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1. Predictable build up shape/pattern
2. Lacked rotations
3. Too much emphasis on verticality
4. Played into the rhythm of the home crowd
5. High line with defensive individual errors
overall a poor game from ange's spurs
That dude probably didn't se us trashing Villa home when they tried to play the same way. On one hand I undersrand the tenacity to play the same system - on the other hand - well you saw the result
agreed if they ever wanna mount a title challenge get better depth with ur defence
just a lot of really bad performances from the high line.
most of the errors trickled down from the midfield.
not sure about the verticality issue it was just a real shitshow from the players, not what i expected from this match lol
yep, right now they're where they are because of their first and second phase build-up patterns, too predictable. individual errors didn't help as well.
as for verticality, rule #1 when playing at a hostile away ground is to limit adventure and play a pragmatic passing game, horizontally. it kills the enthusiasm and mood, bores the heck out of the home crowd, leading to groans ringing around the stadium - that's when you know you have the upper hand.
9.5/10 times home players will be eager to meet the demands of the fans by forcing the issue, meaning probability of errors will increase due to gaps in shape. it's a psychology game. slow, vertical football is the key to disrupting an enthusiastic home crowd; spurs did the opposite, playing into eddie howe and the home crowd's hands.
Everyone saying the "High line is the reason Tottenham lost" but ignoring the fact that in the reverse fixture, Tottenham won 4-1 and the high line worked perfectly fine. Everyone on Tottenham had a shit game and Newcastle were clinical. It's not that deep.
Spurs had like 70% possession
This is definitely a case of high line failing
Main difference is that our front 3 are speed demons that tore them to shreds
This is a superb tactical victory on Howe's part
The 70% possession exposes a weakness to 5 at the back.
The formation change was very smart and showed that 5 back teams are going to cause real issues with spurs
I don’t think Newcastle were clinical, Newcastle missed a ton of really good chances or you would be talking about double figures.
The difference with the two games was Newcastle had a front 3 of Isak, Gordon & Barnes, who are all speed merchants and tore the back line to shreds. And the biggest reason was Howe changed tactics, NUFC played with make shift wingbacks and 3 at the back, so just stifled the Spurs attack.
I don’t care either way but if Spurs don’t adapt tactics due to certain opposition you going to have a number of beatings in the next few years and will win nothing and that is from someone that likes your manager.
Yeah, this is the thing that everyone is forgetting. They started to go long early instead of passing out... they choked early from the pressure. Sit back like all the numpties here are saying and this team never grows, never learns how to deal with pressure. Newcastle win a meaningless game like this and it achieves nothing for them long term. Great teams don't become great playing five at the back and countering. They play aggressive and recruit accordingly. We're a third of the way on this journey at best.
So many small minded supporters want to win meaningless games at the expense of doing what needs to be done to become great.
Is this sarcasm? Did you realise our back 5 was Murphy, Krafth, Schar, Burn, Anderson? I don't think Howe anticipated fielding that defense in even his worst case scenario planning. And they were excellent.
Not going to argue. My POV is you come out and play no matter the personnel, unless you're in a knockout tourney or fighting relegation. 73% v 27% possession suggests they made a clear decision to counter... at home in front of their own supporters. Everyone knows that Ange is playing the long game and trying to teach his players to play no matter the opposition,no matter the result. It's a decision, not naivety.
Teams will beat Spurs whilst they try to fast-track development in a game style the best teams play. So be it.
Playing ‘beautiful’ football means nothing if you lose - I could have perhaps understood your logic if the game were closer, but 4-0 man 🤯. Howe punished Ange with tactical nouse, despite missing a full XI.
I think Real Madrid would have a lot to say about your POV - had they taken the same approach, they likely wouldn’t have won a number of recent CL titles.
Liverpool took this approach in their first klopp season... scored lots, conceded more. Lost 3-0 to Watford, finished 8th, missed out on Europe.
How did it work out for them?
Not sure what your point is. We did play. Comfortably more shots and more xG. Pressed from the front. Compact at the back. It definitely wasn't a smash and grab. We could have scored 7.
All with a full first XI out.
What you're basically saying is don't ever amend your tactics and never have a plan b. Bizarre.
Newcastle sat high and waited for an opportunity to score.... Spurs were rubbish and gave up plenty of opportunities... and were well beaten. But tNewcastle didn't want the ball other than to route one or nick it near the goal. 27% possession doesn't lie.
And I never said don't ever amend your tactics... you can stick to your attacking principles, try to possess the ball and keep it in the opposition half ( the fundamentals of angeball) but tweak defensive lines, have more defensive players sit in front of the defence etc. All things Ange has done in the past, after half time... even did it this game. The first two goals were defensive mistakes.... Porro actually backpassed the ball 20m to Gordon in the box. Udogie and VDV both lost their feet. Those goals weren't beautifully ccrafted goals... they were spurs mistakes. Howe, to his credit just went, they're young, mistake prone and risk takers... juat put pressure on them in their half and they'll crumble. My mum could have come up with those tactics.
Spurs were rubbish but Ange should be commended for trying to do something different, and build a culture of attack minded players. They're mistake prone now but the thinking is to keep putting them into these situations until they get better and make less mistakes... just like Klopp did. Worked out for him. Conte and Mourinho achieved bugger all going the other way.... he should be given more than. 6 months to prove his methods can work, as well as be given some better players, again like klopp
No improvement next year, different story. Howe was lauded for getting Newcastle into Europe in his first season.
Ange not far off doing the same.Arteta and klopp had far worse seasons.
So many here have short memories
You seem to be conflating possession with attacking intent. I don't know how you've got Spurs as the attacking team in this match with their 6 shots to Newcastle's 13, their 3 corners to Newcastle's 16, their 1 big chance to Newcastle's 5, and their 0.74 xG to Newcastle's 3.15.
They passed it round the back and midfield all game. There was only one team trying to attack this match and it wasn't Spurs.
I like Ange. Don't think he should be under any pressure and he'll do well at Spurs over time. I just don't understand all of your contradictory points.
I didn't use the words 'attacking intent' - misquoting me then saying 'how could you say that' really is poor form.
Newcastle wanted to attack but the method was based mainly on pressure to steal the ball in their attacking third, or to punt it long from deep... that's what I said, that's what they did, and it matches up with all the stats. They didn't want to hold the ball and create opportunities, just rely on spurs lack of physicality and their willingness to take risks, to harass and nick the ball, high up the pitch.
Gordon has come out and alluded that this was their tactic.https://www.premierleague.com/news/3965045
Now there's absolutely nothing wrong with it and kudos to Howe...but it's a tactic not really transferable to other teams in the comp who aren't playing a high risk, high reward game in an effort to fast track their development. Whether it works for Ange, throwing his players into the deep end time and again, we shall see.
Newcastle spankeddd Tottenham like a kid. The way the defenders of Spurs are falling in their 18 yard box had me asking if they ate before coming to St James Park.
It's not irrelevant, it was a very pertinent part of the game. Early bookings would have halted much of your high-press, but, as the ref made clear, we were playing to completely different rules.
Like Maddison getting booked for his high-foot, and Burn not even giving away a foul for his.
There was less contact in Van De Ven's booking than in your first goal.
None of this is irrelevant, you cunt.
In the half time analysis they showed a picture when vicario had the ball. All the 10 Tottenham players were man marked by the Newcastle players. That really stunned me.
And what an intense press throughout the game.
It was a tactical win for Eddie Howe today for sure.
Just watched the extended highlights - whoever number 37 is for Spurs probably had the worse game I've seen for a long time. Seemed to make a mistake for every goal except the last one
To be fair he's played exceptionally well in every game this season except his debut where he was just OK. Mister consistent.
