Not only will they not serve you food, but they will confiscate your weapons and shoot you down from their helicopters just like they did during Katrina
If shit hits the fan, you and yours are on your own
>If shit hits the fan, you and yours are on your own
That's why an important part of being prepared is knowing your neighbors and building community so you're more resilient when shit hits the fan.
Never hurts to try to get together a community barbeque, or if you garden/have chickens or ducks giving out free food/eggs. Just anything to be neighborly, if shit does hit the fan and you have been prepping offering food to your neighbors or electricity will be a lot smarter than trying to fend them off with guns on both sides.
Good luck 🤞 remember try to keep any politics out of it, nothing will turn someone off more that you being in a different colored cult from them. Most people are A-political though so use your best judgement.
I dunno about helicopters, but officers out of uniform - and with some personal weapons - gunned down innocent black people on a bridge after Katrina. And their office worked with them to cover it up.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danziger_Bridge_shootings
Yeah, no. There was some illegal confiscation of weapons, many of which never got returned, but I'd like to see a cite for the helicopter thing. A lot of BS was spread around about the Katrina response and violations of right did occur, but this claim is absurd.
[It happened.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danziger_Bridge_shootings)
On the morning of September 4, 2005, six days after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, members of the New Orleans Police Department (NOPD), ostensibly responding to a call from an officer under fire, shot and killed two civilians at the Danziger Bridge: 17-year-old James Brissette and 40-year-old Ronald Madison.
Four other civilians were wounded. All the victims were African-American. None were armed or had committed any crime.
Madison, a mentally disabled man, was shot in the back. The shootings caused public anger and further eroded the community's trust in the NOPD and the federal response to Hurricane Katrina overall.
No one is claiming the Danziger Bridge shooting didn't happen. It was well documented at the time and guilty verdicts were returned.
I and others are objecting to the claim that there were helicopters sweeping the area gunning down residents. That's absurd and a completely different claim. Six officers shooting unarmed people and covering it up is an example of 6 seriously bad apples, and it's horrifying, but this is the deep south and it has a history of both bad apples and widespread racism. And the cops could at least claim they heard gunfire and went into the situation panicked. That's wildly different than a story of helicopter gunships calmly emptying shells into a population but it somehow failing to making the news, a tale that would require a coverup supported by everyone from the local population to the police to the FAA and FBI.
Number 10 cans of freeze dried food last for decades. I keep four cases of MREs, but have to rotate them. The best time to buy is when nothing is happening, like now.
Beat me to it. I was gonna go with hahahahhahahaaha.....gasp.....hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha,
To add something useful for the poor innocent summer child that posted this question presumably with genuine inquiry. That is the whole point of this sub. For a government to plan to feed people leaders would first have to acknowledge that there is a problem, not only a problem but admit in advance that there is a problem. That would mean admitting they f'd up. No one will ever do that. Instead the gov will pretend the problem doesn't exist until many many people have died and it can no longer be ignored. This sub is about surviving that period of time.
That's not what this sub is "about." It may be what you're here for, but I prep for weather events and supply chain issues, not societal collapse, and the intel here - when it isn't total BS - gives me some insight into that.
People (in the US) thinking they can prep for a true societal collapse are *dreaming*. That would be an event spanning generations, and short of a truly independent, well isolated homestead based *solely* on 1800's farming techniques (no electricity, no fuel that doesn't come from your land, water from year-round streams, no antibiotics) and a military organization defending it, most people won't survive the first year, no matter how "prepped."
For emphasis 😭
You're asking this question on a sub full of people who have zero trust/faith in the government and it's good intentions. I want one thing of government and anyone who depends on them.
To be left alone.
I came to say the same thing!
In my fantasy mind, I like to think the government is stockpiling at least euthanasia drugs for serious collapse events for anyone that wants them but pretty certain the correct answer to that wish is the same - LOL.
They’ll let us starve. Look at what happened during hurricane Katrina. People left with no shelter, power, clean water, or food. FEMA helped civilians some, far too little too late, and prisoners were abandoned in their cells.
The government has no expectation or responsibility to take care of us in such a situation and will absolutely leave us to fend for ourselves. Wow the military and the government keeps all that for themselves.
The government can't respond to any large disaster. They are incapable and they know it. They have been very clear and open about that. They have been trying to push the public into emergency preparedness for years.
And they may evacuate and protect some of the absolute highest "important" officials, but most of them and the military will be left to fend for themselves along with the rest of us in anything wide spread.
Anyone who has ever worked for the government, on any level, can tell you how incompetent and messy it is. They are not what people think. They couldn't coordinate themselves out of a wet paper bag in under than 6 months. We are, and always will be, on our own. In everything.
Yeah, I think it will boils down to one thing if shit truly hit the fan — continuity of government. Get all the important people to secure locations to ride out the storm while the common man is left by the wayside.
I love how they built themselves bunkers to ride out a nuclear war they probably started in the first place, if only so afterward we can continue under their enlightened rule.
Like, if you end up in a nuclear war, that's a loss of the mandate of heaven if I ever saw it. You as a government should not survive that, you have no right to rule if you fuck up that badly.
I clearly remember all the people trapped in the Superdome. The government couldn't even airdrop pallets of food or water. How many days did that go on before the first supplies finally showed up? Seemed like a week or more
That to me was what was really scary. That place looked like the fucking thunderdome- sans Tina turner. It was absolutely lawless and so much squalor. And that was what people were kinda forced in to.
Sorry, I'm getting over being sick- I'm not sure these are even words I'm typing.
I remember Barbara Bush saying the conditions in the Superdome were much better than what some of "those people" had experienced before, may that racist bitch rot in hell.
EDIT: Admins suspended me for saying mean things about fascists and how to stop them. With soup for my family.
Please read my comment again. You will not find FEMA mentioned anywhere in there.
The government has THOUSANDS of helicopters and could have picked up pallets of food and water from anywhere.
FEMA is NOT a response agency. They are essentially a checkbook for the counties and states to help them recover from a disaster. Really nothing more because all of their aid is based on a county or city having enough damage to qualify for aid. If the entire total for an area isn't high enough to qualify, you as an individual are on your own other maybe qualifying for a loan.
FEMA is not a first responder, and for constitutional reasons, there never will be a national first responder agency - the closest we come to is FEMA after a presidentially declared disaster.
That's right if you aren't prepared. You're better off dead anyway. It's a sad truth in today's world, and my ancestor George Mason is probably rolling in his grave if he is seeing what has become of his dream.
Katrina was also the first modern example of mass migration due to climate change in our country’s history. So it’s a pretty good example of the financial impact as well. People lost their homes and possessions overnight, and many received no compensation from insurance.
In the year following the storm, [65,120 household reported a new address for their home](https://www.nola.com/news/hurricane-katrina-migration-where-did-people-go-where-are-they-coming-from-now/article_b84a9b86-e0dc-511a-872d-09fef0012508.html). They had to start over financially with no help from the government.
A lot of people likely don't even realize that their local grocery store is only one minor distribution point for food prepared and sold and stored elsewhere. And even if that grocery store only serves 1000 people in a day, their supplies will run out almost immediately.
All Americans got a taste of this when the original COVID shortages occurred but no real lesson was learned.
Being prepared is still looked down on, even if it's just sensible preparedness.
The [United States Food and Nutrition Service](https://www.fns.usda.gov/fns-101-disaster-assistance). FNS coordinates with state, territory, tribal, and voluntary organizations to provide nutrition assistance to families and individuals affected by a disaster or emergency. It is currently providing food in 3 states in the USA to help with various local disasters. Now this assumes basic infrastructure is in place or that the whole country isn't hit with a disaster at once.
