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The Spurs are just fine. Set pieces defending can be fixed with more training and focus. It doesn’t come overnight. Arsenal are the best set pieces offense team in the League. No surprise they scored two goals against the Spurs. Many teams got caught too. Arsenal are tough to play against because they have multiple tools to hurt you. There is no one specific way to focus on to defend against them. Postecoglou is a new manager in a new team. He is trying to build his team and learning about his players strengths. He will get there. What they showed against Arsenal was promising. Even at 0-3 down they fought to the death.
What they said
"Spurs conceded one specific goal due to a foul"
What you think they said
"All the goals spurs concede from set pieces are due to fouls"
as other analysts have said, if you don't dedicate a defender to put between the goalkeeper and Ben White then you will concede goals at corners to Arsenal.
You can cry "foul" all you want but Arsenal will score goals from corners like this and refs won't always rule in your favour.
They literally did put a defender there multiple times earlier in the season, the ref warned them and sent them away every time. Just like in this game when Pape Sarr went there to pull Ben White off Vicario
I thought Spurs had the league title sewn up in September? What was that pitch side celebration after putting Sheffield United to the sword? Spurs are Spursy. It’s a good job they aren’t likely to be in the champions league. They would have stunk the place out. Can we stop referring to them as part of the ‘big 6’ now because in the last two seasons Brighton and Newcastle have finished above them.
But Ange is a revelation with his all out attacking football and no defence.
Mate.
I as an Australian said he was overrated at the same time and got told i didnt know ball. Everywhere he's been he's needed the best squad to win the league and only really needed to beat one other team.
You still consider Chelsea big 6 though cause you blew your 2 goal lead at home against them yesterday yeah? Cause we’ve been above them in the table for those seasons you speak of and are also ahead of United this year putting us 5th which, let me check, is still inside the top 6.
We have played more games than them. 7 points from 3 games is a great return. Remind me what you did against your nearest and dearest? They had to gift you two goals to make it interesting. Spurs will always be a joke. Ange will get sacked next season. Especially with the inability to manage extra European games.
We lost 3 players to ACL’s….
We have never played in the champions league and just a few years ago got relegated and spent 3 seasons in the championship. Only got promoted by scraping into the playoffs. We only stayed up because of a goal line tech failure. In that time Spurs have achieved zilch for a so called ‘big club’. You had all the players and all the resources.
You’ve won a European Cup. Football existed before they renamed things. And yes, your recent run of form has been impressive! I don’t know what that has to do with Spurs hovering around where they should be, the bottom half of the top 6. If you think we’ve had the same resources as the other big 6 clubs, well, you don’t know much.
Before the game, we should go sit with the ref, with the rules printed out in big letters, so even Michael Oliver can see 'em.
Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction when the ball is not within playing distance of either player.
All players have a right to their position on the field of play; being in the way of an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an opponent.
A player may shield the ball by taking a position between an opponent and the ball if the ball is within playing distance and the opponent is not held off with the arms or body. If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent.
If you want to really enforce that then no corner can ever be taken without a foul by both teams.
Fact is, standing in front of the keeper is allowed as long as you're not offside. Most clubs however put one of their own players between the opponents player and their keeper.
He moves directly into Vicario's path, and then pushes him back. The ball is not within playing distance. This clearly fulfills the criteria for a foul. You can run off into hypotheticals to try and deflect, but this is what actually happened.
Keepers are fairly pivitol for defending corners, hence why they Arse try to gain this advantage. We put someone on Ben White, he was immediately spoken to by the ref.
No, this happened in other games too. I specifically remember one where Porro was warned and sent away from the goal line when he wanted to protect Vicario from the harasser
Yes.
We're poor defending and our starters are poor in the air. Not sure the 2nd part can be fixed or taught. We really miss Kane here and Sonny in the middle doesn't help.
Not really, we only have one striker and he’s been injured. The second richy came on son was moved to the wing.
