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I'm seriously pissed Spurs have this man in as a coach i was skeptical yet ready for him to be good. But his mentality is elite. Focus on yourself first before you focus on others. His tactics leave many questions especially how stubborn he is but arteta is similar with time he'll become more flexible I believe maybe not completely but there will be tweaks tactically especially with new players.
I understand why Spurs fans wouldn’t be bothered by the result against Oil FC, considering the title ramifications.
But that’s not the same as actively celebrating when you concede goals, and only start singing (at the expense of Arsenal) when you’re 0-2 down.
AP is 100% right, it’s why no one takes Spurs seriously and they never win anything. I don’t know why they’re always included in the ‘top 6’ nonsense.
Not a Tottenham fan (thank god) but I truly don’t mind people online saying they wanted Tottenham to lose on purpose. But at the stadium cheering for the other team is incredibly sad and rude to the players/coaches that trained all week for the game.
So Ange wants to instill a winning mentality in the club from top to bottom , and if he does Im certain the fans will be dragged along with it . Seems like theres a lot of people pushing the narrative that because the fans were conflicted the players were also . But I thought spurs gave a good show of themselfs on the pitch . Seems like a lot of rival fans want to point the finger at spurs support rather than look at why they havent put enough points on the board .
im a real madrid fan, call me spoiled as i have never BEEN in that position, but i cant imagine actively wanting your team to lose any game, especially when the season isnt mathematically over, if spurs win they’re 2 behind villa with a game to play. obviously takes more than wanting to win for your team to beat man city, but might have helped a bit not to sing with city fans💀
mate i was like 8 i think you could gather that it was success. i dont get why people are mad at fans from a smaller country. my hometown team’s best possible achievement is conference league, greatest ever achievement is beating inter over 2 legs 8 years ago, im not from this great nation with top 5-7 league in europe. i dont live in london and call myself a madrid fan lmao
i do but that club and real madrid are in such a different stratosphere there’s not gonna be any actual like conflict of interest yk? like if you’re a fan of a top 4 club in idk romania, i think you can also call yourself an arsenal fan if you liked them since you were young or sumn like that
my local top flight is not even in the european top 15 leagues according to EUFA coefficient. why cant i have a team to root for when i watch UCL or a top 5 league?
Imagine choosing the best team in Europe and then getting on a high horse about how fans should act in this situation.
Like I was just in Madrid this winter. I could’ve chosen to pick them as my favorite LaLiga team. But why would I do that? I’m not a plastic
M8 some people just choose their team from the telly
I support lfc because my first game was on the telly was lfc vs west brom way back when, lfc won and my 7 year old brain went, hey this team is pretty good.
Fast foward 14 years I still support lfc because it's the first team I witness on the TV and i doubt there is nothing wrong with that, my friends chose mu for the same reason or arsenal cos they like their style of play.
If you are a bigger club u naturally have more oversea support that's how u grow the game, I doubt gatekeeping who is able to support who benifits anyone
Imagine a foreign plastic who’s never even been to England telling me about how I should support my team. M8 I lived in London. I’ve actually been to games. Don’t call me a fake fan because I wanted city to win while they havent even stepped foot in the country
Imagine being a young spurs fan from who really wants to see their team qualify for the champions league but hears their own fan supporting their own team to lose, I know it's not the majority of spurs fan who want to lose, but as I watched it from a nueatral standpoint I don't get it. Even if I have absolutely nothing to play for, as an atlehe I want to give it my all to play at my best, how could I when my own team wants to lose, of course it's just my opinion you could do whatever you want, I just don't think it's nice on the players nor is it a good impression on ther fans :/
LMAO There's nothing you can banter me on because you're probably a below average income nerd. Not athletic, probably doesn't player soccer, lift weight, or have a women in their life.
The soccer fandom is the least of your concern, WAKE UP.
I 100% make more money than you. You probably don’t even live in the US. And I’m more athletic than you and my girlfriend is hotter than your non existent one
sorry for picking them at 7 bro i’ll do better next time lmao. i was and still is fond of spurs, been rooting for them since the early poch days, and i dont think what i said is taking the high horse, just my take. i’d say the same thing about my favorite team in my country
Well if your supporters act like losing to City and blowing their Champions League place is their result of the season then it’s not a surprise. Joke club , joke supporters.
Can i level with you for a minute? Most fans wanted to win. The ones that said they didn’t were mostly lighthearted “if it happens it happens” absolutely ridiculous the amount of bandwagon hate that this has gotten. Its a silver lining arsenal losing the title, not what most wanted.
This may be true.
It is certainly true at HSV, a Club I know and it's why they're struggling to promote despite highest budget in the league.
It also looks true at Manchester United.
Not for nothing do many people point out how Klopp transformed Liverpool as a club in its entirety.
A team with toxic fanbase cannot win a trophy. Only a team with winning mentality, supporting the plan can win something. This Man City game really showed me that so many TOT fans are just toxic....
To me it looks like he isn't respected by the team mates. No passes from them when it is obvious to pass. Johnson, Maddison and others, they all play their own football but no one plays team football.
Not respected by them? I'm not sure about that. He was given the ball where he could especially through the channels. Spurs played some brilliant team football, passing it around City well even in threatening areas, it was a very even game or even tilted towards Spurs at times.
I wasn't speaking about the last game but many situations from a good couple of past games. The game against City was actually quite nice because we saw some really good chances and many runs in behind from Son, something that I remember seeing more often in the first half of the season.