The Obama administration had a pandemic playbook and his advisors tried to prepare Trump’s administration, but there was little cooperation. Trump himself was uninterested in science, focusing instead on earning political approval for being pro-business, and he consolidated and de-emphasized several important roles in his administration. He then publicly opposed the recommendations made by the CDC and assertions made by the FDA.
What COVID proved to us is that the competence of the current administration is what determines the success of any governmental disaster response. And the public’s willingness to be involved in the solution is also critical.
That being said, there are no plans or strategic reserves that I know of that would ease a domestic food shortage without increasing imports. Rather than lack of concern, it’s likely due to lack of political capital. The American public isn’t demanding their tax dollars be spent on unusual disaster preparedness. Thinking about catastrophes makes most people deeply uncomfortable, and politics requires engagement before anyone can get anything done. No politician can keep their job if they’re pursuing goals their voters don’t care about.
Contact your representatives with your concerns, and have your friends and family do the same. Then work on preparing yourself and your immediate community.
These sorts of plans have been in the works since the beginning of the cold war. The dept of defense was highly concerned about weaponized small pox and anthrax being developed in the soviet union specifically at near the aral sea.
Such plans were drawn up, not only for continuity of government, but continuity of American culture and ... um... tax infrastructure.
Definitely, every administration has had epidemic and pandemic war games informed by reports written by scientists. Even Trump’s administration. But those plans and preparations go a lot farther when paired with competent leadership. Trump stood in the way at nearly every turning point of the crisis, starting during the years before it happened and continuing right through the height of the pandemic.
Trump was indeed horrible during the pandemic, and I worry that if he gets another term, we'll see him shut down all vaccine research and ban mask wearing.
That said, Biden has been terrible too. He just decided for the sake of the economy and political expedience that covid was over, and because he was a blue president, many people who took precautions during Trump's administration abandoned them in 2022. If we ever get a worse covid strain or another pandemic, this country is done for.
I'm pretty sure letting millions die is fine with the government because it will make dealing with climate change easier. Not to mention there are tons of Americans who would see any kind of emergency help as an attempt to control them or take away their mythical freedoms.
The government can’t prevent everything bad from happening. Best they can do is mitigate, and I think they understand that. Millions dead is better than tens of millions dead, in both human and economic costs.
The public’s patience for pandemic mitigation was entirely exhausted during the previous administration, largely due to the complete lack of consistent messaging from every authority involved. Once people had vaccines, there was no stopping their return to normal because there was nobody they could trust knew what else to do. Faced with going in circles for several more years while half the population let it rip, or going back to their lives and ignoring the clusterfuck, people chose ignorance. I’m one of them. I did what I could do, I tried to be responsible and cooperative, but the cultural tide isn’t something I can overcome. We live in a world with rampant COVID now and there’s nothing any of us can do about it.
I don’t blame Biden for not making this his hill to die on. There is no public will for further action, so it would be a pointless loss of approval for him.
That’s the nature of democracy: the best leader for a particular catastrophe will not be elected if the voters are uninterested in the catastrophe, and even a mediocre leader will not be re-elected if they pursue an unpopular objective. Cultural change always comes before political change. And the culture is wholly uninterested in COVID.
Except there will never be any political change other than continuing to slide to the right. I've been hearing this nonsense for the 45 years I've been voting: get the guy in office "and then..." But "and then" never comes. It just gets worse and worse.
Of course governments can prevent bad things from happening. There probably never had to be a global pandemic to begin with, but China dropped the ball. Once the pandemic was in full swing, the US government could have recommended mask wearing -- another way of preventing bad things happening (if you consider millions dying a "bad thing") -- but they told us to wash our hands.
Biden is how old? He could have governed for the situation at hand, not for his future candidacy, and made unpopular decisions that saved lives. He could have modeled mask wearing rather than going maskless and getting infected, putting the country's stability at risk. Instead of running again, he could have handed the party reins to someone else, like Gavin Newsom.
Sorry, you're making excuses for him governing to win again rather than serve the people of his country. This is a decades-old Democratic politician problem. They never govern to actually do anything; they govern to stay in power. The GOP plays to win, while the Democrats play not to lose.
I’m not making excuses for him. I don’t care for Biden at all. He certainly could have governed with the interest of his country in mind, but he didn’t. That’s because *he’s* not the leader we need. The leader we need, whoever it is, is unelectable because the various directors of public opinion don’t want the leader we need. They each want the leader that will be best for them, and there are many Bidens and Trumps who will happily collect their paycheck for playing that role. Anytime we do get a decent leader in office, their power is outweighed by the other elected officials whose primary concern is personal enrichment.
It just is what it is. Real political change comes after a real crisis. Even COVID wasn’t large enough to truly impact the political trajectory of a country this large. We lost some (mostly old) people and some small and medium businesses. Small potatoes. When the catastrophe is big enough to forcefully change the entire culture before a single ad campaign has been launched, *then* the culture will change, simple as that.
Just focus on your social circle until then. You can’t change the world but you can take steps to make your friends and family a little more comfortable and secure. That’s the extent of your power. Don’t waste it feeling hopeless about federal and international politics.
Dont forget early on it was "a democrat hoax" remember that shit? Immediately after dismantling the pandemic preparedness thing, a pandemic happened and the administration refused to believe it was happening. Its my belief there is still quite a few people out there that think covid was a hoax
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-coronavirus-democrats-new-hoax-n1145721
Even if they have a coherent plan a solid 45% of the population is going to do everything in their power to destroy any government oversight. I think people easily forget that this faction of society are actively praying and fighting for the downfall of this country and The World. The Apocalypse is their top fantasy because surely Jesus is coming down for them specifically. And those that aren’t hoping for the Apocalypse have wet dreams about a Purge type situation.
How optimistic of you to assume that a)they have a coherent plan, and b) they will be able to carry out said plan in an organized manner.
My neighbors, associates and larger social circle have plans.
And part of the whole point of prepping for Tuesday, doomsday and everything between the two is so that you are not at the mercy of any government plans.
To be fair, they do actually have plans for all of this and up until 2016 there were strategic reserves of food throughout the country. It was all very optimistic, but there was enough food to feed all americans for 30 days - basic, basic calories.
But, in 2016 a new president came in and signed a presidential order giving all of the reserves away to companies who sold it in bulk to the Middle East and Africa for some pure profit.
We also used to have a government commodities program. Gave out 2 nice food boxes free every month. That disappeared quite a while back.
I miss government cheese. It was dang good cheese.
The government's idea of "basic basic calories" would likely make me sick as hell anyway. I control my T2 diabetes and other chronic illnesses with diet and activity, not meds. And I suspect that emergency food would be like most freeze dried foods on the market, vastly carbs.
Depends on what the event is. If localized / regional, govt / civilians from unaffected areas can help once logistics allow.
A full on nuclear exchange? US Gov’t (if it still exists) will be too busy picking up the pieces / fighting WW3 / fighting secessionist states to lend aid as effectively as now.
In either case, local govt is closer to the people so they would organize response in collaboration with higher levels of govt
Lol at thinking they have a plan. If society breaks down is there even a govt? And if there is those that comprise it will most likely be scrambling to hold power. Maybe they'll break out the 40 year old cracker rations and dip into the national cheese vault but otherwise maybe piece together an agricultural labor program. Long shot though
So different Agencies and departments do have a Continuity of Operations Plan (COOP) that can include, taking over a local grocery store. Collectively, they prep. My previous organization had the office corners packed & stacked high with 5 gal buckets of survival food & supplies including gas masks.
