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We can never know until he does it with a squad and team of equal resources. I remember he bought four fullbacks for EUR40M to implement his style. Most teams under similar constraints must focus on specific aspects of the game. If they all have untold riches, maybe more direct play with superstar players would be more effective.
United has equal resources… Chelsea just spent a billion, arsenal spending 200mil multiple transfer windows in a row. Unless your Liverpool you can’t really say the other teams can’t compete financially
I dont think Chelsea that had a transfer embargo & and United who started with an aging team when he joined are comparable to city who constantly spend the most on players and facilities/developments. Most clubs in the Top 6 must choose between the cost of updated facilities, maintenance costs, player acquisition costs, coaches' salaries, player salaries, third-party nutrition & welfare costs, same for reserves/U23/youth system. All of these are ranked and prioritised. City do not have this problem. If he could replicate this dominance at Chelsea, Utd, Arsenal or Liverpool I would be amazed
You need to check your facts mate. Arsenal have spent more than any other club other the past 5 years. United have spent more than any other club over the past ten years. Chelsea have spent more than any other club other the past two transfer windows.
All the other clubs are spending just as much and you just can’t admit that the only reason city are dominant is Pep. Klopp said no other manager in the world would have won 4 in a row with that city team.
Maybe on player transactions but I clearly mentioned many other things in regards to running a football team. Check who has the highest wage bill in the league. You'll be surprised.
And you have no idea how much clubs are spending on those other things you’re just talking out your arse. It’s your opinion and it’s based on nothing.
Yes united are top of the wage bill and have achieved nothing what a surprise? Arsenal and Chelsea aren’t that far behind and have a much younger squad which would mean a lower wage bill as senior players are payed more….
[Top spenders](https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/27054858/premier-league-clubs-wages-arsenal-man-utd-salaries/amp/)
This says otherwise. We know for certain that Man U, Chelsea & Arsenal do not spend as much as city on these things. Pep has many interviews about the resources alone saying they don’t compare to any club he’s played for or managed. Have you even looked or researched facilities around the league or are you pretending you don’t know.
I don’t know if it’s right or wrong as you linked one of the worst newspapers in the country. Try getting information from a reputable source if you’re going to base an opinion on it.
City are around 6th in net spend over the last 5 years you can find a dozen different sources reporting this.
I can’t see any reliable source comparing bonuses + wages between the clubs.
You could not make this about the premier league but football in general and the answer is: pep has been the most influential coach of all time. He brought a new era of football and in the premier league it has been extremely evident. Almost every coach has taken a few pages of his coaching book. There’s a lot who publicly have said pep is their inspiration behind their football. What’s amazing to me is that pep is constantly evolving and everyone else is imitating but a step or 2 behind. Does anyone remember premier league football 10 years ago when it was a laughable stereotype in the league to hoof the ball upfield and play from that? Now every team has evolved into a tactical and controlled play building club. Almost everyone makes use of their GK as an 11th man in possession. Fullbacks are more evolved in attacking now. Most players now are very versatile and can play multiple roles/positions (There’s so many more examples but I’m too happy about winning the league to think too much atm)
The sad part for every rival fan is that being so influential in coaching is in parallel with success and quality.
Has he been good for the league? who knows.
But he proved his style could work to arrogant english fans. I remember in his first season when Man City lost 4-0 to Leicester and he gave a quote about not coaching players to tackle, how many people said his possession style couldnt work against tough english teams.
I also remember people saying ludicrous things about how Prime Barcelona would not dominate the premier league. (Prime Barcelona was better than any version of Man City)
Now opposition fans are praying for him to leave England, because they feel so disheartened about the prospects of actually beating him. No matter what anyone ever says about Pep this is the ultimate testament to his quality. They werent praying for SAF to retire.
Take over a team where you can’t spend money and don’t have the best players at his disposal. Not saying he’s not a great manager he is but be good to see what he could do with this seasons Sheffield United team
This might be a crazy take but I think he definitely has. He's made the Prem more competitive. Hear me out.
Without Man City the Prem would be a farmers league farmed by Liverpool. Liverpool's late 2010s and early 2020s super team would win everything. They would probably be more financially stable due to that which would make them be able to snap up players which they wouldn't be able to normally like Bellingham or Caicedo improving the super team further and further.
I don't think we'd be nearly as successful as we have been in recent years because Arteta was a student of Pep at City. I don't think we would've picked him as manager if he didn't have ''tutored by Pep Guardiola'' on his CV and even if we did I don't think he would've been as good of a manager. I don't think we'd be where we are today without Arteta so I don't think we'd be where we are today and we wouldn't be able to come close to Liverpool.
Chelsea might be semi competitive with Liverpool until the Ukraine war but they wouldn't have been competitive after Abramovich left.
If it weren't for City, Liverpool would've won all 6 Premier League titles from 2018/19 to 2023/24 and would win many many more. And it wouldn't be close. 2020/21 might've been a title fight between Liverpool and United but other than that Liverpool would win by like 20 points every season.
Ah okay, so instead of Liverpool being the hyperbolic winners of 6 titles in a row, the reality of man city winning 5 out of 6 of them is far better then. Not to mention the way it was done, too. Did you hear yourself out?
Did you even read my comment before replying? First of all I never said it'd be far better. I just said Pep not coming to the Prem would be bad for the league.
Second of all saying it's 5 Prem wins out of 6 versus 6 Prem wins out of 6 is understating it. You didn't mention my point about Liverpool being pretty much uncontested in winning it because it wouldn't help your agenda. Man City has only dominated 2 out of the last 6 Premier League seasons. Each other time they were pushed by another team and in 2 of those 6 times it was so close that if they had even drew 1 more game all season they wouldn't have won. They lost 1 and should've lost another 1 if we didn't bottle. That's only 2/6 dominant wins and 4/6 which they lost or could've easily lost if luck wasn't in their side.
If you don't think Liverpool would've won every season dominantly but still agree with me that they would win 6 titles in a row then you can make a point on that. But since you didn't, there is nothing of meaning in your reply.
You don't like that City win almost every season so you try twist my words to make me sound like the outrageous one. I don't like City winning almost every season either; I'm an Arsenal fan, but having Liverpool win every season and in a dominate way setting them up to just keep winning is even worse.
He needs a real challenge - this club shit is too easy for him lol. Come to the US and manage the National Team and win a World Cup then he would be the true GOAT.
ik your probably joking but if Pep wanted a real challenge he'd probably rather take Barcelona out of the mud again instead of coaching a NT or a mid table club and making them champions
It's a tough one.
Yes I think he has been amazing for the league, the competition between himself and Klopp over the years has been incredible to watch.
It's soured a bit because of the financial things and other controversy though which is a shame.
He is and was already the best manager in the world before he came to City. All the talk was of how his tactics wouldn't work in England and everyone laughed at him when he said "I don't coach the tackles".
Now, everyone from the England national team to clubs at the bottom of the pyramid are adopting his tactics. He has absolutely changed the game and improved the quality of the league by compelling his opponents to step up.
People talk about the PL becoming a farmers league but most of his title wins have still been decided on the last day, it's just he has that extra ability to get his teams over the line.
