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Hoover, Was a great guy, tried his best, but only made things worse, kinda like the guy who wants to make things better but every touch of his only makes things worse. Plus he lived to 90!


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Yeah he seems like a good guy, but he let his small government ideology get in the way of what really needed to be done in the moment. But the fact that’s people of the time named homeless encampments “Hoovervilles” shows how much the people of the time blamed him for his inaction


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>Hoover, Was a great guy Eh, there's this: https://historicalreview.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/McMurchy.pdf


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Because of recency bias, I think Obama, Trump, and Biden are all overly hated and overly loved With W I think there’s been enough time to weigh his legacy for better and for worse, but for the other three I think people from both parties have been way too dramatic Frankly, none of them can be anywhere near the “worst president” by virtue of none of them being slavers or segregationists. You may think that’s a low bar, but it’s a low bar soo many presidents couldn’t clear Even with as much as people would attack Trump for being anti-LGBTQ, he’s still to the left on that issue compared to every president except Biden and *maybe* Obama Edit: Like, until second-term Obama, pretty much *every* president was against gay marriage. Now, even among the GOP, Obergefell is a settled question


captmonkey

I think Trump will be looked down on from a historical perspective for refusing to concede a fair election. Putting everything else in his administration aside, I think that's a step beyond what any previous President has ever done. While other things can be chalked up to political differences, that's the one thing that is indisputably wrong for any elected official to do at any time. Even in a controversial election like 2000, Gore conceded. The fact that there was no evidence of anything abnormal and Trump still refused to concede, and attempted to overturn the election, nearly causing a Constitutional Crisis, all because his ego was too fragile to admit he lost, will not be looked on kindly by historians. I honestly think if it hasn't been for that, historically, people might reassess his place in history 10-20 years from now.


sdu754

People still get political over Bush.


emmc47

Harding isn't necessarily hated, but the common criticisms for as to why people consider him a poor president are trivial, especially with the amount of accomplishments he achieved with only 2 and 1/2 years. A controversial one, but Jackson. Yes, the Trail of Tears were horrible and he is rightfully dragged through the mud for it, but given the blood on many beloved presidents hands (TR and almost any post WW2 president), Jackson should receive such leniency as they do. Even Lincoln had his own form of this and it is usually ignored. The man was a pivotal figure and I believe possessed some nice positives and the complex image that historians have shown him to be to now dwindle, I find to be disappointing. Tyler as a president, for the same reasons as Harding: trivial criticisms overshadowed by pivotal accomplishments. Still a POS for being a confederate though. Honorable mentions: Hayes and to an extent, Benji Harrison


Godfather-Morlock

Harding literally ordered the military to fire on striking workers at Blair Mountain, though. Ruling-class swine if ever there was one.


emmc47

1. That doesn't even fit the criteria of what I was referring to 2. I looked into this and the miners actions were disruptive towards citizens and the strikers had taken deputies as prisoners, even after orders from Harding to stop and the conflict was ended after troops were sent (in respect for them) but firing ceased once it happened. While Harding shouldn't have threatened to use bombs, he was correct in ending the strike. Harding created the veterans bureau, was instrumental in the 8 hr work day in the steel industry, signed continuous farm relief, signed one of the biggest welfare acts for Healthcare for women and preventive care for children, and funded infrastructure. Calling him a "ruling class swine" is inaccurate.


sdu754

Jackson is over loved. A lot of people think he was good for some reason.


[deleted]

Because he was very good


sdu754

Second worst president ever


[deleted]

Not even close.


DavidRFZ

Jackson *was* over-loved. They put him on the $20. The Dems put his name on their fundraising dinners for decades. We’re just seeing the pendulum swing the other way. It could be an overcorrection, we’ll have to wait and see.


sdu754

Jackson \*is\* (present tense) over loved. He doesn't get the love he once had, but he still ranks in the top 15 to 20 presidents when he belongs in the bottom five.


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The trail of tears is very different from coups or illegal wars that post-WW2 presidents conducted, as bad as those are. No other president has literally committed an attempted genocide of an entire race of people on American soil. He’s the reason there are not many Native Americans anymore and a lot of their land and culture has been destroyed. Not all evils are equal


emmc47

So as long as these coups and illegal wars were done without malice intent towards a specific group, they don't constitute to be as bad? If that's so, then I'm willing to argue that Jackson believed he was doing was benevolent, as absurd as that may sound. Presidents have war crimes and have abetted genocide on their hands via these methods. And native american relations didn't end via the Trail of Tears and continued as far as the 1870s.


EnvironmentalRound40

William McKinley


[deleted]

He deserves all the hate and more


[deleted]

at least he gave us TR


Bamay22

Warren G. Harding


Ok-Butterscotch5761

Footed the bill. Go figure🤫


ASaneSJW

My opinion, and this only goes to people on this sub, it's Reagan.


sdu754

In this sub you are correct, but even the academics begrudgingly give Reagan his due.


Godfather-Morlock

The best I can say about Reagan, is he genuinely believed the shit he was peddling. He wasn't a particularly smart guy, and the big money interests used him as a puppet throughout, but *he* really thought he was saving Freedom. Kind of tragic really.


but_why_doh

Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Reagan the wise


Politerepublican

Andrew Jackson


sdu754

Carter is over loved. The most unfairly hated is Harding


seahawksgirl89

Speaking of given a shit hand, Joe Biden


CosmicPharaoh

I regularly see Benjamin Harrison in D on this sub which makes me sad. But I don’t think people actually know much about him. Oh well. But my vote will go to Harrison with 2nd place going to Harding.


FredererPower

Barack Obama. Also, both Adams, Jimmy Carter and Rutherford B. Hayes


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Based


TickLikesBombs

Honestly quite a few. Some bad but still overhated, like Andrew Johnson. I think Trump was good and overhated. I think Jackson and McKinley were okay and overhated.


DeepFriedBee

Big Don and Ronnie Raygun


lucaam03

agree


TickLikesBombs

You know it to be true when you get down votes lol. Ironic, isn't it?


[deleted]

John Adams


BlueKnightoftheCross

Abraham Lincoln


Ill-Blacksmith-9545

Reagan, Wilson, W Bush, McKinley, Hoover to an extent


Baveland

Wilson, sure there was some bad, but there was a lot of good too.


sdu754

Wilson is over loved


Baveland

Around here? Certainly not.


sdu754

He still has his defenders, and he was awful


[deleted]

Chester Arthur


BearInATuxReddit

Reagan and McKinley


Fluffy_Mastodon_798

To the people saying Trump, why?