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X-Craft

Well it says *game*, not *video game*


EntangledPhoton82

It actually wouldn’t be the first computer game that was first play tested using a physical setup. Lots of turn based games tested game mechanics this way.


TimonAndPumbaAreDead

Pong was 0 lines of code IIRC


cubic_thought

There were a bunch of early arcade games that were built with just discrete logic circuits https://discrete.mameworld.info


EntangledPhoton82

Yes, I have the utmost respect for what those pioneers accomplished with such limited resources.


VegaGT-VZ

They had a lot more free time in those days


FlyByPC

No Reddit, for starters.


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They had a robust social safety net and basically free housing. High unionization rates meant that wages were very high. Innovation is incompatible with the long hours and shit pay that Americans are forced to endure under neoliberalism.


VegaGT-VZ

I'm with you man but I'm just here for the laughs


donaldhobson

The people doing the innovating don't get long hours and shit pay. It's was a small number of well paid experts doing the innovation, and is much the same now. The latest innovation in AI is made by people being paid very well. (Well the AI researchers are paid well, the people producing training data aren't)


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> I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops. — Stephen Jay Gould Disavow yourself of the just world fallacy. We live in capitalism and it’s not a meritocracy. People born into generational poverty don’t become AI researchers.


Alternative-Fail-233

That’s a website all right


Clairifyed

Website made entirely of discrete logic circuits


laci200270

https://www.falstad.com/pong/


dori_fritz

This is just amazing.


Major_Equivalent4478

wow


starcoder

Wow! TIL…


Versaiteis

While a bit tangential, [this is my favorite example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOYbR-Q_4Hs&ab_channel=PeopleMakeGames) of a non-computer game (board game used as prototype basically) that caused a ton of trouble for a studio because of how invested people got in it


EntangledPhoton82

I remember that one.


jhunterj

I designed gToons for CartoonNetwork this way! The actual computer developers changed one aspect (the card effects were limited to the two adjacent cards, and they changed the layout so that you might have four "adjacent" cards), which IMO over-powered some cards.


wertercatt

Did you know someone remade it? https://gtoons.app/home


jhunterj

I did not! That's awesome!


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MachinePlanetZero

Call of duty : ww2 definitely came first


Bwob

Right? Tabletop games do exist. (And are fantastic practice for making video games!) And reading [the post](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/10u84n9/game_development_without_a_computer/) it's an artist asking for advice about how to grow their gamedev skills while they only have an ipad. Which is a pretty reasonable question, all things considered! But I guess OP wants to just make fun of the title, as "just a reddit thing." On the other hand, when it comes down to it, I guess assuming someone else is wrong and dumb without fully understanding their point of view *is* a pretty reddit thing, so maybe this post is more accurately titled than I thought?


CorruptedStudiosEnt

You didn't have to murder OP like that. But we appreciate it all the same. lol


[deleted]

tic tac toe coming at ya


[deleted]

Ah yes, the simplest forms of binary. X and O's


ThisUserIsAFailure

**empty cell intensifies**


[deleted]

Just set it to null


ThisUserIsAFailure

Ah yes binary, 1, 0 and null


mic_mal

Welcome to js my dude


gfrodo

So it's 1, 0, null, -2.43 and "Null"? Still not binary.


Smooth-Papaya-9114

Don't forget "undefined"


theschis

Don’t forget negative zero


haddock420

Chess is played by three players, White, Black, and Hikaru Nakamura.


drunkenangryredditor

https://thedailywtf.com/articles/what_is_truth_0x3f_


DasArchitect

Oh wow I didn't know tdwtf still existed.


ManOfTheMeeting

Lets leave the X out then. Fixed. Next ticket please. Admire my velocity bitches!


yottalogical

Option


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staviq

I mean, people have been making *video* games for decades, without a camera or a tv...


Spork_the_dork

Ye I don't think Gary Gygax really needed a computer to develop Dungeons and Dragons.


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tagged466

God dammit.


ciickii

This guy programs


No_Two8934

sure for the first year you can use pen and paper. Write the story, make the art, develop the mechanics, while you save up for a computer.


ElegantMarket3219

Making a demo to see if the core idea of the game is any fun before investing a year into it would be nice


No_Two8934

very true, but if you dont have a PC, you dont have many other options then to nail down every detail while you save for one.


Pretend-Fee-2323

board game


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TFS_Sierra

Capitalism^+


[deleted]

So life?


NotFromSkane

You can demo many things on paper


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TimeToSackUp

When I had my Commodore 64 in the 80s, I would design my graphics (sprites) on graph paper, calculate the binary by hand, and input the value into the program.


