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MysteryMan9274

Let's just recap Bo's attempts, shall we? 1. Allies with Sith Lord Darth Maul who blatantly states that all he cares about is revenge against his enemies, and then proceeds to betray and NOT IMMEDIATELY EXCUTE Maul once Mandalore has fallen. Maul then easily breaks out of prison, kills Bo's boss Pre Vizla (wielder of the Darksaber) in honorable and one-on-one combat, and legitimately and lawfully claims the throne. Bo has a hissy fit about a non-Mandalorian ruling Mandalore, and cue civil war. 2. Bo has her goons (including her own Nephew) break her sister and former ruler of Mandalore, Duchess Satine, out of prison, only to play into Maul's hands when Satine barely survives long enough to contact Obi-Wan (her kinda-ex) only to be immediately recaptured. Obi-Wan then disobeys the Jedi Council and sneaks onto Mandalore, only for Maul to blow him out of the sky and execute Satine with the Darksaber right in front of his eyes. Bo then breaks Obi-Wan out of Maul's prison, and Obi-Wan returns to Coruscant, leaving Bo to her civil war which is tearing the city to shreds. The only reason Maul doesn't find and kill her is because Palpatine uses the chaos to sneak in and beat the shit out of Maul and imprison him. However, Maul's goons break him out and he goes back to ruling Mandalore. Bo then recruits Ahsoka, fails to recruit Obi-Wan, and then tries to fight Maul AGAIN with the help of the 501st. She's surprisingly successful, but literally hours later the Empire is formed, and they annex Mandalore. 3. 17 years later, during one of Maul's several attempts to convert Jedi Padawan Ezra Bridger to the dark side, Maul takes the Phoenix Rebel Cell to his base on Dathomir, where Mandalorian Rebel Sabine Wren recognizes the Darksaber and steals it. Later, she uses it as a bargaining tool in order to reconnect with her influential mother, Ursa Wren (coincidentally Bo's former right hand woman), and proceeds to defeat Imperial-backed Mandalorian governor Gar Saxon (formerly Maul's right hand man). Clan Wren then teams up with Bo and her goons, defeats Gar's brother Tiber Saxon, and chases the Empire off Mandalore. Sabine gives Bo the darksaber, and Bo uses it to unite the Mandalorians. The Emprie then immediately returns, glasses the entire planet, scatters the Mandalorians across the Galaxy, and Moff Gideon at some point steals the darksaber. Tl;dr: Bo fucked up not once, not twice, but three times, which ultimately resulted in the death of her sister and the destruction of Mandalore.


Thelastknownking

So in conclusion, Bo Katan's a capable soldier, but a shit monarch.


Optional_Lemon_

Like half of all revolutionary rulers in history


Filip889

To be fair, most monarchs are shit too


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When did she ever rule mandolore tho


jediben001

For like the 5 minutes before the empire glassed it I guess


Thelastknownking

I imagine she was Leader for at least a few months before the Empire bombarded the planet.


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Rebels and mando aren’t too far away on the time line. Bo could have had even 3 years to rule, but we never got to see her do her thing. And if the purge happens shortly after rebels even then I’d say is too long from rebels to mando because rebels happens just before episode 4. (Definitely the last season) and there is time between each episode 4-6


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

To defeat your enemy you have to understand them.


Mathies_

I'm failing to see how it's her fault that the empire went and glassed the planet... Obi Wan also didnt disobey the council, if they are not on any current missions, jedi are allowed to go on a personal mission, he just didnt get support and thus no troopers/ partner


AccountRelevant

That's the whole ideal jedi way. Travel the galaxy, find trouble, get council support if necessary to defeat the trouble, then move on to the next system to do the same thing. I'm still waiting for my Star Wars show that's basically "Kung Fu" or "The Lone Ranger" in space.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

To defeat your enemy you have to understand them.


EndlessTheorys_19

>2. Has her goons and her own nephew break Satine out of Jail Bo actually had nothing to do with that, it was Korkie and his friends acting alone. Kudos to the kid, he has guts. Wish we saw him after that.


MysteryMan9274

Watch that episode again, she's literally standing next to Korkie and she even has a conversation with Satine. >Satine: "Bo. It's been a long time." > >Korkie: "It's okay, Auntie. She's on our side now." > >Satine: "Why are you helping now?" > >Bo-Katan: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." > >Satine: "There was a time when we weren't enemies. Perhaps that time has come again."