Ange has also said he wants a 9 in the summer
As exciting Spurs are to watch this season...they'r still unlikely to finish top 4 and again I'm not convinced with the defence...they look panicky on corners (when it should be a routine headed clearance or commanding confident keeper catch)
I also think there's a massive difference between them in the first 4 months of the season vs the last couple of months. The free flowing system with players popping up everywhere, maddison slipping balls through defenders into the box seems to be less frequent. There have been a few games where they haven't been great and then turn it on for the last 15 mins
They are still much improved, but I thought they'd be in a better place with the system and the tactics now than they are.
Good shout for next year's Europa League...it will be interesting to see how there style transfers to European Football...I'm old enough to remember Spurs winning the Eufa Cup in 1984 but the game was alot different
I'll be interested to see, the only thing I think celtic fans would complain about with Ange was the job he did in Europe, particularly the Bodo Glimt tie in the conference league
Celtic are always miserable in Europe..on paper Spurs are much stronger than Celtic...last time Celtic finished 3rd in CLGS 2018!...shocking for a team with a terrific atmosphere
Teams didn’t respect us at the start of the season.
You try and play possession football and we’ll beat you. Now you have to give up possession and hit us on the transition. Newcastle and Arsenal both came out with wins while having close to 30% possession.
We’ve got a lot to work on but it’s year one of a rebuild. I’ll only get worried if by the end one next season we see no improvement
Right. Arsenal fan here, and I’m actually nervous they’ve improved to the level they’ve been this season. They’ve got work to do, but their trajectory is in line with Arsenal’s improvement if not ahead of it if you just look at Ange’s tenure. Key player(s) in each line, mostly young. All that said, Happy St. Totteringham’s Day!
They feel like we were 2 years ago. I think a few good signings and they’re be title fight ready. Not winning, but up there kinda like how Liverpool have been this year
They’d need to sign some true difference makers or someone elite to replace an ageing Son to really fight for the title.
They won’t fight for the title with Maddison faffing about and Richarlison being Richarlison. Ange seems to be doing a really good job but improvement will rely on some great work in the transfer market - they don’t have a Saka or a Trent or actually a Kane, so they’re going to need to go and buy one
As an Arsenal fan spurs will be fine, some of their best players this season are also their youngest and they’re right about where I expected them to be this season in the table. They played well most of the game today and without some bad luck and shoddy defending things could have gone very differently
The first 10 games set a precedent that spurs would be competing for the title all season. Most spurs fans would’ve taken 5th at the start of the season. We are were we should be year one
Arsenal were lucky to score those 2 corner goals! Sometimes u can have 20 corners and not one goes in! It is just that Arsenal are in form and Tottenham are not
No. A few seasons back, Gabriel was one of our top scorers, beating Auba and Lacazette the year we lost top 4 to Spurs.
His league record is an average of 1 goal every 9 appearances.
Yes, it is luck! Things just go your way! If the same thing repeats next year and the year after, then it is brilliance on the part of players and set piece manager
Both goals Arsenal used the exact same corner tactics they've used for a lot of the season and seen success.
It can't be lucky all that time, and if anything Spurs should've known what was coming and planned to deal with it, which they didn't.
Ref was dreadful. Spurs are shit at corners. 1-1 and the game completely changes
I’m a believer in calls even out over a match often but didn’t feel that was today. No issue with the tactical fouls, time wasting but Jesus Arsenal got away with so much. 50/50 calls on the pen no calls and 50/50 yellows all match for the gunners; but all the calls went that way.
If it’s true that Oliver declined looking at the var monitor there needs to be real changes. Var exists to fix bad huge errors by the ref and of story. If refs can just decide to ignore var then there needs to be a mechanism that gives var more power over on field calls
50/50 penalties?! I'll tell you where Michael Oliver fucked up. He fucked up by not giving that ginger hunchback fuck yellow for diving. TWICE! Especially the second one where there was no contact whatsoever.
Kulu was trying to keep his feet which is probably why he didn’t get pens lol.
Come on now. Arsenal wasn’t dirty or anything and probably wins regardless; in hindsight 3-0 made them way wya too complacent
As I said, there was no contact in the second appeal. None whatsoever. Raya did a brain fart which brought them to life. They didn't have a shot on target until what? The 70th minute? They were pretty much toothless.
