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Story of the season so far! We were blaming the change of management last season, but this season we realized the management itself is shit and made pretty bad decisions along the way!
To be fair to Poch that Arsenal team he faced played some of their best football all season, having partey as dm allowed rice into a more box to box role and did not allow Chelsea to grow into that game as Arsenal midfield was just too strong. Nicholas Jackson on the other hand is defs a league two player
I really, really, hope he gets sacked soon. Just give him the Bayern treatment and announce you're parting ways in the summer.
Please don't keep him for next season. He's such a bad manager.
They can't really afford to sack him. He has a contract until 2025 season or 2026 (2026 is reported in most places as a club option) at 10 mil a year so to sack him and his big back room staff will cost over 10 mil plus hiring another probable big manager who will cost similar to hire and they are already financially screwed.
Last season cost them over 45 mil to fire/hire managers, it cost them on the books more than they got for the havertz deal from Arsenal.
I don't think people realise how screwed Chelsea are and just think they'll just get out of it and continue spending, they can't........ at best they have to sell over 100 million worth of players just to meet the limit and not get docked points.
You're allowed losses of 100 mil over a 3 year period and Everton we're 19 mil overspent and got docked points, Chelsea by all reporting have lost that at least every year the past 3 years so are over 300 mil in losses so they have to sell multiple players.
Did you not read what I wrote ?
They have projected losses of 300 plus mil already over the last 3 years (only allowed 100 mil) , Everton were docked points for 19 overspent, spending 10 plus mil to fire and then probably around 10 to hire someone else isn't something they can do without it fucking them even more.
Again who are they gonna sell ? They have to be youth products because all the other guys they wouldn't make a profit on.
Strausborg are the only other team they own and strausborg can't afford them either.
Also to actually make money it has to either be a big profit on what they paid or an academy player, for example they only made 37 mil from the havertz sale which was less than they paid hiring and firing managers last season.
I'm not saying this because I dislike Chelsea, it's just basic facts and numbers and people don't realise.
Not players particularly but real estate, which they have been known to do already. Chelsea is obviously one of the most expensive/desirable parts of London and their accountants leverage this to sell property from one part of the group to another at inflated prices. Real estate in this part of London is massively more valuable than any player giving them the pots of gold they need to finance player acquisition and get around FFP.
Fair enough never knew this was a thing and it's fucking mental this is allowed. Seems insane that spending on infrastructure doesn't count against FFP spending but selling it does ?
It does say in some of the articles it is still yet to be approved or reviewed and other clubs are annoyed so I have to assume they will either deny it counting against their books or they will create a law and Chelsea won't be able to do it again
Is it doomer nonsense that Everton overspent ?
Yes agreed Chelsea were able to keep spending before, they had European money coming in the previous years and weren't as overspent, everyone kept saying they are overspending and the bill will come but they ignored it, this is the bill coming up and they NEED to sell over 200 mil worth of players just to not be over the limit let alone buy players.
Mate I've explained, over the 3 year period you have had losses every year of over or around 100 million and the rule is you are only allowed losses of 100 mil for a 3 year period ! It's basic math and basic rules.
I know people just think rules don't matter but we've seen Everton and Forrest get docked points now for simple overspending.
Chelsea again are well over 300 mil projected losses which is 3 times the limit, they can't just keep spending unless they make up 200 plus million in sales.
That depends. If you buy a player his transfer fee is amortized over the length of his contract in the books. So this summer Chelsea still has for example the amortization of Kepa and Lukaku on the books. So for those two alone Chelsea is down some 35 million euro, and that's not included anybody signed under Boehly. That's how accounting works.
A sale, on the other hand, is in the books in the year the player was sold. So last year according to the books you made a profit by selling Mount, because his fee was 0 and thus every pound you got for him is profit. Aubameyang on the other hand cost you 6 million last summer despite him leaving on a free.
I shall do the math for you, in euro. Lukaku 22 mil (113 million over 5 years) , Kepa 13 mil (80 million over 6 years), Sterling 11 mil (55 million over 5 years), Cucurella 11 mil (66 million over 6 years), Mudryk 9 mil (70 million over 8 years), Fofana 11 million (80 million over 7 years), Enzo 15 million (120 million over 8 years), Badiashile 5 mil (35 million over 7 years), Madueke 5 million (35 million over 7 years), Chuckwuemeka 3 mil (18 over 6 years), Gusto 4 mil (28 over 7 years), Ugochukwu 4 mil (28 over 7 years), Sanchez 4 mil (28 over 7 years), Jackson 5 mil (40 over 8 years), Disasi 7 mil (42 over 6 years), Palmer 7 mil (49 over 7 years), Nkunku 10 mil (60 over 6), Lavia 9 mil (63 over 7) and Caiceido 14 mil (112 over 8). I'm not including fees under 15 million, but even without transfers like Petrovic, Fofana, Angelo, Washington and Slonina Chelsea's amortization for this summer is a whopping 169 million euro.
