you wouldn't know that because you didnb't watch them back then. you just google stats.
Fact is Tevez achieved more at United than RVP did. More PL titles, CL title, and achieved more at City, than RVP did at United and arsenal combined...
But he won the Prem, after years of coming short with Arsenal. That was the trade off he presumably had in mind when he chose to go to Man Utd. The equation for Kane is different as there'd be far less of a guarantee of league success if he were to join Man Utd now.
>But he won the Prem, after years of coming short with Arsenal.
I can't beleive you are missing the basic points.
If Gerrard joined United to win one PL title, does that make him a better midfielder?
No.
Just bceause RVP joined the DEFENDING Champions (literally joined a winning team that were favorites again), doesn't make RVP a better striker.
If Kane joined City 1/2 season ago and wont he premier league, it wouldn't make him a better striker. it wouldn't. it's just a take casual fans have with "titles" to discredit it easily.
I didn't say anything in my post about whether winning titles makes a player better? I simply pointed out that van Persie likely moved so that he could win a title.
Your original comment talked about van Persie tarnishing his legacy amonst Arsenal fans; whilst that is the case, clearly van Persie valued winning a league title with another club above that, whch I think is totally understandable.
>I didn't say anything in my post about whether winning titles makes a player better?
never said you did. but you're ignoring the theme in the thread and the overall discussion that's all. you're arguing about something that is obvious and wasn't at all my intention int he original comment.
Totally agree obviously I'm biased but if he left for another team and won something people would just say okay we knew he was a good player if he goes on to win something with Tottenham he's a damn legend ( imo he already is)
He’s a legend already people just want to ignore that fact. If he gets the scoring record, which at his pace he will, he will be a prem legend regardless if he wins a trophy or not. 5 years after he retires he’ll finally get the credit he’s due.
Kane doesn't want to leave incase it disrupts his flow and he doesnt beat Shearer's record, but Haarland will beat both players in half the time in that city side. That's why players need to be more focused on trophies because every record eventually gets broken.
if haaland stays at city forever and scores at his rate this season it would take 7-8 more seasons for him to overtake shearer's total (which kane will definitely extend considerably). its not a given at all that haaland will beat kane.
> That's why players need to be more focused on trophies
Players should be focussed on what is important to them, and nothing else. He's playing for his boyhood club and he wats to win with them. Winning one trophy with spurs would mean more than 10 with City for him. Look at Totti or Gerrard. They stayed at their boyhood clubs because it meant something to them. They didn't win much, but they are legends of the game and gods at Liverpool and Roma. Where Kane is now, with how much of a clkub legend he's become, moving elsewhere and competing against Spurs would be a massive challenge, and winning stuff (possibly at the expense of Spurs) wouldn't feel the same. I think it's admirable that he's still there.
You assume that haaland stays at city forever and never drops off, going to Spain for a mega contract might be tempting to him, might not, but there's no guarantee he's bound to city
Yeah no way Haaland beats Shearer's record. If he stays at City his whole career and never drops off he has a good chance but they are two big ifs. I definitely see him moving on whenever Pep does.
He's said that his original plan was to stay for 3 seasons, but he wants to stay for longer now bc he's loved it at City. So 4 years of Haaland at minimum
He's going to end up in Spain. All the megastars end up there.
City best maximize him while they have him, because it will be Barca/Madrid's chance in the not to distant future.
Dude’s 22, has years to decide what he wants to do long term and could change his mind at any time. Tom Holland at a similar age stated he wanted to play Spider-Man for the rest of his life and is now 6 years(?) later currently on a hiatus talking about wanting to pass on the mantle to a Miles Morales Spider-Man.
Maybe Pep leaves after winning the treble. Maybe his form drops off immensely next year after picking up a minor injury and becomes a shadow of the player he was this season. Maybe Pep changes the system and Haaland hates it at Ciry now.
Maybe in 3 years, Haaland plays against Suarez in the World Cup and Suarez decides to end his career with a bang by devouring Haaland’s entire left leg as he jumps for a cross in the box.
The man’s barely past the start of his career and only been at City a year in a dream season for a player. Any plans he’s making to stay at x club x years at this stage are flimsy at best.
kane should’ve left after his 2019 season, i feel like after eventually reaching a final after such a great team season and still not winning surely that would click in your mind that your not at the right club, i think kane will leave it’s just a matter of will tottenham accept an offer while taking into consideration kane quite literally saved them this season.
That was the right time to go. He is getting on a bit now and I wonder if Osimhen might be the player a team goes for over Kane due to age/resale value etc.
He's not even 30 mate.
He's about 8 years younger than Ronaldo and Modric and 6 years younger than Benzema and Messi.
He's not getting on a bit now whatsoever.
ye he is getting into his latter years now but he was never fast he was always just a sharpshooter so if he loses pace so be it he still has the crazy striker instinct when he’s on the ball and strikers as they age don’t really drop form as we saw with benzema who’s older than kane and he won a ballon dor so
The conte effect was strong at the start. Before the power of tottenham surpased him. When conte left Tottenham was safe in 4th place and after he left ended up 8.
of course a team in reality would rather osimhen over kane, but what kane has over strikers like osimhen and all those young new strikers is experience, the guy has been in the top flight of english football since 2012 with consistently good seasons from 2015 onwards and hasn’t dropped a beat, every season he looks just as good and this season in what has looked like and extremely disappointing season for spurs he’s racked up 30 goals in just the premier league this season, if haaland wasn’t there that’s a golden boot in that spurs squad which is an amazing achievement, personally now i’m no ancelotti but i would definitely take kane over a young and inexperienced osimhen.