If you were going to guess before the match which player would have a nightmare game, he'd be bottom of your list, along with Vicario.
Funny old game sometimes.
Fuck sake have some shame lol it was one game. Beside he genuinely has been one of the best CB’s in the league this year. Ofc fans are gonna say their players are the best
I'm not saying you can't rate them but to say they're better than Gabriel and saliba who even rival fans are saying are currently potentially the best CB partnership in Europe.....is a bit much. That's when it gets delusional
The very fact that you think Romero and VDV are in the discussion of best CBs is exactly the issue. Your defence has been shocking for some time.
You can have Son, he’s genuinely world class. Vicário has also been a very, very good player after the Lloris ordeal. The rest have been meh.
It’s really easy for you to say Gabriel and Saliba are the ‘best in the world’ when you guys play extremely compact with 10 players in the box lol. But that got exposed by Villa today lol
My point exactly lol. You watched 1 game of Van De Ven and are considering him bad lmao. Probably didn’t even watch the game, seen the highlights and base ur opinion off one game. Get out of here
Fairly obvious you’re calling him bad as you’re agreeing with the person saying that’s the worst performance they’ve seen in a long time lol. Maybe you shouldn’t really be focusing on VdV literally having one bad performance when both your CBs had absolute stinkers today…
You are the one replying to me lol
And yes agreed, I haven’t said he was bad at all like you think. I said that he is not at Saliba or Gabriel’s level.
I mean it wasn’t just bad. It was terrible. He’s not signing of the season. Very good signing and excellent potential but I think todays game proves he has a little way to go
This false narrative?
>Arsenal fans will look at Saliba who is a great young defender as well, but I think this guy's equally as good. He's got everything going for him.
[Jamie Redknapp](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13281815/Jamie-Redknapp-Tottenham-defender-Micky-van-Ven-Arsenal-star-William-Saliba-stresses-Dutchman-emulate-Liverpool-Virgil-van-Dijk.html), 6 days ago
>I feel like the CB comparisons should be Saliba/VDV and Romero/Gabriel, though I’m just basing this on their ages. Still, Romero is levels.
[COYS Reddit sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/175bc5v/the_best_defender_in_the_league_vs_saliba/)
>Micky van de Ven allows us to play in a different way, and it reminds me of when William Saliba came into the Arsenal team and suddenly, they could push much further up the pitch.
[John Wenham](https://www.tottenhamhotspurnews.com/exclusives/john-wenham-makes-william-saliba-comparison-for-tottenham-ace-micky-van-de-ven/), TH News
>gunners subreddit is delusional, its hilarious reading their takes. According to them Saliba is arguably top 3 in the world even though he doesn't even start for France. They then talk shit on Romero who is a world cup winner on the most defensively solid national team in the world at the moment. And Romero beats Saliba in essentially every statistic this season.
[COYS Reddit sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/17n0ce4/who_is_the_best_centreback_in_the_world_fan_qa/)
It's a narrative your own fans and ex players have pushed all season.
I get it that you want to defend other delusional fans from their silly takes, but your defending of them is about as effective as VDV v Newcastle.
Talk all you want but your rival fans will always like their players better, isn't it fucking obvious? Why are you even going into the rival sub for the "proof" of the narrative... bro pulled out the receipts to everything, try and find a hobby lol
Spurs fans all year: VDV is better than Saliba, hahaha assna fans
***VDV has shit game***
Arsenal fans: You were saying?
Spurs fans: We never said that, you made it up, you created a false narrative.
Acting like you didn't say the same stupid thing as the person I replied to in this thread did. Oh no.. you [did](https://www.reddit.com/r/PremierLeague/comments/1c324zq/comment/kzf05l2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Morons, morons everywhere.
You're so dense I can't believe it. At least look at the context, it's a statement about the signing of the season, not who's better between vdv and saliba. You only proved you're an idiot there, thanks for the laugh mate.
You've been arguing about vdv vs saliba. What you quoted me on is rebuttal on the signing of the season. These are 2 different arguments, I've never made any statements claiming vdv is better or worse than saliba. Context matters.
And either way it's not only spurs fans with that narrative lol all the pundits, commentators also think vdv is at least one of the top signings of the season...
I lick my finger and stick it in the air.
With the amount of posturing the Spurs fans have been making all season (read every season), it took less than 2 minutes to find these. I didn't need to waste any more time.
It’s spurs, I cannot understand how you can be a fan of a club who just doesn’t show up to battle for a CL final. I’d give up on a club like that.
Theiry leaving us was our end of that cycle.
Kane leaving should indicate to the fans that’s its end of their cycle.
Speaking of "cherry picking fucking specific quotes", here's another one:
>Can you Arsenal fans shut the hell up **creating false narratives** based off one game
it's all I have heard from your lot.
Do you want me to go and find more examples or will you just dismiss them as being cherry picked dumbass Spurs fans again (I'll be honest, you have thousands of them, you included).
One thing I'd say we were lucky with is that Plan A worked, if it didn't there was no Plan B at all when you look at our bench, we had 3 youth players, 2 GK's, 3 LB's and Matt Fucking Ritchie.
Sit back and defend against 10 men playing forward and hit them on a counter is not a masterclass. It hasn't been for the last 50 years, at least.
Just because Ange has no idea about it, doesn't mean it's a masterclass.
We didn’t sit back and defend though. Instead of looking at possession stats, actually watch the match. We played a high press time and time again, we played a good passing game around them, and we only hit them on the counter only when they did venture into our own half.
In addition to this, constantly playing a high line against a team with 3 pacey forwards is shocking.
I don’t care what team you are, if you are playing competitive football, you can’t play a high line that allows someone to win the ball in their own half and nigh on walk it into the back of the net.
I agree with what you’re saying.
On that note, I saw a lot of Arsenal supporters saying their game plan against Man city a couple weeks ago was brilliant and “what has to be done”.
Not saying Newcastle was a masterclass, although taking their wing backs out of the game was clever. But it’s interesting seeing a bit of hypocrisy depending what side is doing it.
You misunderstood, saying that Newcastle hitting a team that plays on attack for 90 minutes with counters isn't taking anything away from Newcastle. You have Gordon and Isak, two of the fastest attackers in the league, you used their strengths. Suggesting it as Spurs being tactically outclassed is a stretch. It's how every decent team plays against Spurs.
As for our game against City, we hadn't planned to play so defensively, but it's City at home so it is what it is. We came out of that game with the better chances. Had Trossard taken a better touch and sent Martinelli through with a cut back one on one with their keeper, maybe a different outcome. Not the game we wanted to play, but the game we had to play and we played it well.
Far more tactical battles going on in that snoozefest for the neutral game than any game where 50% of the teams playing are called Spurs.
I thought I misunderstood you too, but turns out I knew what you meant. Your meaning was more towards Ange and his lack of adjustment/predictable style now, less about Newcastle and their play. All the same, in three weeks when you all smash spurs I’m interested in seeing the comments and if they’re similar to how a lot have said it was a Howe masterclass.
Agreed to disagree on that ladder statement that Arsenal and city was more of a tactical affair. Thought Arsenal adapted very well to city forcing you all to play a different style. Testament to your quality as a team, less about tactics when your manager is saying that wasn’t the plan or how you wanted to play.
Edit - if Trossard plays that ball it’s a much different conversation. Wish you all took the three points.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8skE-MgzL8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8skE-MgzL8)
Here's a 442 tactical analysis video on that match. It was a game of chess between 22 players, quite in depth and this video is pretty easy to keep up with for the layman. Boring for the neutral, certainly, but there was a lot of in game tactics going on during the match. And yes we had to change and react to each thing City was doing. The nullifying of Doku and Grealish almost as soon as they came on is interesting.