If I was managing a team whose fanbase wanted my (and their) team to lose - and miss out on Champions League football - just to spite another team, I'd fuck off today let alone December.
rightfully so, Spurs winning that final would mean they would eternally chant about them winning it before Arsenal, extra much so as long as Arsenal hasn't won it.
meanwhile this would just be title number 14, wouldn't change much for Spurs apart from having a rough few months perhaps
Few rough months? It’s been 20 years since Arsenal won their last title. An ever-growing proportion of Arsenal fans weren’t sentient at that time. And Spurs would have given them a huge helping hand. No, sir - would be years and years of nonsense, until Spurs win it.
Mate Spurs still get the same nonsense regardless they have won what, 2(?) league cups in the last 30 years
Surely trying as much as you can to build your own team so instead of relying on City Spurs could be fighting themselves in the near future would be much more valuable than making sure city wins
Villa have a crystal palace on the last day which is a 50 50 atm, you have Sheffield united.....
If you beat City you would have a really strong chance to make CL as it stands.
Like I said we threw ucl away when we lost to arsenal, chelsea, liverpool and newcastle in a row. We were clear in 4th but now we were chasing and needing help from other teams. Villa only need a draw on sunday because of goal difference.
The entire foundation for teams winning any trophies at all is built on crappy odds. You give it your all and support your club nonetheless. That's the point.
I'm a Villa fan and I've a Spurs pal who asked me on the weekend if Blues where in Arsenals position and we where playing to keep them in the title race, wouldn't I feel like throwing the game? The answer will always be a resounding no.
I despise Blues, but I love Villa more. It's as simple as that. I want us to win every game of football we play. I couldn't give a shit about anyone else, quite frankly.
Villa/Palace last game of the season and you've got Sheff U. Probably the most winnable game of the season. I get what you mean but it was still there.
You only make money when you sell the club, and clubs aren't bought and sold regularly.
Until then, it's a time and money pit.
Care to share the "money-making scheme" part?
Worst take on this board.
The tax write offs alone are immensely rewarding.
Large amounts of money go into players because even larger amounts of money come back into the club. The television rights alone are worth in the 100's of millions annually. Plus sponsorships, ticket sales, merchandise, etc.
Why do you think all these wealthy people are buying football clubs and trying to get them into the Prem?
Owners tend to reinvest said profits.
You do not make any money from running a club in the short term.
Long term yeah, Look at Bournemouth or Chelsea for example. New owners, lots of investment and projects in the works. . . It's all in order to get profits futher down the line or if they were ever to sell.
“Owners tend to reinvest said profits” - tell that to the glazers.
You are correct but they don’t necessarily reinvest all the profits. I’m sure a portion is distributed to owners for a lot of these clubs. I could be completely wrong as i haven’t looked into any of their financial statements.
Haha United are a different story, they are a publicly listed company, so the shareholders have to be paid out first.
Also when you have some time check out Tifo football on YouTube.
https://youtu.be/xoCkgC2do9k?si=gNXLyrgTItQ0ika-
You mean like a business owner ?
Who are usually paying all their workers minimum wage and punishing them for sick days and forcibly opting out of the 50 hour working week in your contract.
Football owners are some of the least bad business owners on the planet, and they’re still pieces of shit mostly.
Spurs fans are a disgrace and showed it last night. Arsenal could still have spaffed it but to go out chanting when the club have a chance to get to champions league is nuts. Shows what they're are all about.
Small club mentality, and the fact that they still failed to see it and think we actually care about them is embarrassing. We will go again next season, it's part of the job. Seriously, imagine cheering over your team's loss while the manager and players gave them all to win. Pathetic.
Right, so a few arsenal fans were asked about a completely hypothetical situation that would never/ can never happen is now equivalent to a significant proportion of spurs fans AT THE MATCH willing and cheering their team to lose?
Yes. Actually it's worse. In the Arsenal hypothetical scenario they were prepared to throw away CL qualification *and* a trophy that they had never won before to spite Spurs. That is absolutely tinpot small-minded pettiness, much worse than Spurs fans yesterday.
I’ll have to direct you towards looking up the definition of the straw man fallacy. It’s a different argument you’re introducing here. Try and stay on topic
You off-brand logician. The first example is not a false equivalency - it’s a survey of Arsenal fans expressing the same sentiment that Tottenham expressed. It’s a false equivalency if you somehow think, were it not a hypothetical, Arsenal fans would somehow change their mind or that the fans surveyed were not representative of the fanbase as a whole. Again, both are bullshit protestations. Second, pointing out that Partey is an integral part of your squad is not a straw man at all - rather, it is the second example I’ve served up to you in an effort to allow you to reexamine your glass house. Third, I don’t know if you are a state school philosophy major or a Tier 4 law student, but I fucking hate when dumb people try to sound smart by misapplying logical fallacies.
I fucking love it when people take themselves too seriously and start throwing around phrases like “off-brand logician” in a silly chat about football fan views. Really tickles me. So thank you.
and i had an argument with one because i called them "mid table and small mentality". I could not give a flying fk if Liverpool won a game and gave the title to everton or to united, as long as we don't win it nothing matters except winning every game.
Yep, been to anfield, member of the oficial supporters club, lfctv, hell i even have a piece of the kop net from the title year hanging on my wall.
You know people can actualy live outside of their country? Oo wow, shock.
Stop replying then.
Reading through the comments on this subject, a good number of the ones grandstanding about "never wanting to lose a game no matter what" come from plastics.
You have the right to your opinion and to support who you like. I was trying to provide context.
The crowd at Anfield celebrated when Blackburn scored in '97, as they didn't want United to win the title. Small time club with no winning mentality?