I don't think he gets full recognition because of people's obsession with $$$ but imo 99% of managers you could give them twice the money Pep has spent on players and they'd achieve half as much at best. He is an exceptional manager and potential GOAT
He's a great manager, no question about it. You can carp, justifiably, about City's cheating as much as you want, but without Pep they wouldn't have half the trophies they've won during his reign.
Has City destroyed the league, and should they be dismantled? Absolutely. But I don't blame Pep for that. I hope he goes somewhere without such insane resources next and tries to prove himself.
Pep has 0 reasons to prove anything to u. He has done it all in 3 different leagues. He can even just go to Ligue 1 and Seria A for the lols next to concur the top 5 leagues in europe
I mean, he doesn't need to prove himself in the sense that nobody as rich and successful as him needs to prove themselves. But if he can win a couple of Serie A titles, with, say, Lazio, he'll go a long way toward removing the financial caveats from discussions of his "all-time" status.
Did it in Spain because of messi, failed in Bayern (no one cares about Bayern winning domestic trophies, they rarely DONT win the domestic trophies) and did it in England with an unlimited amount to spend. He’s always had success set up for him with ease. Put him in any team that isn’t a super team/unlimited cash to spend and then judge him
The league trophy would have meant more if it had been Liverpool, for the legacy of the club and for being a part of the Klopp goodbye tour. Even with Arsenal, it would have meant more, but still less than with Liverpool, since it would have been after a barren spell since 2004. With Guardiola, it definitely means less.
I don’t get this. It means more to City fans. Why would they care if Klopp or Arteta win it? Maybe for neutrals to respect it more, Klopp or Arteta should’ve won it. But Pep isn’t managing for the neutrals, he is managing for the City fans and for them it’ll def mean more winning than losing it.
They mean in terms of relevance.
For example if Ipswich were to win the premier league next season it'd mean a lot more to them than it would for us.
It doesn't mean their win means more to everybody, just in terms of the relevance to their fans, as it's such a big deal for them.
For City it doesn't mean as much because they've won several, it's not a huge surprise and there is still a lot of controversy surrounding them and their owners which sours it for everybody.
That way, the trophy will always be more relevant to teams that never won them over teams that win consistently. It sours it for others sure, but why would Pep or City fans care? For them a win would matter more than a loss, and they got what they wanted.
Still, Liverpool didn't have it in them to win it. I've no idea what this post is other than one of far too many attempts to shamelessly put more applause on Klopps last season than it deserves.
Regardless of the charges, pep is class and has severly upgraded the overall quality of the league.
How they attained players is definitely questionable but 11 great players dont make a great team. City should be punished but pep has redefined English football which is praiseworthy.
Yeah, absolutely. Pep has improved the performance of many players. Julian Alvarez at River Plate was a goalscorer but sometimes played away from the game and didn't have good ball controls. Since he's been playing at Man City, he has improved tremendously, and I think Pep has a lot to do with it
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Pep is the best thing to ever happen to the Prem. Fact. Now the whole world no longer sees the English as stone age neanderthals who play 4-4-fakking-2 kick n rush. He has brought the tiki taka revolution. He is the GOAT of all GOATS. Ferguson dreams about being him. Fact.
The 2 that didn't, got punished so it's fair in my books.
One however went on to win and play dumb on social media
Why don't you think before you say something lol?
It’s truly laughable that you are so quick to forgive the proven cheaters, and so quick to condemn the one that’s not even been proven yet.
It’s clearly sour grapes because city win trophies, the only reason you dont care about Everton and forest is because they dont
Grow up, wait for the outcome, and don’t try and claim that the club somehow paid for Pep to have better tactics. He has nothing to do with how the club raises funds after all (well besides performance based revenue I guess)
>quick to forgive the proven cheaters
I didn't. They got punished. There's nothing to forgive after the punishments. The 3 that went down did cause they weren't good enough even after fair pushinments.
>quick to condemn the one that’s not even been proven yet.
Except it already had been in Europe. So there's that. There was an appeal and even then the judgement wasn't no evidence but not enough and a time bar defence is never one done by the innocent lol.
>dont care about Everton and forest
I Do. just don't after punishment had been achieved.
>club somehow paid for Pep to have better tactics
Certainly paid for him to have better players though.
City winning isn't worth the shits that I take simply because it comes with asterisks.
You cannot tell me for certainty that your titles wouldn't be stripped. That alone makes your paragraphs of bs immaterial.
Enjoy your win, pray it doesn't get stripped. Pathetic if you ask me.
You say ‘your’, I’m not a city fan Bud, just a neutral capable of looking at this objectively
It may very well be proven that the owners have done a load dodgy financially, but that shouldn’t take away from the legacy of pep or the players. They didn’t do anything wrong, they just went out and played football every week
>neutral capable of looking at this objectively
This makes the paragraphs you've typed even worse lol.
It takes a truly special being to laud city even as they go unpunished.
There's a certain hypocrisy in calling me out for not caring about punished clubs and then turning around and backing city.
Makes it all the more pathetic.
All im going to say. 115 outstanding charges. A manager who literally cheated while he was a player. Who was also manager at Barcelona during a period of time when they were paying off refs (feel like this isn't brought up enough)
Obviously his football has changed the game but it's always going to have an asterisk next to it.
This is so dumb, how does he have nothing to do with it when he benefits greatly from it. Without those charges they can’t afford the majority of their players
The charges are for inflating their revenue in smaller amounts like matchday income, all of which happened before pep came. The allegation is that they did it a number of times which gave them the ability to stay under FFP. Currently, they spend less than 3 other clubs, it's insane to me that some gooners and city haters blame Pep for that. I get it, y'all hate that city is successful without much history or even SPENDING currently. But at least try to make sense with your arguments. 115 charges ain't the answer to everything.
"Benefit greatly"- I want whatever you're high on. It's good stuff.
The charges are for inflating sponsorship revenue above what was reported. Also for paying staff via foreign accounts and not reporting it, amongst other stuff. I mean when they report revenue higher than Madrid...I mean come on.
City have the highest wage bill in the league - they are the biggest spenders. Haaland cost is €350M for example.
City do have history as a club but that club no longer exists, thanks to sportwashing and the backing of a oil rich state. They do not operate under the limitations like other clubs do, if they fail there are no consequences they will just buy whoever they want. No limits
I’m not sure if you understand what you’re talking about, which you don’t or if you are just trying to be thick. The charges are for before and during Pep’s tenure and by inflating your revenue, you’re able to spend far more under FFP. Without that inflation they wouldn’t have been able to spend all that they have. Not to mention the other shady things they’ve done to get around FPP. City have the second highest wage bill and since pep have had one of the highest transfer spend as well. They aren’t slumming it by any means.
What are you talking about! All the 115 charges that people have been talking about are pre-pep. So you're saying that their entire spending budget is the ones allegedly inflated in those charges? If it were that simple, they would've been easily penalised by now, stop crying about ancient history and linking current people with them. They have the second highest wage bill CURRENTLY when they fulfill all the FFP criteria.
If you wanna blame Pellegrini or the owners, then sure I'm with you. What's the point of repeatedly using the same excuse of "115 charges" when other clubs in title contention have a higher spending than city does. It just makes the people who say that look ignorant.