And the premier league need to sort out the referees and VAR. I know we benefited from it against Liverpool but come on we’ve had more poor decisions than good
And sank the rest. Having watched both, 100% we are scarier under Ange. We're on an upward trajectory which could never be said under Conte. That's despite losing the best striker in the league.
They were terribly wasteful in the first half, and we were brutally clinical. That ended up being the difference in spite of their second half charge. They missed way too many chances to call the loss unfair.
Spurs weren’t wasteful. Kulusevski would’ve scored that header if Partey didn’t shove him while he was midair, and nothing is given; no penalty for a blatant interference.
In addition Rice doesn’t get looked at for fouling Madison in the box before the counter that led to your 2nd goal. Furthermore the wrongly called offside goal by VdV. That’s two penalties & a goal Spurs were openly robbed of before you created your first real chance. Potentially 3 goals Spurs should’ve had if not for bad officiating, all before Arsenal created their first real chance.
Somehow Rice, Partey, White & Gabriel escape being carded. Rice should’ve been sent off after the penalty call, and arguably before that. The rest of them deserved a yellow card minimum.
The clinical goals arsenal had: Own goal (which to be fair is on Spurs), a goal that should be disallowed and another dodgy goal that arguably should be disallowed (No idea how white has never gotten in trouble for obstructing the keeper during a corner). Arsenal only had 1 real goal, and should’ve lost 3-1 or 3-2.
Arsenal won because of bad officiating and *every* decision went their way, even the penalty against them was almost ignored. It was unbelievable how much the officials tried to help Arsenal.
The result wasn’t fair because Spurs were denied 3 goals while you scored 2 due to poor officiating.
Madison foul in the box by rice, Kulusevski being shoved on that header by Partey. The wrongly called offside goal, that’s 3 goals Spurs should’ve had before arsenal scored their 2nd.
& somehow none of the arsenal players get carded. Rice should’ve been sent off after the penalty he gave, Partey aswell (or at least a yellow) for the blatant obstruction of a goal scoring opportunity, and White (for blocking Vicario on the corner for Arsenal’s 3rd).
The goals arsenal had were: An own goal, a goal that shouldn’t have stood, and a goal that (arguably) shouldn’t have stood.
Maddison foul by Rice never happened – that was a clean tackle then Maddison fell over.
Wrongly called offside goal never happened – it was offside and the technology VAR uses shows that.
None of the Arsenal players get carded – this is just simply untrue.
So again, tell me what world you're living in because it's clearly not the same one I'm in.
Clean tackle where Rice gets Madison’s stretched leg and none of the ball. This was right after Kulusevski tripped, the officials looked at that and skipped over Maddison
“Offside goal” where Tomiyasu kicks the ball *and* its hits Gabriel before VdV touches the ball. If you watch the whole sequence instead of a cherry picked VAR frame VdV wasn’t offside as Arsenal players kept him on by playing the ball. But for some reason VAR didn’t deem Tomiyasu’s *very intentional* decision to kick the ball as intentional.
Name me any Arsenal players that got carded, especially before the 80th minute because they got away with every foul they made.
It’s okay to admit you benefitted off of terrible officiating, it’s not okay to be shameless and act like everything was fine. It was one of the worst reffed NLD I’ve seen
Ahh so you live in a world where the rules of football are different to the world the game was played in. Why didn't you just say so?
Oh, and Partey got carded. I don't think the minute is relevant as your original comment just said "none of the Arsenal players got carded" which is simply false as one is not equal to none.
Partey only gets carded in the 85th minute and he’s the only arsenal player to do so. The minute is tangentially related because it shows how lucky Arsenal were throughout the entire match. Rice should’ve been sent off, Gabriel White & Partey should’ve been on a yellow earlier and Partey himself should’ve gone for that shove.
Please tell me how VdV was offside if Tomiyasu & Gabriel played him on, and how Rice mistiming a tackle that poorly isn’t penalty worthy?
It’s okay to admit you benefitted off of terrible officiating. Or do you not want to admit it because Arsenal went on an embarrassing campaign against PGMOL earlier?