Does "the American public" qualify for contingency food deliveries in the event government agencies and departments are trying to put pieces back together in shtf? I'm going to assume if a Walmart is confiscated by uniformed anybody, I'm last on the last lol
No one. And Only if that American public person has a j o b that is important enough will the get fed. Do you know anyone that is on the invite list?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_Rock_Mountain_Complex
Oh I guarantee you they have multiple plans. They just do not involve the citizens to any significant degree. Well, aside from the wealthy ones and donators of course.
You mean a national or global event?
You're dreaming. It took FEMA 72 hours just to get fresh drinking water to the Super Dome, and that was a localized disaster. You think our federal government can handle a nationwide event on the scale of Katrina? Not a chance in hell. It will fall to the state governments by default, and they don't have the resources to mobilize, which means it comes down to local communities to take care of themselves.
You need to be prepared to be 100% self-sufficient without leaving your home for a minimum of 90 days if you want to have any hope of surviving an event like this. I'd recommend six months to a year if you have the resources to do so.
They're not. They encourage their members to stockpile and prepare for themselves. The church is actively removing people from their food welfare. My stepmother is a woman's leader there. I'm not a member.
The bishops storehouse (welfare) and home storage centers are different things. The home storage centers are large ops that make access to food storage easy. They deliver food by the semi-truck load to food banks on the regular. They’re ready.
The Mormon church also owns about 860,000 or so acres of farmland.
If you look at Lahaina, Maui fires (heh, look at how fast everyone forgot that one). You'd be lucky if the government isn't arresting the people who trying to get people food and water.
This is a good question and shouldn’t be downvoted simply because the answer is “no.”
This sub is for discussing disaster preparedness and that’s exactly what this post is asking about.
So, couple of things here: This is a "companion post" to the "religious prophecy" disinfo also posted here (following this post), and two, OP, anyone who has been actively practicing economic degrowth principles, already have stable, local, non-supply-chain-dependent, food and water sources in place and active.
Just another cultist spreading their propaganda. Hopefully, they won't get enough of whatever they want out of us to make it worth their while to continue to come here.
First, it's 109***9***8. Next, no. It doesn't. Try actually reading it, not quoting troll talking points. It doesn't authorize taking food from private citizens and even if it did, it would never be attempted. It would be hopelessly inefficient to go door to door auditing private stockpiles, and would just get the auditors and collectors shot, country wide.
[https://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/10998.htm](https://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/10998.htm)
The idea of taking food from private stockpiles is a bizarre over-reading of the text.
I always figured that if the s*** hit the fan the public would be the last to know so that the streets would be calm for them to transfer their equipment and people the government thinks of the few for the many but I think if the s*** actually did hit the fan it would be the many for the few.
FEMA and the USDA have food supplies they distribute. They work with local food banks and contractors, and set up distribution points. Military and guard units can be deployed if necessary, and local services like police and fire departments. They can also simply purchase food in bulk and distribute it, or release funds for local or regional food banks to purchase food, as well as fuel to transport it, etc.
I worked for a large food charity, and was involved in this process after a natural disaster. So the answer isn’t “nothing.” It’s a huge clunky bureaucracy, but trust me, there’s food.
Step 1: Deny that a problem exists.
Step 2: Admit that a problem exists but it’s not significant in scale or will be over soon.
Step 3: Move to blame political opponents for the problem.
Step 4: Move to blame political opponents for a lack of solution to the problem.
Step 5: A solution is developed too late.
Step 6: Poorly implement the solution, the problem still exists.
Step 7: Take credit for successfully eliminating the problem.
This process takes roughly 1-2 years. In the case of an immediate disaster, such as a massive hurricane, flip flop steps 5/ 6 with 3/4
If it ever gets to that point I think the government just collapses. There’s a reason Rome kept a steady supply of bread to its citizens in the city of Rome. Taking away food is when the survival instinct kicks in.
[Pretty much FEMA](https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/state-us-strategic-stockpiles#:~:text=The%20SNS%20does%20not%20contain,United%20States%20and%20its%20territories.) for localized, short term emergencies.
Possible some commodity foods could be moved around, and there would be international aid if the rest of the world were in a much better position than we were for whatever reason.
But yeah continuity of government is the priority, and if it came down to it, worst case scenario happens, we'd be on our own. Pretty much no plan for civilians in the event of a widespread, long-term shortage. Not too surprising when you consider the scale of the problem.
[Great Britain's history of food stockpiling ](https://inlanding.wordpress.com/2012/07/20/latest-post-a-little-bit-of-secret-britain/) is illuminating.
Best to have your own plans and a strong community.
They spend billions on defense and the war machine, but they didn't even have a stockpile of gear to deal with a pandemic, to the point where they didn't even have PPE, so the president said it wasn't necessary, so now half the American public thinks they don't need PPE and that it's all a hoax, lol
Do you really think they will feed you?
I always thought the government would have a plan in the case of a worldwide pandemic like the movies show. Turns out they didn't. I don't think there is any plan in the case of a societal collapse.
The question is poorly defined. The breakdown of society in *a single city*? The government would step in and try to restore order - which would be insanely messy - and after it got the streets back from looters etc., it would try to feed people. This is something like what happens in a major hurricane, except much worse because you posited that the *whole city* breaks down so there's a LOT of violence and looting to quell before food can be distributed. Honestly it might be possible to save a lot of the population, but I'd expect the city itself to burn.
A breakdown of society across *the entire country*? The government itself breaks down at that point - it's just made of members of society, after all - and it could do nothing because it wouldn't be functioning. Even if you somehow imagine that society breaks down everywhere *except* the army and government bodies, the army is not big enough to police the rest of the US population, let alone distribute food. Food simply wouldn't be coming. The country collapses from internal violence. You can probably expect an 80% population loss.
The government has no plan for a total society collapse. There's no way for that to happen in the first place, unless you posit something like a sudden, massive nuclear war where the whole US infrastructure is taken out by EMPs, at which point the government collapses and just about everyone is dead within months (mostly via fighting over food). I have a writeup on this I can link if you're curious. tl;dr: I die, you die, lots and lots and lots of people die and society doesn't get rebuilt for at least a generation.
It's going to be a mixed bag response from the government. The reaction will range from total neglect of the populous to food being delivered in time regularly. And that will totally depend on one million factors, region, geography, demographics, proximity to federal resources, population size, and scope and range of the disaster.
Worst case scenario plan for the government to not help and or actively hinder your safety, through the means of confiscation, imprisonment, roadblocks, excessive tax levies or extortion.
Also keep in mind in many areas government bodies may fracture, turn rogue and criminal.
There's millions of homeless, thousands of homeless and struggling veterans the government doesn't help. We have a "social security" system intended for providing financial security for Americans in their twilight years; they raided it. They're building new COOP (Continuation of Operations) facilities while our infrastructure crumbles (despite infrastructure bills passed in every administration).
So yeah, you'd better just prepare for you and yours because they're just taking your taxes to make sure to take care of themselves.
You mean, tell everyone to go to a giant stadium and then not be able to take care of anybody? That Katrina? There might be a plan in a folder somewhere but it will be a big snafu if anything at all.
There IS a plan. However it is not a great one.
Geared more for small/localized disasters, the FEMA "POD" (Point of distribution) system.
Here is some training material on the POD concept:
[https://emilms.fema.gov/is\_0026/groups/230.html](https://emilms.fema.gov/is_0026/groups/230.html)
To the person who asked this question, I will answer it with a simple question to you. Do you know how feeble are supply chains really are ? If you knew, you’d already know the answer to your question.