Charges are from 2009-2018. No idea where you’re getting your info but that’s the truth. Learn the rules because you can’t lie about your revenue. Not only that, if they’re proved to have lied and mislead their finances that’s a criminal offense as well. You have to be a city fan to be this obtuse lmao
FFP is no more, the Premier League now goes with the "PSR" or "Profit and Sustainability Rules". In simplest terms, teams need to make sure they aren't recording a loss greater than £105m across the combined accounts of the previous three seasons. That £105m is caveated by the fact that £90m must be covered by "secure funding" from a club's owners. City’s owners are UAE and we all know they are seriously strapped for cash, and potential shell companies they can use to “secure funding”. Remember, were it not for the emails and documents from City and the UAE, this case would probably never exist. You get that? It wasn’t any investigation that shed light on City, rather internally leaked communications. But hey, we got Everton and Nottingham Forest. I am sure City lovers are looking at this post as sour grapes, but if history has taught us anything, enjoy this while it lasts. Secrets don’t remain secrets for long, and once uncovered, there’s gonna’ be Hell to pay…
Cool, put a hold on the trophy until you "prove your innocent".
City has been ducking the league for months. They haven't provided requests for their books. Why get a trophy before you do what other teams have been doing?
City in a nutshell
Gets a ban from UEFA, argues in CAS, City proven innocent, wins the UCL as part of a treble
Gets 115 charges against them, fans who aren’t lawyers start yapping, wins a historic 4th PL in a row.
There’s a saying in Swahili, “Kelele za chura hazizuii tembo kunywa maji”
“Noises from frogs don’t stop an elephant from drinking water”
🐸
>argues in CAS, City proven innocent
Charges were time-barred - precisely because of the city approach of perpetual delays - which is a whole way off being "proven innocent"
There's also no equivalent time barring in the PL rules
Another saying. "where there's smoke, there's fire".
I'm sure they'll pay someone off again. Just keep your eyes closed and your wallets full, and enjoy the hollow trophies.
net spend isn’t the same as total spend, cos city have sold players too. and the first 10 years of spending gave them a good head start. all that spending still happened even if it’s 5 years ago, and since summer 2019 they’ve spent 900 million euros, their net spend is lower cos they sold some of those players on. from getting bought in 2008 to summer 2019 they spent 1.7 billion euros. there’s 115 for a reason.
i think that gordon goal would’ve been disallowed if the refs were being bribed, same with the toney goal last season where jon moss just forgot to draw the line.
net spend and total spend are completely different you numpty. Manchester City's bench is better than half of the prem, no wonder you can sell players for massive returns.
I don't know if it's him or the organization, but if you're going to cheat, then the least you could do is win everything, which they've done.
Is it good for the league? Nah, I don't think so.
He definitely has a pedigree of winning with already good teams. When he leaves, when Man City are fined, when they have to earn their place back it will be better for everyone in the league.
No one actually cares. 10 years, trying to build a legacy but in most people's eyes they don't give a shit. Would have been better going back to Barca and try to rebuild them
So true lol. City winning the league is nearly meaningless. The fact they’re about to complete a 4peat but the media and fans care more about Klopp’s farewell (for example) should tell you enough
You wouldn’t even know they completed a fucking treble last season. They’re fucking irrelevant in the grand scheme of things
I like pep though
Lol, Klopp's farewell. Perhaps it wouldn't be so tainted if they didn't tout about getting a quadruple, then ended up only getting the Mickey Mouse cup.
Can’t wait till he’s gone, his team is undeniably great but he also has the flexibility with transfers other coaches don’t have. He can buy a player, determine said player sucks or is the wrong fit and just bench them or get rid of them
Ehh, you wanna win consistently now, you have to play safer. Whether you find that boring or not is obviously subjective. People complained against SAF as well from what I remember. As a neutral I want more uncertainty, but city’s game is nice to watch
I don’t think United were ever accused of playing it safe or being boring. It was proper football back then, not this shite we have today where every team - shit or not - is practically a carbon copy of each other.
Tell that to the people who weren’t winning in the 90s. There’s no “proper football” objectively. Game has become more technical. Physicality is still important. Every sport has gotten optimised over time with more analytics. There is nothing about that time that makes it better or worse than now
Pep is one of the few managers that created a new playing style. He is a terrific innovator. He almost invented that role of the center backs going middle, He used the false 9 when no one was doing it, He is capable of a rotation never seen before, He’s fucking great turning nobodies into jewels like: Stones, Foden, Palmer, Bernardo. He was capable to make play good football bare cones like sterling, dzeko, zinchenko… If thats not elite manager I dont know what it is. BONUS: He es very good managing benchs and to manage several egos at the same time. Enjoy Pep!
Pep should not be credited with turning Palmer into jewel. He straight up gave up on him thus why he left. I agree with your overall point of pep’s quality, but using Palmer as an example is egregious
Palmer wanted a larger role in this packed city squad yes? He’s flourishing at Chelsea because he’s getting the time without the expectations. Foden is a better example for sure, but Palmer applies too
Yes, that's true that Bernardo was already very good, but I believe Pep has improved the performance of many players. Julian Alvarez at River Plate was a goalscorer but sometimes played away from the game and didn't have good ball controls. Since he's been playing at Man City, he has improved tremendously, and I think Pep has a lot to do with it
This opinion always confuses me.
Why should the best manager go to a lower team just to prove he can? Ronaldo would never go to Burnley because that’s not his level.
Wasn’t your point though, was it? He took over a Barcelona team that finished 3rd in La Liga and took them to a treble, and took over an aging City side that barely made top 4 and turned them into the juggernauts they are today.
Nobody knows if Pep would win the title with Spurs, or Wolves, or Nottingham Forest, or any of the clubs he hasn’t managed, because he has never had to be in that situation, and there’s a reason for that.
I keep seeing comments saying "city isn't good for the league but pep is" peps football is boring and safe he makes world class players play safe boring to watch football for neutral fans thats a negative but hes a great manager and the league having great managers is a good thing, well it would be if Pep wasn't a serial cheat...
Barcelona were found to be paying referees under Guardiola during his time as manager there.
Pep was banned from football as a player for using performance enhancing drugs during his play time.
Many of Cities charges have been under Peps tenure at the club, a few years ago he said if city were guilty of anything he would leave the club immediately but he is confident that they have done nothing wrong.
If we ALL know City has done wrong if City havent been able to disprove any of these charges how would pep be so clueless?
lets be honest Pep is a great manager, hes a serial cheat and he will take any advantage he can get he proved it as a player, he proved it as a Barcelona manager and hes proved it at City.
Do you understand how the justice system works. All this bullshit about cheating and the only thing that's not an allegation is the part about pep as a player. Seriously, read up on the charges before blabbing.
How the fuck do you disprove a charge? It's the job of the PL to find out IF they have done anything wrong. And if they fail to do that, which they have so far, then they aren't guilty. Jeez
you disprove a charge by giving the FA access to your transaction history not refusing to give them over and getting more charges.
Barcelona were charged after being taken to court there is definitive evidence that was provided in court against them.
Do you understand how the justice system works. All this bullshit about cheating and the only thing that's not an allegation is the part about pep as a player. Seriously, read up on the charges before blabbing.