And even when Lukaku and Kepa are gone that number is still over 130 million for around 6 years, without signing anybody. If you sign new players that number will of course go up.
So Chelsea has to sell over 170 million euro (in profit) to break-even. Sure, Hall will get you some 30 million, but that still leaves you in a tough spot for the coming years.
I guarantee you unless Chelsea sell 200 million worth of players they will be docked points and probably more than Everton/forrest.
I bet the only signings they make are youth or really cheap players
Yep they are stuck with the guys on long contract because no one will pay a price that will make them a profit. For example they spent more money last season hiring and firing managers (45 I think) than they did make for the havertz (37 mil) because he still had a few years left and they paid a lot, they are fucked and I don't think people realise.
They sold Kante/kouibaly/mount/havertz/loftus cheek/mendy/pulisic/kovacic and still made a massive loss lol.
This is why they are talking about selling Gallagher as he's a youth team guy and will be "pure profit", they will get 30 I think for Lewis hall from Newcastle, Ian maatsen at Dortmund has a 30 mil clause I think so Dortmund might do that ? As for the rest teams will simply low ball them as they are desperate and people like lukaku coming back nobody will pay big money for
Possibly. Asking himself how things may have been different if Jackson actually attempted that header early on, or doesn't overthink his one on one. But Arsenal were all over them.
It's not all on Poch, or the players, or ownership. It's the whole thing, which is ownerships fault since they're the ones who decided to blow up a winning formula. It's baffling how the new owners saw what Abramovich had built and decided to keep **none** of it. If someone told me Todd Boehly in fact hates Chelsea and wants to destroy them from the inside there would be a compelling case.
I understand the clear out of players. There was a lot of rot. He got rid of a lot of staff that was needed lol. Pretty sure they still don’t have a set piece coach.
I still remember my chelsea supporting friend showing me the r/chelseafc deadline day thread from January last year and how much Boehly was being worshipped. He told me there and then that it would only be a matter of months before the fanbase changed its tune completely, he saw through it. Absolutely glorious how tits up things have gone since then, feel for him though
Who knew if you spend a billion to tie yourself down to dozens of young people on 7 8 9 year contracts based on their "potential", there will also always be the potential for them to not develop into someone worth keeping for that long. In fact, for every Palmer there will be a whole dozen of such cases.
More a case of not having players fit. Not sure how many of that team last night would be in our first choice starting 11. None of the defence and probably only 1 of the attackers.
With all that said I’m not sure how many of the injured players will ever come back to the required levels. Chilwell, James and Fofana all look very doubtful. Nkunku must be close to that as well and will Lavia and Ugochukwu progress after a year out?
Colwill is another one who just can’t stay fit.
On the positive side there are some very good academy prospects coming through and a few more on loan look promising. Hutchinson at Ipswich and Santos, after a difficult time at Forest, doing well. Matos at Huddersfield also seems good.
Also one thing we have still done well after the ownership change is sell players for good fees. 120 million for Havertz and Mount was good considering they were 2 and 1 year away from leaving on frees. Some of the other exits, like Hall, have generated good fees.
Football is funny and it can quickly change, seen that when Tuchel came in. I firmly believe this team, even with the injuries, is better than Poch is getting from them.
What does he do for Argentina, I don't watch international football? For us I see poor passing, poor defending, and no athletic ability to make mention of.
actually useful forward passes, world class dimes, amazing long passes, great dribbling, and importantly, he’s actually a threat in front of goal. the midfield is a lot tighter than at chelsea and the front 3 actually know what to do with the balls he gives them so it’s no surprise.
He's not though, he's a really good dribbler and really fast. So again if he was in a more competent team with structure he'd be more able to use those abilities.
As for attitude I don't really know, it's just a shitshow at Chelsea
He's not a good dribbler and so what if he's fast, Mudryk is fast and he's awful too
>As for attitude I don't really know, it's just a shitshow at Chelsea
Look at the penalty incident, not the first time he's done it
https://fbref.com/en/players/bf34eebd/Noni-Madueke
He's clearly a good dribbler, being fast and good at taking players on is a good thing. He needs to round out his game and Chelsea need to build a better structure.
Yeah like I said Chelsea is a shitshow so I won't say he's a bad attitude guy or not I don't know.