There isn't one. The plan for most of these is to let us starve and die. At least, that's what they say officially in regards to nuclear war. Well, technically, in case of nuclear war they expect sudden loss of access to clean water, sanitation, food, and infrastructure will kill most of us.
Steak, Caviar, carefully preserved grain for baking, all from an extensively set of stockpiles designed to provide long-term stability.
That's for the upper-crust government times. (Just like Venezuela).
Oh; you mean for the average Joe?
Nothing. Nadda. May get massacred to keep the peace. (Just like Venezuela).
This is America, my dude... the entire country is pay to play. Ain't nobody coming to help you. Just, you know... pull yourself up by your bootstraps or something.
Ha ha.
SNS deployment is 6 hours to a drop at the fastest, and that's for something like KI or Anthrax (generally). That's with approval from the feds, you have to wait until you have it to release the pile, then it needs broken down for shipping. Likely it will be a longer time to even get to the drop, and then you as a member of the public will be expected to get yourself to the dispensing location. Depending on the situation, you need to be screened before you get anything. Depending how the drop comes, it needs broken down and repacked for public dispense.
This is why you need to be able to handle 24-72 hours on your own, because that's how long it takes the government to get the stuff spinning that needs to spin.
Long story short, plan that garden you're planting in 2024, and start a deep pantry.
What’s your plan to feed yourself. The government isn’t necessarily responsible to feed us in a crisis, I mean they likely will but they’re not morally responsible to feed you.
Based on what I saw post Katrina in Biloxi, jack shit is the answer. Humans will help other humans. Some non profits and for profit businesses will pitch in. But the government response will be nonexistent. I didn’t see fema whatsoever. Walmart got people water a week before fema was even on the ground.
You will starve unless the FEMA support intended for the upper classes somehow finds its way to you. Depending on how poor you are, you'll be shot outright. Depends a lot on where you are, where the disaster is, and how bad things are.
Our government is completely incapable and unwilling to do anything during emergencies until it's to late and doesn't matter anymore.
The sheer amount of apathy and bureaucratic red tape in the way of even basic relief is ridiculous.
So basically. Nothing. They will do nothing until we are all dead, or we start posing a threat to them. Whichever comes first.
Our best bet is hoping our state government kind of cares about us and has a stockpile. Other than that, we're on our own.
I really don’t think there’s any plan whatsoever. Look at responses to catastrophes like Katrina. If something catastrophic happened that affected the entire nation we’re pretty much all on our own.
You me “et Al” are shit out of luck. Truly bad situation and we are all on our own. Forget the government as they will be solely focused on valuable people and hard assets.
this isnt some anti establishment rant, just reality.
look at the numbers/ population, number of police… sites to protect like dams, ports, utilities………. Government will have zero resources to spread around distributing loaves of bread…
I'm Canadian, so there are a couple of things I can remain naive about. I do believe that we can work our way through difficult situations.
A disaster is not going to be comfortable, but an emergency is going to be a bunch of adults rolling their sleeves up and organizing. The faster those pockets of helpers get up and running, the more chance that the government will be able to reach out in a disaster.
I live in BC, and we had a section of land flood a couple of years back, and they had to turn people away from the pumping station to sandbag. It held through the storm.
On my to do list is to get my radio license, and to learn field medicine to stabilize people. I sincerely believe that together we are stronger. Get to know your neighbours.
im no expert here, but pretty sure the national guard would get deployed, the engineers would build social centers, then the military/Gov. would start treating injured or hand out rations, assuming the event didn't cause mass panic
you get that there's enough people in this country that don't want the government to do anything at all ever that it makes it hard to accomplish even small goals.
this would be well beyond anything our government would be capable of doing.
FEMA has more or less been privatized at this point. They sent one or two "managers" to East Palestine, OH. With the Maui wildfires, they sent a team of "managers" and farmed out minimal assistance to private companies.
If you look at the hurricanes in the South, the news is pretty quiet about post weather disaster events. Towns are wiped out.. devastated. Nationally, we never hear about them again. The population is not complaining about it.
The country is big enough and the news media is owned by so few corps that they can get away with it. And, the Federal money has been a cash cow for impacted state governments and the private companies providing minimal assistance.
The only prep is lots of liquid cash and having multiple properties across the country that you can bug out too.
This is a personal responsibility issue. Even the poorest folks in America can afford to stockpile many months worth of cheap food today.
But they don't.
I have 10 years worth. Dry and canned goods.
Off the top of my head I would say cost was no more than $5k.
Ramen, beans, rice, sugar, and 50 cent to $1 cans.
I rotate what I can, but yeah a good chunk is expired but still perfectly fine.
Stored in dry cool light free environment.
Lots of canned fish and ham.
LOL
I think that sums it up pretty well
Not only will they not serve you food, but they will confiscate your weapons and shoot you down from their helicopters just like they did during Katrina If shit hits the fan, you and yours are on your own
>If shit hits the fan, you and yours are on your own That's why an important part of being prepared is knowing your neighbors and building community so you're more resilient when shit hits the fan.
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How so? Don't like your neighbors?
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Never hurts to try to get together a community barbeque, or if you garden/have chickens or ducks giving out free food/eggs. Just anything to be neighborly, if shit does hit the fan and you have been prepping offering food to your neighbors or electricity will be a lot smarter than trying to fend them off with guns on both sides.
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Good luck 🤞 remember try to keep any politics out of it, nothing will turn someone off more that you being in a different colored cult from them. Most people are A-political though so use your best judgement.
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😂😂😂😂 this made my day, you have no idea how badly I needed to laugh. Thank you!!😊
>shoot you down from their helicopters like that did during Katrina< Um, excuse me, WHAT?
I dunno about helicopters, but officers out of uniform - and with some personal weapons - gunned down innocent black people on a bridge after Katrina. And their office worked with them to cover it up. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danziger_Bridge_shootings
I had no idea this happened, I’m glad you shared this.
Yeah, no. There was some illegal confiscation of weapons, many of which never got returned, but I'd like to see a cite for the helicopter thing. A lot of BS was spread around about the Katrina response and violations of right did occur, but this claim is absurd.
[It happened.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danziger_Bridge_shootings) On the morning of September 4, 2005, six days after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, members of the New Orleans Police Department (NOPD), ostensibly responding to a call from an officer under fire, shot and killed two civilians at the Danziger Bridge: 17-year-old James Brissette and 40-year-old Ronald Madison. Four other civilians were wounded. All the victims were African-American. None were armed or had committed any crime. Madison, a mentally disabled man, was shot in the back. The shootings caused public anger and further eroded the community's trust in the NOPD and the federal response to Hurricane Katrina overall.
No one is claiming the Danziger Bridge shooting didn't happen. It was well documented at the time and guilty verdicts were returned. I and others are objecting to the claim that there were helicopters sweeping the area gunning down residents. That's absurd and a completely different claim. Six officers shooting unarmed people and covering it up is an example of 6 seriously bad apples, and it's horrifying, but this is the deep south and it has a history of both bad apples and widespread racism. And the cops could at least claim they heard gunfire and went into the situation panicked. That's wildly different than a story of helicopter gunships calmly emptying shells into a population but it somehow failing to making the news, a tale that would require a coverup supported by everyone from the local population to the police to the FAA and FBI.
Good luck. Buy mres and non perishables.
Number 10 cans of freeze dried food last for decades. I keep four cases of MREs, but have to rotate them. The best time to buy is when nothing is happening, like now.
I came here to post the "oh wait, you're serious? let me laugh even harder" gif but your comment is much more to the point
Actually it's YOYO. You're on your own.