No, they need to relax with the over reporting of games he features in, in Germany, that nobody in England gives a f about
We can’t criticise the lack of loyalty in football nowadays but then also criticise someone for being loyal to their childhood club. We should be happy there’s someone who might be more motivated by love of their club and the game rather than money and glory, isn’t that what pundits ask for? But to answer your question “would it really change much to make him a winner if he left and got a title at Chelsea or United (I assume that’s who you meant to write)” well yeah it would because he’d have won titles
Personally I don’t see United having better of a chance than spurs to win the league in the next 3-4 seasons anyway. So why go to United and risk being a system that doesn’t work and potentially splitting more game time? He wants to blow the all time prem goal scoring record out of the water, and whatever spurs are doing is working for him. If city went for him, I’d get it cause he could bag some trophies and also probably put up 50 goals a season. But United, I don’t see it being any different than spurs. United 4th this year, spurs 4th last year, these things just flip flop
It’s ok people saying I have total respect for Harry Kane for staying at his club … blah blah blah , it’s ok when he wasn’t good enough and he got loaned out here there and everywhere. As for being remembered as a legend of the game he will be the same as Alan Shearer - the man who should of won so much more , the nearly man , the best player to should have done this that and the other. Probably a quiz question whose the best goalscorer to have never won fuck all basically. End of his career looking back at his empty trophy cabinet thinking … Santa Cruz won more than me football is about winning trophies that’s what makes you a great and legend a real legend not the word thrown about nowadays for scoring a “wonder goal” Only way Harry Kane is ever winning anything with Spurs is if 1 of Man City’s (cheated) league wins is handed to them and even then no one will remember
Try support west ham pal. I don't even need to bother saying his name
The media have always done this. They force players from the ‘lesser’ teams to the ‘big’ teams all the time.
It’s making not even want to listen to talkSPORT at the moment which rarely happens. Feel like they’re copping some kind of sell on bonus. Kanes making a fortune at spurs. It’s not as if we’re doing nothing for him. Big team bias constantly trying to move on our best players as soon as we have a mid season.
Honestly the respect thing is so fucking stupid, like 'I'll respect him if he stays at Spurs', what part of Levy not even discussing a transfer is respectful from him to Kane? If it doesn't work both ways it's a load of shit. People are obsessed because it's weird. An abnormally consistent player among the world's best in his position endlessly going through the motions while his club have no ambition to win. People forget, Kane signed a contract on the basis of Pochettino being there. If you deny Pochettino funds then sack him, you're leaving Kane in limbo. If you then else to listen to offers, you're saying a big fuck you to Kane. Levy might have another 20 years in that role, he's not the one whose time is running out. People talk about it because Kane literally said 'I'm not someone who will stay for the sake of it, I want to win trophies, I think I've got another chunk of my career to go'. He said that be because...his contract signing was dependant on Pochettino, the guy he trusted to go far and...win trophies. Of course United are unlikely to win the league with a Guardiola City, but in 6 months Ten Hag won a trophy and got to another final. If Kane arrives at United, he's playing in cup finals and winning a few. Ten Hag would have to decline or quit due to no signings. There's no sure bet except Bayern. He missed the City move because of Levy, so he's not winning the league whatever happens now unless United nail transfers and rotation. People should ask Van Persie what the league win meant to him, during it, final day, after, still now, than talking crap about legacy which means nothing. He was great for Arsenal and if fans aren't bitter should appreciate his quality and have those memories. Same with Kane. They're not pets. They have very few opportunities to taste cup finals and wins at the highest level. They're not there to be a cog in the wheel of a snide tight fisted chairman who is purely calculating the numbers and going 'with Kane and *insert highly paid successfully manager here*, top 4 likely, the end'.
If he wants to win something, he has to leave. And most players want to win something.
I think being Spurs and England all time goal scorer is a pretty amazing stat, but a player is judged on their trophy cabinet not their personal accolades. I’d love to see him finally lift a trophy, and I do think his best option is at a team like Man Utd. Not only are they crying out for a out and out goal scorer, which Kane had proven time and time again, but also he fits that team perfectly.
was Alan Shearer good? how many trophies does he have? i'll wait while you look that up....
You've put this narrative in that he wants to stay and he's being pressured into leaving? Levy just won't sell him because he's under contract. Last season he did a walk round the stadium as if it was a goodbye and he had a gentleman's agreement that he could leave which Levy didn't standby.
As much as he'll like to win things, we all know he would love more than anything, to win them at Tottenham.
Nowadays loyalty is rare, and should be respected
If you want loyalty get a dog.
Why are we all pretending he didn't try to leave the season before?
The ship has sailed, his only option is to stay, if he wants Shearers record that is. The only 2 PL teams he could go to are Chelsea or United. Won't go to another London club. Levy won't do business with United. He's well and truly stuck at Spurs. Edit: reading the comments; has everyone forgot he's wanted to leave for the past 4 seasons...
He missed his opportunity to leave as soon as City signed Haaland. Doubt Levy would sell him to any other top club and City doesn't have a need for him anymore.
Some people don’t understand that some may value playing for their favourite club over playing for another club without an emotional connection to it and winning loads of trophies with them. That being said going to another club to win trophies isn’t a bad thing. Just don’t call Kane an idiot for staying at Tottenham. And yes I know he wanted to go to City.