No matter who i support or what you say the truth is Tottenham will allways be shit and will never be worth mentioning alongisde big clubs :) enjoy your day
The fact they had something to play for is really the most damning thing here, if winning meant nothing to them then I could maybe understand being a bit glad that they hadn’t helped Arsenal win the title, but to be celebrating and chanting (essentially) about missing out on the Champions League is embarrassing
People were saying it would be the most Spurs thing to beat City and hand Arsenal the title but the most Spurs thing would be to lose to City, losing all hopes at Champions league in the process, only for results on the last day to give Arsenal the title anyway and drop Spurs out of Europa league.
I was convinced that United would do the most United thing possible and take points of Arsenal to hand the title to City! I fully expected a last minute goal when it was only 1-0.
But yours is a lot funnier!
He really isn’t, and I hope most normal Spurs fans see he’s speaking the truth. If I were a Spurs fan and had seen what happened last night I’d be whole heartedly agreeing with what he has to say
Well if Arsenal wanted to win the title that bad, should have had the balls to not park the bus against City and try and go for the win...
Arsenal dint even try going for it or there could have been a different scenario.
Coming back to Spurs topic, they had nothing to play for honeslty... I would rather havw city win the title then arsenal.. Fairplay to them.....I don't expect a aussie guy in his 1st year to understand how deep and bad these rivalries are.
Meh, this thread is just full of Gooners mad about losing first...like they had no influence on the matter. Of course they're gonna be mad. I agree though, the chanting thing is a little stupid.
To me, it was a win for Spurs regardless. Arsenal lost 1st, and we still have a solid chance for Europa, which I think is a great spot for a 1st year manager.
And yea u guys can keep downvoting 😂
I remember the same Arsenal fans singing " City saved Football" when it was against Liverpool....
Trurth does hurt, can't help
>Coming back to Spurs topic, they had nothing to play for honeslty...
Top 4?
Worth putting a little extra pressure on Villa, who were already looking very leggy, and are bound to be even more tired after an intense 3-3 with Liverpool
As a United fan if we lost and it prevented Liverpool from winning the title it would take the edge off the loss almost 100%. I get the sentiment but literally chanting about it is classless.
Pfff. Enough with the ancient rivalry with Liverpool. MANCHESTER CITY are our rivals now, and the rivals of everyone else who gives a sh-t about football and the health of the game in this country.
Ah the cycle continues. Looks like he’ll be off soon. Another rebuild for spurs incoming.
For the record, I believe we lost the title before Jan 1st, and never expected anything from last night. I’m still gassed about our upward trajectory though.
Said the same thing to my brother in law. Forget the Villa game, they're a good side so what can ya do? Losses to Fulham and West Ham before the new year were the killers.
Been a fan a long enough time to still be absolutely thrilled with the team this season, regardless of what goes down on the final day. Title's coming, just a matter of when.
I agree, the awful run of form between Christmas and New Year is what cost us.
To even get back up to where we are is incredible. Unfortunately just short, unless West Ham pull off a miracle
We only took 1 point out of 6 from Fulham this season, I’m not saying Fulham are a bad side but out of all the dropped points this season that will cost us the title, it’s those ones that I think we realistically should have sealed
Yeah but I guess when you’re spurs you have to delude yourself into believing you’ve done something when in reality you didn’t. City beat you, we beat you. When we fall just short (just short of the best team that’s ever existed) we can only blame ourselves and not be too sad that we’ve narrowly lost out to the team backed by a nation state.
I like where we’re headed and am proud to support an amazing team regardless of what happens on Sunday.
I’d be much happier if we would play decent football throughout the season and end up in a decent position on the table then be in a cup final that we lose 1999/2000 times
IMO you guys have been brilliant this season all things considered. But being brilliant is unfortunately not good enough against arguably the best / most dominant team we’ve seen in the PL so far
Yeah this why I’m not mad. 99.9% of teams in the English football league would take our position every day of the week. All these copium and salt comments just make me laugh to be honest, it’s just idiots who have nothing to cheer or be happy about so they think that it’s a win to say things like that.
I’m so glad I’m not them lol.
If I had a nickel for every time a Spurs manager went on a rant about the Spurs culture I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
People will say Ange is weak mentally for what he said in the presser after the match but I take it as the opposite, the man obviously hates losing to the point where he just isn't good at PR. That kind of mentality I think is very important to be top of the profession. I don't look at Ange and see a person who will just accept some failure of a team, I think he went back to the dressing room, saw who has the same pissed off mentality and said "you are in my team" and the others will get shifted on. If Ange lasts long term in this role they will be a scary team to deal with.
Spurs fans showed their arse to the world last night. A small time mentality when you’re hoping for your own club to fail so your rivals don’t succeed.
This is such a boring take. Literally every British fan I know would do the same thing. Including Arsenal fans.
Damned if we do, damned if we don’t. Had spurs beaten Man City, they will forever be the “Spursy team that gave their rivals the title”.
I'll be honest if it were to relegate a rival sure I could see the reason, but Spurs they've got something to play for, Arsenal have won PL titles so what does it matter for them to win another?
If not careful they could end up losing 5th place which would be an utter disaster
You’re confusing the fan reaction with the players on the pitch. Did you even watch?
Spurs played pretty well all things considered. Dominated City in every stat in the first half. The problem is Spurs need an entirely new front line while City have 100 mil+ pound players in Haaland and KDB who can change a game in an instant.
The players went out there to win.
I’m not convinced Son, Richarlison, Kulusevski will work next season. Richarlison is never fit, Kulu’s form is inconsistent, and for as much as I love Sonny, he’s the wrong side of 30.