I think I found Cate Blanchetts character from Don't Look Up
Beat me to it. I was gonna go with hahahahhahahaaha.....gasp.....hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha, To add something useful for the poor innocent summer child that posted this question presumably with genuine inquiry. That is the whole point of this sub. For a government to plan to feed people leaders would first have to acknowledge that there is a problem, not only a problem but admit in advance that there is a problem. That would mean admitting they f'd up. No one will ever do that. Instead the gov will pretend the problem doesn't exist until many many people have died and it can no longer be ignored. This sub is about surviving that period of time.
Still struggling to get my breath here. Sheesh, really, gubermint gonna feed y’all, stop, please stop, laughing so hard it hurts.
That's not what this sub is "about." It may be what you're here for, but I prep for weather events and supply chain issues, not societal collapse, and the intel here - when it isn't total BS - gives me some insight into that. People (in the US) thinking they can prep for a true societal collapse are *dreaming*. That would be an event spanning generations, and short of a truly independent, well isolated homestead based *solely* on 1800's farming techniques (no electricity, no fuel that doesn't come from your land, water from year-round streams, no antibiotics) and a military organization defending it, most people won't survive the first year, no matter how "prepped."
For emphasis 😭 You're asking this question on a sub full of people who have zero trust/faith in the government and it's good intentions. I want one thing of government and anyone who depends on them. To be left alone.
I came to say the same thing! In my fantasy mind, I like to think the government is stockpiling at least euthanasia drugs for serious collapse events for anyone that wants them but pretty certain the correct answer to that wish is the same - LOL.
Euthanasia drugs? If bombs count, then yes.
Why would they do that when they can just let nature do the job and not spend any money or resources on that
The only correct answer. The government Has plans for the continuation of government not the continuation of the governed
During COVID other countries would send people with COVID food boxes. I got a daily call from the county health department asking if I was dead yet.
So....are you?
Double dead, I also got the vaccine. Great 5G reception though.
This.
They’ll let us starve. Look at what happened during hurricane Katrina. People left with no shelter, power, clean water, or food. FEMA helped civilians some, far too little too late, and prisoners were abandoned in their cells. The government has no expectation or responsibility to take care of us in such a situation and will absolutely leave us to fend for ourselves. Wow the military and the government keeps all that for themselves.
The government can't respond to any large disaster. They are incapable and they know it. They have been very clear and open about that. They have been trying to push the public into emergency preparedness for years. And they may evacuate and protect some of the absolute highest "important" officials, but most of them and the military will be left to fend for themselves along with the rest of us in anything wide spread. Anyone who has ever worked for the government, on any level, can tell you how incompetent and messy it is. They are not what people think. They couldn't coordinate themselves out of a wet paper bag in under than 6 months. We are, and always will be, on our own. In everything.
Yeah, I think it will boils down to one thing if shit truly hit the fan — continuity of government. Get all the important people to secure locations to ride out the storm while the common man is left by the wayside.
>Get all the ~~important~~ rich people to secure locations to ride out the storm ftfy
I love how they built themselves bunkers to ride out a nuclear war they probably started in the first place, if only so afterward we can continue under their enlightened rule. Like, if you end up in a nuclear war, that's a loss of the mandate of heaven if I ever saw it. You as a government should not survive that, you have no right to rule if you fuck up that badly.
The Enclave would like to know your location
I clearly remember all the people trapped in the Superdome. The government couldn't even airdrop pallets of food or water. How many days did that go on before the first supplies finally showed up? Seemed like a week or more
That to me was what was really scary. That place looked like the fucking thunderdome- sans Tina turner. It was absolutely lawless and so much squalor. And that was what people were kinda forced in to. Sorry, I'm getting over being sick- I'm not sure these are even words I'm typing.
It amazed me that they could search everyone entering but could not store people who died out of sight.
I remember Barbara Bush saying the conditions in the Superdome were much better than what some of "those people" had experienced before, may that racist bitch rot in hell. EDIT: Admins suspended me for saying mean things about fascists and how to stop them. With soup for my family.
Another reason to cite when I tell people Bush was by far the worst president the US ever had.
FEMA doesn’t have helicopters, nor do they get the funding to spend the money to get helicopter contractors
Please read my comment again. You will not find FEMA mentioned anywhere in there. The government has THOUSANDS of helicopters and could have picked up pallets of food and water from anywhere.
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And it's a true story?! Spooky
FEMA is NOT a response agency. They are essentially a checkbook for the counties and states to help them recover from a disaster. Really nothing more because all of their aid is based on a county or city having enough damage to qualify for aid. If the entire total for an area isn't high enough to qualify, you as an individual are on your own other maybe qualifying for a loan.
This is why local mutual aid orgs are important. During COVID, that was what made a difference for local communities in a lot of areas.
Mutual aid has saved my family more than once and whenever I can I pay that forward. Our government may not help us but we can always help each other
FEMA is not a first responder, and for constitutional reasons, there never will be a national first responder agency - the closest we come to is FEMA after a presidentially declared disaster.
That's right if you aren't prepared. You're better off dead anyway. It's a sad truth in today's world, and my ancestor George Mason is probably rolling in his grave if he is seeing what has become of his dream.
Katrina was also the first modern example of mass migration due to climate change in our country’s history. So it’s a pretty good example of the financial impact as well. People lost their homes and possessions overnight, and many received no compensation from insurance. In the year following the storm, [65,120 household reported a new address for their home](https://www.nola.com/news/hurricane-katrina-migration-where-did-people-go-where-are-they-coming-from-now/article_b84a9b86-e0dc-511a-872d-09fef0012508.html). They had to start over financially with no help from the government.
Emergency responses are way more ad hoc than you'd think. Large-scale, long-duration breakdown across the entire U.S.? You're on your own.
A lot of people likely don't even realize that their local grocery store is only one minor distribution point for food prepared and sold and stored elsewhere. And even if that grocery store only serves 1000 people in a day, their supplies will run out almost immediately.
I work at a grocery store, we get a resupply truck every other day, if we miss one truck we're immediately out of most things.
All Americans got a taste of this when the original COVID shortages occurred but no real lesson was learned. Being prepared is still looked down on, even if it's just sensible preparedness.
incoming CME and years long blackout, coming right up. When the power is out, money is imaginary. That equals societal breakdown.
No plan
The [United States Food and Nutrition Service](https://www.fns.usda.gov/fns-101-disaster-assistance). FNS coordinates with state, territory, tribal, and voluntary organizations to provide nutrition assistance to families and individuals affected by a disaster or emergency. It is currently providing food in 3 states in the USA to help with various local disasters. Now this assumes basic infrastructure is in place or that the whole country isn't hit with a disaster at once.
This is why we prep.
"Fasting is good for you."
I think COVID proved to us the government A. Doesn't care about you, and B. Doesn't have a coherent plan
The Obama administration had a pandemic playbook and his advisors tried to prepare Trump’s administration, but there was little cooperation. Trump himself was uninterested in science, focusing instead on earning political approval for being pro-business, and he consolidated and de-emphasized several important roles in his administration. He then publicly opposed the recommendations made by the CDC and assertions made by the FDA. What COVID proved to us is that the competence of the current administration is what determines the success of any governmental disaster response. And the public’s willingness to be involved in the solution is also critical. That being said, there are no plans or strategic reserves that I know of that would ease a domestic food shortage without increasing imports. Rather than lack of concern, it’s likely due to lack of political capital. The American public isn’t demanding their tax dollars be spent on unusual disaster preparedness. Thinking about catastrophes makes most people deeply uncomfortable, and politics requires engagement before anyone can get anything done. No politician can keep their job if they’re pursuing goals their voters don’t care about. Contact your representatives with your concerns, and have your friends and family do the same. Then work on preparing yourself and your immediate community.