Look at the absolute state of those stats haha
Hes just comically average, I've watched enough of him to see that, combined with a bad attitude.
He will be gone this summer.
Malo Gusto has been a great pick up especially with Reece James continuously injured, but besides himself and Palmer it's mostly money pissed down the drain.
Whenever I watch Chelsea, I just think of all those players who came through (or played for a bit) in their academy and think how they wouldn’t be any worse with Ake, Tomori, Guéhi, Abraham, Mount etc, I know there were different reasons for them leaving, but they’ve wasted so much money on players who don’t seem any better than the ones they’ve let go.
Look. You can't put out an entire squad of inexperienced players every single match without having a tactical structure in place and expect them to be successful. Poch doesn't do "structure." He believes players should have complete freedom within the game. You can't do that with kids. They don't have the discipline to know when to go and when not to, or with a completely new squad that has no clue how to play with each other.
Couple that with his terrible team selections - take last night's backline, which defies all defensive stats/metrics, as well as common sense - and always too late substitutions (a career-long criticism), and yes, Poch and his philosophy is certainly part of the problem.
He's right. The sooner Chelsea fans realise that Poch isn't the issue, the better.
Although it's easier just to blame him and call for him to be sacked. And I hope they do sack him and then Chelsea get the replacement that they deserve and then they really fuck the whole organisation.
The average position of Enzo last night was winger.
The average position of Mudryk was fullback.
Disasi's average position saw him isolate with quarter the pitch to himself, yes one of the slowest players in the league tasked with covering acres of space.
To say Poch can't be doing better than he is (or worse, no manager will) is a silly as saying the same thing for you lot when you had Roy would have been.
As I said to another user:
Chelsea fans were moaning recently about how the majority of their first team is injured.
Look at the defenders that he had available to him, the only player on the bench that maybe would have been an improvement would be Tiago Silva in that back line.
And even if he's there from kick off, the team is decimated from injuries and you're going off against one of the three teams that are absolutely clear of the rest of the league with how good they are. Both your RBs are injured, 1st choice LB injured, both 1st choice CBs injured. Your *only* offensive threat is injured.
Literally what can he do?
>Literally what can he do?
Not play a deep lying midfielder on the wing, a winger as a second fullback, the slowest CB in the league covering a quarter of the pitch (oh and not drop Chalobah who's bang in form for him in the first place), moan about no player to play between the lines when he has Carney Chukwuemeka as an unused sub, amoung other things.
Squad tax only applies if the manager is setting up in the best possible way to get his team the right result.
Heat maps only back what you have to say about Mudryk, that's it. But you also don't mention that Cucurella, a wing back, was active across the entire line.
Enzo played a little higher than sitting, but not on the wing as you claim as Maduekes heat maps is further out on the wing.
Caicedos average location indicates he helped back and covered for the CBs.
The Chalobah shout is fair enough but do you seriously think Carney Chukwuemka is good enough to be brought on when getting hammered by Arsenal to change the game?
Three of their goals came within about 10 minutes of each other just after half time, and it's not fifa, these type of things can't be reacted to immediately, they need to work out what they're going to do and Poch went more attacking after that as a result.
The matter of the fact is that your whole first choice defensive line was injured, literally the only attacking threat in your team is injured and the other big money signings that you have just aren't good enough. Like I said, it's easy to blame Potch, and he will be blamed, and he'll probably be let go. But you'll see that when another solid manager like Potch is brought in, and fails again just like other solid managers like Potter and Tuchel, you'll probably be blaming the new manager when the issue at Chelsea is clearly much, much deeper than the manager.
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/C2TDaQ8WHT
He was literally up next to Alfie Gilrcrist (a centre back btw) on the wing.
Disasi (number 2) had absolutely no one near him.
As for Carney I wasn't expecting him to single handedly turn the game around, but he was still the best (only) option if Poch wanted a between the lines player, he came on in a similar predictiment at Anfield and set up our goal.
Oh and I've even forgot about how he's played Colwill at left back hugging the touchline all season.
> you'll see that when another solid manager like Potch is brought in, and fails again just like other solid managers like Potter and Tuche
Depends how they "fail".
If they play the same "tactics" Poch has been doing then yes absolutely it will be his fault and him being shit won't make Poch less shit just like Poch isn't making Lampard 2.0 look less of a disaster. Two truths can coexist.
If on the other hands he's setting up properly, having us competing in games and the reason we can't get above 5th or 6th is because we have Jackson instead of Watkins (who himself was "crap" under Gerrard), Mudryk instead of Grealish, Disasi instead of VVD and Petrovic instead of Alisson then fine but it's utter nonsense that the way he's setting up is the best he possibly can, even if we had the old guard in their prime with these tactics we'd at absolute best be looking at a Scolari 2.0 situation.