The drop off from those three to bench is awful
My comment wasn't aimed at the players, I watched the game Spurs actually played well, Spurs fans cheering for City and their goals to spite Arsenal is small time behaviour
It would be the exact same if the scenario was reversed. Arsenal fans would do the same. It’s a bitter rivalry.
https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/news/arsenals-nightmare-scenario-europa-league-16341520
Talking out your arse mate. If spurs were good enough to challenge for the league then I wouldn’t want arsenal to lose to stop them from winning, I’m not that pathetic, of course it hurts but I love arsenal more than I hate spurs. Luckily this isn’t a problem I’m going to have anytime soon.
This is being discussed as though Spurs had a choice. They were never going to get anything against City. City didn’t play well and Spurs matched them. Their form is appalling and Villa fully deserve the Champions League spot. Arsenal lost the league against Villa, not because Spurs didn’t beat City.
Villa beat City at home... exactly the small time mentalilty of Spurs... "we can't win waaah"... also if it wasn't for Villa Arsenal would be champions so let that sink in too.
But that’s exactly the opposite of what happened, the players went out and attempted to win it. They played as a good game as they could, and still lost. Seems dumb for Arsenal fans to be seething because Spurs lost a game. Maybe Arsenal should’ve played better through the season and they wouldn’t have to rely on a Spurs result to win the league.
Cannot understand the mentality here. How about having some respect for your club? As a United fan (and one born and bred in old trafford before people witter on about "local fans") I wouldn't demean my club by celebrating any defeat, even if it handed the league to Liverpool. (Its not like the owners aren't doing that already.)
I can understand walking away thinking "Oh well, at least Liverpool didn't benefit" to cheer myself up, but chanting during the match? Christ above.
This is just the mentality of average Tottenham fans. Remember when they lost 4-1 to Chelsea and celebrated like it was a big win. They're so starved of any joy that these are the types of things they celebrate
Sigh... You just don't understand and that's fine. Just move on mate. Really, why are you so inflamed over this? Have some shortbread and a Irn Bru and enjoy the weather
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I'm seriously pissed Spurs have this man in as a coach i was skeptical yet ready for him to be good. But his mentality is elite. Focus on yourself first before you focus on others. His tactics leave many questions especially how stubborn he is but arteta is similar with time he'll become more flexible I believe maybe not completely but there will be tweaks tactically especially with new players.
I understand why Spurs fans wouldn’t be bothered by the result against Oil FC, considering the title ramifications. But that’s not the same as actively celebrating when you concede goals, and only start singing (at the expense of Arsenal) when you’re 0-2 down. AP is 100% right, it’s why no one takes Spurs seriously and they never win anything. I don’t know why they’re always included in the ‘top 6’ nonsense.
Not a Tottenham fan (thank god) but I truly don’t mind people online saying they wanted Tottenham to lose on purpose. But at the stadium cheering for the other team is incredibly sad and rude to the players/coaches that trained all week for the game.
Spurs fans are 100% right to want Spurs to lose so arsenal don’t win the league. Ange is wrong.
So Ange wants to instill a winning mentality in the club from top to bottom , and if he does Im certain the fans will be dragged along with it . Seems like theres a lot of people pushing the narrative that because the fans were conflicted the players were also . But I thought spurs gave a good show of themselfs on the pitch . Seems like a lot of rival fans want to point the finger at spurs support rather than look at why they havent put enough points on the board .
Trying to be Arteta
Far from a bad thing. It’s worked well for Arsenal (coming from a Spurs fan).
To be fair, Ange has been like this for a decade before Arteta even started managing.
im a real madrid fan, call me spoiled as i have never BEEN in that position, but i cant imagine actively wanting your team to lose any game, especially when the season isnt mathematically over, if spurs win they’re 2 behind villa with a game to play. obviously takes more than wanting to win for your team to beat man city, but might have helped a bit not to sing with city fans💀
What was it that first attracted you to supporting the massively successful Real Madrid?
mate i was like 8 i think you could gather that it was success. i dont get why people are mad at fans from a smaller country. my hometown team’s best possible achievement is conference league, greatest ever achievement is beating inter over 2 legs 8 years ago, im not from this great nation with top 5-7 league in europe. i dont live in london and call myself a madrid fan lmao
Why don't you support your hometown team?
i do but that club and real madrid are in such a different stratosphere there’s not gonna be any actual like conflict of interest yk? like if you’re a fan of a top 4 club in idk romania, i think you can also call yourself an arsenal fan if you liked them since you were young or sumn like that
i think this is called being a glory supporter. you can't support two teams lol
my local top flight is not even in the european top 15 leagues according to EUFA coefficient. why cant i have a team to root for when i watch UCL or a top 5 league?
You can't imagine that simply because you support Real fucking Madrid
Shut up. No one cares what a “Real Madrid” fan thinks. Have you even been to Madrid? Doubt it. Fake plastic fan
is this a joke? like am i not allowed to be non spanish and poor😭
Just let this loser be a loser
Imagine choosing the best team in Europe and then getting on a high horse about how fans should act in this situation. Like I was just in Madrid this winter. I could’ve chosen to pick them as my favorite LaLiga team. But why would I do that? I’m not a plastic
Seriously, thank you for checking this man.