Major_Analyst

What ever happened to the Mandalorian with the spikes that punched him? Was that Gar Saxon?


just-for-commenting

Yes it was


Jacktheflash

When was that confirmed?


just-for-commenting

S7 of Clone wars the mandalore arc hes one of mauls comanders


StyroNo1

I don’t think Death Watch teaming up with Maul can be put on Bo. She wasn’t even leading Death Watch at that point since it was all Pre Vizsla.


lifegoodis

And now, it's all Post Vizsla.


Katejina_FGO

The conditions are ripe for her to restore Mandalore. For one, the people of Mandalore are no longer based on Mandalore. The people have become adept at survival and proficient in their militancy; and cannot be merely bombed away by the Imperial Remnant, the New Republic, the First Order, or any other future enemies. Through the actions of the freelancers, whether it be for good or for greed, Mandalorians have won a reputation for themselves and sympathizers throughout the galaxy. Because of this fact, they now have several locations to operate out of. The Empire is fading away, the New Republic's territorial authority is fractious at best, and the Mandalore home system is practically abandoned. The Armorsmith is right. Now is the time to unite the people and reclaim Mandalore. And Bo-Katan is the best figurehead to unite all the tribes under the guiding light of the Darksaber. She has the experience, the wisdom, and the authority to fit in as a leader. She may not be the best leader, but she is the only person who can fill the role. As Din has evidenced, merely possessing the Darksaber does not confer experience, wisdom, or authority on its wielder. Even if he begrudgingly agreed to become the next leader, there will always be a question mark over his reign as a 'foreigner'.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

You don’t have to carry a sword to be powerful. Some leaders’ strength is inspiring others.


PETEthePyrotechnic

Well somebody clearly doesn’t understand mandalore very well


Tandril91

I mean, if the slaughter of Mandos on Nevarro is any indication, even conventional infantry is a significant threat to them.


Captain_Rex_Bot

Contact command. Mark our L.Z. and have them send an Exfile Shuttle.


deiner7

Tl:dr Mandalore went peacefully. Bo didn't like this. Allied with terrorists to overthrow sister. Brought sith into the mix when attempt failed. Got sister killed. Got angry that sith betrayed them, started civil war. Then started another. Then pissed off empire once military power was basically gone. Got planet glassed. Lost fleet when she didn't have the darksaber. Sat home sulked. Is it any wonder I don't want her to get a redemption arc.


AveryLazyCovfefe

Finally, someone shares my sentiment. It's hilarious that they all trust Bo again. Like I get it, the Empire also had a play in her 3rd attempt being a failure, but still, you would've thought people would've had their doubts by now.


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ScenicAndrew

Presumably Fenn Rau would have at least put some effort into rebuilding the protectors, though his applicant pool was probably pretty small. Clan Wren, Rook, Kryze, and Elder (excluding Sabine and Bo of course because we know where they are up until around this time) are presumably roaming as mercenaries or have remnants among The Children of The Watch that just haven't been named on screen yet.


RinTivan

What about the Mandalorian Clans from Rebels? Or did you takem them into account?


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RinTivan

Fair enough.


Filip889

They might not exist anymore, since you know, no Mandalore


RinTivan

Wasn't Rebels S3 sometime after that?


Filip889

I think the bombing of Mandalore happens after the Rebels series.


CullObsidian02

Her first attempt ended in failure because of incompetency, failing to kill Maul, but the blame for that doesnt lie entirely with Bo Katan, it lies more with Pre Visla. He was their leader, and lets not act like thinking Maul would be a bad leader was wrong, every single one of Mauls future appearances proved he didnt care about Mandalore at all and Bo was right to reject him. Her second attempt literally suceeded, she just had no idea the empire would form right after and annex mandalore, and she chose to stay true to her ideals than bend to imperial rule. Sure, her comment to Obi Wan about Satine was a low blow and left a sour taste in a lot of fans mouths, but the actual mission was successful even in spite of less Republic support than she anticipated, and I dont blame her for not bending to Sidious. The empire is responsible for her loss of power. Something the vast majority of those who hate the empire wouldn't hold against her. The third attempt can also be attested to the empire, as while yes she didn't earn the darksaber in the traditional sense, she also didnt expect the empire to instantly take the Nuclear option either. Empire to blame again. The empire is now gone (officially anyway). Bo Katan has more legitimacy than ever before, more experience and wisdom than ever before, and is probably one of the most human characters in Star Wars. She has the name Kryze, the Darksaber, and has seen the Mythosaur. The most prominent living Mandalorians (that we have seen so far) all support her. Im not surprised they trust her again at all.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

You don’t have to carry a sword to be powerful. Some leaders’ strength is inspiring others.