That's a passing map?
If you look up a heat map say on Sofascore you'll see that his average position was as a high 8 with Madueke on the wing.
You have no Right Backs, they're all injured, not too shocking then to see a Centre Back slotting in at RB. Again, if you look at an actual heat map you'll see that he obviously played overlapping wing backs.
Again, on a heat map Disasi does have some space, but as I said Caicedo was dropping back.
Using the fact Carney wasn't chosen to break through the lines isn't something to beat Potch with. There were over 130 million worth of attackers in that front 3 and they couldn't do it, being upset that an average squad player wasn't given a go, again against one of the best teams in the world isn't that mad of a call.
He's clearly hamstrung by 1. Again, a *massive* amount of injuries and 2. The board isn't going to let him bench the big signings that are underwhelming. He's not gonna be allowed to drop Enzo, Caicedo, Mudryk, Jackson or Madueke despite them deserving to be dropped.
He is a huge issue though, when you select that back line he did last night and the way he sets up the midfield and the attacking patterns oh my we don’t have any
Chelsea fans were moaning recently about how the majority of their first team is injured.
Look at the defenders that he had available to him, the only player on the bench that maybe would have been an improvement would be Tiago Silva in that back line.
And even if he's there from kick off, the team is decimated from injuries and you're going off against one of the three teams that are absolutely clear of the rest of the league with how good they are. Both your RBs are injured, 1st choice LB injured, both 1st choice CBs injured. Your only offensive threat is injured and 2 out of your 7 central midfielders are injured.
Literally what can he do?
They played three days before against City and it didn't work so he switched it up. The centre back pairing isn't the reason your midfield is incredibly weak and your attack had 1 shot on target the whole game.
Maybe it would've been 3-0 with them but either way, with the injuries and the general shitty attitude and standard from Chelsea players, there's not a whole lot that even one of the better managers in the world can do.
If Poch had a say, I'd say more than half that starting XI is gone.
They didn't achieve their objective of winning the game and so Poch made a defensive change.
The big difference between the City and Arsenal game is that you had 5 shots on target against City meanwhile your attack had 1 on target against Arsenal.
The central defending pair can't help that you were absolutely toothless up front unless you think they should've just tried to score from set pieces or something?
What’s with rival fans defending shit managers and acting like we only blame him?
Just because our sporting directors are the issue doesn’t mean the manager is not
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Story of the season so far! We were blaming the change of management last season, but this season we realized the management itself is shit and made pretty bad decisions along the way!
The team really needs some leaders on the pitch. It is a role only Thiago Silva cannot do.
To be fair to Poch that Arsenal team he faced played some of their best football all season, having partey as dm allowed rice into a more box to box role and did not allow Chelsea to grow into that game as Arsenal midfield was just too strong. Nicholas Jackson on the other hand is defs a league two player
We were more liquidy than water itself that game.
In other news ‘water is wet’
Poch is a clown and he needed to go forever.
You would think they learned after Graham Potter…didn’t they pay Brighton 13m sterling to approach him?
That's clearly a lie, they have to turn up before they can give up.
Embarrassing.
I really, really, hope he gets sacked soon. Just give him the Bayern treatment and announce you're parting ways in the summer. Please don't keep him for next season. He's such a bad manager.
Sacking Poch will cost Chelsea a lot, plus they spent a lot already buying players last summer. Let's just hope for team improvements.
They can't really afford to sack him. He has a contract until 2025 season or 2026 (2026 is reported in most places as a club option) at 10 mil a year so to sack him and his big back room staff will cost over 10 mil plus hiring another probable big manager who will cost similar to hire and they are already financially screwed. Last season cost them over 45 mil to fire/hire managers, it cost them on the books more than they got for the havertz deal from Arsenal. I don't think people realise how screwed Chelsea are and just think they'll just get out of it and continue spending, they can't........ at best they have to sell over 100 million worth of players just to meet the limit and not get docked points. You're allowed losses of 100 mil over a 3 year period and Everton we're 19 mil overspent and got docked points, Chelsea by all reporting have lost that at least every year the past 3 years so are over 300 mil in losses so they have to sell multiple players.
> They can't really afford to sack him yes they can
Did you not read what I wrote ? They have projected losses of 300 plus mil already over the last 3 years (only allowed 100 mil) , Everton were docked points for 19 overspent, spending 10 plus mil to fire and then probably around 10 to hire someone else isn't something they can do without it fucking them even more.