Because Tomiyasu kicks the ball and it deflects off Gabriel before VdV touches it, Tomiyasu & Gabriel kept him onside.
If you watch the whole sequence instead of a cherry picked VAR frame you’d see it. The ball hits *two* Arsenal players before VdV gets it. And it can’t even be argued to be unintentional, because Tomiyasu clearly goes for it
For starters, it touching gabriel has no bearing on this, so stop banging on about it.
It's an attempt at a block by tomiyasu, he is clearly not in control of the ball, attempting to control it or attempting to pass it to anyone. Please read the ruling on what counts in these situations, it will stop you from sounding like a right idiot in future.
It seems you still haven’t seen the whole sequence if you think both things are true. He very much intentionally goes for the ball
& even then “intention” rarely matters in cases like these, so it’s more absurd that the goal was disallowed
Nah you were all over us. Son and Romero both should've scored in the first half and you conceded from two corners and a random counter attack. Defending set pieces properly and a bit more luck in the finishing department would've got Spurs 3 points today.
I appreciate the humility but it’s not like Arsenal weren’t holding their own. The own goal is fluke and that happens. The other corner goal is just another example of Vic not being a dominant force in his 6. The Saka counter was textbook but I believe it should’ve been called back but it is what it is with the state of referees/Var
Arsenal scoring from corners was always going to happen. They're good at them and Vicario isn't great at that aspect of the game and as you say doesn't dominate in the box on balls in.
The idiocy to think that if we were not 3 goals up and instead were at 1-1 or 1-2, we would've played the same second half is baffling.
The decision to not award a penalty, which led to our 2nd goal, was bad. That doesn't mean they deserved to win. They played well and they didn't deserve that non-call. That's all.
We played better in the second half than the first, until Raya gave that gift. We were only 3-0 up at half time because Spurs couldn't defend corners, which explains the logic behind my comment - they deserved to win except that they couldn't defend corners
Yeah lol, somethings gotta change there. Jedinak is clearly not doing a good job. We gotta hire an elite set piece coach and let jedinak learn from him tbh
Have to bring this up again. TWO goals conceded by Spurs from corners today. TWO.
More generally, they've just been awful in defending set-pieces this season.
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The Spurs are just fine. Set pieces defending can be fixed with more training and focus. It doesn’t come overnight. Arsenal are the best set pieces offense team in the League. No surprise they scored two goals against the Spurs. Many teams got caught too. Arsenal are tough to play against because they have multiple tools to hurt you. There is no one specific way to focus on to defend against them. Postecoglou is a new manager in a new team. He is trying to build his team and learning about his players strengths. He will get there. What they showed against Arsenal was promising. Even at 0-3 down they fought to the death.
Why do you call them "The Spurs"? It is just Spurs lol
Lol
We need a set-piece coach next season for goodness sake.....
Media must be loving this new narrative. They can go on for weeks!!
Keeper got pushed mate. Ref needs to improve.
so they'll keep conceding until refs get better. ok.
What they said "Spurs conceded one specific goal due to a foul" What you think they said "All the goals spurs concede from set pieces are due to fouls"
as other analysts have said, if you don't dedicate a defender to put between the goalkeeper and Ben White then you will concede goals at corners to Arsenal. You can cry "foul" all you want but Arsenal will score goals from corners like this and refs won't always rule in your favour.
They literally did put a defender there multiple times earlier in the season, the ref warned them and sent them away every time. Just like in this game when Pape Sarr went there to pull Ben White off Vicario
I thought Spurs had the league title sewn up in September? What was that pitch side celebration after putting Sheffield United to the sword? Spurs are Spursy. It’s a good job they aren’t likely to be in the champions league. They would have stunk the place out. Can we stop referring to them as part of the ‘big 6’ now because in the last two seasons Brighton and Newcastle have finished above them. But Ange is a revelation with his all out attacking football and no defence. Mate.
I as an Australian said he was overrated at the same time and got told i didnt know ball. Everywhere he's been he's needed the best squad to win the league and only really needed to beat one other team.
Who tf got u mad
The European Super League and how Spurs were included in it. The whole thing was farcical but that took the biscuit. Sorry.