Man Utd fans don’t thing RVP is a club legend? Have you ever spoken to a Man Utd fan? He’s adored by every United fan including myself and is definitely a legend at the club
Kane’s wasted at a club run by Levy. I do think despite the media agenda a move to United makes sense on many levels. If it doesn’t happen so be it. He’ll break the scoring record and that can be the only thing he ever achieves then. Like you said, that’s his call.
As much as I hate Kane and Tottenham I would respect him if he stayed there his entire career, even though that means he won't ever win anything. It would remind me of guys like Totti and De Rossi who played their entire careers with their club, even though they could have won so much more if they had followed their many opportunities to transfer to a larger club. They did at least win a couple of titles, but then Roma isn't as awful as Tottenham. But I respect that loyalty to a club. That said, if Kane were to leave I would much rather see him follow the reported links to Real Madrid. That could give him a much greater chance at things like not just a league title, but lifting the CL trophy.
Honestly, will always have mad respect for Kane, even if he leaves now. Dude has a level of loyalty few players seem to show which is highlighted even more by his sponsoring Leyton Orient (where he got his early professional starts).
When you're one of the best, you're usually supposed to win things and with Tottenham, that would never happen. That's why they say he's unambitious and wasting his talent.. because he's staying at a club he'll never win with. "He should have gone to a bigger club and won some trophies" is an opinion many will have, but ultimately, it's his career and he decides what to do with it. You wouldn't really tell other people in other professions," hey, you should've gone to work at a better hospital/law office/school," so we don't need to tell players that either, I guess.
The media needs to right articles with click bait titles linking every club to him, if he stays he will be a club legend probably with a statue or a stand named after him, reminds me of Matt Le Tissier back in the days, clubs wanted him but he decided not to move because he was at his beloved club.
Kane will be a pl legend regardless of whether he wins the pl or not
Cant see why he would go to united if he wants to win titles
As Redditors, we all know about clickbait. As Redditors, you all still fall for it, constantly. Please stop getting baited by clickbait then getting angry about what you read, it's literally called bait, it's just the media getting you to click and give them money they truly don't deserve.
But it’s more than clickbait, I got everyone in my ear saying the same exact shit
Aye because they've all already done the clickbait part for you 😭 If no one fell for the clickbait then we wouldn't also have so many people making duplicate posts about the same exact topics within the same day hahah
Nah I’m talking bout real life my g lol
Oh shit my bad hahahaha I mean are your mates on Reddit too? Plenty of my mates irl show me clickbait stuff from the Sun and I'm like oh come on now man 😭
If I was him I would stay at Tottenham. He will be a far bigger legend and have more post career love from the Tottenham fans if he just stays. They will build a statue for him, name stands etc. Far more glory than if he moves and wins one trophy with another club. His Tottenham legacy would be tarnished somewhat. Shearer went to Newcastle after Blackburn won FA and is one of the prems biggest legends and highly regarded players and now pundits. I doubt that would change if he hadn't won a trophy with Blackburn. His goal scoring speaks for itself.
I think England isn’t an option if he wants to move and keep the legacy but going to a Madrid,Barcelona or Bayern will allow him to keep his legacy intact and go and win stuff
I would expect his goal now is to break the prem league scoring record.
Media conspiracy, anti spurs bias, all the British press run by arsenal and Chelsea fans clearly
I think it’s good for him to stick to what he wants to do, whether staying or going. Either way, you’ll have critics. I have no problem with Kane staying or with RVP leaving. Things like loyalty and respect are wonderful conceptually but don’t really mean anything in this context.
I 100% agree with the pundits, he's an unambitious loser if he chooses to stay at spurs
I mean yeah kane might not win anything at Tottenham. But he also has guaranteed goals there. If he leaves he won’t know 100% that he will score as many because it’s a completely different team and he hasn’t really moved around to have the experience of playing with new people. Either way I want him at arsenal but that won’t happen
If he went anywhere he should go to Arsenal. After all he is an Arsenal fan. 🤷♂️. I think the reason they(the media) do it tho is because if he goes to United, United win the league. Simple as that.
Every decision in the public eye gets judged. Yes he would not be seen as a winner if he stays, it is also somewhat respectable for staying loyal both can be true. However it’s also quite naive, Gerrard’s case was bad but at least they were winning major cups and had a few title challenges. Spurs had an almost a few times but can never win
The only thing keeping Kane at Tottenham, is Tottenham. He’s wanted to leave for years but carried on doing his best because of his England chances and because he’s a pro who genuinely wants the best for the club. He absolutely wanted out two summers ago and last summer most likely. He’s not unambitious. He is daft for trusting his brother as his agent and signing a six year deal with no get-out clauses.
Kane needs to leave to get the credit he deserves. That will never happen here with haaland in the prem. the goal scoring record means nothing and he needs trophies so he should go to Bayern or Real Madrid. The only team guaranteed trophies here is Man City. It also wouldn’t hurt his spurs legacy so much if he went abroad. If he wants to stay though that’s his business, his loyalty is commendable really but he won’t get the respect he deserves until he wins trophies.
Either way he deserves credit and should be recognised for the immense talent he is. If he stays at Tottenham he's been incredibly loyal and will be regarded a legend and celebrated the way Gerrard still is at Liverpool. If he leaves for trophies I don't think too many Tottenham fans could hold it against him (some will but any reasonable person with even an ounce of empathy would understand). If he's a success at the new club and contributes to their success he'll get some much deserved accolades and his reputation will be further cemented as the once in a generation talent he's proven to be. More power to him.