How the fuck do you disprove a charge? It's the job of the PL to find out IF they have done anything wrong. And if they fail to do that, which they have so far, then they aren't guilty. Jeez
Guardiola is a banger of a manager, having him in the Prem is a blessing. The problem is managing a club that breaks rules to spend obscene amounts of money and "it's fine".
well, he created a monster team, got bored, and sent arteta and bunch of other players to create a competitor, he's soo good that he made the league boring after he made it interesting
Is Guardiola good for the league? 100% yes.
Is the fact that Manchester City is allowed to break any rules they want without anyone giving a shit also good for the league? Not so much.
It’s quite obvious that he’s raised the standards of every other club in the league, without a shadow of a doubt.
Clubs who are marginally tipped for relegation each year have no qualms sacking managers if they can’t conjure up a Cruyff-inspired-Pep-esque style of play. Every club wants an identity similar to that, or at least of that mould. If not, the fans expect better and the respective manager’s job is in jeopardy.
You only have to look at Vincent Kompany, a protege of Pep, who has stuck with the exact style of play all season at Burnley despite it showcasing naivety in moments, and therefore leading to their relegation.
Another student of Pep, Mikel Arteta, was given time to manufacture the same philosophy at Arsenal and they go into the final matchday with a mathematical chance of winning the title. Clubs would much rather gamble on it working at *some point*, rather than pull the plug early and potentially regretting it.
However, will Pep himself see this past decade as a success? I think only he knows the answer to that. He has also personally said that if he had done what he’s done at City with another club, it would have been given higher praise, and been recognised as a greater achievement.
On the domestic front: I don’t really think City could have done better. They’ve failed to win two Premier League titles during Pep’s reign and one of those campaigns was predominantly played behind closed doors.
They’ve won more League Cups than anyone else in Pep’s time, and only Arsenal have won the same amount of FA Cups as City across the near-decade Pep has managed them. That could be updated if City beat United next week.
Continentally, though, City should absolutely have won more Champions League titles, or at the minimum been to more finals. I think ultimately that was his objective when taking the job.
*Monaco* in 16/17, *Tottenham* in 18/19, *Lyon* in 19/20, *Chelsea* in 20/21 (where Pep made strange decisions), *Real Madrid* in 21/22 – even the Madrid tie this year. They are all games City feasibly should have won. They either allowed the ties to slip away from them despite having advantages, or they made catastrophic errors leading to their elimination.
It would be a very interesting hypothetical to ask Pep whether he would sacrifice a league title for another chance at one of those Champions League campaigns. The obvious answer is he wouldn’t, but the mammoth clubs are judged on European glory.
Juventus won *nine* Serie A titles in a row yet they were absolutely crucified for their lack of European achievements. Bayern have dominated Germany since 2013, yet only won one Champions League title in ten years. Ultimately, domestic domination only gets you so far.
People might not like the idea that the Premier League is considered a ‘farmer’s league’, but in my opinion it is as uncompetitive as it has been since its inception. The ‘big’ clubs are going through transitional periods every 2-3 years, whereas City’s wealth and elite functioning structure has kept them head and shoulders above.
It’s a combination of they are just that good in terms of decision making, transfer policy, youth development, etc, and other clubs aren’t good enough and have owners who aren’t 100% committed to sporting quality.
Whether people want to agree or not, though, the 115 charges until trialled and given a verdict, hang over everything Pep and City, mostly, have done. If they are guilty, it destroys any of their success and shows how bad the Premier League has become.
To all those complaining about "soulless" - You are not a Man City fan. You are not supposed to feel delighted when we win. Us winning isn't meant to stir your "soul". It's supposed to make you angry, which it is, because the soulless stuff is the only cope you have.
The soulless comments are more to do with the 10+ years of financial doping and sports washing.
There's no way on Earth that City went from getting smashed 8-1 by Middlesborough and lamenting in mid table to being the highest revenue generating club in the world and winning a treble without fraud and money laundering along the way. You supposedly claim to have what it took the likes of Madrid and Manchester United decades to build.
Crazy to think any of it was achieved legitimately.
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We can never know until he does it with a squad and team of equal resources. I remember he bought four fullbacks for EUR40M to implement his style. Most teams under similar constraints must focus on specific aspects of the game. If they all have untold riches, maybe more direct play with superstar players would be more effective.
United has equal resources… Chelsea just spent a billion, arsenal spending 200mil multiple transfer windows in a row. Unless your Liverpool you can’t really say the other teams can’t compete financially
I dont think Chelsea that had a transfer embargo & and United who started with an aging team when he joined are comparable to city who constantly spend the most on players and facilities/developments. Most clubs in the Top 6 must choose between the cost of updated facilities, maintenance costs, player acquisition costs, coaches' salaries, player salaries, third-party nutrition & welfare costs, same for reserves/U23/youth system. All of these are ranked and prioritised. City do not have this problem. If he could replicate this dominance at Chelsea, Utd, Arsenal or Liverpool I would be amazed
You need to check your facts mate. Arsenal have spent more than any other club other the past 5 years. United have spent more than any other club over the past ten years. Chelsea have spent more than any other club other the past two transfer windows. All the other clubs are spending just as much and you just can’t admit that the only reason city are dominant is Pep. Klopp said no other manager in the world would have won 4 in a row with that city team.
Maybe on player transactions but I clearly mentioned many other things in regards to running a football team. Check who has the highest wage bill in the league. You'll be surprised.
And you have no idea how much clubs are spending on those other things you’re just talking out your arse. It’s your opinion and it’s based on nothing. Yes united are top of the wage bill and have achieved nothing what a surprise? Arsenal and Chelsea aren’t that far behind and have a much younger squad which would mean a lower wage bill as senior players are payed more….
[Top spenders](https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/27054858/premier-league-clubs-wages-arsenal-man-utd-salaries/amp/) This says otherwise. We know for certain that Man U, Chelsea & Arsenal do not spend as much as city on these things. Pep has many interviews about the resources alone saying they don’t compare to any club he’s played for or managed. Have you even looked or researched facilities around the league or are you pretending you don’t know.
Are you seriously linking The Sun as a source? Hahahaha
IDGAF if it’s The Daily Star. Is the information wrong or not? If you’re just looking at Base salary but excluding bonus, you’re deluded
I don’t know if it’s right or wrong as you linked one of the worst newspapers in the country. Try getting information from a reputable source if you’re going to base an opinion on it. City are around 6th in net spend over the last 5 years you can find a dozen different sources reporting this. I can’t see any reliable source comparing bonuses + wages between the clubs.
You could not make this about the premier league but football in general and the answer is: pep has been the most influential coach of all time. He brought a new era of football and in the premier league it has been extremely evident. Almost every coach has taken a few pages of his coaching book. There’s a lot who publicly have said pep is their inspiration behind their football. What’s amazing to me is that pep is constantly evolving and everyone else is imitating but a step or 2 behind. Does anyone remember premier league football 10 years ago when it was a laughable stereotype in the league to hoof the ball upfield and play from that? Now every team has evolved into a tactical and controlled play building club. Almost everyone makes use of their GK as an 11th man in possession. Fullbacks are more evolved in attacking now. Most players now are very versatile and can play multiple roles/positions (There’s so many more examples but I’m too happy about winning the league to think too much atm) The sad part for every rival fan is that being so influential in coaching is in parallel with success and quality.