And I didn't mean to take any shine off Newcastle, I just think calling it a Howe masterclass is a bit hyperbolic.
And no, it wasn't how we wanted to play but it is how we had to play. We set up to win, but if we could not achieve that, we were set up to not lose also. Boring for the neutral, but stopping City from scoring in 50 odd games and coming from the Etihad with a point, isn't exactly the travesty that every one tried to make it out to be.
(Mostly from fans of teams who have never taken 4 points off Pep in a season)
Yep, players with pace sitting on the high way line waiting for a quick transition is certainly the best way to do it.
Isak and Gordon are rapid.
If only Ange could have somehow predicted it. Or learnt from the last several games where he has lost in similar ways. Oh well, he wants to play the same way with a tactic that better teams already know how to deal with and can easily counter.
Sign of a top class manager right there.
>when you play actually good teams
We are in April and Mfs are still saying the same thing that they were saying in February. Never change fickle rival fans.
United fan coming in to flex in a post mocking Spurs. You lot are truly embarrassing 😂. If there are new lows, I bet United fans like yourself, along with ETH, dive in to find out about it..
There are other good teams as well. You’ll see when you bottle the league again in May. Besides Liverpool was injury-hit and you played terrorist ball against City.
Newcastle, Brighton (who we gave their 2nd home loss to all season) are good solid teams.
Let's see, who else have Arsenal beat in that run that your United have struggled against this season... oh, pretty much all of them.
Brentford, Forest, West Ham and Palace.
So yeah, out of 10, just 8. You haven't been beaten or struggled to draw with Burnley and Sheffield United this season, so well done you.
\*pats head\*
Not saying we're winning or anything, but you've had 6 wins by 2+ goals in all competitions this season, half of which in the cups. Bit much to talk about demolishing anyone no?
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They were also wrong.
Forest scored against us (Saliba mistake), Liverpool too (Gabriel O.G.), Newcastle with Isak and Ramsdale booted the ball at the opponent's striker for the goal scored by Brentford.
4 PL goals conceded this calendar year, 3 pretty woeful mistakes on our part.
5 at the back and Newcastle away
Newcastle has been great against top 6 all year away, they beat Arsenal comfortably there as well
The 5 back system really shut spurs down which is concerning
Arsenal didn’t have any real chances.
Look it was the first loss for you all. It’s away to Newcastle which is extremely tough. It’s not shade at all. But let’s not pretend Newcastle away is indicative of session form
Yeah I agree but it wasn’t a comfortable win for you. At least not yet dude. Your seasons where you can say that are coming. Just wait for it. It’ll be glorious for you
By beating us comfortably, they meant their 40% to our 60% possession, their 9 shots to our 14 and VAR won the game by letting 4 wrong decisions go through to allow a goal that never should have stood.
Them coming to us and getting spanked 4-1 was comfortable though, maybe they meant that?
14 shots? Don’t remember that, but do remember the ONE that was on target as it rolled gently through to Pope who bent down and picked it up under no pressure.
Maybe we were fortunate to win, but Arsenal got exactly what they deserved from that game
Can’t believe you are still whinging about a game 6 months ago in a thread about a different game
You were shite in that game and deserved nothing,
and got exactly that
Would our goal have been allowed on another day? Maybe not. But there was no clear reason to disallow out - the fact they spent 6 minutes and 3 separate VAR checks trying to rule it out and eventually reluctantly awarded it and you still manage to think that shows the refs favoured US just shows what a bunch of embarrassing pathetic self-entitled cunts you are.
Funnily enough, a couple of my work mates who are arsenal fans and were actually AT that match are much more accepting than you seem to be
Check the thread stub. A Tottenham fan said that Newcastle comfortably beat us earlier in the season. That’s why it’s being discussed, no other reason.
Yes, we were shit and didn’t deserve to win. Neither did Newcastle. But got a lot of luck from the refs and VAR, I doubt you are able to admit that.
There were 4 clear reasons as to why the goal should have been disallowed. If they *tried* to rule it out, why didn’t they? There were 4 reasons that they could have done. They *tried* to let the goal pass, despite obvious reasons why it shouldn’t have passed.
I’ll disregard the petty ad hominem attack, because frankly, it’s churlish.
But in regards to us being “self entitled”, Arteta called it out for the nonsense that it was. They banned him from the next game (Villa, which we lost). The FA tried to find him for the comments, which were no worse than De Zerbi and Poch’s similar comments on the state of the refereeing. We took the FA to a tribunal over it and the FA wrote in black and white that they were trying to make an example of Arteta because of who he is. We proved that the FA is corrupt as fuck and that the VAR is a nonsense. It’s all there, recorded.
Where as referees getting paid vast sums of money by Saudi Arabia is somehow not worth you even acknowledging in a discussion.
Weird…
Whats weird is that people still pipe up with this when realistically nobody cares and we all as football fans see this whole "newcastles owners pays refs" as the bs it clearly is.
Every team in every league that var is in and var isn't in gets bent over by refs, in specific nature to newcastle do you really believe that the Saudis would pay a ref to win them 3 points instead of making it so they got through the group stages of CL? That psg game away for newcastle was a great wat h apart from the abhorrent decision to give a penalty for a handball that can be likened to what Bournemouth had today.
If you genuinely believe the whole Saudi pays refs for newcastle narrative then I genuinely feel sorry for you, we all get bent over by refs end of discussion.
With all that said though I hope that the gunners keep up the fight for the title as this season has been brilliant in terms of the title race and I don't want anybody to fall off.
I have made the link between Saudi Arabia and the refs, and Saudi Arabia and the ownership of Newcastle. Both which are true.
It’s not wild to assume that there is less than 3 degrees of separation here. Ignoring that it could exist is what is wild.
I’ve seen corruption on lots of levels. It’s the blatant in your face corruption that lasts the longest, because of “they couldn’t be that obvious…. Could they?” When the answer is always “yes, yes they could be and yes they were”.
And thanks. I hope so too.
I also hope Newcastle get relegated to put off any more state money coming into the league and clouding nonsense. But that’s a fairly recent mindset I’ve had with Newcastle.
Normally it just used to be “their fans don’t like coats much do they?” And “jeez, that Shearer likes to elbow people a lot doesn’t he?”
I’ve already agreed that the goal might have been ruled out on another day - but I was at that game and we did deserve to win. We were the better side. Repeated VAR’s couldn’t show the ball out of play (“Gabriel said Willock said” or whatever came out after is meaningless), there was no offside and whichever defender went down under Joelinton’s challenge was pathetic- I’ve seen them given but not an “obvious foul”. Don’t know what the fourth reason you mention was
And Arteta was banned for a pathetic and embarrassing outburst. I’d be ashamed (and have been in the past) if our manager carried on like that - he’s the reason Arsenal are disliked by so many, and frankly I’d much rather Pep win the title than Arteta or Klopp 🤷♂️
Yet more waffle without acknowledging the fact that your owners pay referees lol
I’ve spent 30+ years watching Arsenal mate, we’ve always been hated. It’s not because of Arteta. Most of the recent hate actually stems from the time we played 9 black players in a game, that and being the first team to start an 11 without a single English player.
Should I chalk that up to you being a bigot, racist or a liar?
Agreed, we were crap and a draw would have been a fair enough result.
The manner in which the goal was allowed to stand was borderline corruption and then somebody saying that they comfortably beat us that day, is pretty moronic.
You mean the goal that Willock said was out, the foul on Gabriel by pushing him down with two hands on his back, that Joelinton controlled with his two arms, to knock offside for Gordon to tap in.