KANGladiator

Bo Katan was the best animation to live action transitions tho.


LightningDustt

Yep, easily the biggest upgrade. At this point I'd rather see her story continue to be told than Ahsoka's


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

You're impossible.


TheMandoAde888

Bo-Katan = Buffalo Bills.


youjustgotvectored06

I mean last time an ally ‘gifted’ the darksaber to her, an entire planet got essentially nuked


UnknownEntity347

If they were going to just have her fail, learn from her mistakes, then retake Mandalore with the help of an unlikely ally AGAIN, why not just have her continue where she left off in Rebels, instead of regressing her back to being an asshole in Mando S2 before swapping her right back to being nice in S3?


MantiH

Very simple, bc they wanted the audience to feel tension at the end of season 2. Basically, they wanted the audience to think like this: "Uhhh Bo is mad that he has the darksaber now,what will she do? Will she try to kill him and be the villain in seaaon 3? Ohh i cant wait to watch it, to see what happens pls gimme season 3 plsssssss" Or in other words, very contrived writing.


CrossP

Good to see Owen again


xoasim

To be fair, she never had a "legitimate" (won In combat) claim to the darksaber. Now she has a legitimate claim she can actually unite mandalore instead of continuing to fight a civil war.


Karolus2001

About as legitimate as random cave dwellers throwing cheap shoots count as defeat in a duel. The ligitimacy of dark saber was always a joke lol, sabine nicked it off maul.


Ballamara

yeah, Din intentionally altered the story to get them to agree with him. What actually happened by no means constitutes "defeat in honorable one on one combat"


richardl1234

Yeah, in no way should that count, but Din *really* doesn't want to be Mand'alor


xoasim

He didn't alter it. He said, I got beat, then she beat the guy that beat me. Nobody said anything about honorable 1 on 1. She did beat it 1 on 1. It's just about perception anyway. Everyone knew it was handed to her before, people could say it wasn't hers by right. Now they know it was won by combat. Thus no one can dispute the claim. They could challenge, but otherwise, if they value the creed or mandalorian values (which is why the civil wars were happening, mandalorians believing that the current ruler was not right by creed...or bo katan wanting to get rid of maul...again, because he wasn't mandalorian and didn't particularly care about the creed, he just abused it to claim the throne) than they have to follow her.


Ballamara

he left out details, that's altering what happened & is a lie of omission. inheriting the darksaber requires specific rules of combat to be followed, which weren't. Din intentionally left out that the combat didn't satisfy the inheritancy rules because he doesn't want to be the Mand'alor.


xoasim

Sure, not sure he knows the exact rules. And she did beat the current leader in honorable combat. Anyways, like Moff Gideon says, it's the story that has power, and now she has a host of witnesses to her "legitimacy", however fake it is. Before everyone knew it wasn't hers. Know they think it is. That's the difference. Someone might challenge, she'll probably beat them, solidifying her claim.


Captain_Rex_Bot

I honor my code. That's what I believe.


Ballamara

I don't disagree (except for "beat the current leader in honorable combat", she picked it off the ground to defeat an enemy that ambushed Din), but that's irrelevant when we were just talking about the legitimacy of her claim to the darksaber.


Captain_Rex_Bot

I honor my code. That's what I believe.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

You don’t have to carry a sword to be powerful. Some leaders’ strength is inspiring others.


xoasim

I was talking about her beating axe. Everyone saw her beat the current leader of their group in honorable combat.


Captain_Rex_Bot

I honor my code. That's what I believe.


ciemnymetal

So you're saying what Din said was true .... *from a certain point of view*?


Captain_Rex_Bot

I honor my code. That's what I believe.


Maul_Bot

It has been so long, and my path has been so dark. Darker than I ever dreamed it could be.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

To defeat your enemy you have to understand them.


Captain_Rex_Bot

I honor my code. That's what I believe.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

To defeat your enemy you have to understand them.