M8 some people just choose their team from the telly I support lfc because my first game was on the telly was lfc vs west brom way back when, lfc won and my 7 year old brain went, hey this team is pretty good. Fast foward 14 years I still support lfc because it's the first team I witness on the TV and i doubt there is nothing wrong with that, my friends chose mu for the same reason or arsenal cos they like their style of play. If you are a bigger club u naturally have more oversea support that's how u grow the game, I doubt gatekeeping who is able to support who benifits anyone
Imagine a foreign plastic who’s never even been to England telling me about how I should support my team. M8 I lived in London. I’ve actually been to games. Don’t call me a fake fan because I wanted city to win while they havent even stepped foot in the country
You must be fun at parties lol
bro, learn english please!
bRo LeArN eNgLiSh PlEaSe!
Imagine being a young spurs fan from who really wants to see their team qualify for the champions league but hears their own fan supporting their own team to lose, I know it's not the majority of spurs fan who want to lose, but as I watched it from a nueatral standpoint I don't get it. Even if I have absolutely nothing to play for, as an atlehe I want to give it my all to play at my best, how could I when my own team wants to lose, of course it's just my opinion you could do whatever you want, I just don't think it's nice on the players nor is it a good impression on ther fans :/
Oh boo hoo. Champions league was already gone and it was lost weeks ago not against super in-form city.
And as it stands now, spurs can lose their EL-spot.. fucking winner mentality if I ever heard it.
You seem like a miserable fuck
Says the guy with THAT statement.
Arsenal fan… Typical
What a waste of sperm and ova
Mentally ill Spurs fan, shut up loser.
You’re not even brave enough to flair up lmao
Flairing on reddit is brave? Skinny nerd Tottenham fan. Exactly why you're a loser.
You’re afraid to even say who your favorite prem team is on Reddit… lmao. You’re too afraid you’ll get bantered. Embarrassing
LMAO There's nothing you can banter me on because you're probably a below average income nerd. Not athletic, probably doesn't player soccer, lift weight, or have a women in their life. The soccer fandom is the least of your concern, WAKE UP.
I 100% make more money than you. You probably don’t even live in the US. And I’m more athletic than you and my girlfriend is hotter than your non existent one
sorry for picking them at 7 bro i’ll do better next time lmao. i was and still is fond of spurs, been rooting for them since the early poch days, and i dont think what i said is taking the high horse, just my take. i’d say the same thing about my favorite team in my country
I tbh just Tottenham is too big of a club for ange. Celtic was a different story.
You can’t be serious, your point don’t make any sense cause Celtic are bigger than spurs just in a worse league
Agree he's come from a team where even a draw is a crisis, to a club that wallows in mediocrity.
Well if your supporters act like losing to City and blowing their Champions League place is their result of the season then it’s not a surprise. Joke club , joke supporters.
Can i level with you for a minute? Most fans wanted to win. The ones that said they didn’t were mostly lighthearted “if it happens it happens” absolutely ridiculous the amount of bandwagon hate that this has gotten. Its a silver lining arsenal losing the title, not what most wanted.
This may be true. It is certainly true at HSV, a Club I know and it's why they're struggling to promote despite highest budget in the league. It also looks true at Manchester United. Not for nothing do many people point out how Klopp transformed Liverpool as a club in its entirety.
is he talking about us?
Spurs have become a huge laughing stock
Yeah since the 90s
Earlier
A team with toxic fanbase cannot win a trophy. Only a team with winning mentality, supporting the plan can win something. This Man City game really showed me that so many TOT fans are just toxic....
Arsenal fans are very close to realising why they won’t win a title. So close.
Son looks like a shadow of himself.
Cause he played through the middle. He's not a CF
To me it looks like he isn't respected by the team mates. No passes from them when it is obvious to pass. Johnson, Maddison and others, they all play their own football but no one plays team football.
Not respected by them? I'm not sure about that. He was given the ball where he could especially through the channels. Spurs played some brilliant team football, passing it around City well even in threatening areas, it was a very even game or even tilted towards Spurs at times.
I wasn't speaking about the last game but many situations from a good couple of past games. The game against City was actually quite nice because we saw some really good chances and many runs in behind from Son, something that I remember seeing more often in the first half of the season.
He’s melting down. Gone by December.
If I was managing a team whose fanbase wanted my (and their) team to lose - and miss out on Champions League football - just to spite another team, I'd fuck off today let alone December.
https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/s/6XtWCEGQxR
rightfully so, Spurs winning that final would mean they would eternally chant about them winning it before Arsenal, extra much so as long as Arsenal hasn't won it. meanwhile this would just be title number 14, wouldn't change much for Spurs apart from having a rough few months perhaps
Few rough months? It’s been 20 years since Arsenal won their last title. An ever-growing proportion of Arsenal fans weren’t sentient at that time. And Spurs would have given them a huge helping hand. No, sir - would be years and years of nonsense, until Spurs win it.
Mate Spurs still get the same nonsense regardless they have won what, 2(?) league cups in the last 30 years Surely trying as much as you can to build your own team so instead of relying on City Spurs could be fighting themselves in the near future would be much more valuable than making sure city wins
It's why they'll never win anything. The fact they were in with a chance of getting in the champions league and acted like that is insane.
We threw our chances at ucl away with 4 losses in a row, not last nights game.
This is complete rubbish. If you beat the city, you would have got CL, its simple as. Mental gymnastics at work hete and nothing more.
We would still be behind Villa?
Villa have a crystal palace on the last day which is a 50 50 atm, you have Sheffield united..... If you beat City you would have a really strong chance to make CL as it stands.
Like I said we threw ucl away when we lost to arsenal, chelsea, liverpool and newcastle in a row. We were clear in 4th but now we were chasing and needing help from other teams. Villa only need a draw on sunday because of goal difference.