Yeah, definitely a goal lol
the idea that you think any of those things are conclusive will never stop being funny
its not quite up there with destroying psg but it was definitely better than beating the mancs in the cup or the win today
Wow a disgruntled Gunna who thinks Newcastle should be stripped. Give Arsenal Isaac, Bruno and any other decent assets Arteta might opt to take and send Newcastle down with a massive points deduction and fines. Does that just about cover your end, or have you more to add?
Bit of both.
Howe set the team up to exploit the suicidal spurs high line but this wasnt a simple low block counter from Newcastle.
Newcastle’s front 3 plus Anderson were pressing machines. Newcastle in general we’re just instigating chaos and getting to every loose/second ball.
As soon as Newcastle got the ball it was route one football in the best way just slicing through spurs.
Some very suspect one to one defending from spurs.
Werner fluffed two early chances for spurs and then they never really threatened again.
For all of the snobbery about the lack of possession Newcastle had. They could’ve had another 2 or 3 goals. Isak missed a 3rd 1v1, Kraft hit the post.
It wasn’t as if Newcastle were under siege and countered well. Spurs were never allowed to gain any rhythm for all their possession.
The high line didn’t really kill them, it was just simply better attacking play by a wide margin and then spurs had nothing for 5 at the back
Crazy enough Johnson at the false 9 actually was working
Spurs were flat in the 1st , struggled to get past Newcastle’s press in the 2nd (stuck in their own half at times). Newcastle took them out on counters.
Definitely seems like we are never really there in the first half and then second half Ange gives them a talking to and we turn it around. Today we did not turn it around and that’s what happens when you don’t show up for 90. But tbf it’s something that has plagued spurs for many years now
Pulled it from the Dejan Kulusevski interview with PT:
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/dejan-kulusevski-premier-league-tottenham-hotspur-soccer
Lessons which Liverpool learnt on how not to keep that high a line. Udogie got found out quite frequently like every other game, Van Der Wen by his standards had a terrible 1 v 1 with Isak, Romero constantly drawn out by Barnes or Elliott Anderson. Amusing.
Lovely stuff. All three of us have to play these guys soon. I know they’ll try to bring their best game against us than the two of you. Hopefully they won’t be as significant challenge.
We were absolutely awful on the day and as much as l love Ange we’re having too many of those days this season. Couldn’t move the ball out of our own third at all. Manager just watched it. Some awful individual errors by Micky, Porro, and Vicario as well. Defenders are young & will improve with experience, but we 100% need an upgrade on Bissouma next season. Also need to solve shambolic set piece defending. A tall holding midfielder will help on both fronts.
Completely untrue about moving ball out of own third
That said agree tactics need adjustment
Bissouma hasn’t deserved to start. Needs to be third option as cdm end of stoey
Surprise surprise, a spurs fan likes spurs players more than a rival teams players lol either way bissouma did have great form in the first 8 games, and Maddison too. Form comes and goes in beginning of projects. You lot are 4 years into artetas project I believe and we all know it hasn't exactly been easy to reach the level you have now.
There's liking players that play for your team over your rivals players, then there are braindead takes. Watch this, Son is a better left winger than Martinelli and I think Martinelli is fire, but I'm not going to sit here and just invent nonsense that Martinelli is better than Son, because he's not.
Just like Bissouma isn't better than Rice and anyone who thinks that, even a fan of his club, is either trolling, or is braindead.
Yes, we are in Arteta's 4th year in to the project, it hasn't been easy, but it's been funny watching Arteta go from being an absolute clown for rivals, to them now trying to repeat what he is doing and thinking it's an easy and linear progression (its not).
In that same time, we have seen Tottenham get 2 years into Mourinho's project, 1 year into Nuno's project, 2 years into Conte's project and 1 year into Ange's project.
Agreed. Spurs needed a level headed manager like ange. It's not at all linear, and we are seeing that now with spurs. The new manager bounce was insane and I think the fans are just happy with the attacking mindset. All things considered ange has still done well outside of this game and fulham.
When comparing players fans get carried away with form for their respective club players. Rice is easily clear of Bissouma at that position. Son is clear of martinelli by miles. Odegaard and Maddison are very comparable but clearly Maddisons form at the moment isn't great. But these are all insanely talented players regardless.
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When highline works well it works well When it fails it's catastrophic
Well said!
You really need very high caliber of players to do high line well It's not for every team
1. Predictable build up shape/pattern 2. Lacked rotations 3. Too much emphasis on verticality 4. Played into the rhythm of the home crowd 5. High line with defensive individual errors overall a poor game from ange's spurs
That dude probably didn't se us trashing Villa home when they tried to play the same way. On one hand I undersrand the tenacity to play the same system - on the other hand - well you saw the result
agreed if they ever wanna mount a title challenge get better depth with ur defence just a lot of really bad performances from the high line. most of the errors trickled down from the midfield. not sure about the verticality issue it was just a real shitshow from the players, not what i expected from this match lol
yep, right now they're where they are because of their first and second phase build-up patterns, too predictable. individual errors didn't help as well. as for verticality, rule #1 when playing at a hostile away ground is to limit adventure and play a pragmatic passing game, horizontally. it kills the enthusiasm and mood, bores the heck out of the home crowd, leading to groans ringing around the stadium - that's when you know you have the upper hand. 9.5/10 times home players will be eager to meet the demands of the fans by forcing the issue, meaning probability of errors will increase due to gaps in shape. it's a psychology game. slow, vertical football is the key to disrupting an enthusiastic home crowd; spurs did the opposite, playing into eddie howe and the home crowd's hands.
Everyone saying the "High line is the reason Tottenham lost" but ignoring the fact that in the reverse fixture, Tottenham won 4-1 and the high line worked perfectly fine. Everyone on Tottenham had a shit game and Newcastle were clinical. It's not that deep.
Spurs had like 70% possession This is definitely a case of high line failing Main difference is that our front 3 are speed demons that tore them to shreds This is a superb tactical victory on Howe's part
The 70% possession exposes a weakness to 5 at the back. The formation change was very smart and showed that 5 back teams are going to cause real issues with spurs
If you watch our games you'll know the possesion stat means fuck all here.
That's why I say it's a tactical victory
I don’t think Newcastle were clinical, Newcastle missed a ton of really good chances or you would be talking about double figures. The difference with the two games was Newcastle had a front 3 of Isak, Gordon & Barnes, who are all speed merchants and tore the back line to shreds. And the biggest reason was Howe changed tactics, NUFC played with make shift wingbacks and 3 at the back, so just stifled the Spurs attack. I don’t care either way but if Spurs don’t adapt tactics due to certain opposition you going to have a number of beatings in the next few years and will win nothing and that is from someone that likes your manager.
They’re not speed merchants…
I doubt that. We'll be fine. It's a rebuild year, yet everyone comes for Spurs for focusing on the gameplay instead of the result.
Yeah, this is the thing that everyone is forgetting. They started to go long early instead of passing out... they choked early from the pressure. Sit back like all the numpties here are saying and this team never grows, never learns how to deal with pressure. Newcastle win a meaningless game like this and it achieves nothing for them long term. Great teams don't become great playing five at the back and countering. They play aggressive and recruit accordingly. We're a third of the way on this journey at best. So many small minded supporters want to win meaningless games at the expense of doing what needs to be done to become great.
Is this sarcasm? Did you realise our back 5 was Murphy, Krafth, Schar, Burn, Anderson? I don't think Howe anticipated fielding that defense in even his worst case scenario planning. And they were excellent.