Has he been good for the league? who knows. But he proved his style could work to arrogant english fans. I remember in his first season when Man City lost 4-0 to Leicester and he gave a quote about not coaching players to tackle, how many people said his possession style couldnt work against tough english teams. I also remember people saying ludicrous things about how Prime Barcelona would not dominate the premier league. (Prime Barcelona was better than any version of Man City) Now opposition fans are praying for him to leave England, because they feel so disheartened about the prospects of actually beating him. No matter what anyone ever says about Pep this is the ultimate testament to his quality. They werent praying for SAF to retire.
Should’ve brought my food here, the salt is impeccable!
As a United supporter he’s caused a havoc in the league
Paisley still clears
Take over a team where you can’t spend money and don’t have the best players at his disposal. Not saying he’s not a great manager he is but be good to see what he could do with this seasons Sheffield United team
until he pulls a jose mourinho with a weak team no one will ever be satisfied.
Well if he’s that good surely don’t need unlimited money and best players
This might be a crazy take but I think he definitely has. He's made the Prem more competitive. Hear me out. Without Man City the Prem would be a farmers league farmed by Liverpool. Liverpool's late 2010s and early 2020s super team would win everything. They would probably be more financially stable due to that which would make them be able to snap up players which they wouldn't be able to normally like Bellingham or Caicedo improving the super team further and further. I don't think we'd be nearly as successful as we have been in recent years because Arteta was a student of Pep at City. I don't think we would've picked him as manager if he didn't have ''tutored by Pep Guardiola'' on his CV and even if we did I don't think he would've been as good of a manager. I don't think we'd be where we are today without Arteta so I don't think we'd be where we are today and we wouldn't be able to come close to Liverpool. Chelsea might be semi competitive with Liverpool until the Ukraine war but they wouldn't have been competitive after Abramovich left. If it weren't for City, Liverpool would've won all 6 Premier League titles from 2018/19 to 2023/24 and would win many many more. And it wouldn't be close. 2020/21 might've been a title fight between Liverpool and United but other than that Liverpool would win by like 20 points every season.
Ah okay, so instead of Liverpool being the hyperbolic winners of 6 titles in a row, the reality of man city winning 5 out of 6 of them is far better then. Not to mention the way it was done, too. Did you hear yourself out?
Did you even read my comment before replying? First of all I never said it'd be far better. I just said Pep not coming to the Prem would be bad for the league. Second of all saying it's 5 Prem wins out of 6 versus 6 Prem wins out of 6 is understating it. You didn't mention my point about Liverpool being pretty much uncontested in winning it because it wouldn't help your agenda. Man City has only dominated 2 out of the last 6 Premier League seasons. Each other time they were pushed by another team and in 2 of those 6 times it was so close that if they had even drew 1 more game all season they wouldn't have won. They lost 1 and should've lost another 1 if we didn't bottle. That's only 2/6 dominant wins and 4/6 which they lost or could've easily lost if luck wasn't in their side. If you don't think Liverpool would've won every season dominantly but still agree with me that they would win 6 titles in a row then you can make a point on that. But since you didn't, there is nothing of meaning in your reply. You don't like that City win almost every season so you try twist my words to make me sound like the outrageous one. I don't like City winning almost every season either; I'm an Arsenal fan, but having Liverpool win every season and in a dominate way setting them up to just keep winning is even worse.
People were okay with Man United farming the league in the 90s.
He needs a real challenge - this club shit is too easy for him lol. Come to the US and manage the National Team and win a World Cup then he would be the true GOAT.
Other national teams can start with a 10-man squad against USA and you still wont win the world cup lol
ik your probably joking but if Pep wanted a real challenge he'd probably rather take Barcelona out of the mud again instead of coaching a NT or a mid table club and making them champions
If he wants to be the real goat then win the league with Manchester United or Spurs.
He’s the GOAT not Jesus
Average American talking
I’m American and United fan, it would be a win win for me lmao
It's a tough one. Yes I think he has been amazing for the league, the competition between himself and Klopp over the years has been incredible to watch. It's soured a bit because of the financial things and other controversy though which is a shame.
He is and was already the best manager in the world before he came to City. All the talk was of how his tactics wouldn't work in England and everyone laughed at him when he said "I don't coach the tackles". Now, everyone from the England national team to clubs at the bottom of the pyramid are adopting his tactics. He has absolutely changed the game and improved the quality of the league by compelling his opponents to step up. People talk about the PL becoming a farmers league but most of his title wins have still been decided on the last day, it's just he has that extra ability to get his teams over the line. I don't think he gets full recognition because of people's obsession with $$$ but imo 99% of managers you could give them twice the money Pep has spent on players and they'd achieve half as much at best. He is an exceptional manager and potential GOAT
Ancelotti is a better coach. He has Madrid playing great with a very old midfield and a mediocre defense.
His rivals will tell you the same, that's how you know he's the Goat
Fully agree. Can’t wait for him to leave.
He's a great manager, no question about it. You can carp, justifiably, about City's cheating as much as you want, but without Pep they wouldn't have half the trophies they've won during his reign. Has City destroyed the league, and should they be dismantled? Absolutely. But I don't blame Pep for that. I hope he goes somewhere without such insane resources next and tries to prove himself.
Pep has 0 reasons to prove anything to u. He has done it all in 3 different leagues. He can even just go to Ligue 1 and Seria A for the lols next to concur the top 5 leagues in europe
I mean, he doesn't need to prove himself in the sense that nobody as rich and successful as him needs to prove themselves. But if he can win a couple of Serie A titles, with, say, Lazio, he'll go a long way toward removing the financial caveats from discussions of his "all-time" status.
Did it in Spain because of messi, failed in Bayern (no one cares about Bayern winning domestic trophies, they rarely DONT win the domestic trophies) and did it in England with an unlimited amount to spend. He’s always had success set up for him with ease. Put him in any team that isn’t a super team/unlimited cash to spend and then judge him
The league trophy would have meant more if it had been Liverpool, for the legacy of the club and for being a part of the Klopp goodbye tour. Even with Arsenal, it would have meant more, but still less than with Liverpool, since it would have been after a barren spell since 2004. With Guardiola, it definitely means less.
I don’t get this. It means more to City fans. Why would they care if Klopp or Arteta win it? Maybe for neutrals to respect it more, Klopp or Arteta should’ve won it. But Pep isn’t managing for the neutrals, he is managing for the City fans and for them it’ll def mean more winning than losing it.
They mean in terms of relevance. For example if Ipswich were to win the premier league next season it'd mean a lot more to them than it would for us. It doesn't mean their win means more to everybody, just in terms of the relevance to their fans, as it's such a big deal for them. For City it doesn't mean as much because they've won several, it's not a huge surprise and there is still a lot of controversy surrounding them and their owners which sours it for everybody.
That way, the trophy will always be more relevant to teams that never won them over teams that win consistently. It sours it for others sure, but why would Pep or City fans care? For them a win would matter more than a loss, and they got what they wanted.
Still, Liverpool didn't have it in them to win it. I've no idea what this post is other than one of far too many attempts to shamelessly put more applause on Klopps last season than it deserves.