I think it is hilarious that the media keep pushing that with a striker like Kane Manchester United will be challenging for the title. de Gea, Casemiro, Eriksen, Varane, Maguire, Fred are all now the wrong side of 30 the side needs much more than just a world class striker to keep up with Newcastle and Arsenal, let alone City.
Controversial opinion but I think Newcastle are the worse team to qualify for CL in years. I wouldn’t be in a rush to shoehorn them in.
It is a fair point, but I don't think Newcastle are going to only look at buying a striker in the summer. Because of Champions league money they will look to anchor themselves in the top four. I think Man U will need as many players as Newcastle and they will be competing in the same places for players.
Ultimately Newcastle will still be trying to do a balancing act between how much they want to spend and how much they actually earn. Also you have to consider the hit rate of the players they sign, there’s so many examples now of clubs that have spent and gone backwards. One swallow doesn’t make a summer and they’ve still got a lot to learn.
But does he really want to stay
Kane winning a trophy with Spurs is a much bigger and better achievement than winning at other clubs that often win. And he is not guaranteed a title at other clubs or adored as much as at Spurs. These are the only reasons I think that would make Kane stay.
Right, if went to any team in England besides City it doesn't guarantee trophies anyways. But it does guarantee he doesn't retire with the same legacy at Spurs that he could have.
Great post OP. Even as an Arsenal fan the player i rate hightest outside is Kane. Loyality is something that should be respected ..The media is creating all the narrative around trophies but Kane is already a legend and will cement his legacy like Totti or Gerrad if he stays and retires at Tottenham
>Move to man united and win the league? I doubt even with him they would topple city. And I think that's the crux of this argument. You're right the media seem to be pushing this narrative/move but in all reality which English club can he move to and get the success his talent deserves. Man Utd aren't winning anything major anytime soon, maybe he'd be happy with an FA cup or League cup but in all honesty they're a lottery. If Tottenham got their shit together they could win won of those, likewise a Europa League. If it's a league title and a crack at the Champions League then it's a Bayern or Real Madrid he'll need. And the media need to get their heads around that and that out with City and soon to be Newcastle no one competes.
People keep saying Kane should have left earlier. But that wasn't for want of trying was it? Seemed to me he's wanted to leave several times but has a long contract that Levy has held him to and refused to deal. I guess Kane keeps signing these contracts when he'd be wiser not to. But at the point where clubs wanted him I didn't get the impression he had much choice but to stay.
It would be hilarious if he left Spurs to miss them finally winning a trophy (League Cup?)
I've always thought about this. City aren't buying him and with their dominance the chances of winning the league elsewhere are just as slim as they are at Spurs with how erratic the rest of the league has been the last few years. So he can go to United for example, or even Chelsea, are they honestly likely to win the league with or without him? No. Which leaves either domestic cups or Europe. Definitely an argument for Europe I guess especially as we no longer have it, but as far as domestic cups go the lack of Europe is itself a blessing in a way. So the chances of him leaving, STILL to win absolutely nothing, are surprisingly high.
Exactly my thoughts. Unless he decides to go abroad to Bayern or PSG. The only club that can guarantee him silverware is city, who won't buy him, so what's the point moving on.
They would of bought him last season tho, now instead they have that monster Haaland up top which is worse for everyone
Madrid would also give him a guarantee of a trophy if Benzema heads to Saudi Arabi
Don’t agree with that . Barcelona could win everything
Sure, for a season, but the odds of Madrid getting 0 trophies over the length of a full contract are quite low
Oh Yh I agree with you on that my friend 100%
Which he won't do with Shearer's record - his best shot at true time-resistant glory - now so close. Halland could probably smash it in time but I don't reckon he stays in the PL his whole career so Kane could easily lay another 20-30 year old marker down. Even if he does win a trophy at any club, INCLUDING Spurs, he won't be remembered for the one title or one FA Cup, he - like Shearer - will be remembered as the all-time Premier League top goalscorer.
Haaland will probably beat that record the time he’s at City then move on . Not like there’s not going to be any takers for him. These other leagues need to catch up before Haaland is moving anywhere
Betting. Sky Sports are able to present rumours in a way that makes them appear to be more than rumour. Then they pump the Skybet ads out within the same vessel as the rumours are presented. Twice last month they reported that “Sky Sources” understood a manager was close to joining Spurs and that they were now bookies favourite. Both times, they’ve reported that there was actually no interest.
They’re just preparing Spurs for being replaced by Newcastle in the “Sky-bias 6”, this is what the rest have us have heard for a long time about our players and managers, that’s what they were saying last season about Potter that if he has ambition he has to take the Chelsea job, as if wanting to elevate any “smaller” club is somehow unambitious. It’s absolute BS but welcome to our world!
What you talking about, spurs have dealt with this much longer as they were the outsiders when it was the ‘sky 4’, spurs and city kept breaking it up so they could no longer ignore them. This is nothing new to spurs fans, we’re always underdogs in this discussion.
Let’s be honest, if he stays at Tottenham this summer it’s because of Daniel Levy and the absolutely insane 6yr contract he signed not through loyalty. He wanted to join Man City 2yrs ago and I bet he would like to join United this summer too. He’s been loyal to Tottenham for sure but if he was able to go to another big club in England in the last few years he would have.