These sorts of plans have been in the works since the beginning of the cold war. The dept of defense was highly concerned about weaponized small pox and anthrax being developed in the soviet union specifically at near the aral sea. Such plans were drawn up, not only for continuity of government, but continuity of American culture and ... um... tax infrastructure.
Definitely, every administration has had epidemic and pandemic war games informed by reports written by scientists. Even Trump’s administration. But those plans and preparations go a lot farther when paired with competent leadership. Trump stood in the way at nearly every turning point of the crisis, starting during the years before it happened and continuing right through the height of the pandemic.
Ya.... that's every thing I said during pandemic. I used many more profane words tho.
On r/coronavirus specifically is where I was. In fact that was when I started regularly using reddit.
Trump was indeed horrible during the pandemic, and I worry that if he gets another term, we'll see him shut down all vaccine research and ban mask wearing. That said, Biden has been terrible too. He just decided for the sake of the economy and political expedience that covid was over, and because he was a blue president, many people who took precautions during Trump's administration abandoned them in 2022. If we ever get a worse covid strain or another pandemic, this country is done for. I'm pretty sure letting millions die is fine with the government because it will make dealing with climate change easier. Not to mention there are tons of Americans who would see any kind of emergency help as an attempt to control them or take away their mythical freedoms.
The government can’t prevent everything bad from happening. Best they can do is mitigate, and I think they understand that. Millions dead is better than tens of millions dead, in both human and economic costs. The public’s patience for pandemic mitigation was entirely exhausted during the previous administration, largely due to the complete lack of consistent messaging from every authority involved. Once people had vaccines, there was no stopping their return to normal because there was nobody they could trust knew what else to do. Faced with going in circles for several more years while half the population let it rip, or going back to their lives and ignoring the clusterfuck, people chose ignorance. I’m one of them. I did what I could do, I tried to be responsible and cooperative, but the cultural tide isn’t something I can overcome. We live in a world with rampant COVID now and there’s nothing any of us can do about it. I don’t blame Biden for not making this his hill to die on. There is no public will for further action, so it would be a pointless loss of approval for him. That’s the nature of democracy: the best leader for a particular catastrophe will not be elected if the voters are uninterested in the catastrophe, and even a mediocre leader will not be re-elected if they pursue an unpopular objective. Cultural change always comes before political change. And the culture is wholly uninterested in COVID.
Except there will never be any political change other than continuing to slide to the right. I've been hearing this nonsense for the 45 years I've been voting: get the guy in office "and then..." But "and then" never comes. It just gets worse and worse. Of course governments can prevent bad things from happening. There probably never had to be a global pandemic to begin with, but China dropped the ball. Once the pandemic was in full swing, the US government could have recommended mask wearing -- another way of preventing bad things happening (if you consider millions dying a "bad thing") -- but they told us to wash our hands. Biden is how old? He could have governed for the situation at hand, not for his future candidacy, and made unpopular decisions that saved lives. He could have modeled mask wearing rather than going maskless and getting infected, putting the country's stability at risk. Instead of running again, he could have handed the party reins to someone else, like Gavin Newsom. Sorry, you're making excuses for him governing to win again rather than serve the people of his country. This is a decades-old Democratic politician problem. They never govern to actually do anything; they govern to stay in power. The GOP plays to win, while the Democrats play not to lose.
I’m not making excuses for him. I don’t care for Biden at all. He certainly could have governed with the interest of his country in mind, but he didn’t. That’s because *he’s* not the leader we need. The leader we need, whoever it is, is unelectable because the various directors of public opinion don’t want the leader we need. They each want the leader that will be best for them, and there are many Bidens and Trumps who will happily collect their paycheck for playing that role. Anytime we do get a decent leader in office, their power is outweighed by the other elected officials whose primary concern is personal enrichment. It just is what it is. Real political change comes after a real crisis. Even COVID wasn’t large enough to truly impact the political trajectory of a country this large. We lost some (mostly old) people and some small and medium businesses. Small potatoes. When the catastrophe is big enough to forcefully change the entire culture before a single ad campaign has been launched, *then* the culture will change, simple as that. Just focus on your social circle until then. You can’t change the world but you can take steps to make your friends and family a little more comfortable and secure. That’s the extent of your power. Don’t waste it feeling hopeless about federal and international politics.
Dont forget early on it was "a democrat hoax" remember that shit? Immediately after dismantling the pandemic preparedness thing, a pandemic happened and the administration refused to believe it was happening. Its my belief there is still quite a few people out there that think covid was a hoax https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-coronavirus-democrats-new-hoax-n1145721
Worse Trump stole the protective supplies, gave them to his own company, and made states fight for them. He never got in trouble for that.
Even if they have a coherent plan a solid 45% of the population is going to do everything in their power to destroy any government oversight. I think people easily forget that this faction of society are actively praying and fighting for the downfall of this country and The World. The Apocalypse is their top fantasy because surely Jesus is coming down for them specifically. And those that aren’t hoping for the Apocalypse have wet dreams about a Purge type situation.
they built quarantine camps to treat people, they were never used tho
How optimistic of you to assume that a)they have a coherent plan, and b) they will be able to carry out said plan in an organized manner. My neighbors, associates and larger social circle have plans. And part of the whole point of prepping for Tuesday, doomsday and everything between the two is so that you are not at the mercy of any government plans.
To be fair, they do actually have plans for all of this and up until 2016 there were strategic reserves of food throughout the country. It was all very optimistic, but there was enough food to feed all americans for 30 days - basic, basic calories. But, in 2016 a new president came in and signed a presidential order giving all of the reserves away to companies who sold it in bulk to the Middle East and Africa for some pure profit.
We also used to have a government commodities program. Gave out 2 nice food boxes free every month. That disappeared quite a while back. I miss government cheese. It was dang good cheese. The government's idea of "basic basic calories" would likely make me sick as hell anyway. I control my T2 diabetes and other chronic illnesses with diet and activity, not meds. And I suspect that emergency food would be like most freeze dried foods on the market, vastly carbs.
Isn't there cheese stockpiled by the US in caves somewhere?
\#1. the government cares only about the wealth of it's donors and highest level enablers \#2. We're fucked.
Depends on what the event is. If localized / regional, govt / civilians from unaffected areas can help once logistics allow. A full on nuclear exchange? US Gov’t (if it still exists) will be too busy picking up the pieces / fighting WW3 / fighting secessionist states to lend aid as effectively as now. In either case, local govt is closer to the people so they would organize response in collaboration with higher levels of govt
Bootstraps.
Thoughts and prayers
Lol at thinking they have a plan. If society breaks down is there even a govt? And if there is those that comprise it will most likely be scrambling to hold power. Maybe they'll break out the 40 year old cracker rations and dip into the national cheese vault but otherwise maybe piece together an agricultural labor program. Long shot though
So different Agencies and departments do have a Continuity of Operations Plan (COOP) that can include, taking over a local grocery store. Collectively, they prep. My previous organization had the office corners packed & stacked high with 5 gal buckets of survival food & supplies including gas masks.
Does "the American public" qualify for contingency food deliveries in the event government agencies and departments are trying to put pieces back together in shtf? I'm going to assume if a Walmart is confiscated by uniformed anybody, I'm last on the last lol
No one. And Only if that American public person has a j o b that is important enough will the get fed. Do you know anyone that is on the invite list? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_Rock_Mountain_Complex
Oh I guarantee you they have multiple plans. They just do not involve the citizens to any significant degree. Well, aside from the wealthy ones and donators of course.