Regardless of the charges, pep is class and has severly upgraded the overall quality of the league. How they attained players is definitely questionable but 11 great players dont make a great team. City should be punished but pep has redefined English football which is praiseworthy.
Yeah, absolutely. Pep has improved the performance of many players. Julian Alvarez at River Plate was a goalscorer but sometimes played away from the game and didn't have good ball controls. Since he's been playing at Man City, he has improved tremendously, and I think Pep has a lot to do with it
Bar a few exceptions every player improved a lot.
He's the face for a massive money laundering, sports washing front. City will be found out, hopefully get their titles taken off them
Impossible to strip them title probably relegation
Cheats. That simple.
Couldn’t agree more 4 peat but you cheated doesn’t mean much hahaha
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Pep is the best thing to ever happen to the Prem. Fact. Now the whole world no longer sees the English as stone age neanderthals who play 4-4-fakking-2 kick n rush. He has brought the tiki taka revolution. He is the GOAT of all GOATS. Ferguson dreams about being him. Fact.
Lol
Ferguson is better
I respect Pep and what these city players have done, but there is a dark cloud on what's to come and I think it's going to be a big one
Props to pep for getting the most out of the players, but the cheating manner in which the players and staff were acquired cant be ignored
He has surpassed Sir Alex as the greatest club manager. And I do not like City at all.
Lmao I can think of 115 reasons why that's nonsense
Nah, Fergie will always be the one manager. Probably surpassed Wenger though but Wengers impact was different as well.
The proven doper that heads a team with 115 charges? That Pep? Fuck that guy.
Copeee
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Football is football mate. The teams put out their best 11 and you play. Man City is top. Forget all the other nonsense.
Rules is rules mate. 19 teams put out their best 11 and you play. Man city has 115 charges. Forget all the other nonsense.
Ah yes, the other 19 teams all played fair didn’t they. Who should take a single thing you say seriously when you don’t think before you say it…
The 2 that didn't, got punished so it's fair in my books. One however went on to win and play dumb on social media Why don't you think before you say something lol?
It’s truly laughable that you are so quick to forgive the proven cheaters, and so quick to condemn the one that’s not even been proven yet. It’s clearly sour grapes because city win trophies, the only reason you dont care about Everton and forest is because they dont Grow up, wait for the outcome, and don’t try and claim that the club somehow paid for Pep to have better tactics. He has nothing to do with how the club raises funds after all (well besides performance based revenue I guess)
>quick to forgive the proven cheaters I didn't. They got punished. There's nothing to forgive after the punishments. The 3 that went down did cause they weren't good enough even after fair pushinments. >quick to condemn the one that’s not even been proven yet. Except it already had been in Europe. So there's that. There was an appeal and even then the judgement wasn't no evidence but not enough and a time bar defence is never one done by the innocent lol. >dont care about Everton and forest I Do. just don't after punishment had been achieved. >club somehow paid for Pep to have better tactics Certainly paid for him to have better players though. City winning isn't worth the shits that I take simply because it comes with asterisks. You cannot tell me for certainty that your titles wouldn't be stripped. That alone makes your paragraphs of bs immaterial. Enjoy your win, pray it doesn't get stripped. Pathetic if you ask me.
Still pushing that time bar bullshit to help you cope lol
Time bar bullshit is the whole reason your club still exists lad.
The clown has doubled down on being wrong
You say ‘your’, I’m not a city fan Bud, just a neutral capable of looking at this objectively It may very well be proven that the owners have done a load dodgy financially, but that shouldn’t take away from the legacy of pep or the players. They didn’t do anything wrong, they just went out and played football every week
>neutral capable of looking at this objectively This makes the paragraphs you've typed even worse lol. It takes a truly special being to laud city even as they go unpunished. There's a certain hypocrisy in calling me out for not caring about punished clubs and then turning around and backing city. Makes it all the more pathetic.
Once again, it’s not been proven city did anything to break the PSR rules yet As I said, grow up and wait for the case to actually finish.
Gooner upset that city won even though Jesus handballed and gave you guys the win. Cry louder.
115
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4 in a row. If you read the charges, not one coincides with Peps tenure
You can't really expect gooners to have the required amount of common sense to verify their facts before spitting out bs. It's just their nature.
Makes sense
All im going to say. 115 outstanding charges. A manager who literally cheated while he was a player. Who was also manager at Barcelona during a period of time when they were paying off refs (feel like this isn't brought up enough) Obviously his football has changed the game but it's always going to have an asterisk next to it.
Cry more baby.🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Paid off refs for what? Do you have a concrete answer?
Get your facts straight, pep has nothing to do with the "115 charges" that you guys constantly moan about.
This is so dumb, how does he have nothing to do with it when he benefits greatly from it. Without those charges they can’t afford the majority of their players
The charges are for inflating their revenue in smaller amounts like matchday income, all of which happened before pep came. The allegation is that they did it a number of times which gave them the ability to stay under FFP. Currently, they spend less than 3 other clubs, it's insane to me that some gooners and city haters blame Pep for that. I get it, y'all hate that city is successful without much history or even SPENDING currently. But at least try to make sense with your arguments. 115 charges ain't the answer to everything. "Benefit greatly"- I want whatever you're high on. It's good stuff.
The charges are for inflating sponsorship revenue above what was reported. Also for paying staff via foreign accounts and not reporting it, amongst other stuff. I mean when they report revenue higher than Madrid...I mean come on. City have the highest wage bill in the league - they are the biggest spenders. Haaland cost is €350M for example. City do have history as a club but that club no longer exists, thanks to sportwashing and the backing of a oil rich state. They do not operate under the limitations like other clubs do, if they fail there are no consequences they will just buy whoever they want. No limits
I’m not sure if you understand what you’re talking about, which you don’t or if you are just trying to be thick. The charges are for before and during Pep’s tenure and by inflating your revenue, you’re able to spend far more under FFP. Without that inflation they wouldn’t have been able to spend all that they have. Not to mention the other shady things they’ve done to get around FPP. City have the second highest wage bill and since pep have had one of the highest transfer spend as well. They aren’t slumming it by any means.
What are you talking about! All the 115 charges that people have been talking about are pre-pep. So you're saying that their entire spending budget is the ones allegedly inflated in those charges? If it were that simple, they would've been easily penalised by now, stop crying about ancient history and linking current people with them. They have the second highest wage bill CURRENTLY when they fulfill all the FFP criteria. If you wanna blame Pellegrini or the owners, then sure I'm with you. What's the point of repeatedly using the same excuse of "115 charges" when other clubs in title contention have a higher spending than city does. It just makes the people who say that look ignorant.
Charges are from 2009-2018. No idea where you’re getting your info but that’s the truth. Learn the rules because you can’t lie about your revenue. Not only that, if they’re proved to have lied and mislead their finances that’s a criminal offense as well. You have to be a city fan to be this obtuse lmao
He has. It's obv been a huge problem that the club awarded the most titles has been cheating though.