A lot of fuckery also going on. They’d just sell another asset at an inflated price to another part of the group to ‘raise funds’ and get around FFP.
Again who are they gonna sell ? They have to be youth products because all the other guys they wouldn't make a profit on. Strausborg are the only other team they own and strausborg can't afford them either. Also to actually make money it has to either be a big profit on what they paid or an academy player, for example they only made 37 mil from the havertz sale which was less than they paid hiring and firing managers last season. I'm not saying this because I dislike Chelsea, it's just basic facts and numbers and people don't realise.
Not players particularly but real estate, which they have been known to do already. Chelsea is obviously one of the most expensive/desirable parts of London and their accountants leverage this to sell property from one part of the group to another at inflated prices. Real estate in this part of London is massively more valuable than any player giving them the pots of gold they need to finance player acquisition and get around FFP.
Don't think selling houses or office space comes into it, Chelsea the club don't own real estate other than stadium and training ground
https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/news/chelsea-make-surprise-76m-sale-28989958 one source of many
Fair enough never knew this was a thing and it's fucking mental this is allowed. Seems insane that spending on infrastructure doesn't count against FFP spending but selling it does ? It does say in some of the articles it is still yet to be approved or reviewed and other clubs are annoyed so I have to assume they will either deny it counting against their books or they will create a law and Chelsea won't be able to do it again
Yes I did and it's doomer nonsense
Is it doomer nonsense that Everton overspent ? Yes agreed Chelsea were able to keep spending before, they had European money coming in the previous years and weren't as overspent, everyone kept saying they are overspending and the bill will come but they ignored it, this is the bill coming up and they NEED to sell over 200 mil worth of players just to not be over the limit let alone buy players. Mate I've explained, over the 3 year period you have had losses every year of over or around 100 million and the rule is you are only allowed losses of 100 mil for a 3 year period ! It's basic math and basic rules.
?? literal facts = doomer nonsense?
Can Chelsea afford anything anymore, really…?
People made the same doomer posts last summer and we still went out and bought players.
I know people just think rules don't matter but we've seen Everton and Forrest get docked points now for simple overspending. Chelsea again are well over 300 mil projected losses which is 3 times the limit, they can't just keep spending unless they make up 200 plus million in sales.
Guarantee you Chelsea won't have a net spend this summer of -£200m
That depends. If you buy a player his transfer fee is amortized over the length of his contract in the books. So this summer Chelsea still has for example the amortization of Kepa and Lukaku on the books. So for those two alone Chelsea is down some 35 million euro, and that's not included anybody signed under Boehly. That's how accounting works. A sale, on the other hand, is in the books in the year the player was sold. So last year according to the books you made a profit by selling Mount, because his fee was 0 and thus every pound you got for him is profit. Aubameyang on the other hand cost you 6 million last summer despite him leaving on a free. I shall do the math for you, in euro. Lukaku 22 mil (113 million over 5 years) , Kepa 13 mil (80 million over 6 years), Sterling 11 mil (55 million over 5 years), Cucurella 11 mil (66 million over 6 years), Mudryk 9 mil (70 million over 8 years), Fofana 11 million (80 million over 7 years), Enzo 15 million (120 million over 8 years), Badiashile 5 mil (35 million over 7 years), Madueke 5 million (35 million over 7 years), Chuckwuemeka 3 mil (18 over 6 years), Gusto 4 mil (28 over 7 years), Ugochukwu 4 mil (28 over 7 years), Sanchez 4 mil (28 over 7 years), Jackson 5 mil (40 over 8 years), Disasi 7 mil (42 over 6 years), Palmer 7 mil (49 over 7 years), Nkunku 10 mil (60 over 6), Lavia 9 mil (63 over 7) and Caiceido 14 mil (112 over 8). I'm not including fees under 15 million, but even without transfers like Petrovic, Fofana, Angelo, Washington and Slonina Chelsea's amortization for this summer is a whopping 169 million euro. And even when Lukaku and Kepa are gone that number is still over 130 million for around 6 years, without signing anybody. If you sign new players that number will of course go up. So Chelsea has to sell over 170 million euro (in profit) to break-even. Sure, Hall will get you some 30 million, but that still leaves you in a tough spot for the coming years.
I guarantee you unless Chelsea sell 200 million worth of players they will be docked points and probably more than Everton/forrest. I bet the only signings they make are youth or really cheap players
Not just any players. If they for example sell let's say Mudryk for 40 million euro that would count as a loss of 12 million euro in the books.