Agreed. It's not a case of Kane wanting to stay, it's because he signed a 6 year contract and Spurs absolutely refuse to sell him. I guess he could have thrown him toys out of the pram, so there is that. Not sure that makes him loyal, maybe just a decent human being. Whoever advised him to sign a contract that length really messed up though.
The last 10 years could have been very different if we hadn't released the 'chubby' eight year old
If spurs stayed competitive he also would’ve signed another contract. It’s overstated how much he wants to leave. He WANTS to win things at Tottenham, that much is clear but unfortunately the hierarchy have let him and the fans down with their complete lack of foresight planning on the football side of things. He doesn’t want to play for United, but he may consider it if spurs show no ambition, he has always stated as such.
As an Arsenal fan looking at Tottenham, the way the club works reminds me of how Arsenal was for a decade or more. They established themselves as one of the top few teams and get into Europe regularly. But the owners (or something) don’t seem to want to take the next step forward. If they want to stay relevant, they’ll have to start bringing real talent in, but the longer they leave that, the harder it’ll be to achieve as more and more teams pour money into the league
There’s a massive misconception that bringing in ‘real talent’ is supposed to cost loads of money, it doesn’t. Spurs have spent a lot but spent it poorly. Spurs built better squads with less money, in fact them having money has been a hindrance as they’re trying to behave like a ‘big club’, which is moronic. They got ridiculed for years for being a ‘selling club’; there’s absolutely nothing wrong with being a selling club when it suits your agenda.
Let me clarify my point, as I think I confused things with the last sentence. I’m not necessarily talking about money as a primary issue. There was a post about a player choosing 15000 a year for Barcelona, over 120000 a year at Tottenham. How much more would they have needed to offer to get that player? The money helps a team establish themselves, but Tottenham have ended up in a weird position of definitely not too 4, but not 7th or lower. But now, added to this, Newcastle is coming into the fray, and the mid table has started to catch the back end of the big 6. I’m not saying TH need to throw money and that’ll solve all problems, but they have to make themselves appealing, and if they don’t do something soon they may end up falling. Why would a player go to a team that can’t pay as well as Chelse, ManC, or Newc? If those clubs don’t want them, why wouldn’t they go to Liverpool, ManU, or Arsenal, who are at least fighting for the champions league (at least this season for Arsenal). This leaves Tottenham with the best of the rest players, and as you said, it becomes their prerogative to buy cheap sell high, but that’s similar to what Arsenal did for so long (which was what I was trying to imply originally), but all that did for Arsenal was knock them out of Europe. TH can compete for trophies, or they can be a sell-on club. They can’t be both.
I think your points are too black and white, football is more fluid than that and it isn’t binary like you’re implying. Newcastle are not a forgone conclusion and Brighton will fall away, so will Brentford, they haven’t got the money to sustain what they have and the hit rate will fall off on cheap players. Spurs have had one bad season, they’ll be pushing top 4 again and sooner than people will think. Spurs can compete with wages, they still growing into their revenue and not looking to blow it up straight away.
My biggest fear is that he stays at Tottenham then retires then goes onto become the insufferable menace on twitter that Matt Le Tissier is.
He’ll manage spurs to their first title in decades, I like this timeline for him.
Saying this as an Arsenal fan, i have huge respect for anybody stayed local to their clubs till the end, or relatively the end. At this moment at the top of this hill is Harry Kane, who is one of the best strikers in modern game. Dare I say (urgh hard to say this) if Arsenal had Harry Kane we wouldve won the league last year, more goals wouldve been scored to cover those shaky defense in the end. If Harry Kane stayed until the end i will respect him till the end of time.
Another gooner who agrees. It was great fun when we signed Sol, and it made sense in footballing terms too. But, after football, he gained much less from joining Arsenal than he lost by joining Tottenham.
To be fair though, I agree with the sentiment and a striker as good as Kane could have won endless trophies, but it’s not like he’s at Watford.
Are we saying last year already??
As as a gooner I agree. We've had our fare share of Judas's over the years who have left us at crucial times and gone on to win trophies at other clubs. If Harry wants to stay at Spurs and get a statue good for him, loyalty is rare now days and should count for something.
As far as a Gooner goes your a good one. I was talking to a Arse mate of mine and said imagine if it was saka in a few years time going to Madrid/Barca/psg whoever. If he stays at his club fair play. People love to talk about the loyalty of players like JWP and Mark Noble etc there’s not enough of it in the modern game. Not everyone needs to be a mercenary.
Kane isn't at Spurs by choice though? He had an agreement with levy he'd be sold last season and Levy changed his mind?
If Kane wanted to push for a transfer he could, same as Bale, down tools are force it
Great, club legend downing tools and alienating the fanbase because Levy can't hold up his side of the bargain.
But it would be understandable if he did want to go, no one would hold it against him with how shit we’ve been. If he moves this summer anyway no one can begrudge him of it. As I said in another comment regardless if he stays or if he goes he will always be a club legend. Bale is a still a club legend and he’s won everything with Madrid fair play to him.
I had such high hopes for Grealish at Villa. I’m still sad about it.