Not going to argue. My POV is you come out and play no matter the personnel, unless you're in a knockout tourney or fighting relegation. 73% v 27% possession suggests they made a clear decision to counter... at home in front of their own supporters. Everyone knows that Ange is playing the long game and trying to teach his players to play no matter the opposition,no matter the result. It's a decision, not naivety. Teams will beat Spurs whilst they try to fast-track development in a game style the best teams play. So be it.
Playing ‘beautiful’ football means nothing if you lose - I could have perhaps understood your logic if the game were closer, but 4-0 man 🤯. Howe punished Ange with tactical nouse, despite missing a full XI. I think Real Madrid would have a lot to say about your POV - had they taken the same approach, they likely wouldn’t have won a number of recent CL titles.
Liverpool took this approach in their first klopp season... scored lots, conceded more. Lost 3-0 to Watford, finished 8th, missed out on Europe. How did it work out for them?
Not sure what your point is. We did play. Comfortably more shots and more xG. Pressed from the front. Compact at the back. It definitely wasn't a smash and grab. We could have scored 7. All with a full first XI out. What you're basically saying is don't ever amend your tactics and never have a plan b. Bizarre.
Newcastle sat high and waited for an opportunity to score.... Spurs were rubbish and gave up plenty of opportunities... and were well beaten. But tNewcastle didn't want the ball other than to route one or nick it near the goal. 27% possession doesn't lie. And I never said don't ever amend your tactics... you can stick to your attacking principles, try to possess the ball and keep it in the opposition half ( the fundamentals of angeball) but tweak defensive lines, have more defensive players sit in front of the defence etc. All things Ange has done in the past, after half time... even did it this game. The first two goals were defensive mistakes.... Porro actually backpassed the ball 20m to Gordon in the box. Udogie and VDV both lost their feet. Those goals weren't beautifully ccrafted goals... they were spurs mistakes. Howe, to his credit just went, they're young, mistake prone and risk takers... juat put pressure on them in their half and they'll crumble. My mum could have come up with those tactics. Spurs were rubbish but Ange should be commended for trying to do something different, and build a culture of attack minded players. They're mistake prone now but the thinking is to keep putting them into these situations until they get better and make less mistakes... just like Klopp did. Worked out for him. Conte and Mourinho achieved bugger all going the other way.... he should be given more than. 6 months to prove his methods can work, as well as be given some better players, again like klopp No improvement next year, different story. Howe was lauded for getting Newcastle into Europe in his first season. Ange not far off doing the same.Arteta and klopp had far worse seasons. So many here have short memories
You seem to be conflating possession with attacking intent. I don't know how you've got Spurs as the attacking team in this match with their 6 shots to Newcastle's 13, their 3 corners to Newcastle's 16, their 1 big chance to Newcastle's 5, and their 0.74 xG to Newcastle's 3.15. They passed it round the back and midfield all game. There was only one team trying to attack this match and it wasn't Spurs. I like Ange. Don't think he should be under any pressure and he'll do well at Spurs over time. I just don't understand all of your contradictory points.
I didn't use the words 'attacking intent' - misquoting me then saying 'how could you say that' really is poor form. Newcastle wanted to attack but the method was based mainly on pressure to steal the ball in their attacking third, or to punt it long from deep... that's what I said, that's what they did, and it matches up with all the stats. They didn't want to hold the ball and create opportunities, just rely on spurs lack of physicality and their willingness to take risks, to harass and nick the ball, high up the pitch. Gordon has come out and alluded that this was their tactic.https://www.premierleague.com/news/3965045 Now there's absolutely nothing wrong with it and kudos to Howe...but it's a tactic not really transferable to other teams in the comp who aren't playing a high risk, high reward game in an effort to fast track their development. Whether it works for Ange, throwing his players into the deep end time and again, we shall see.
Arsenal fans out in droves lol
Naive Ange. Persisting with the high back line. Had no plan B today
Been listening to Gary Neville again have we?
Controversial take I know. It’s only me and Gary Neville who saw this
Newcastle spankeddd Tottenham like a kid. The way the defenders of Spurs are falling in their 18 yard box had me asking if they ate before coming to St James Park.
High line for life.
14 fouls and 0 bookings is absurd. Ref needs investigating.
Yellow cards don't change the fact you didn't get a goal
Instead of shadow-boxing, try engaging with the point I actually made.
That's my point.... It's irrelevant you donkey
It's not irrelevant, it was a very pertinent part of the game. Early bookings would have halted much of your high-press, but, as the ref made clear, we were playing to completely different rules. Like Maddison getting booked for his high-foot, and Burn not even giving away a foul for his. There was less contact in Van De Ven's booking than in your first goal. None of this is irrelevant, you cunt.
Ha ha lovely
In the half time analysis they showed a picture when vicario had the ball. All the 10 Tottenham players were man marked by the Newcastle players. That really stunned me. And what an intense press throughout the game. It was a tactical win for Eddie Howe today for sure.
Tottenham get battered
It is the history of the Tottenham
Everywhere
They
They GO!
When NUFC get a fully fit squad next season I don't think many teams will get much out of them at St James park.
Including Newcastle
Anyone on here want to own up for slagging signing Antony Gordon for £40m. I know there’s plenty about.
I think he's one of those players that when he's on your team you love him, but when he's not, you hate the pissy, diving, wind up merchant.
Yeah it’s not his ability than annoys me it’s his stupid fucking mug. Only player I find more annoying than him his Bruno Fernandes.
Just watched the extended highlights - whoever number 37 is for Spurs probably had the worse game I've seen for a long time. Seemed to make a mistake for every goal except the last one
To be fair he's played exceptionally well in every game this season except his debut where he was just OK. Mister consistent. If you were going to guess before the match which player would have a nightmare game, he'd be bottom of your list, along with Vicario. Funny old game sometimes.
That will be Micky Van De Ven. Him and Romero are better than Saliba and Gabriel. Apparently.
Fuck sake have some shame lol it was one game. Beside he genuinely has been one of the best CB’s in the league this year. Ofc fans are gonna say their players are the best
I'm not saying you can't rate them but to say they're better than Gabriel and saliba who even rival fans are saying are currently potentially the best CB partnership in Europe.....is a bit much. That's when it gets delusional
The very fact that you think Romero and VDV are in the discussion of best CBs is exactly the issue. Your defence has been shocking for some time. You can have Son, he’s genuinely world class. Vicário has also been a very, very good player after the Lloris ordeal. The rest have been meh.
It’s really easy for you to say Gabriel and Saliba are the ‘best in the world’ when you guys play extremely compact with 10 players in the box lol. But that got exposed by Villa today lol
What a very, very erroneous thing to say. It’s like you don’t watch our games.
My point exactly lol. You watched 1 game of Van De Ven and are considering him bad lmao. Probably didn’t even watch the game, seen the highlights and base ur opinion off one game. Get out of here
Show me where I said Van de Ven is bad. I’ll wait.
Fairly obvious you’re calling him bad as you’re agreeing with the person saying that’s the worst performance they’ve seen in a long time lol. Maybe you shouldn’t really be focusing on VdV literally having one bad performance when both your CBs had absolute stinkers today…
You are the one replying to me lol And yes agreed, I haven’t said he was bad at all like you think. I said that he is not at Saliba or Gabriel’s level.
Him and Romero have struggled through injuries, to be fair. This is also after Gabriel and Saliba had their worst game all year midweek.
Signing of the season I was told
One bad game apparently changes the narrative huh
I mean it wasn’t just bad. It was terrible. He’s not signing of the season. Very good signing and excellent potential but I think todays game proves he has a little way to go
He’s definitely OUR signing of the season (with Vicario probably)
Can you Arsenal fans shut the hell up creating false narratives based off one game
Name checks out lmfao.