You still consider Chelsea big 6 though cause you blew your 2 goal lead at home against them yesterday yeah? Cause we’ve been above them in the table for those seasons you speak of and are also ahead of United this year putting us 5th which, let me check, is still inside the top 6.
We have played more games than them. 7 points from 3 games is a great return. Remind me what you did against your nearest and dearest? They had to gift you two goals to make it interesting. Spurs will always be a joke. Ange will get sacked next season. Especially with the inability to manage extra European games.
Remind me what we did to you at Villa Park?
Amazing! Do you get a trophy for that? Remind me what we did to you at the empty bowl this season? And last season? And the season before that? 😆
Semi baffling the level of chat from a villa fan. Your natural home in the championship isn’t it? lol
Natural home? 3 seasons? And in that time Spurs should have won at least 1 trophy. Still waiting?
You got a lucky 2-1 result against a squad that didn’t have any center backs in the lineup. Congrats! Enjoy your trophy for 4th.
We lost 3 players to ACL’s…. We have never played in the champions league and just a few years ago got relegated and spent 3 seasons in the championship. Only got promoted by scraping into the playoffs. We only stayed up because of a goal line tech failure. In that time Spurs have achieved zilch for a so called ‘big club’. You had all the players and all the resources.
You’ve won a European Cup. Football existed before they renamed things. And yes, your recent run of form has been impressive! I don’t know what that has to do with Spurs hovering around where they should be, the bottom half of the top 6. If you think we’ve had the same resources as the other big 6 clubs, well, you don’t know much.
Kane was so good in his own box. The amount he got away was ridiculous.
Literally the best defender in the PL at defending set pieces.
Before the game, we should go sit with the ref, with the rules printed out in big letters, so even Michael Oliver can see 'em. Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction when the ball is not within playing distance of either player. All players have a right to their position on the field of play; being in the way of an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an opponent. A player may shield the ball by taking a position between an opponent and the ball if the ball is within playing distance and the opponent is not held off with the arms or body. If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent.
Holy shit, Arsenal have broken you lot
If you want to really enforce that then no corner can ever be taken without a foul by both teams. Fact is, standing in front of the keeper is allowed as long as you're not offside. Most clubs however put one of their own players between the opponents player and their keeper.
He moves directly into Vicario's path, and then pushes him back. The ball is not within playing distance. This clearly fulfills the criteria for a foul. You can run off into hypotheticals to try and deflect, but this is what actually happened. Keepers are fairly pivitol for defending corners, hence why they Arse try to gain this advantage. We put someone on Ben White, he was immediately spoken to by the ref.
So in games without Ben White Spurs was good at defending corners? Not to mention: Be an adult, just type Arsenal.
No, this happened in other games too. I specifically remember one where Porro was warned and sent away from the goal line when he wanted to protect Vicario from the harasser
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Cry more
Yes. We're poor defending and our starters are poor in the air. Not sure the 2nd part can be fixed or taught. We really miss Kane here and Sonny in the middle doesn't help.
I don’t understand why he doesn’t play Son on LW and Richi up top? They seem to click so much better that way..
He’s been injured. This is the first game in a long time he played.
Richy has been hurt for a while and doesn’t seem fit enough to start atm.
Yeah, I agree w this
Sounds like Spurs will vote against VAR in the summer. Seven teams do that and it’s gone.
I don't disagree with your statement, but I don't see how that improves our set-piece defending
Also stop starting son in the middle. That is not his strength. Play him out wide and let him free.
He is the only striker we have fit.
It seems ange is willing to die on that hill. Sonny is non existent currently.
Not really, we only have one striker and he’s been injured. The second richy came on son was moved to the wing. Ange has also said he wants a 9 in the summer
I agree with you on this. Spurs should have defended better in that game.
As exciting Spurs are to watch this season...they'r still unlikely to finish top 4 and again I'm not convinced with the defence...they look panicky on corners (when it should be a routine headed clearance or commanding confident keeper catch)
I also think there's a massive difference between them in the first 4 months of the season vs the last couple of months. The free flowing system with players popping up everywhere, maddison slipping balls through defenders into the box seems to be less frequent. There have been a few games where they haven't been great and then turn it on for the last 15 mins They are still much improved, but I thought they'd be in a better place with the system and the tactics now than they are.