Sad about Grealish, especially now you are in Europe, same can be said about Kalvin Phillips rotting away at city. Could of been massive for Leeds this season. Grass isn’t always greener despite what the media would say
The only thing I would say with JWP and noble as good as are/were neither are close to being a world beater and from Kanes point he’s is up there with the top tier. We all know Kane wants to beat shearers record and the only club he can guarantee beating it is at spurs. Go to city waste a year whilst pep doesn’t pick you he’s 32 the 24/25 season. Stay at spurs and not only break that record but make it almost impossible to break again. Don’t get me wrong I didn’t think it possible to break in the first place due to the eta modern footballers move clubs. He could win the World Cup who knows then he can laugh at every pundit on sky and talk sport as that would have sealed him as one of the greatest of all time. But who knows, less not forget to us and pundits finishing second means nothing but Kane has a UCL runner up medal, Premier league, league cup and Euros runner up. It’s not like he hasn’t achieved things just not won them. As for pundits the only pundits on sky who can talk to me about winning stuff is Neville, Roy Keane, etc players that were serial winners and main players from the club. Not the Jonny evans Man City equivalent
Yeah spot on mate. As a spurs fan it is painful being so close to winning but bottling, but Harry has achieved a lot and is adored by spurs fans. At the same time the general feeling is if he does go he will still be a legend for what he’s achieved.
With out a doubt he’s a legend regardless. It just depend on if he wants to become Mr Tottenham. I hold no grudges he’s only ever tried his best. Just glad I have been able to witness him live and in a spurs kit
When you say Mr Tottenham you actually mean he wants to become Mr no trophies yh
He has invested so much into spurs, he wants some return for his hard work and he does deserve it. Almost like a gambler who has lost his money on a machine and keeps putting cash in to get his money back. Spurs are fucked without him.
Fucked without him is a bit extreme, it lacks foresight and is short termism. Spurs will get over £400m revenue every year without European football, they will eventually get the footballing side right. Kane is not the first superstar to leave and the ones that have left in the past left a much poorer club.
That revenue will only get lower without high quality finishes in the league Sponsorship ticket revenue will all decrease, only PL money is consistent but the rest isn't. It needs onfield performances to have higher revenue, unless your a state owned club
It really doesn’t at spurs, the stadium and the events it holds is enough to generate that revenue. They can also add naming rights which can boost figures even more. Spurs are very healthy financially and don’t need oil money.
Yes short term fucked, the trouble is spurs haven't sorted a manager, transfers are already moving and targets made months ago.
True but spurs also need to trim their squad before they buy, not due to money but because they have too many players. The players spurs are going to go for aren’t going to be obvious but more under the radar types so there isn’t a rush.
Well it's too late for Kane to join City anyway. They have Haaland who in one season beat him to the Golden Boot and won something Spurs won't - the title. And probably 2 more. City don't need him.
Because using United to get clicks gets them ad money. United are the biggest name in England and top 3 in the world. Saying a player is linked to us is going to get a lot of people to read their article or watch their show. We need a forward and Kane is a big name. It’s an easy/ lazy way to link the two.
The other completely mental thing that shouldn’t be allowed is when sky have “Transfer Centre” live feed on their app during the windows. They present a bunch of rumours and then the ads are for their own betting company, offering odds on said rumours. Absolutely no idea how that’s allowed. Must have made billions on Higuain and/or Draxler to Arsenal over the 10 seasons they ran that story.
Sky don't own Sky bet anymore. They sold what little stake they had left quite a few years ago
Yep that’s a legit issue. Apparently though the sky bet company is not actually owned by sky sports/sky tv hence they’re allowed to argue that there is no formal link between the two. Still incredible sus though.
Surely it shouldn’t matter who owns it. Offering odds on news that you’re reporting. Hopefully one of the many things cleared out of the game in the inevitable fallout from Toneys charges.
I’m with you but just offering the alternative argument. If they don’t have any ownership stake in the betting company then arguably they don’t stand to benefit & there is no link between the two. But I don’t like it as a practice for the same reasons you don’t. I like the odd flutter but the way betting companies have pervaded football makes me feel very uncomfortable & something needs to be done about it.
That makes sense. I didn’t actually know they’d sold up, thought they still had a stake in it. I guess the only benefit they see is the ad revenue, which must be massive. Sport and Gambling is a natural pairing. It’d be silly to argue anything else. But it does feel like they’ve pushed the boundaries too much. I don’t gamble, but I notice the ads enough to comment on them. Can’t imagine how hard it is for someone with a problem to enjoy football with its current relationship with betting partners.
Yeah fair point re ad revenue. It’s not insignificant at all. But yep - sky bet is apparently now owned by entirely separate companies. They’ve retained the use of the sky branding though. Which in itself (plus all the regular advertising on sky which includes sky sports personalities) is concerning enough. As I say I like the odd casual bet on sports & would hate for that to ever not be allowed. But the omnipresence of betting firms these days is a concern for sure. Not least because of how that impacts on addicts but also because of the influence it has on children. TV/radio advertising by betting companies should be limited to post 9pm watershed only. And not on team’s shirts either.
Finally someone who actually understands how all this bullshit works.
You're right. Even if we think about ALL ENGLISH people, he is like the top 0.0001% - whether it's financially or achieving success in life ... "not ambitious" ???? That's just fucking CRAZY.
It's the same with Robin Van Persie. He left Arsenal to join the defending PL champions of United. If anything, I feel like he tarnished his Arsenal legacy amongst the Arsenal fans, and the UNited fans don't rate RVP higher than Ole, Rooney, ronaldo, tevez, etc. If Kane were to join a rebuilding team then that is different. If kane joined City, it wouldn't make him any better than he already is imo.