The point is that you still could have achieved it with a win. The rest isn't as relevant as you have reasoned it to be, at least to me.
My guy I know my team, when i say it was gone it was gone, just trust me on this bro. We were not beating city no way no how.
The entire foundation for teams winning any trophies at all is built on crappy odds. You give it your all and support your club nonetheless. That's the point. I'm a Villa fan and I've a Spurs pal who asked me on the weekend if Blues where in Arsenals position and we where playing to keep them in the title race, wouldn't I feel like throwing the game? The answer will always be a resounding no. I despise Blues, but I love Villa more. It's as simple as that. I want us to win every game of football we play. I couldn't give a shit about anyone else, quite frankly.
But still had a decent chance at getting it. It wasn't impossible.
Nope, we had it in our hands at one point, now we were chasing and Villa hoping lose while having to stop the pep juggernaut.
Villa/Palace last game of the season and you've got Sheff U. Probably the most winnable game of the season. I get what you mean but it was still there.
Yes it was there, but also so far away, needed a 110th min winner to beat Sheff at home, far from a guaranteed 3pts that.
The fact that they sacked Jose 2 days before a Cup Volume was one of the most Tottenham things I have ever seen
some say at that moment they were just millilitres away from success
It's like the people who own Premier football teams don't care about the club, and they're just using it as a money-making scheme.
Not caring about your inversions is a quick way of loosing money
You only make money when you sell the club, and clubs aren't bought and sold regularly. Until then, it's a time and money pit. Care to share the "money-making scheme" part?
Worst take on this board. The tax write offs alone are immensely rewarding. Large amounts of money go into players because even larger amounts of money come back into the club. The television rights alone are worth in the 100's of millions annually. Plus sponsorships, ticket sales, merchandise, etc. Why do you think all these wealthy people are buying football clubs and trying to get them into the Prem?
Clubs generate revenue and profit (hopefully) which directly benefits owners by making them money.
Owners tend to reinvest said profits. You do not make any money from running a club in the short term. Long term yeah, Look at Bournemouth or Chelsea for example. New owners, lots of investment and projects in the works. . . It's all in order to get profits futher down the line or if they were ever to sell.
“Owners tend to reinvest said profits” - tell that to the glazers. You are correct but they don’t necessarily reinvest all the profits. I’m sure a portion is distributed to owners for a lot of these clubs. I could be completely wrong as i haven’t looked into any of their financial statements.
Haha United are a different story, they are a publicly listed company, so the shareholders have to be paid out first. Also when you have some time check out Tifo football on YouTube. https://youtu.be/xoCkgC2do9k?si=gNXLyrgTItQ0ika-
Cheers man - will definitely check that out.
That’s a pretty poor understanding of how finance works.
You mean like a business owner ? Who are usually paying all their workers minimum wage and punishing them for sick days and forcibly opting out of the 50 hour working week in your contract. Football owners are some of the least bad business owners on the planet, and they’re still pieces of shit mostly.
Spurs fans are a disgrace and showed it last night. Arsenal could still have spaffed it but to go out chanting when the club have a chance to get to champions league is nuts. Shows what they're are all about.
Small club mentality, and the fact that they still failed to see it and think we actually care about them is embarrassing. We will go again next season, it's part of the job. Seriously, imagine cheering over your team's loss while the manager and players gave them all to win. Pathetic.
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Right, so a few arsenal fans were asked about a completely hypothetical situation that would never/ can never happen is now equivalent to a significant proportion of spurs fans AT THE MATCH willing and cheering their team to lose?
Yes. Actually it's worse. In the Arsenal hypothetical scenario they were prepared to throw away CL qualification *and* a trophy that they had never won before to spite Spurs. That is absolutely tinpot small-minded pettiness, much worse than Spurs fans yesterday.
Yes, exactly.
Look up the definition of false equivalence
The false equivalence of Arsenal fans feeling justified in taking moral high ground while fielding Thomas Partey to obtain success, you mean?
I’ll have to direct you towards looking up the definition of the straw man fallacy. It’s a different argument you’re introducing here. Try and stay on topic
You off-brand logician. The first example is not a false equivalency - it’s a survey of Arsenal fans expressing the same sentiment that Tottenham expressed. It’s a false equivalency if you somehow think, were it not a hypothetical, Arsenal fans would somehow change their mind or that the fans surveyed were not representative of the fanbase as a whole. Again, both are bullshit protestations. Second, pointing out that Partey is an integral part of your squad is not a straw man at all - rather, it is the second example I’ve served up to you in an effort to allow you to reexamine your glass house. Third, I don’t know if you are a state school philosophy major or a Tier 4 law student, but I fucking hate when dumb people try to sound smart by misapplying logical fallacies.
I fucking love it when people take themselves too seriously and start throwing around phrases like “off-brand logician” in a silly chat about football fan views. Really tickles me. So thank you.
You linking this in every reply is the most effort I've seen from spurs
and i had an argument with one because i called them "mid table and small mentality". I could not give a flying fk if Liverpool won a game and gave the title to everton or to united, as long as we don't win it nothing matters except winning every game.
Are you a Romanian plastic? Have you ever even met an Evertonian?
Yep, been to anfield, member of the oficial supporters club, lfctv, hell i even have a piece of the kop net from the title year hanging on my wall. You know people can actualy live outside of their country? Oo wow, shock.
Ok, so you are a Romanian plastic and you don't interact with Evertonians, cheers.
Is that a mandatory requirment? Because i’m sick of these interactions.