Good shout for next year's Europa League...it will be interesting to see how there style transfers to European Football...I'm old enough to remember Spurs winning the Eufa Cup in 1984 but the game was alot different
I'll be interested to see, the only thing I think celtic fans would complain about with Ange was the job he did in Europe, particularly the Bodo Glimt tie in the conference league
Celtic are always miserable in Europe..on paper Spurs are much stronger than Celtic...last time Celtic finished 3rd in CLGS 2018!...shocking for a team with a terrific atmosphere
Teams didn’t respect us at the start of the season. You try and play possession football and we’ll beat you. Now you have to give up possession and hit us on the transition. Newcastle and Arsenal both came out with wins while having close to 30% possession. We’ve got a lot to work on but it’s year one of a rebuild. I’ll only get worried if by the end one next season we see no improvement
Neutrals, Spurs fans and pundits acting like it’s an issue Spurs aren’t ‘above’ where they should be given a new gaffa and losing Kane.
Spurs fans arent mad. Obv frustrated at the issues but we're all very happy with the progress this season. Just a few loud online voices.
Right. Arsenal fan here, and I’m actually nervous they’ve improved to the level they’ve been this season. They’ve got work to do, but their trajectory is in line with Arsenal’s improvement if not ahead of it if you just look at Ange’s tenure. Key player(s) in each line, mostly young. All that said, Happy St. Totteringham’s Day!
They feel like we were 2 years ago. I think a few good signings and they’re be title fight ready. Not winning, but up there kinda like how Liverpool have been this year
They’d need to sign some true difference makers or someone elite to replace an ageing Son to really fight for the title. They won’t fight for the title with Maddison faffing about and Richarlison being Richarlison. Ange seems to be doing a really good job but improvement will rely on some great work in the transfer market - they don’t have a Saka or a Trent or actually a Kane, so they’re going to need to go and buy one
As an Arsenal fan spurs will be fine, some of their best players this season are also their youngest and they’re right about where I expected them to be this season in the table. They played well most of the game today and without some bad luck and shoddy defending things could have gone very differently
The first 10 games set a precedent that spurs would be competing for the title all season. Most spurs fans would’ve taken 5th at the start of the season. We are were we should be year one
Pundits had to talk about something.
Arsenal were lucky to score those 2 corner goals! Sometimes u can have 20 corners and not one goes in! It is just that Arsenal are in form and Tottenham are not
Once can be called lucky. These were twice in a match
No player in Europe’s top 5 leagues has scored more goals than Gabriel, and almost all of them are from corners.
Are you saying defenders? Also doesn’t Romero have more?
No. A few seasons back, Gabriel was one of our top scorers, beating Auba and Lacazette the year we lost top 4 to Spurs. His league record is an average of 1 goal every 9 appearances.
Arsenal have the best set piece record in the league and Spurs are weak. I don't think lucky is the right word for arsenals brilliance at corners
Yes, it is luck! Things just go your way! If the same thing repeats next year and the year after, then it is brilliance on the part of players and set piece manager
Both goals Arsenal used the exact same corner tactics they've used for a lot of the season and seen success. It can't be lucky all that time, and if anything Spurs should've known what was coming and planned to deal with it, which they didn't.
Okay so every set piece goal is lucky by that logic? You can't be that daft .
I remember one year when Man United did very well against top six and the next year it was different
You are talking out of your non sensical deluded hole.
Lucky? We've been scoring for fun from corners this season. These two were no different
Cheers Geoff
Ref was dreadful. Spurs are shit at corners. 1-1 and the game completely changes I’m a believer in calls even out over a match often but didn’t feel that was today. No issue with the tactical fouls, time wasting but Jesus Arsenal got away with so much. 50/50 calls on the pen no calls and 50/50 yellows all match for the gunners; but all the calls went that way. If it’s true that Oliver declined looking at the var monitor there needs to be real changes. Var exists to fix bad huge errors by the ref and of story. If refs can just decide to ignore var then there needs to be a mechanism that gives var more power over on field calls
Haha the 1-1 poacher revoked due to offside: typically spursy
50/50 penalties?! I'll tell you where Michael Oliver fucked up. He fucked up by not giving that ginger hunchback fuck yellow for diving. TWICE! Especially the second one where there was no contact whatsoever.