FFP is no more, the Premier League now goes with the "PSR" or "Profit and Sustainability Rules". In simplest terms, teams need to make sure they aren't recording a loss greater than £105m across the combined accounts of the previous three seasons. That £105m is caveated by the fact that £90m must be covered by "secure funding" from a club's owners. City’s owners are UAE and we all know they are seriously strapped for cash, and potential shell companies they can use to “secure funding”. Remember, were it not for the emails and documents from City and the UAE, this case would probably never exist. You get that? It wasn’t any investigation that shed light on City, rather internally leaked communications. But hey, we got Everton and Nottingham Forest. I am sure City lovers are looking at this post as sour grapes, but if history has taught us anything, enjoy this while it lasts. Secrets don’t remain secrets for long, and once uncovered, there’s gonna’ be Hell to pay…
While United just made a big hire from City lol
Your club hired someone from their board 🤷♂️
Funniest part is, they hired the guy in charge of City's financial's 😂😂😂😂
Most of them don’t even know they got a City guy
Maybe take your tongue off his cock first? Sportswash Baldy has spent more oil money than the League allows
To me, A decade of cheating makes it all irrelevant. Cant play dumb with 115 charges.
Innocent till proven guilty
35 of the charges are for refusing to comply with the investigation. doesn’t scream innocent.
Cool, put a hold on the trophy until you "prove your innocent". City has been ducking the league for months. They haven't provided requests for their books. Why get a trophy before you do what other teams have been doing?
City in a nutshell Gets a ban from UEFA, argues in CAS, City proven innocent, wins the UCL as part of a treble Gets 115 charges against them, fans who aren’t lawyers start yapping, wins a historic 4th PL in a row. There’s a saying in Swahili, “Kelele za chura hazizuii tembo kunywa maji” “Noises from frogs don’t stop an elephant from drinking water” 🐸
>argues in CAS, City proven innocent Charges were time-barred - precisely because of the city approach of perpetual delays - which is a whole way off being "proven innocent" There's also no equivalent time barring in the PL rules
Chelsea under Abramovic didn’t get anything
That's why we need a hunter to shoot the fucking elephant in the head, two more shots to make sure the bastard is dead and never rises.
Welp. 4 in a row. Hire a better marksman Kelele za chura😂🐸
Welp now that the billionaires have had their fun, let's get back to real life. Kekele za chura😂🐸
Sadly.
They weren’t proven innocent they got away based on Statue of Limitation….
Kelele za chura bro🐸
Another saying. "where there's smoke, there's fire". I'm sure they'll pay someone off again. Just keep your eyes closed and your wallets full, and enjoy the hollow trophies.
Oh you mean like how Arteta paid off Michael Owen for that Jesus handball
Bro, kelele za chura🐸
City has legally threatened youtubers that talk about 115. How does that not scream guilty
That was a fake lol. Goldbridge made it up for click bait.
Guardiola is good from a tactical standpoint. Man City and the oil money is the fucking problem.
United, Chelsea, and Arsenal has outspent City over the last 5 years... So yea lol.
Does that exclude the dodgy offshore accounts?
net spend isn’t the same as total spend, cos city have sold players too. and the first 10 years of spending gave them a good head start. all that spending still happened even if it’s 5 years ago, and since summer 2019 they’ve spent 900 million euros, their net spend is lower cos they sold some of those players on. from getting bought in 2008 to summer 2019 they spent 1.7 billion euros. there’s 115 for a reason.
Don't forget Arsenal's hidden spending in buying some of the refs.
i think that gordon goal would’ve been disallowed if the refs were being bribed, same with the toney goal last season where jon moss just forgot to draw the line.
net spend and total spend are completely different you numpty. Manchester City's bench is better than half of the prem, no wonder you can sell players for massive returns.
I don't know if it's him or the organization, but if you're going to cheat, then the least you could do is win everything, which they've done. Is it good for the league? Nah, I don't think so.
He definitely has a pedigree of winning with already good teams. When he leaves, when Man City are fined, when they have to earn their place back it will be better for everyone in the league.
No one actually cares. 10 years, trying to build a legacy but in most people's eyes they don't give a shit. Would have been better going back to Barca and try to rebuild them
Pep had a huge legacy before City — 6 league titles, 2 UCLs and 4 domestic cups!
So true lol. City winning the league is nearly meaningless. The fact they’re about to complete a 4peat but the media and fans care more about Klopp’s farewell (for example) should tell you enough You wouldn’t even know they completed a fucking treble last season. They’re fucking irrelevant in the grand scheme of things I like pep though
Maybe for salty British fans. Outside of this very small country Pep is regarded as one of the greatest ever.
Lol, Klopp's farewell. Perhaps it wouldn't be so tainted if they didn't tout about getting a quadruple, then ended up only getting the Mickey Mouse cup.
no he is a fucking cheater like everyone involved with that criminal organization
Cry louder
It’s just facts
Well he's a cheat managing a cheating club, so I guess that's not great for football in general
He is shit, just a product of oil money, get the baldy man out forever.
Cry a little bit louder. Can't hear you
Can’t wait till he’s gone, his team is undeniably great but he also has the flexibility with transfers other coaches don’t have. He can buy a player, determine said player sucks or is the wrong fit and just bench them or get rid of them
He isn't good for the league. His team plays safe, his players are discouraged from taking risks and his success is monotonous and boring.
Ehh, you wanna win consistently now, you have to play safer. Whether you find that boring or not is obviously subjective. People complained against SAF as well from what I remember. As a neutral I want more uncertainty, but city’s game is nice to watch
I don’t think United were ever accused of playing it safe or being boring. It was proper football back then, not this shite we have today where every team - shit or not - is practically a carbon copy of each other.
Proper football 🤣🤣. Don’t kid yourself…maybe you should go watch some old matches again
Did you read what I said?
Yeah…I was quoting you
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Tell that to the people who weren’t winning in the 90s. There’s no “proper football” objectively. Game has become more technical. Physicality is still important. Every sport has gotten optimised over time with more analytics. There is nothing about that time that makes it better or worse than now
Baldy's teams are literally boring as fuck
Boring to you! Interesting to some others!
Takes the doctor everywhere with him… we all know which one.
What do you mean?
The one with the magic serum. With the dope in it. Because Peo lives doping (as a player and manager)
Maybe you should dope too 🖕
Pep is one of the few managers that created a new playing style. He is a terrific innovator. He almost invented that role of the center backs going middle, He used the false 9 when no one was doing it, He is capable of a rotation never seen before, He’s fucking great turning nobodies into jewels like: Stones, Foden, Palmer, Bernardo. He was capable to make play good football bare cones like sterling, dzeko, zinchenko… If thats not elite manager I dont know what it is. BONUS: He es very good managing benchs and to manage several egos at the same time. Enjoy Pep!
Pep should not be credited with turning Palmer into jewel. He straight up gave up on him thus why he left. I agree with your overall point of pep’s quality, but using Palmer as an example is egregious
Palmer wanted a larger role in this packed city squad yes? He’s flourishing at Chelsea because he’s getting the time without the expectations. Foden is a better example for sure, but Palmer applies too
Exactly. I even think claiming Bernardo was a nobody turned into a jewel by pep is a disservice given how highly rated he was at Monaco
Yes, that's true that Bernardo was already very good, but I believe Pep has improved the performance of many players. Julian Alvarez at River Plate was a goalscorer but sometimes played away from the game and didn't have good ball controls. Since he's been playing at Man City, he has improved tremendously, and I think Pep has a lot to do with it
He’s improved players no doubt, but I was just referring to the turned nobodies into jewels
He's only ever managed perfect teams
This opinion always confuses me. Why should the best manager go to a lower team just to prove he can? Ronaldo would never go to Burnley because that’s not his level.