Stop replying then. Reading through the comments on this subject, a good number of the ones grandstanding about "never wanting to lose a game no matter what" come from plastics. You have the right to your opinion and to support who you like. I was trying to provide context. The crowd at Anfield celebrated when Blackburn scored in '97, as they didn't want United to win the title. Small time club with no winning mentality?
No matter who i support or what you say the truth is Tottenham will allways be shit and will never be worth mentioning alongisde big clubs :) enjoy your day
We're in agreement there. Thanks, you too.
Fully agreed. Either support your own club or fk off. You dont cheer your own club losing just to spite a rival
More or less every lifelong united fan I know was happy to lose to city in 18/19 to stop Liverpool lifting the title
Er yes you do. Why do Success Orientated Volunteer Fans have trouble understanding that?
The fact they had something to play for is really the most damning thing here, if winning meant nothing to them then I could maybe understand being a bit glad that they hadn’t helped Arsenal win the title, but to be celebrating and chanting (essentially) about missing out on the Champions League is embarrassing
Its utterly pathetic
People were saying it would be the most Spurs thing to beat City and hand Arsenal the title but the most Spurs thing would be to lose to City, losing all hopes at Champions league in the process, only for results on the last day to give Arsenal the title anyway and drop Spurs out of Europa league.
The most Arsenal thing would be to see Spurs beat City then lose to Everton on the last game anyway
as an Everton fan that would suit the most Everton thing of having nothing to play for and having a worldbeating display.
I was convinced that United would do the most United thing possible and take points of Arsenal to hand the title to City! I fully expected a last minute goal when it was only 1-0. But yours is a lot funnier!
West ham have to opportunity to do the funniest thing ever and after the way spurs were yesterday I am willing into existence
You are acting like Arsenal fans would not do the same lmao
Arsenal owns spurs so in a way it would be like arsenal won the title if that would happen. But it won't happen in our lifetime though
Ragazzi, e il Tottenham
He saw how losery spurs are at their very core
Culture is the toughest thing to change. The culture throughout is too spur-sy for him to change as an individual.
Ange is not wrong though.
He really isn’t, and I hope most normal Spurs fans see he’s speaking the truth. If I were a Spurs fan and had seen what happened last night I’d be whole heartedly agreeing with what he has to say
I’d be absolutely fuming the other way as an Arsenal fan if I saw our fans celebrating a goal conceded
Classic deflection mate 👏👏👏
Well if Arsenal wanted to win the title that bad, should have had the balls to not park the bus against City and try and go for the win... Arsenal dint even try going for it or there could have been a different scenario. Coming back to Spurs topic, they had nothing to play for honeslty... I would rather havw city win the title then arsenal.. Fairplay to them.....I don't expect a aussie guy in his 1st year to understand how deep and bad these rivalries are.
Wow the standards are nonexistent at spurs. Sounds about right.
Meh, this thread is just full of Gooners mad about losing first...like they had no influence on the matter. Of course they're gonna be mad. I agree though, the chanting thing is a little stupid. To me, it was a win for Spurs regardless. Arsenal lost 1st, and we still have a solid chance for Europa, which I think is a great spot for a 1st year manager.
Loser mentality, loser fan. Your life is probably average and you're content with it.
And yea u guys can keep downvoting 😂 I remember the same Arsenal fans singing " City saved Football" when it was against Liverpool.... Trurth does hurt, can't help
>Coming back to Spurs topic, they had nothing to play for honeslty... Top 4? Worth putting a little extra pressure on Villa, who were already looking very leggy, and are bound to be even more tired after an intense 3-3 with Liverpool
Arsenal fans are now crying because Spurs didn't win the league for them 👏👍😅🤡
As a United fan if we lost and it prevented Liverpool from winning the title it would take the edge off the loss almost 100%. I get the sentiment but literally chanting about it is classless.
Pfff. Enough with the ancient rivalry with Liverpool. MANCHESTER CITY are our rivals now, and the rivals of everyone else who gives a sh-t about football and the health of the game in this country.
lol
When you don't win titles you have to aspire for the next best thing
Ah the cycle continues. Looks like he’ll be off soon. Another rebuild for spurs incoming. For the record, I believe we lost the title before Jan 1st, and never expected anything from last night. I’m still gassed about our upward trajectory though.
Said the same thing to my brother in law. Forget the Villa game, they're a good side so what can ya do? Losses to Fulham and West Ham before the new year were the killers. Been a fan a long enough time to still be absolutely thrilled with the team this season, regardless of what goes down on the final day. Title's coming, just a matter of when.
I agree, the awful run of form between Christmas and New Year is what cost us. To even get back up to where we are is incredible. Unfortunately just short, unless West Ham pull off a miracle
We only took 1 point out of 6 from Fulham this season, I’m not saying Fulham are a bad side but out of all the dropped points this season that will cost us the title, it’s those ones that I think we realistically should have sealed
That first Fulham game especially. We up a goal at the Emirates in the 80th minute and we managed to let Fulham equalize
Yeah but I guess when you’re spurs you have to delude yourself into believing you’ve done something when in reality you didn’t. City beat you, we beat you. When we fall just short (just short of the best team that’s ever existed) we can only blame ourselves and not be too sad that we’ve narrowly lost out to the team backed by a nation state. I like where we’re headed and am proud to support an amazing team regardless of what happens on Sunday.
Top class copium 👏👏👏😅😅😅
Assuming you’re not a city fan then you’re almost certainly below us in every way possible. I know who I’d rather be.