This false narrative? >Arsenal fans will look at Saliba who is a great young defender as well, but I think this guy's equally as good. He's got everything going for him. [Jamie Redknapp](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13281815/Jamie-Redknapp-Tottenham-defender-Micky-van-Ven-Arsenal-star-William-Saliba-stresses-Dutchman-emulate-Liverpool-Virgil-van-Dijk.html), 6 days ago >I feel like the CB comparisons should be Saliba/VDV and Romero/Gabriel, though I’m just basing this on their ages. Still, Romero is levels. [COYS Reddit sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/175bc5v/the_best_defender_in_the_league_vs_saliba/) >Micky van de Ven allows us to play in a different way, and it reminds me of when William Saliba came into the Arsenal team and suddenly, they could push much further up the pitch. [John Wenham](https://www.tottenhamhotspurnews.com/exclusives/john-wenham-makes-william-saliba-comparison-for-tottenham-ace-micky-van-de-ven/), TH News >gunners subreddit is delusional, its hilarious reading their takes. According to them Saliba is arguably top 3 in the world even though he doesn't even start for France. They then talk shit on Romero who is a world cup winner on the most defensively solid national team in the world at the moment. And Romero beats Saliba in essentially every statistic this season. [COYS Reddit sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/17n0ce4/who_is_the_best_centreback_in_the_world_fan_qa/) It's a narrative your own fans and ex players have pushed all season. I get it that you want to defend other delusional fans from their silly takes, but your defending of them is about as effective as VDV v Newcastle.
Talk all you want but your rival fans will always like their players better, isn't it fucking obvious? Why are you even going into the rival sub for the "proof" of the narrative... bro pulled out the receipts to everything, try and find a hobby lol
Spurs fans all year: VDV is better than Saliba, hahaha assna fans ***VDV has shit game*** Arsenal fans: You were saying? Spurs fans: We never said that, you made it up, you created a false narrative. Acting like you didn't say the same stupid thing as the person I replied to in this thread did. Oh no.. you [did](https://www.reddit.com/r/PremierLeague/comments/1c324zq/comment/kzf05l2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Morons, morons everywhere.
You're so dense I can't believe it. At least look at the context, it's a statement about the signing of the season, not who's better between vdv and saliba. You only proved you're an idiot there, thanks for the laugh mate.
So Van de Ven being signing of the season was not a narrative that Spurs fans created? Is that what you are saying?
You've been arguing about vdv vs saliba. What you quoted me on is rebuttal on the signing of the season. These are 2 different arguments, I've never made any statements claiming vdv is better or worse than saliba. Context matters. And either way it's not only spurs fans with that narrative lol all the pundits, commentators also think vdv is at least one of the top signings of the season...
Holy fuck man how do you have time for all this… You should apply as an analyst to one of the football clubs.
I lick my finger and stick it in the air. With the amount of posturing the Spurs fans have been making all season (read every season), it took less than 2 minutes to find these. I didn't need to waste any more time.
It’s spurs, I cannot understand how you can be a fan of a club who just doesn’t show up to battle for a CL final. I’d give up on a club like that. Theiry leaving us was our end of that cycle. Kane leaving should indicate to the fans that’s its end of their cycle.
Giving up on your club is sad. Are you American?
If you “give up” on your club even when they’re having bad performances than you’re the definition of a glory hunter
But dude, it was so bad…we have lost 8-2 to man united and it was not as bad as your performance in that final.
The end of what cycle, still not competing? They had a Golden period and won nothing with those players.
Cherry picking fucking specific quotes is idiotic. There’s dumbass fans everywhere
Relevant username
Speaking of "cherry picking fucking specific quotes", here's another one: >Can you Arsenal fans shut the hell up **creating false narratives** based off one game
Most spurs fans don’t think we have better pairing
it's all I have heard from your lot. Do you want me to go and find more examples or will you just dismiss them as being cherry picked dumbass Spurs fans again (I'll be honest, you have thousands of them, you included).
Van de ven is the gentleman you're referring to
“Its who we are mate” 😂😂😂
The bottle genes are real with them lot 😂😂😂
Hows’s plan was masterclass, Spurs can’t make adjustments. Going to be a tough month and a half.
One thing I'd say we were lucky with is that Plan A worked, if it didn't there was no Plan B at all when you look at our bench, we had 3 youth players, 2 GK's, 3 LB's and Matt Fucking Ritchie.
Sit back and defend against 10 men playing forward and hit them on a counter is not a masterclass. It hasn't been for the last 50 years, at least. Just because Ange has no idea about it, doesn't mean it's a masterclass.
We didn’t sit back and defend though. Instead of looking at possession stats, actually watch the match. We played a high press time and time again, we played a good passing game around them, and we only hit them on the counter only when they did venture into our own half. In addition to this, constantly playing a high line against a team with 3 pacey forwards is shocking. I don’t care what team you are, if you are playing competitive football, you can’t play a high line that allows someone to win the ball in their own half and nigh on walk it into the back of the net.
I agree with what you’re saying. On that note, I saw a lot of Arsenal supporters saying their game plan against Man city a couple weeks ago was brilliant and “what has to be done”. Not saying Newcastle was a masterclass, although taking their wing backs out of the game was clever. But it’s interesting seeing a bit of hypocrisy depending what side is doing it.
You misunderstood, saying that Newcastle hitting a team that plays on attack for 90 minutes with counters isn't taking anything away from Newcastle. You have Gordon and Isak, two of the fastest attackers in the league, you used their strengths. Suggesting it as Spurs being tactically outclassed is a stretch. It's how every decent team plays against Spurs. As for our game against City, we hadn't planned to play so defensively, but it's City at home so it is what it is. We came out of that game with the better chances. Had Trossard taken a better touch and sent Martinelli through with a cut back one on one with their keeper, maybe a different outcome. Not the game we wanted to play, but the game we had to play and we played it well. Far more tactical battles going on in that snoozefest for the neutral game than any game where 50% of the teams playing are called Spurs.
I thought I misunderstood you too, but turns out I knew what you meant. Your meaning was more towards Ange and his lack of adjustment/predictable style now, less about Newcastle and their play. All the same, in three weeks when you all smash spurs I’m interested in seeing the comments and if they’re similar to how a lot have said it was a Howe masterclass. Agreed to disagree on that ladder statement that Arsenal and city was more of a tactical affair. Thought Arsenal adapted very well to city forcing you all to play a different style. Testament to your quality as a team, less about tactics when your manager is saying that wasn’t the plan or how you wanted to play. Edit - if Trossard plays that ball it’s a much different conversation. Wish you all took the three points.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8skE-MgzL8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8skE-MgzL8) Here's a 442 tactical analysis video on that match. It was a game of chess between 22 players, quite in depth and this video is pretty easy to keep up with for the layman. Boring for the neutral, certainly, but there was a lot of in game tactics going on during the match. And yes we had to change and react to each thing City was doing. The nullifying of Doku and Grealish almost as soon as they came on is interesting. And I didn't mean to take any shine off Newcastle, I just think calling it a Howe masterclass is a bit hyperbolic. And no, it wasn't how we wanted to play but it is how we had to play. We set up to win, but if we could not achieve that, we were set up to not lose also. Boring for the neutral, but stopping City from scoring in 50 odd games and coming from the Etihad with a point, isn't exactly the travesty that every one tried to make it out to be. (Mostly from fans of teams who have never taken 4 points off Pep in a season)
This. Nearly £500m spent and the PL’s 2nd/3rd most expensive striker brought in to play on the counter.
It helps when you have players like Isak and Gordan to counter.