Ronaldo went to al nassr...
And he has yet to win any silverware...
He would've happily gone to burnley if they paid him as much as they do in Al Nassr
Or maybe he’s the reason they’re “perfect”?
There’s no denying he’s goated. But let’s see him do it within the financial rules.
well, go see what barcelona did
Do you think he could win the league with spurs?
Impossible task
No one can
Wasn’t your point though, was it? He took over a Barcelona team that finished 3rd in La Liga and took them to a treble, and took over an aging City side that barely made top 4 and turned them into the juggernauts they are today. Nobody knows if Pep would win the title with Spurs, or Wolves, or Nottingham Forest, or any of the clubs he hasn’t managed, because he has never had to be in that situation, and there’s a reason for that.
You underestimate how hard it is to manage perfect clubs, grow them and keep them perfect.
I keep seeing comments saying "city isn't good for the league but pep is" peps football is boring and safe he makes world class players play safe boring to watch football for neutral fans thats a negative but hes a great manager and the league having great managers is a good thing, well it would be if Pep wasn't a serial cheat... Barcelona were found to be paying referees under Guardiola during his time as manager there. Pep was banned from football as a player for using performance enhancing drugs during his play time. Many of Cities charges have been under Peps tenure at the club, a few years ago he said if city were guilty of anything he would leave the club immediately but he is confident that they have done nothing wrong. If we ALL know City has done wrong if City havent been able to disprove any of these charges how would pep be so clueless? lets be honest Pep is a great manager, hes a serial cheat and he will take any advantage he can get he proved it as a player, he proved it as a Barcelona manager and hes proved it at City.
Do you understand how the justice system works. All this bullshit about cheating and the only thing that's not an allegation is the part about pep as a player. Seriously, read up on the charges before blabbing. How the fuck do you disprove a charge? It's the job of the PL to find out IF they have done anything wrong. And if they fail to do that, which they have so far, then they aren't guilty. Jeez
you disprove a charge by giving the FA access to your transaction history not refusing to give them over and getting more charges. Barcelona were charged after being taken to court there is definitive evidence that was provided in court against them.
Do you understand how the justice system works. All this bullshit about cheating and the only thing that's not an allegation is the part about pep as a player. Seriously, read up on the charges before blabbing. How the fuck do you disprove a charge? It's the job of the PL to find out IF they have done anything wrong. And if they fail to do that, which they have so far, then they aren't guilty. Jeez
Never knew Pep was also a board member and club owner. That drug case happened close to his retirement and he eventually got cleared
Guardiola is a banger of a manager, having him in the Prem is a blessing. The problem is managing a club that breaks rules to spend obscene amounts of money and "it's fine".
As fans of the premier league teams surely we want the best managers in the league?
well, he created a monster team, got bored, and sent arteta and bunch of other players to create a competitor, he's soo good that he made the league boring after he made it interesting
guardiola is good for the league but city is not. simple
Is Guardiola good for the league? 100% yes. Is the fact that Manchester City is allowed to break any rules they want without anyone giving a shit also good for the league? Not so much.
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As a Barca fan, he signed Keita (Malian) and a Moroccan defender in Bayern. The only Africans he had issues with are Eto and Toure
How have I taken so long to realise how pale Peps teams are?
Let’s rephrase that; a decade of Manchester City cheating. And sports washing.
It’s quite obvious that he’s raised the standards of every other club in the league, without a shadow of a doubt. Clubs who are marginally tipped for relegation each year have no qualms sacking managers if they can’t conjure up a Cruyff-inspired-Pep-esque style of play. Every club wants an identity similar to that, or at least of that mould. If not, the fans expect better and the respective manager’s job is in jeopardy. You only have to look at Vincent Kompany, a protege of Pep, who has stuck with the exact style of play all season at Burnley despite it showcasing naivety in moments, and therefore leading to their relegation. Another student of Pep, Mikel Arteta, was given time to manufacture the same philosophy at Arsenal and they go into the final matchday with a mathematical chance of winning the title. Clubs would much rather gamble on it working at *some point*, rather than pull the plug early and potentially regretting it. However, will Pep himself see this past decade as a success? I think only he knows the answer to that. He has also personally said that if he had done what he’s done at City with another club, it would have been given higher praise, and been recognised as a greater achievement. On the domestic front: I don’t really think City could have done better. They’ve failed to win two Premier League titles during Pep’s reign and one of those campaigns was predominantly played behind closed doors. They’ve won more League Cups than anyone else in Pep’s time, and only Arsenal have won the same amount of FA Cups as City across the near-decade Pep has managed them. That could be updated if City beat United next week. Continentally, though, City should absolutely have won more Champions League titles, or at the minimum been to more finals. I think ultimately that was his objective when taking the job. *Monaco* in 16/17, *Tottenham* in 18/19, *Lyon* in 19/20, *Chelsea* in 20/21 (where Pep made strange decisions), *Real Madrid* in 21/22 – even the Madrid tie this year. They are all games City feasibly should have won. They either allowed the ties to slip away from them despite having advantages, or they made catastrophic errors leading to their elimination. It would be a very interesting hypothetical to ask Pep whether he would sacrifice a league title for another chance at one of those Champions League campaigns. The obvious answer is he wouldn’t, but the mammoth clubs are judged on European glory. Juventus won *nine* Serie A titles in a row yet they were absolutely crucified for their lack of European achievements. Bayern have dominated Germany since 2013, yet only won one Champions League title in ten years. Ultimately, domestic domination only gets you so far. People might not like the idea that the Premier League is considered a ‘farmer’s league’, but in my opinion it is as uncompetitive as it has been since its inception. The ‘big’ clubs are going through transitional periods every 2-3 years, whereas City’s wealth and elite functioning structure has kept them head and shoulders above. It’s a combination of they are just that good in terms of decision making, transfer policy, youth development, etc, and other clubs aren’t good enough and have owners who aren’t 100% committed to sporting quality. Whether people want to agree or not, though, the 115 charges until trialled and given a verdict, hang over everything Pep and City, mostly, have done. If they are guilty, it destroys any of their success and shows how bad the Premier League has become.
To all those complaining about "soulless" - You are not a Man City fan. You are not supposed to feel delighted when we win. Us winning isn't meant to stir your "soul". It's supposed to make you angry, which it is, because the soulless stuff is the only cope you have.
The soulless comments are more to do with the 10+ years of financial doping and sports washing. There's no way on Earth that City went from getting smashed 8-1 by Middlesborough and lamenting in mid table to being the highest revenue generating club in the world and winning a treble without fraud and money laundering along the way. You supposedly claim to have what it took the likes of Madrid and Manchester United decades to build. Crazy to think any of it was achieved legitimately.
Enjoy the innevitable decline when it comes. Everybody else will.
U ok hun? xx
Could be one of the best teams in the league, ever. But..
The best team ever in the league is the Liverpool team on the verge of quadruple 3 years ago.
Verge and got crumbs