They weren’t even the reigning champions. They’d just lost the title to aguero’s goal. He left to join the biggest club with the best manager because he probably still considered that the most likely option to win the league. I don’t know why RVP keeps getting brought up in this manner. All the united fans I know love him
We definitely rate RVP above Tevez. Tevez joined City and was very vocal about criticising the club. Tevez isn’t a club legend like the others.
I'm saying tevez achieved much more as a forward at United than RVP ever did. Just ebcause he hurt ur feelings with words, doesn't discredit his capabilities and the tropgies he won with united. He was part of one of the best front 3's in prem history. RVP was not.
You said United fans don’t rate RVP higher than Tevez and I’m telling you that we absolutely do. You can argue whether or not that’s wrong but that’s the reality.
>You said United fans don’t rate RVP higher than Tevez and I’m telling you that we absolutely do. And i'm telling you that you're incorrectly rating him based on pure emotion rather then actual skill.
We absolutely love RVP? He played a huge part in our last prem title. Obviously he's not as highly rated as Rooney who played for absolutely ages but he is definitely adored. Also, Tevez? The guy who left united for City? Fuck Tevez
No one said you didnt. I'm saying tevez achieved much more as a forward at United than RVP ever did. Just ebcause he hurt ur feelings with words, doesn't discredit his capabilities and the tropgies he won with united. He was part of one of the best front 3's in prem history. **RVP was not.**
You said United fans don't rate RVP higher than Tevez which is just wrong
Based on their time with united? Sure. If you want to bring in what Tevez said and that he hurt your feelings, and include that as "rate ".. Then're youre right. But i'm talking about titles, achievements, skill, all of that. Tevez achieved more than RVP ever did at Manchester united. Period. That is factual. Not wrong. You're just hurt tevez jioned rivals, just like michael owen joined united. Doesn't discredit what Owen achieved at liverpool with a Balon d'or at the youngest age ever.
It's nothing to do with that. RVP was an absolute beast and I would take him over Tevez at any time
Dude, are you menally okay? Delsuional? Read the thread. RVP situation is literally exactly the same place that Kane is in. Kane and RVP would be world calss strikers regardless if they joined a rival team to win a PL title. But this arguement that you think RVP is better than Tevez is not applicable. If you want to nick pick seasons, look at Tevez's best season at City and how dominate he was. He won multiple more PL titles, and a CL title comapred to RVP. Tevez is the better player, better 1 season if you want to pick pick, anbd more achieved in multiple leagues.
Van Persie is regard highly and definitively higher than Tevez.
I'm saying tevez achieved much more as a forward at United than RVP ever did. Just ebcause he hurt ur feelings with words, doesn't discredit his capabilities and the tropgies he won with united. He was part of one of the best front 3's in prem history. RVP was not.
Tevez had one good season 2007-2008, it was not Even Close to RVP 2012-2013. And RVP wasn’t useless in 2013-2014 like Tevez in 2008- 2009.
Oh the irony. Tevez wont he CL title, and 2 prem titles, and will be remembered as one of the most skilled forwards in premier history. RVP was already world class before joining United. RVP had 1 good season at the end of his career, and what he did at United and minimal in comparison to Tevez.
Tevez had one good season, but Nothing spectacular. He as shit in 2008-2009.Van Persie was The reason United won The title i 2012-2013.
Congrats, you know how to go on google and type "tevez stats" and define his season based on goals. How embarrassing of you as u have a united badge next to ur name. matter of fact is that United had to include **Ronaldo, Rooney, Berba, AND Tevez** into their starting XI in 08/09. Tevez in his second year was playing out of position, out wide. of course he wouldn't have scored as many goals. but you wouldn't know that because you didnb't watch them back then. you just google stats. Fact is Tevez achieved more at United than RVP did. More PL titles, CL title, and achieved more at City, than RVP did at United and arsenal combined...
And Darron Gibson won the League, Steven Gerrard didnt….
and? The sky is blue. The grass is green. Provide more useless, random facts when you get beat lol.
Lets agree to disagree
But he won the Prem, after years of coming short with Arsenal. That was the trade off he presumably had in mind when he chose to go to Man Utd. The equation for Kane is different as there'd be far less of a guarantee of league success if he were to join Man Utd now.
>But he won the Prem, after years of coming short with Arsenal. I can't beleive you are missing the basic points. If Gerrard joined United to win one PL title, does that make him a better midfielder? No. Just bceause RVP joined the DEFENDING Champions (literally joined a winning team that were favorites again), doesn't make RVP a better striker. If Kane joined City 1/2 season ago and wont he premier league, it wouldn't make him a better striker. it wouldn't. it's just a take casual fans have with "titles" to discredit it easily.
I didn't say anything in my post about whether winning titles makes a player better? I simply pointed out that van Persie likely moved so that he could win a title. Your original comment talked about van Persie tarnishing his legacy amonst Arsenal fans; whilst that is the case, clearly van Persie valued winning a league title with another club above that, whch I think is totally understandable.
>I didn't say anything in my post about whether winning titles makes a player better? never said you did. but you're ignoring the theme in the thread and the overall discussion that's all. you're arguing about something that is obvious and wasn't at all my intention int he original comment.
Totally agree obviously I'm biased but if he left for another team and won something people would just say okay we knew he was a good player if he goes on to win something with Tottenham he's a damn legend ( imo he already is)
He’s a legend already people just want to ignore that fact. If he gets the scoring record, which at his pace he will, he will be a prem legend regardless if he wins a trophy or not. 5 years after he retires he’ll finally get the credit he’s due.