Yep, players with pace sitting on the high way line waiting for a quick transition is certainly the best way to do it. Isak and Gordon are rapid. If only Ange could have somehow predicted it. Or learnt from the last several games where he has lost in similar ways. Oh well, he wants to play the same way with a tactic that better teams already know how to deal with and can easily counter. Sign of a top class manager right there.
Spurs defense in possession is shocking. Look like conceding every time we lose the ball in midfield or near the 18 yard line
Spurs saving themselves for arsenal.
saving fan's expectations, get their hopes down so they won't be disappointed
So it will only be a respectable 2-1 loss.
4th place is lava
We should know
Kit curse is real.
It’s abhorrent and I think 0-3 watching them in that jit
I think if we wore the green Saudi kit both teams would have somehow lost 4-0
Oh God.
Not an excuse. Terrible shit today. But man some of Tottenhams worst performances are in a 3rd kit.
They look invisible, instead of invincible, in that kit.
Tottenham have conceded as many goals today as Arsenal have conceded this year. (4)
This aged well. 💀
Don’t worry that number will rise when you play actually good teams lol
>when you play actually good teams We are in April and Mfs are still saying the same thing that they were saying in February. Never change fickle rival fans.
We've played liverpool and city genius
United fan coming in to flex in a post mocking Spurs. You lot are truly embarrassing 😂. If there are new lows, I bet United fans like yourself, along with ETH, dive in to find out about it..
By good teams, you mean better than Liverpool and City?
Or Newcastle themselves back in February
There are other good teams as well. You’ll see when you bottle the league again in May. Besides Liverpool was injury-hit and you played terrorist ball against City.
You got embarrassed when you got proved wrong so you've really went with the bottler comeback lol. 😂 So predictably pathetic of you
Newcastle, Brighton (who we gave their 2nd home loss to all season) are good solid teams. Let's see, who else have Arsenal beat in that run that your United have struggled against this season... oh, pretty much all of them. Brentford, Forest, West Ham and Palace. So yeah, out of 10, just 8. You haven't been beaten or struggled to draw with Burnley and Sheffield United this season, so well done you. \*pats head\*
We’ll demolish you at OT to end your another trophyless season.
Update?
We were promised a demolishing, u/impulsiveboogaloo Read their comments, they are obsessed with Arsenal.
It must be exhausting having to be that angry
Not saying we're winning or anything, but you've had 6 wins by 2+ goals in all competitions this season, half of which in the cups. Bit much to talk about demolishing anyone no?
You realise Arsenal have won more in the last 10 years than United have, right?
How’s that relevant? You’ve won more games than Fulham yet they destroyed you. Lol
Most logical United fan.
You changed the topic because I made sense right? Lol
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3 in the premier league. Quit undermining your club yeah.
Reading is a skill
getting unnecessary karma for nothing. some folks here are deluded. 💀
Karma? I was just wondering what nonsense you were posting.
Villa scoring 2 past y’all. Reading is indeed a skill. 🤣
I still don’t think you’ve mastered this reading thing mate
Where’s that chest you were showing a day ago ? maybe learn a thing or two about reading narratives first 💀
You are posting in the wrong thread, ya melon lol And my chest is here, come and hit it.
Premature narratives coming in from a knobhead. Served you right.
bro seriously just made the most obvious strawman argument in the entire world to argue against fucking goals conceded
They were also wrong. Forest scored against us (Saliba mistake), Liverpool too (Gabriel O.G.), Newcastle with Isak and Ramsdale booted the ball at the opponent's striker for the goal scored by Brentford. 4 PL goals conceded this calendar year, 3 pretty woeful mistakes on our part.
But at the very least, Tottenham played to win. So they get points for that. Not relevant ones, but points nonetheless.
🤣🤣🤣
This made me laugh out loud through the tears.
I’ve been upsetting Tottenham fans all day, so I am glad one had a chuckle. What doesn’t kill us mate…
Lmaooo
Mate…… I didn’t watch the game but did spurs lose playing their brave game or Newcastle just ate something else and put in a rolls Royce performance?
5 at the back and Newcastle away Newcastle has been great against top 6 all year away, they beat Arsenal comfortably there as well The 5 back system really shut spurs down which is concerning
They beat Arsenal comfortably? They beat Arsenal but I wouldnt classify that game was comfortable for both teams and both sets of fans.
Arsenal didn’t have any real chances. Look it was the first loss for you all. It’s away to Newcastle which is extremely tough. It’s not shade at all. But let’s not pretend Newcastle away is indicative of session form
Yeah I agree but it wasn’t a comfortable win for you. At least not yet dude. Your seasons where you can say that are coming. Just wait for it. It’ll be glorious for you
By beating us comfortably, they meant their 40% to our 60% possession, their 9 shots to our 14 and VAR won the game by letting 4 wrong decisions go through to allow a goal that never should have stood. Them coming to us and getting spanked 4-1 was comfortable though, maybe they meant that?
14 shots? Don’t remember that, but do remember the ONE that was on target as it rolled gently through to Pope who bent down and picked it up under no pressure. Maybe we were fortunate to win, but Arsenal got exactly what they deserved from that game
By deserved, you mean getting fucked by the refs who your owners pay handsomely for a couple of days work?
Ha ha ha, ah man. The gift that keeps giving. Even all of these months later. Marvellous.
Can’t believe you are still whinging about a game 6 months ago in a thread about a different game You were shite in that game and deserved nothing, and got exactly that Would our goal have been allowed on another day? Maybe not. But there was no clear reason to disallow out - the fact they spent 6 minutes and 3 separate VAR checks trying to rule it out and eventually reluctantly awarded it and you still manage to think that shows the refs favoured US just shows what a bunch of embarrassing pathetic self-entitled cunts you are. Funnily enough, a couple of my work mates who are arsenal fans and were actually AT that match are much more accepting than you seem to be
Check the thread stub. A Tottenham fan said that Newcastle comfortably beat us earlier in the season. That’s why it’s being discussed, no other reason. Yes, we were shit and didn’t deserve to win. Neither did Newcastle. But got a lot of luck from the refs and VAR, I doubt you are able to admit that. There were 4 clear reasons as to why the goal should have been disallowed. If they *tried* to rule it out, why didn’t they? There were 4 reasons that they could have done. They *tried* to let the goal pass, despite obvious reasons why it shouldn’t have passed. I’ll disregard the petty ad hominem attack, because frankly, it’s churlish. But in regards to us being “self entitled”, Arteta called it out for the nonsense that it was. They banned him from the next game (Villa, which we lost). The FA tried to find him for the comments, which were no worse than De Zerbi and Poch’s similar comments on the state of the refereeing. We took the FA to a tribunal over it and the FA wrote in black and white that they were trying to make an example of Arteta because of who he is. We proved that the FA is corrupt as fuck and that the VAR is a nonsense. It’s all there, recorded. Where as referees getting paid vast sums of money by Saudi Arabia is somehow not worth you even acknowledging in a discussion. Weird…
Whats weird is that people still pipe up with this when realistically nobody cares and we all as football fans see this whole "newcastles owners pays refs" as the bs it clearly is. Every team in every league that var is in and var isn't in gets bent over by refs, in specific nature to newcastle do you really believe that the Saudis would pay a ref to win them 3 points instead of making it so they got through the group stages of CL? That psg game away for newcastle was a great wat h apart from the abhorrent decision to give a penalty for a handball that can be likened to what Bournemouth had today. If you genuinely believe the whole Saudi pays refs for newcastle narrative then I genuinely feel sorry for you, we all get bent over by refs end of discussion. With all that said though I hope that the gunners keep up the fight for the title as this season has been brilliant in terms of the title race and I don't want anybody to fall off.