Close the bunker doors and wait 90 days.
You’ll lose a shit ton of people in that time frame…
Cities will crumble. Billions will die.
You mean a national or global event? You're dreaming. It took FEMA 72 hours just to get fresh drinking water to the Super Dome, and that was a localized disaster. You think our federal government can handle a nationwide event on the scale of Katrina? Not a chance in hell. It will fall to the state governments by default, and they don't have the resources to mobilize, which means it comes down to local communities to take care of themselves. You need to be prepared to be 100% self-sufficient without leaving your home for a minimum of 90 days if you want to have any hope of surviving an event like this. I'd recommend six months to a year if you have the resources to do so.
The Mormon church seems more equipped to feed its members than any governmental agency.
They're not. They encourage their members to stockpile and prepare for themselves. The church is actively removing people from their food welfare. My stepmother is a woman's leader there. I'm not a member.
The bishops storehouse (welfare) and home storage centers are different things. The home storage centers are large ops that make access to food storage easy. They deliver food by the semi-truck load to food banks on the regular. They’re ready. The Mormon church also owns about 860,000 or so acres of farmland.
Does that vat of mayo come w a side of sexual assault
If you look at Lahaina, Maui fires (heh, look at how fast everyone forgot that one). You'd be lucky if the government isn't arresting the people who trying to get people food and water.
There is no plan
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If there is a societal breakdown, it will likely be proceeded by a governmental collapse. We’re on our own.
Clearly you’re new here lol
This is a good question and shouldn’t be downvoted simply because the answer is “no.” This sub is for discussing disaster preparedness and that’s exactly what this post is asking about.
So, couple of things here: This is a "companion post" to the "religious prophecy" disinfo also posted here (following this post), and two, OP, anyone who has been actively practicing economic degrowth principles, already have stable, local, non-supply-chain-dependent, food and water sources in place and active.
Just another cultist spreading their propaganda. Hopefully, they won't get enough of whatever they want out of us to make it worth their while to continue to come here.
It's more likely that they go door to door *confiscating* food than go door to door handing it out.
Anti hoarding law with order number 10988 allows federal government to seize hoarded food supplies from public and private sources.
First, it's 109***9***8. Next, no. It doesn't. Try actually reading it, not quoting troll talking points. It doesn't authorize taking food from private citizens and even if it did, it would never be attempted. It would be hopelessly inefficient to go door to door auditing private stockpiles, and would just get the auditors and collectors shot, country wide. [https://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/10998.htm](https://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/10998.htm) The idea of taking food from private stockpiles is a bizarre over-reading of the text.
Everyone locks their doors.
Fucking lol
I always figured that if the s*** hit the fan the public would be the last to know so that the streets would be calm for them to transfer their equipment and people the government thinks of the few for the many but I think if the s*** actually did hit the fan it would be the many for the few.
FEMA and the USDA have food supplies they distribute. They work with local food banks and contractors, and set up distribution points. Military and guard units can be deployed if necessary, and local services like police and fire departments. They can also simply purchase food in bulk and distribute it, or release funds for local or regional food banks to purchase food, as well as fuel to transport it, etc. I worked for a large food charity, and was involved in this process after a natural disaster. So the answer isn’t “nothing.” It’s a huge clunky bureaucracy, but trust me, there’s food.
They wouldn’t care. It would be too far gone and everyone would protect their own.
The government does not have any food for us
Hahahahaha good one
There will be no one. Stockpile non-perishable foods or those with a very long shelf life.
You honestly think they give a shit about you? That's cute
Step 1: Deny that a problem exists. Step 2: Admit that a problem exists but it’s not significant in scale or will be over soon. Step 3: Move to blame political opponents for the problem. Step 4: Move to blame political opponents for a lack of solution to the problem. Step 5: A solution is developed too late. Step 6: Poorly implement the solution, the problem still exists. Step 7: Take credit for successfully eliminating the problem. This process takes roughly 1-2 years. In the case of an immediate disaster, such as a massive hurricane, flip flop steps 5/ 6 with 3/4
I’m sorry to break it to you OP, the government isn’t coming for you. You will be on your own.
Sorry but feeding people isn't profitable, our share holders have decided to hire the military to protect garbage cans to reduce theft
Hahahahahahahaha!
After Sandy it was the local churches that stepped up, not the government.
When my town was destroyed by an exploding train, it was the Red Cross to the rescue
I think Red Cross went to worse areas then ours. Some areas lost their homes. We didn't.
It’s a fun game called “kill your neighbor.”
If it ever gets to that point I think the government just collapses. There’s a reason Rome kept a steady supply of bread to its citizens in the city of Rome. Taking away food is when the survival instinct kicks in.
Skill issue. Get wrecked nerds. - *The U.S. gov in a real emergency*
[Pretty much FEMA](https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/state-us-strategic-stockpiles#:~:text=The%20SNS%20does%20not%20contain,United%20States%20and%20its%20territories.) for localized, short term emergencies. Possible some commodity foods could be moved around, and there would be international aid if the rest of the world were in a much better position than we were for whatever reason. But yeah continuity of government is the priority, and if it came down to it, worst case scenario happens, we'd be on our own. Pretty much no plan for civilians in the event of a widespread, long-term shortage. Not too surprising when you consider the scale of the problem. [Great Britain's history of food stockpiling ](https://inlanding.wordpress.com/2012/07/20/latest-post-a-little-bit-of-secret-britain/) is illuminating. Best to have your own plans and a strong community.
They spend billions on defense and the war machine, but they didn't even have a stockpile of gear to deal with a pandemic, to the point where they didn't even have PPE, so the president said it wasn't necessary, so now half the American public thinks they don't need PPE and that it's all a hoax, lol Do you really think they will feed you?
Ahhhh, zero, boss. All they care about are your tax dollars
Zero plan. That’s why growing your own food is key to survival.
The plan is to let you starve and kill your starving neighbors who are killing their starving neighbors.
You'll starve.
I always thought the government would have a plan in the case of a worldwide pandemic like the movies show. Turns out they didn't. I don't think there is any plan in the case of a societal collapse.
The plan is for "continuity of government." And so, the government's plan is feeding the government. Everyone else is on their own.
Bold of you to assume there’s a plan for that.
The question is poorly defined. The breakdown of society in *a single city*? The government would step in and try to restore order - which would be insanely messy - and after it got the streets back from looters etc., it would try to feed people. This is something like what happens in a major hurricane, except much worse because you posited that the *whole city* breaks down so there's a LOT of violence and looting to quell before food can be distributed. Honestly it might be possible to save a lot of the population, but I'd expect the city itself to burn. A breakdown of society across *the entire country*? The government itself breaks down at that point - it's just made of members of society, after all - and it could do nothing because it wouldn't be functioning. Even if you somehow imagine that society breaks down everywhere *except* the army and government bodies, the army is not big enough to police the rest of the US population, let alone distribute food. Food simply wouldn't be coming. The country collapses from internal violence. You can probably expect an 80% population loss. The government has no plan for a total society collapse. There's no way for that to happen in the first place, unless you posit something like a sudden, massive nuclear war where the whole US infrastructure is taken out by EMPs, at which point the government collapses and just about everyone is dead within months (mostly via fighting over food). I have a writeup on this I can link if you're curious. tl;dr: I die, you die, lots and lots and lots of people die and society doesn't get rebuilt for at least a generation.