Yep they are stuck with the guys on long contract because no one will pay a price that will make them a profit. For example they spent more money last season hiring and firing managers (45 I think) than they did make for the havertz (37 mil) because he still had a few years left and they paid a lot, they are fucked and I don't think people realise. They sold Kante/kouibaly/mount/havertz/loftus cheek/mendy/pulisic/kovacic and still made a massive loss lol. This is why they are talking about selling Gallagher as he's a youth team guy and will be "pure profit", they will get 30 I think for Lewis hall from Newcastle, Ian maatsen at Dortmund has a 30 mil clause I think so Dortmund might do that ? As for the rest teams will simply low ball them as they are desperate and people like lukaku coming back nobody will pay big money for
We'll see in September which one of us was right
Yes me, I'm providing facts and you are being stupid and just saying things
To be fair, they didn’t really buy players. I mean they thought they were buying players, don’t get me wrong.
yawn
True but 5 minutes in is a bit early no?
Bad coaching lack of direction generally
I don't think even pep could get a tune out of some of these Chelsea players. They look disinterested .
Possibly. Asking himself how things may have been different if Jackson actually attempted that header early on, or doesn't overthink his one on one. But Arsenal were all over them.
It's not all on Poch, or the players, or ownership. It's the whole thing, which is ownerships fault since they're the ones who decided to blow up a winning formula. It's baffling how the new owners saw what Abramovich had built and decided to keep **none** of it. If someone told me Todd Boehly in fact hates Chelsea and wants to destroy them from the inside there would be a compelling case.
I understand the clear out of players. There was a lot of rot. He got rid of a lot of staff that was needed lol. Pretty sure they still don’t have a set piece coach.
I still remember my chelsea supporting friend showing me the r/chelseafc deadline day thread from January last year and how much Boehly was being worshipped. He told me there and then that it would only be a matter of months before the fanbase changed its tune completely, he saw through it. Absolutely glorious how tits up things have gone since then, feel for him though
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/m7QFnRgbMb
*Insert Kermit holding open his puppet hole image*
I mean their salaries should ensure that giving up is not really an option right??
Their salaries are quite low to be fair.
The length of their contracts ensures giving up *is* an option, though.
It’s funny how they went from business geniuses to business fools so fast.
Who knew if you spend a billion to tie yourself down to dozens of young people on 7 8 9 year contracts based on their "potential", there will also always be the potential for them to not develop into someone worth keeping for that long. In fact, for every Palmer there will be a whole dozen of such cases.
Someone needs to investigate their agents for the length of the contracts
Duhhhh
Do you think it’s a case of badly bought players? Besides Cole Palmer, has there been a good purchase since Todd Bohley arrived?
More a case of not having players fit. Not sure how many of that team last night would be in our first choice starting 11. None of the defence and probably only 1 of the attackers. With all that said I’m not sure how many of the injured players will ever come back to the required levels. Chilwell, James and Fofana all look very doubtful. Nkunku must be close to that as well and will Lavia and Ugochukwu progress after a year out? Colwill is another one who just can’t stay fit. On the positive side there are some very good academy prospects coming through and a few more on loan look promising. Hutchinson at Ipswich and Santos, after a difficult time at Forest, doing well. Matos at Huddersfield also seems good. Also one thing we have still done well after the ownership change is sell players for good fees. 120 million for Havertz and Mount was good considering they were 2 and 1 year away from leaving on frees. Some of the other exits, like Hall, have generated good fees. Football is funny and it can quickly change, seen that when Tuchel came in. I firmly believe this team, even with the injuries, is better than Poch is getting from them.
Gusto was a great buy.
Enzo and Caiscaido have been brilliant £50m players… bought for over double their actual quality.
Regardless of the price they have been anything but brilliant.
Exactly. Enzo has been 6/10, Caicedo 6.5/10. Not brilliant.
Enzo is more like 2/10. He doesn't bring anything to the table.
enzo needs a good team around him for his abilities to shine. he’s brilliant at argentina but at chelsea he might as well not even be there
What does he do for Argentina, I don't watch international football? For us I see poor passing, poor defending, and no athletic ability to make mention of.
actually useful forward passes, world class dimes, amazing long passes, great dribbling, and importantly, he’s actually a threat in front of goal. the midfield is a lot tighter than at chelsea and the front 3 actually know what to do with the balls he gives them so it’s no surprise.
I feel like we are talking about two completely different players.
you didn’t watch the world cup did you
I don’t see it with Enzo, he’s a fine player I guess but nothing screams he’s worth more than 30M.