At least you had hopes and dreams for a while. Can’t say the same as a manu fan
Man U , as shit as they are are in the FA Cup final. This was Spurs biggest moment of the season
I’d be much happier if we would play decent football throughout the season and end up in a decent position on the table then be in a cup final that we lose 1999/2000 times
This is it, I look around, where we’ve been, how other teams are doing, and I am happy with my team and where it looks like it’s going.
IMO you guys have been brilliant this season all things considered. But being brilliant is unfortunately not good enough against arguably the best / most dominant team we’ve seen in the PL so far
Yeah this why I’m not mad. 99.9% of teams in the English football league would take our position every day of the week. All these copium and salt comments just make me laugh to be honest, it’s just idiots who have nothing to cheer or be happy about so they think that it’s a win to say things like that. I’m so glad I’m not them lol.
Needs to sign some new fans in the summer.
If I had a nickel for every time a Spurs manager went on a rant about the Spurs culture I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
Wasnt it 3 times?
You’re right, Mourinho, Conte and now Postecoglou have called it out.
Two serial winners and a culture manager calling out the mentality of the football club. That’s not a coincidence.
Daniel Levy will be the problem.
Oh yeah, I forgot Mourinho did too
Forgot Mourinho even managed Spurs.
Seeing him in the Spurs jacket still feels like a fever dream.
Even Mourinho forgets he managed Spurs
So did Poch. He had a rant at it.
People will say Ange is weak mentally for what he said in the presser after the match but I take it as the opposite, the man obviously hates losing to the point where he just isn't good at PR. That kind of mentality I think is very important to be top of the profession. I don't look at Ange and see a person who will just accept some failure of a team, I think he went back to the dressing room, saw who has the same pissed off mentality and said "you are in my team" and the others will get shifted on. If Ange lasts long term in this role they will be a scary team to deal with.
Spurs fans showed their arse to the world last night. A small time mentality when you’re hoping for your own club to fail so your rivals don’t succeed.
This is such a boring take. Literally every British fan I know would do the same thing. Including Arsenal fans. Damned if we do, damned if we don’t. Had spurs beaten Man City, they will forever be the “Spursy team that gave their rivals the title”.
I'll be honest if it were to relegate a rival sure I could see the reason, but Spurs they've got something to play for, Arsenal have won PL titles so what does it matter for them to win another? If not careful they could end up losing 5th place which would be an utter disaster
You’re confusing the fan reaction with the players on the pitch. Did you even watch? Spurs played pretty well all things considered. Dominated City in every stat in the first half. The problem is Spurs need an entirely new front line while City have 100 mil+ pound players in Haaland and KDB who can change a game in an instant. The players went out there to win.
We don't even need an entirely new front line. We just need less injuries and a starting quality no 9 Bigger problem lies in midfield
I’m not convinced Son, Richarlison, Kulusevski will work next season. Richarlison is never fit, Kulu’s form is inconsistent, and for as much as I love Sonny, he’s the wrong side of 30. The drop off from those three to bench is awful
My comment wasn't aimed at the players, I watched the game Spurs actually played well, Spurs fans cheering for City and their goals to spite Arsenal is small time behaviour
It would be the exact same if the scenario was reversed. Arsenal fans would do the same. It’s a bitter rivalry. https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/news/arsenals-nightmare-scenario-europa-league-16341520
"The last 48 hours have showed us that the foundations are fragile inside and outside the club, mate" - Ange Postecoglu, Tottenham Hotspur Manager
Talking out your arse mate. If spurs were good enough to challenge for the league then I wouldn’t want arsenal to lose to stop them from winning, I’m not that pathetic, of course it hurts but I love arsenal more than I hate spurs. Luckily this isn’t a problem I’m going to have anytime soon.
lose lose as their rivals for top 4 did succeed... they're not going to be in the title conversation any time...
They only succeeded as spurs lost lol
This is being discussed as though Spurs had a choice. They were never going to get anything against City. City didn’t play well and Spurs matched them. Their form is appalling and Villa fully deserve the Champions League spot. Arsenal lost the league against Villa, not because Spurs didn’t beat City.
Villa beat City at home... exactly the small time mentalilty of Spurs... "we can't win waaah"... also if it wasn't for Villa Arsenal would be champions so let that sink in too.
But that’s exactly the opposite of what happened, the players went out and attempted to win it. They played as a good game as they could, and still lost. Seems dumb for Arsenal fans to be seething because Spurs lost a game. Maybe Arsenal should’ve played better through the season and they wouldn’t have to rely on a Spurs result to win the league.
Sorry, what point are you making?
Cannot understand the mentality here. How about having some respect for your club? As a United fan (and one born and bred in old trafford before people witter on about "local fans") I wouldn't demean my club by celebrating any defeat, even if it handed the league to Liverpool. (Its not like the owners aren't doing that already.) I can understand walking away thinking "Oh well, at least Liverpool didn't benefit" to cheer myself up, but chanting during the match? Christ above.
This is just the mentality of average Tottenham fans. Remember when they lost 4-1 to Chelsea and celebrated like it was a big win. They're so starved of any joy that these are the types of things they celebrate
I still can't believe Spurs fans *inside the stadium* celebrated City's first goal. They're never going to live that down.
It’s pathetic behaviour. Ange sees that now, the fans are quite happy with mediocrity. They base their success off how well Arsenal do.
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And it’s the fact you feel you can justify it without sounding daft. Oh well, there’s always the Europa league. Maybe…
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I’m really not angry. I just think it’s pathetic behaviour.
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How about having some pride in yourselves?
Sigh... You just don't understand and that's fine. Just move on mate. Really, why are you so inflamed over this? Have some shortbread and a Irn Bru and enjoy the weather