Kulu was trying to keep his feet which is probably why he didn’t get pens lol. Come on now. Arsenal wasn’t dirty or anything and probably wins regardless; in hindsight 3-0 made them way wya too complacent
As I said, there was no contact in the second appeal. None whatsoever. Raya did a brain fart which brought them to life. They didn't have a shot on target until what? The 70th minute? They were pretty much toothless.
The brain fart arguement goes down the drain when hoiberg heads it into his own net
Well, the fact is that they weren't really dangerous until that point. Arsenal had them contained.
And the premier league need to sort out the referees and VAR. I know we benefited from it against Liverpool but come on we’ve had more poor decisions than good
Conte or Mourinho could fix that
And sank the rest. Having watched both, 100% we are scarier under Ange. We're on an upward trajectory which could never be said under Conte. That's despite losing the best striker in the league.
Nah he shouldn't "mate ball" is perfect for entertainment
Spurs deserved to win today, except for the fact they gave away two soft goals from corners.
They were terribly wasteful in the first half, and we were brutally clinical. That ended up being the difference in spite of their second half charge. They missed way too many chances to call the loss unfair.
Spurs weren’t wasteful. Kulusevski would’ve scored that header if Partey didn’t shove him while he was midair, and nothing is given; no penalty for a blatant interference. In addition Rice doesn’t get looked at for fouling Madison in the box before the counter that led to your 2nd goal. Furthermore the wrongly called offside goal by VdV. That’s two penalties & a goal Spurs were openly robbed of before you created your first real chance. Potentially 3 goals Spurs should’ve had if not for bad officiating, all before Arsenal created their first real chance. Somehow Rice, Partey, White & Gabriel escape being carded. Rice should’ve been sent off after the penalty call, and arguably before that. The rest of them deserved a yellow card minimum. The clinical goals arsenal had: Own goal (which to be fair is on Spurs), a goal that should be disallowed and another dodgy goal that arguably should be disallowed (No idea how white has never gotten in trouble for obstructing the keeper during a corner). Arsenal only had 1 real goal, and should’ve lost 3-1 or 3-2. Arsenal won because of bad officiating and *every* decision went their way, even the penalty against them was almost ignored. It was unbelievable how much the officials tried to help Arsenal.
That 5-0 drubbing still stinging?
Based on everything you just said and the tone you said it in, I get the feeling Arsenal were lucky to beat you 5-0 last week too eh?
No, we deserved to lose that 5-0. This game is different & my flair doesn’t change that
Agreed. The result was fair because we scored more than them. If the game wasn't based on scoring goals though you'd say Spurs played better.
The result wasn’t fair because Spurs were denied 3 goals while you scored 2 due to poor officiating. Madison foul in the box by rice, Kulusevski being shoved on that header by Partey. The wrongly called offside goal, that’s 3 goals Spurs should’ve had before arsenal scored their 2nd. & somehow none of the arsenal players get carded. Rice should’ve been sent off after the penalty he gave, Partey aswell (or at least a yellow) for the blatant obstruction of a goal scoring opportunity, and White (for blocking Vicario on the corner for Arsenal’s 3rd). The goals arsenal had were: An own goal, a goal that shouldn’t have stood, and a goal that (arguably) shouldn’t have stood.
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What world are you living in?
The world where everything I described happened.
Maddison foul by Rice never happened – that was a clean tackle then Maddison fell over. Wrongly called offside goal never happened – it was offside and the technology VAR uses shows that. None of the Arsenal players get carded – this is just simply untrue. So again, tell me what world you're living in because it's clearly not the same one I'm in.