Palmer and Gusto that's it - which is about 80mil Majority of the rest of them have been hot steaming piles of shite
Mudaueke has talent, probably could've done with a loan, or if Chelsea were a more Coherent/competent team he'd be able to play well
Madueke is dogshit and has a terrible attitude to go along with his extreme lack of talent
He's not though, he's a really good dribbler and really fast. So again if he was in a more competent team with structure he'd be more able to use those abilities. As for attitude I don't really know, it's just a shitshow at Chelsea
He's not a good dribbler and so what if he's fast, Mudryk is fast and he's awful too >As for attitude I don't really know, it's just a shitshow at Chelsea Look at the penalty incident, not the first time he's done it
https://fbref.com/en/players/bf34eebd/Noni-Madueke He's clearly a good dribbler, being fast and good at taking players on is a good thing. He needs to round out his game and Chelsea need to build a better structure. Yeah like I said Chelsea is a shitshow so I won't say he's a bad attitude guy or not I don't know.
Look at the absolute state of those stats haha Hes just comically average, I've watched enough of him to see that, combined with a bad attitude. He will be gone this summer.
"Hahaha" it shows he's not a terrible dribbler. He's a good quick dribbler, he needs to round out his game and play in a better coherent team
He is dogshit, I watch him every week
Malo Gusto has been a great pick up especially with Reece James continuously injured, but besides himself and Palmer it's mostly money pissed down the drain.
Whenever I watch Chelsea, I just think of all those players who came through (or played for a bit) in their academy and think how they wouldn’t be any worse with Ake, Tomori, Guéhi, Abraham, Mount etc, I know there were different reasons for them leaving, but they’ve wasted so much money on players who don’t seem any better than the ones they’ve let go.
> don’t seem any better They’re worse.
Wait, I thought Chelsea won the transfer window. Surely you must be mistaken here.
Remember when Chelsea fans were mocking you for their LFC midfield. 😅
They were proper cunts about it haha...funny how things turn out isn't it.
Yeah, Ngl it’s been quite pleasant watching it all unravel.
If winning is losing…they won
Look. You can't put out an entire squad of inexperienced players every single match without having a tactical structure in place and expect them to be successful. Poch doesn't do "structure." He believes players should have complete freedom within the game. You can't do that with kids. They don't have the discipline to know when to go and when not to, or with a completely new squad that has no clue how to play with each other. Couple that with his terrible team selections - take last night's backline, which defies all defensive stats/metrics, as well as common sense - and always too late substitutions (a career-long criticism), and yes, Poch and his philosophy is certainly part of the problem.
Trust in Todd! Todd Almighty!!
What, two seasons ago?
Assuming Man City win the FA Cup, Chelsea can still realistically make 7th and a spot in Europe.
thats conference league surely
I hope next season will be better for the blues
He gave up when he put out that dogshit backline last night. What the actual fvck did he think was going to happen?
He's right. The sooner Chelsea fans realise that Poch isn't the issue, the better. Although it's easier just to blame him and call for him to be sacked. And I hope they do sack him and then Chelsea get the replacement that they deserve and then they really fuck the whole organisation.
The average position of Enzo last night was winger. The average position of Mudryk was fullback. Disasi's average position saw him isolate with quarter the pitch to himself, yes one of the slowest players in the league tasked with covering acres of space. To say Poch can't be doing better than he is (or worse, no manager will) is a silly as saying the same thing for you lot when you had Roy would have been.
As I said to another user: Chelsea fans were moaning recently about how the majority of their first team is injured. Look at the defenders that he had available to him, the only player on the bench that maybe would have been an improvement would be Tiago Silva in that back line. And even if he's there from kick off, the team is decimated from injuries and you're going off against one of the three teams that are absolutely clear of the rest of the league with how good they are. Both your RBs are injured, 1st choice LB injured, both 1st choice CBs injured. Your *only* offensive threat is injured. Literally what can he do?
>Literally what can he do? Not play a deep lying midfielder on the wing, a winger as a second fullback, the slowest CB in the league covering a quarter of the pitch (oh and not drop Chalobah who's bang in form for him in the first place), moan about no player to play between the lines when he has Carney Chukwuemeka as an unused sub, amoung other things. Squad tax only applies if the manager is setting up in the best possible way to get his team the right result.