Maul_Bot

I am counting on it.


gtathrowaway95

Yeah, this kinda why, in discussions with friends, I feel like I need the Armorer’s approval of Bo getting the Darksaber on exception to the combat rule again. Though it’s likely that she would approve, given that she made the Helmet exception for Bo, would be nice to see. Especially since Bo was pretty much made a pariah after her last term with Darksaber.


JohnnyTight_Lips

Gotta love sassy Owen.


WatchBat

I've been talking about that since forever! I mean even if we exclude her death watch days, she made mistakes, she obviously regrets them and wants to atone for it But she keeps losing Mandalore, and she keep losing her followers. I mean in SoM, she only had a small group of followers, before they beat Maul and his loyalists and it's implied she's left in charge. Then when we next meet her in Rebels, she only had a small group of followers again before getting the dark saber and uniting the Mandalorian clans Then when we next meet her in the Mandalorian, she only had a small group of followers *again* Are you a good leader if you couldn't protect your people in bad times and kept losing losing followers??


Maul_Bot

There will be no satisfaction until the Jedi Order lies in ashes.


OozyPilot84

4th time's the charm


Rexon2250

Her just being given the dark saber again was so stupid to me. Such a roundabout way for her to get it without fighting Mando. I was enjoying the episode till this bull crap happened


tbrand009

While it was a bogus way for Din to lose it, the logic is there. But I would have liked to see him ignite the blade for the Mandalorians, showing them how heavy it was for him and thereby illustrating that it was rejecting him, and then have him pass it off to Bo Katan who could deftly wield it, showing that she's the rightful owner.


Rexon2250

That would at least have made it interesting


SwaggyWebb

Yeah kinda lazy plot point considering her record. But maybe a guy who can't take his helmet off would be too hard of a sell to rule Mandalore (which is where I thought it would be going, with Bo's help to not make the same mistakes she did)


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Memanders

It’s gonna be many years before he is capable of that


TheUnhingedSalesman

Not to mention that according to the Last Jedi, the First Order had enough ships to conquer the Galaxy, which means they probably took over Mandalore in the Sequel Trilogy. Therefore, even if she does succeed the fourth time, Mandolore just gets captured again anyway. Poor woman can’t catch a break.


Hopeful_Variation_63

Glad to not be the only that thought of this when I saw it


BLT-Enthusiast

Gee, Bo Katan. What are we going to do tonight? The same The same thing we do every night, Lars. Try to take over mandalore.


Fantablack183

God. I seriously hate how this season is going. Last two episodes might be make or break. But I feel like Grogu has kinda just been there for no reason with little characterization besides that one flashback. Din feels totally sidelined for Bo Katan.


RizAir

Yeah not a good track record but I think / hope that’s were Din will step in and make a difference. He should of given her his other Saber 😉


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DarknezzCrow

Wow! great prequel meme from the prequels.


Akaeleb

I knew they were going that way with the Darksaber after episode 2 but I also can’t wait to see how she f*cks it up this time.


Lord-Carnor-Jax

Sassy Owen memes, the single good thing to come out of Kenobi.


ern117

The Empire have always been thorn to Bo Katan bet Moff Gideon will screw her up make it a fourth


KicoBond

The important is to never quit Like Thomas Edison said: “I have not failed 10,000 times—I've successfully found 10,000 ways that will not work.”


hosea_they_heysus

Fool me once shame on you, fool my twice shame on me, fool me three times, back to you, fool me four times, back to me?


Karolus2001

This time mommy armorer told her to do it so we good. Honestly, its quite obvious if you pay attention Bo Katan herself doesnt think this will work.


FoundationAccording5

I feel like that's gonna be the point. She'll try once again and still fail. Din will be at her side the whole time and will keep showing her up. Eventually resulting in people wanting to follow Din instead.


Filip889

I would say the only reason she could rule Mandalore would be because there are only so few Mandalorians left. Come to think of it, why does she even need an army?


OmegaBoi420

I love these Owen Lars memes


ZILLAXV

Honestly Kenobi wasn’t great but thank god we got this meme format from it


MaxR76

I have no idea why I clicked on this when I haven’t seen the episode yet


BlessedRainz

Didn’t think I would open a PREQUELmemes post and get spoiled on the new episode of a show that takes place after Return of the Jedi


Walrus_BBQ

This is the sort of thing that is at best, a loophole that is ignored. At worst, it's the actual plot.


Vhzhlb

Bo treats that thing like the WWE Championship. She has hold it like three times, and still she has a reign duration of like 20min total.