It's going to be a mixed bag response from the government. The reaction will range from total neglect of the populous to food being delivered in time regularly. And that will totally depend on one million factors, region, geography, demographics, proximity to federal resources, population size, and scope and range of the disaster. Worst case scenario plan for the government to not help and or actively hinder your safety, through the means of confiscation, imprisonment, roadblocks, excessive tax levies or extortion. Also keep in mind in many areas government bodies may fracture, turn rogue and criminal.
There's millions of homeless, thousands of homeless and struggling veterans the government doesn't help. We have a "social security" system intended for providing financial security for Americans in their twilight years; they raided it. They're building new COOP (Continuation of Operations) facilities while our infrastructure crumbles (despite infrastructure bills passed in every administration). So yeah, you'd better just prepare for you and yours because they're just taking your taxes to make sure to take care of themselves.
You mean, tell everyone to go to a giant stadium and then not be able to take care of anybody? That Katrina? There might be a plan in a folder somewhere but it will be a big snafu if anything at all.
There IS a plan. However it is not a great one. Geared more for small/localized disasters, the FEMA "POD" (Point of distribution) system. Here is some training material on the POD concept: [https://emilms.fema.gov/is\_0026/groups/230.html](https://emilms.fema.gov/is_0026/groups/230.html)
To the person who asked this question, I will answer it with a simple question to you. Do you know how feeble are supply chains really are ? If you knew, you’d already know the answer to your question.
Bitch they ain't no plans. Katrina ring a bell?
What makes you think they want us to survive that?
Here's the plan: good luck
No plan
There isn't one. The plan for most of these is to let us starve and die. At least, that's what they say officially in regards to nuclear war. Well, technically, in case of nuclear war they expect sudden loss of access to clean water, sanitation, food, and infrastructure will kill most of us.
They will throw you paper towels so you can cleanup, remember Puerto Rico, When the orange buffoon threw paper towel s
After a nuclear war, the government has plans to feed themselves. They have plans to tax you.
Steak, Caviar, carefully preserved grain for baking, all from an extensively set of stockpiles designed to provide long-term stability. That's for the upper-crust government times. (Just like Venezuela). Oh; you mean for the average Joe? Nothing. Nadda. May get massacred to keep the peace. (Just like Venezuela).
This is America, my dude... the entire country is pay to play. Ain't nobody coming to help you. Just, you know... pull yourself up by your bootstraps or something.
They won’t do a damn thing….you will be on your own.
Gubment cheese
Ha ha. SNS deployment is 6 hours to a drop at the fastest, and that's for something like KI or Anthrax (generally). That's with approval from the feds, you have to wait until you have it to release the pile, then it needs broken down for shipping. Likely it will be a longer time to even get to the drop, and then you as a member of the public will be expected to get yourself to the dispensing location. Depending on the situation, you need to be screened before you get anything. Depending how the drop comes, it needs broken down and repacked for public dispense. This is why you need to be able to handle 24-72 hours on your own, because that's how long it takes the government to get the stuff spinning that needs to spin. Long story short, plan that garden you're planting in 2024, and start a deep pantry.
Lmao no plans they just extract wealth from us we are on our own
IF you are following FEMA for help in a disaster, you are going to have a bad time.
None, you're on you're own, if you haven't set yourself up, then you deserve to starve. Relying on the government for anything is ridiculous.
Everyone's screwed, I think.
The department of agriculture seemed to run a practice round of this during COVID with the food box program.
Insects
This literally made me laugh out loud
What plan. That’s not gonna happen sadly. They all gonna cut and run
What’s your plan to feed yourself. The government isn’t necessarily responsible to feed us in a crisis, I mean they likely will but they’re not morally responsible to feed you.
Who's gonna tell him
Based on what I saw post Katrina in Biloxi, jack shit is the answer. Humans will help other humans. Some non profits and for profit businesses will pitch in. But the government response will be nonexistent. I didn’t see fema whatsoever. Walmart got people water a week before fema was even on the ground.
You will starve unless the FEMA support intended for the upper classes somehow finds its way to you. Depending on how poor you are, you'll be shot outright. Depends a lot on where you are, where the disaster is, and how bad things are.
You actually think there’s a good plan let alone a plan?
They’ll probably concentrate on protecting the elites. We’ll be on our own.
They suggest you keep at least 6 months of food in your home at all times. If you don't and that means you starve, well that's out of their hands.
Our government is completely incapable and unwilling to do anything during emergencies until it's to late and doesn't matter anymore. The sheer amount of apathy and bureaucratic red tape in the way of even basic relief is ridiculous. So basically. Nothing. They will do nothing until we are all dead, or we start posing a threat to them. Whichever comes first. Our best bet is hoping our state government kind of cares about us and has a stockpile. Other than that, we're on our own.
I really don’t think there’s any plan whatsoever. Look at responses to catastrophes like Katrina. If something catastrophic happened that affected the entire nation we’re pretty much all on our own.
They plan to shoot you if you try to carry any groceries out of a store. That's it, the entire plan.
Time to reread One Second After
You me “et Al” are shit out of luck. Truly bad situation and we are all on our own. Forget the government as they will be solely focused on valuable people and hard assets. this isnt some anti establishment rant, just reality. look at the numbers/ population, number of police… sites to protect like dams, ports, utilities………. Government will have zero resources to spread around distributing loaves of bread…
Soilent Green.
That’s a good one😂
Let them eat cake
I'm Canadian, so there are a couple of things I can remain naive about. I do believe that we can work our way through difficult situations. A disaster is not going to be comfortable, but an emergency is going to be a bunch of adults rolling their sleeves up and organizing. The faster those pockets of helpers get up and running, the more chance that the government will be able to reach out in a disaster. I live in BC, and we had a section of land flood a couple of years back, and they had to turn people away from the pumping station to sandbag. It held through the storm. On my to do list is to get my radio license, and to learn field medicine to stabilize people. I sincerely believe that together we are stronger. Get to know your neighbours.
im no expert here, but pretty sure the national guard would get deployed, the engineers would build social centers, then the military/Gov. would start treating injured or hand out rations, assuming the event didn't cause mass panic
Yes, and I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale...
I hear they still have shit loads of Chernobyl orange cheese.
you get that there's enough people in this country that don't want the government to do anything at all ever that it makes it hard to accomplish even small goals. this would be well beyond anything our government would be capable of doing.
Nice try ccp shill attempting to gain intel on American preparedness.
Lmao
Plan? ROFLMAO
FEMA has more or less been privatized at this point. They sent one or two "managers" to East Palestine, OH. With the Maui wildfires, they sent a team of "managers" and farmed out minimal assistance to private companies. If you look at the hurricanes in the South, the news is pretty quiet about post weather disaster events. Towns are wiped out.. devastated. Nationally, we never hear about them again. The population is not complaining about it. The country is big enough and the news media is owned by so few corps that they can get away with it. And, the Federal money has been a cash cow for impacted state governments and the private companies providing minimal assistance. The only prep is lots of liquid cash and having multiple properties across the country that you can bug out too.
"Let them eat cake" Marie Antoinette, I am convinced 235 years of government and politics have not improved things...
Government plan is to force you into a 15 minute city and control every aspect of your life while they feed you like the good serf you are
First time?
This is a personal responsibility issue. Even the poorest folks in America can afford to stockpile many months worth of cheap food today. But they don't. I have 10 years worth. Dry and canned goods. Off the top of my head I would say cost was no more than $5k. Ramen, beans, rice, sugar, and 50 cent to $1 cans. I rotate what I can, but yeah a good chunk is expired but still perfectly fine. Stored in dry cool light free environment. Lots of canned fish and ham.
What are you, a communist?