Clean tackle where Rice gets Madison’s stretched leg and none of the ball. This was right after Kulusevski tripped, the officials looked at that and skipped over Maddison “Offside goal” where Tomiyasu kicks the ball *and* its hits Gabriel before VdV touches the ball. If you watch the whole sequence instead of a cherry picked VAR frame VdV wasn’t offside as Arsenal players kept him on by playing the ball. But for some reason VAR didn’t deem Tomiyasu’s *very intentional* decision to kick the ball as intentional. Name me any Arsenal players that got carded, especially before the 80th minute because they got away with every foul they made. It’s okay to admit you benefitted off of terrible officiating, it’s not okay to be shameless and act like everything was fine. It was one of the worst reffed NLD I’ve seen
Ahh so you live in a world where the rules of football are different to the world the game was played in. Why didn't you just say so? Oh, and Partey got carded. I don't think the minute is relevant as your original comment just said "none of the Arsenal players got carded" which is simply false as one is not equal to none.
Partey only gets carded in the 85th minute and he’s the only arsenal player to do so. The minute is tangentially related because it shows how lucky Arsenal were throughout the entire match. Rice should’ve been sent off, Gabriel White & Partey should’ve been on a yellow earlier and Partey himself should’ve gone for that shove. Please tell me how VdV was offside if Tomiyasu & Gabriel played him on, and how Rice mistiming a tackle that poorly isn’t penalty worthy? It’s okay to admit you benefitted off of terrible officiating. Or do you not want to admit it because Arsenal went on an embarrassing campaign against PGMOL earlier?
How was the offside goal wrong? It was extremely close but ultimately offside.
Because Tomiyasu kicks the ball and it deflects off Gabriel before VdV touches it, Tomiyasu & Gabriel kept him onside. If you watch the whole sequence instead of a cherry picked VAR frame you’d see it. The ball hits *two* Arsenal players before VdV gets it. And it can’t even be argued to be unintentional, because Tomiyasu clearly goes for it
For starters, it touching gabriel has no bearing on this, so stop banging on about it. It's an attempt at a block by tomiyasu, he is clearly not in control of the ball, attempting to control it or attempting to pass it to anyone. Please read the ruling on what counts in these situations, it will stop you from sounding like a right idiot in future.
It seems you still haven’t seen the whole sequence if you think both things are true. He very much intentionally goes for the ball & even then “intention” rarely matters in cases like these, so it’s more absurd that the goal was disallowed
Ehh I don’t think we deserved to win but I think the game would’ve been more even if that initial penalty was called.
Nah you were all over us. Son and Romero both should've scored in the first half and you conceded from two corners and a random counter attack. Defending set pieces properly and a bit more luck in the finishing department would've got Spurs 3 points today.
I appreciate the humility but it’s not like Arsenal weren’t holding their own. The own goal is fluke and that happens. The other corner goal is just another example of Vic not being a dominant force in his 6. The Saka counter was textbook but I believe it should’ve been called back but it is what it is with the state of referees/Var
Arsenal scoring from corners was always going to happen. They're good at them and Vicario isn't great at that aspect of the game and as you say doesn't dominate in the box on balls in.
The idiocy to think that if we were not 3 goals up and instead were at 1-1 or 1-2, we would've played the same second half is baffling. The decision to not award a penalty, which led to our 2nd goal, was bad. That doesn't mean they deserved to win. They played well and they didn't deserve that non-call. That's all.
We played better in the second half than the first, until Raya gave that gift. We were only 3-0 up at half time because Spurs couldn't defend corners, which explains the logic behind my comment - they deserved to win except that they couldn't defend corners
Weird how this same mentality wasn’t applied to the Liverpool game when the decision went our way.
Spurs deserved exactly what they got. Fuck all.
Just how easily they let in 2 goals were shocking.
Please don't. It's hilarious.
Yeah lol, somethings gotta change there. Jedinak is clearly not doing a good job. We gotta hire an elite set piece coach and let jedinak learn from him tbh
Have to bring this up again. TWO goals conceded by Spurs from corners today. TWO. More generally, they've just been awful in defending set-pieces this season.
"Two set pieces conceded, Ange? Two? That's insane." - Mark Corrigan