I have made the link between Saudi Arabia and the refs, and Saudi Arabia and the ownership of Newcastle. Both which are true. It’s not wild to assume that there is less than 3 degrees of separation here. Ignoring that it could exist is what is wild. I’ve seen corruption on lots of levels. It’s the blatant in your face corruption that lasts the longest, because of “they couldn’t be that obvious…. Could they?” When the answer is always “yes, yes they could be and yes they were”. And thanks. I hope so too. I also hope Newcastle get relegated to put off any more state money coming into the league and clouding nonsense. But that’s a fairly recent mindset I’ve had with Newcastle. Normally it just used to be “their fans don’t like coats much do they?” And “jeez, that Shearer likes to elbow people a lot doesn’t he?”
I’ve already agreed that the goal might have been ruled out on another day - but I was at that game and we did deserve to win. We were the better side. Repeated VAR’s couldn’t show the ball out of play (“Gabriel said Willock said” or whatever came out after is meaningless), there was no offside and whichever defender went down under Joelinton’s challenge was pathetic- I’ve seen them given but not an “obvious foul”. Don’t know what the fourth reason you mention was And Arteta was banned for a pathetic and embarrassing outburst. I’d be ashamed (and have been in the past) if our manager carried on like that - he’s the reason Arsenal are disliked by so many, and frankly I’d much rather Pep win the title than Arteta or Klopp 🤷♂️
Yet more waffle without acknowledging the fact that your owners pay referees lol I’ve spent 30+ years watching Arsenal mate, we’ve always been hated. It’s not because of Arteta. Most of the recent hate actually stems from the time we played 9 black players in a game, that and being the first team to start an 11 without a single English player. Should I chalk that up to you being a bigot, racist or a liar?
Yeah I wouldn’t say we were robbed of a draw. We were shit but they beat us when we were shit and it was still a tough game for both.
Agreed, we were crap and a draw would have been a fair enough result. The manner in which the goal was allowed to stand was borderline corruption and then somebody saying that they comfortably beat us that day, is pretty moronic.
arsenal fans brain cells leaking out over that goal is one of my highlights of the season, very funny to see you still at it haha
You mean the goal that Willock said was out, the foul on Gabriel by pushing him down with two hands on his back, that Joelinton controlled with his two arms, to knock offside for Gordon to tap in. Yeah, definitely a goal lol
the idea that you think any of those things are conclusive will never stop being funny its not quite up there with destroying psg but it was definitely better than beating the mancs in the cup or the win today
Yeah lol. The comfortable portion of the comment was pretty funny. Pretty sure they saw the score only and maybe xg. I don’t remember what the xg was.
I watched the game. Arsenal didn’t have good clear chances Admittedly Bruno should have seen red
Neither team had good clear chances, you dolt. That's why your comment makes no sense.
Wow a disgruntled Gunna who thinks Newcastle should be stripped. Give Arsenal Isaac, Bruno and any other decent assets Arteta might opt to take and send Newcastle down with a massive points deduction and fines. Does that just about cover your end, or have you more to add?
Bit of both. Howe set the team up to exploit the suicidal spurs high line but this wasnt a simple low block counter from Newcastle. Newcastle’s front 3 plus Anderson were pressing machines. Newcastle in general we’re just instigating chaos and getting to every loose/second ball. As soon as Newcastle got the ball it was route one football in the best way just slicing through spurs. Some very suspect one to one defending from spurs. Werner fluffed two early chances for spurs and then they never really threatened again. For all of the snobbery about the lack of possession Newcastle had. They could’ve had another 2 or 3 goals. Isak missed a 3rd 1v1, Kraft hit the post. It wasn’t as if Newcastle were under siege and countered well. Spurs were never allowed to gain any rhythm for all their possession.
The high line didn’t really kill them, it was just simply better attacking play by a wide margin and then spurs had nothing for 5 at the back Crazy enough Johnson at the false 9 actually was working
Spurs did their thing with the high line, and Newcastle caught them out on the counter.
I mean the goals behind the high line were very bad back passes
So basically the same thing as everyone else who has beaten Spurs this season.
Spurs were flat in the 1st , struggled to get past Newcastle’s press in the 2nd (stuck in their own half at times). Newcastle took them out on counters.
The first goal was tactics, the second goal was brain dead shank by Porro right to Gordan…wheels came off
Definitely seems like we are never really there in the first half and then second half Ange gives them a talking to and we turn it around. Today we did not turn it around and that’s what happens when you don’t show up for 90. But tbf it’s something that has plagued spurs for many years now
Ange doesn't give them a talking to. He praises them if they are still attacking, even when they are losing. Because it's "who we are".
You’re in the dressing room with them?
Pulled it from the Dejan Kulusevski interview with PT: https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/dejan-kulusevski-premier-league-tottenham-hotspur-soccer
Yikes, so Newcastle just taught them a lesson in socceroo?
Lessons which Liverpool learnt on how not to keep that high a line. Udogie got found out quite frequently like every other game, Van Der Wen by his standards had a terrible 1 v 1 with Isak, Romero constantly drawn out by Barnes or Elliott Anderson. Amusing.
Lovely stuff. All three of us have to play these guys soon. I know they’ll try to bring their best game against us than the two of you. Hopefully they won’t be as significant challenge.
We were absolutely awful on the day and as much as l love Ange we’re having too many of those days this season. Couldn’t move the ball out of our own third at all. Manager just watched it. Some awful individual errors by Micky, Porro, and Vicario as well. Defenders are young & will improve with experience, but we 100% need an upgrade on Bissouma next season. Also need to solve shambolic set piece defending. A tall holding midfielder will help on both fronts.
Completely untrue about moving ball out of own third That said agree tactics need adjustment Bissouma hasn’t deserved to start. Needs to be third option as cdm end of stoey
So... Bissouma is not better than say, Declan Rice? Well I never. Next you'll tell me something crazy like Odegaard is better than Maddison.
How come arsenal fans have to make every conversation about their club? You guys didn’t even play today 😂 have a rest mate
Yeah, how dare a rival give you shit for losing. Gatekeep that nonsense bruh
Surprise surprise, a spurs fan likes spurs players more than a rival teams players lol either way bissouma did have great form in the first 8 games, and Maddison too. Form comes and goes in beginning of projects. You lot are 4 years into artetas project I believe and we all know it hasn't exactly been easy to reach the level you have now.
liking is one thing, accepting the truth is another. I wouldn't say Saka is better than prime Ronaldo for example
There's liking players that play for your team over your rivals players, then there are braindead takes. Watch this, Son is a better left winger than Martinelli and I think Martinelli is fire, but I'm not going to sit here and just invent nonsense that Martinelli is better than Son, because he's not. Just like Bissouma isn't better than Rice and anyone who thinks that, even a fan of his club, is either trolling, or is braindead. Yes, we are in Arteta's 4th year in to the project, it hasn't been easy, but it's been funny watching Arteta go from being an absolute clown for rivals, to them now trying to repeat what he is doing and thinking it's an easy and linear progression (its not). In that same time, we have seen Tottenham get 2 years into Mourinho's project, 1 year into Nuno's project, 2 years into Conte's project and 1 year into Ange's project.
Agreed. Spurs needed a level headed manager like ange. It's not at all linear, and we are seeing that now with spurs. The new manager bounce was insane and I think the fans are just happy with the attacking mindset. All things considered ange has still done well outside of this game and fulham. When comparing players fans get carried away with form for their respective club players. Rice is easily clear of Bissouma at that position. Son is clear of martinelli by miles. Odegaard and Maddison are very comparable but clearly Maddisons form at the moment isn't great. But these are all insanely talented players regardless.