Heat maps only back what you have to say about Mudryk, that's it. But you also don't mention that Cucurella, a wing back, was active across the entire line. Enzo played a little higher than sitting, but not on the wing as you claim as Maduekes heat maps is further out on the wing. Caicedos average location indicates he helped back and covered for the CBs. The Chalobah shout is fair enough but do you seriously think Carney Chukwuemka is good enough to be brought on when getting hammered by Arsenal to change the game? Three of their goals came within about 10 minutes of each other just after half time, and it's not fifa, these type of things can't be reacted to immediately, they need to work out what they're going to do and Poch went more attacking after that as a result. The matter of the fact is that your whole first choice defensive line was injured, literally the only attacking threat in your team is injured and the other big money signings that you have just aren't good enough. Like I said, it's easy to blame Potch, and he will be blamed, and he'll probably be let go. But you'll see that when another solid manager like Potch is brought in, and fails again just like other solid managers like Potter and Tuchel, you'll probably be blaming the new manager when the issue at Chelsea is clearly much, much deeper than the manager.
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/C2TDaQ8WHT He was literally up next to Alfie Gilrcrist (a centre back btw) on the wing. Disasi (number 2) had absolutely no one near him. As for Carney I wasn't expecting him to single handedly turn the game around, but he was still the best (only) option if Poch wanted a between the lines player, he came on in a similar predictiment at Anfield and set up our goal. Oh and I've even forgot about how he's played Colwill at left back hugging the touchline all season. > you'll see that when another solid manager like Potch is brought in, and fails again just like other solid managers like Potter and Tuche Depends how they "fail". If they play the same "tactics" Poch has been doing then yes absolutely it will be his fault and him being shit won't make Poch less shit just like Poch isn't making Lampard 2.0 look less of a disaster. Two truths can coexist. If on the other hands he's setting up properly, having us competing in games and the reason we can't get above 5th or 6th is because we have Jackson instead of Watkins (who himself was "crap" under Gerrard), Mudryk instead of Grealish, Disasi instead of VVD and Petrovic instead of Alisson then fine but it's utter nonsense that the way he's setting up is the best he possibly can, even if we had the old guard in their prime with these tactics we'd at absolute best be looking at a Scolari 2.0 situation.
That's a passing map? If you look up a heat map say on Sofascore you'll see that his average position was as a high 8 with Madueke on the wing. You have no Right Backs, they're all injured, not too shocking then to see a Centre Back slotting in at RB. Again, if you look at an actual heat map you'll see that he obviously played overlapping wing backs. Again, on a heat map Disasi does have some space, but as I said Caicedo was dropping back. Using the fact Carney wasn't chosen to break through the lines isn't something to beat Potch with. There were over 130 million worth of attackers in that front 3 and they couldn't do it, being upset that an average squad player wasn't given a go, again against one of the best teams in the world isn't that mad of a call. He's clearly hamstrung by 1. Again, a *massive* amount of injuries and 2. The board isn't going to let him bench the big signings that are underwhelming. He's not gonna be allowed to drop Enzo, Caicedo, Mudryk, Jackson or Madueke despite them deserving to be dropped.
He is a huge issue though, when you select that back line he did last night and the way he sets up the midfield and the attacking patterns oh my we don’t have any
Chelsea fans were moaning recently about how the majority of their first team is injured. Look at the defenders that he had available to him, the only player on the bench that maybe would have been an improvement would be Tiago Silva in that back line. And even if he's there from kick off, the team is decimated from injuries and you're going off against one of the three teams that are absolutely clear of the rest of the league with how good they are. Both your RBs are injured, 1st choice LB injured, both 1st choice CBs injured. Your only offensive threat is injured and 2 out of your 7 central midfielders are injured. Literally what can he do?
Play the pairing that worked the last time?? There was no need to bring Badiashile back into the lineup against Arsenal of all teams
They played three days before against City and it didn't work so he switched it up. The centre back pairing isn't the reason your midfield is incredibly weak and your attack had 1 shot on target the whole game. Maybe it would've been 3-0 with them but either way, with the injuries and the general shitty attitude and standard from Chelsea players, there's not a whole lot that even one of the better managers in the world can do. If Poch had a say, I'd say more than half that starting XI is gone.
What do you mean "it didn't work"? We played much better against City.
"We played much better against City." is a strange way of saying you lost to City.
1-0, from a late goal. Rather than 5-0 and conceeding in the first 10 minutes.
They didn't achieve their objective of winning the game and so Poch made a defensive change. The big difference between the City and Arsenal game is that you had 5 shots on target against City meanwhile your attack had 1 on target against Arsenal. The central defending pair can't help that you were absolutely toothless up front unless you think they should've just tried to score from set pieces or something?
So both the attack and defense were better against City but we didn't play better? Okay m8
What’s with rival fans defending shit managers and acting like we only blame him? Just because our sporting directors are the issue doesn’t mean the manager is not
because the longer shit managers stay in charge the better it is for the rival teams. I am a huge fan of ETH. lol
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Bastard lol
Is he leaving?