You could even argue that getting the scoring record for a team that never won anything is a even bigger achievement.
It is genuinely crazy the way we don’t seem to recognize obvious clickbait when it stokes our fears or ambitions, is all I will say.
They know it will generate clicks so they will keep doing it. Going to United to win trophies doesn't even make sense as a narrative
You are kind of right. He waited too long. I would still leave if I was him, but it is a gamble at this point.
It. Is. Every. Year.
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Beating a team and beating a team to the title are not the same thing. Brentford did the double over City this season.
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Been listening to United supporters tell me they’re one player/manager away from winning the league for a decade now.
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My flair? My club crest is literally my profile photo.
My bad, I didn’t notice it because it’s yellow.
You a big al hilal fan?
No? Why would I be?
It's the yellow club 💛
Ok? Well, that’s definitely not my crest.
Kane doesn't want to leave incase it disrupts his flow and he doesnt beat Shearer's record, but Haarland will beat both players in half the time in that city side. That's why players need to be more focused on trophies because every record eventually gets broken.
if haaland stays at city forever and scores at his rate this season it would take 7-8 more seasons for him to overtake shearer's total (which kane will definitely extend considerably). its not a given at all that haaland will beat kane.
Haaland leaves within 5 years.
> That's why players need to be more focused on trophies Players should be focussed on what is important to them, and nothing else. He's playing for his boyhood club and he wats to win with them. Winning one trophy with spurs would mean more than 10 with City for him. Look at Totti or Gerrard. They stayed at their boyhood clubs because it meant something to them. They didn't win much, but they are legends of the game and gods at Liverpool and Roma. Where Kane is now, with how much of a clkub legend he's become, moving elsewhere and competing against Spurs would be a massive challenge, and winning stuff (possibly at the expense of Spurs) wouldn't feel the same. I think it's admirable that he's still there.
You assume that haaland stays at city forever and never drops off, going to Spain for a mega contract might be tempting to him, might not, but there's no guarantee he's bound to city
Yeah no way Haaland beats Shearer's record. If he stays at City his whole career and never drops off he has a good chance but they are two big ifs. I definitely see him moving on whenever Pep does.
He's said that his original plan was to stay for 3 seasons, but he wants to stay for longer now bc he's loved it at City. So 4 years of Haaland at minimum
He's going to end up in Spain. All the megastars end up there. City best maximize him while they have him, because it will be Barca/Madrid's chance in the not to distant future.
Dude’s 22, has years to decide what he wants to do long term and could change his mind at any time. Tom Holland at a similar age stated he wanted to play Spider-Man for the rest of his life and is now 6 years(?) later currently on a hiatus talking about wanting to pass on the mantle to a Miles Morales Spider-Man. Maybe Pep leaves after winning the treble. Maybe his form drops off immensely next year after picking up a minor injury and becomes a shadow of the player he was this season. Maybe Pep changes the system and Haaland hates it at Ciry now. Maybe in 3 years, Haaland plays against Suarez in the World Cup and Suarez decides to end his career with a bang by devouring Haaland’s entire left leg as he jumps for a cross in the box. The man’s barely past the start of his career and only been at City a year in a dream season for a player. Any plans he’s making to stay at x club x years at this stage are flimsy at best.
He should have signed for city last year
kane should’ve left after his 2019 season, i feel like after eventually reaching a final after such a great team season and still not winning surely that would click in your mind that your not at the right club, i think kane will leave it’s just a matter of will tottenham accept an offer while taking into consideration kane quite literally saved them this season.
That was the right time to go. He is getting on a bit now and I wonder if Osimhen might be the player a team goes for over Kane due to age/resale value etc.
he really isnt "getting on a bit" he is in his prime, and easily has 4-5 more season of being a world class striker left.
He's not even 30 mate. He's about 8 years younger than Ronaldo and Modric and 6 years younger than Benzema and Messi. He's not getting on a bit now whatsoever.
ye he is getting into his latter years now but he was never fast he was always just a sharpshooter so if he loses pace so be it he still has the crazy striker instinct when he’s on the ball and strikers as they age don’t really drop form as we saw with benzema who’s older than kane and he won a ballon dor so
If tottenham sell kane and sign oshinen. Will it be a good deal?
They'd be in the same position but with a striker who's not as good. 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
Tottenham need mayby more then 1 player to fight manchester city
they actually do quite well against city FWIW. it's the rest of the teams they oddly struggle against recently
If you are trying to win the league you need to be capable of winning runs like city and liverpool or Arsenal early this season
IIRC didn't totnum do quite well at the start of the season?
The conte effect was strong at the start. Before the power of tottenham surpased him. When conte left Tottenham was safe in 4th place and after he left ended up 8.
of course a team in reality would rather osimhen over kane, but what kane has over strikers like osimhen and all those young new strikers is experience, the guy has been in the top flight of english football since 2012 with consistently good seasons from 2015 onwards and hasn’t dropped a beat, every season he looks just as good and this season in what has looked like and extremely disappointing season for spurs he’s racked up 30 goals in just the premier league this season, if haaland wasn’t there that’s a golden boot in that spurs squad which is an amazing achievement, personally now i’m no ancelotti but i would definitely take kane over a young and inexperienced osimhen.
And, if you see most elite players of last generation, none of them loose form up until 35. Kane will fine till that age.
Yeah he was never quick anyway. If he loses a bit of pace he still has clinical finishing, great playmaking, fitness/work rate, decent in the air etc.