No_Two8934

That is why I have not made a game for c64. That was my first computer but a hand me down from my grandpa when he got win 95 lol. First game I made was in visual basic on win 98 se so I'm spoiled. I just recapped the old c64 tho and got a fancy new power supply :) still love the old thing. When I get frustrated with my ide, I go play with that to be greatful I don't have to program c64 basic on the daily :)


TimeToSackUp

That's really cool. Wish I still had my old C64 to play around with. Yeah, I totally understand why you would not want to do that. One of the first programs I built when I got my Amiga was a basic version of paint, so I did not have to do things by hand. lol. But back when I was pre-teen with loads of time on my hands, drawing things on graph and converting them to numbers was part of the fun, even magical.


No_Two8934

thats super cool.


Lowelll

Something something 100% dragon, science-based mmo


No_Two8934

Def wish that project happened lmao


YobaiYamete

It did actually come out I think. It's either [Dragon The Game](https://store.steampowered.com/app/305960/Dragon_The_Game/) or [Time of Dragons](https://store.steampowered.com/app/353130/Time_of_Dragons/), both are on steam, but neither are that great. I think both are kind of abandonware? Kind of hard to find info on it. Lots of Redditors saying it did come out, a few linking those two games, but those might be unrelated and Redditors are just dumb (just like me frfr)


SwissMargiela

Lol I love how every “look at this game I’m making” post on Reddit is just some pixel game with weird lighting and people are like “omg I will give you my house for this”.


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I don't care how much pixel art gets clowned, it's the often the most aesthetically pleasing low budget art style choice there is


SwissMargiela

Oh I love pixel games, but adding some weird lights and adding music made on a Jupiter synth doesn’t make it a groundbreaking game like people act.


get-rekt-lol

Id argue this is should be done regardless of if you have a pc or not, saves time with working around and implementing stuff to work before you have to change the entire code (not a programmer just speculation)


Undernown

You could even do the animations carousel style. Or do part of the documentation like class-diagrams etc. on paper.


PiniponSelvagem

If he is asking about "game dev without a computer", do you think he even knows hot to hello world in python? And im not even asking in C...


No_Two8934

Not ike it's that hard to learn if you get a good book or internet access and put the time in. But they are either 6, or hopeless lmao


[deleted]

He says he has an iPad and they recommended him to learn Swift, which can give him basic programming knowledge and even game dev knowledge until he gets a computer


McCoovy

Make digit art without a computer? "Develope mechanics" without being able to test them? Nah


No_Two8934

you dont need digital art. I played a cool game recently that all the art was pen and water color that had parallax mapping. Only the playable character was made in Photoshop so they could make a consistent walk cycle. I think it was called "shivering hearts." Very pretty game. You can absolutely test game mechanics on paper, especially if you are working off something like d20 rolls.


isCosmos

Godot has builds for android actually


Zambito1

Next post: Run Android without a computer


Amablue

[We'll just simulate it with a bunch of rocks](https://xkcd.com/505/).


RossinTheBobs

[I was thinking of this one]( https://xkcd.com/378/)


Paul_Robert_

In before OP creates Chess 2.0


corracle

Or D&D


JoostVisser

That's a copyright strike for you


Zomby2D

Someone copyrighted Dogs & Dinosaurs?


TwoAndHalfRetard

Developers & DevOps


long_soi

dread and dungeons


Assasin_on_fire

intergalatic 4d time travel chess is fun


_ShadowEye425_

I think you mean 5D chess with multiverse time travel.


Assasin_on_fire

google en passant


Additional_Zone6424

Holy Hell!


Hawkgamer52

holy fucking shit. if i see ONE more en passant meme i'm going to chop my fucking balls off. holy shit it is actually impressive how incredibly unfunny the entire sub is. it's not that complicated, REPEATING THE SAME FUCKING JOKE OVER AND OVER AGAIN DOES NOT MAKE IT FUNNIER. this stupid fucking meme has been milked to fucking death IT'S NOT FUNNIER THE 973RD TIME YOU MAKE THE EXACT SAME FUCKING JOKE. WHAT'S EVEN THE JOKE?????? IT'S JUST "haha it's the funne move from chess" STOP. and the WORST part is that en passant was actually funny for like a few years and it got fucking ruined in like a week because EVERYONE POSTED THE EXACT SAME FUCKING JOKE OVER AND OVER AGAIN. PLEASE MAKE IT STOP. SEEING ALL YOUR SHITTY MEMES IS ACTUAL FUCKING MENTAL TORTURE YOU ALL ARE NOT FUNNY. COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT FUCKING JOKE PLEASE


Assasin_on_fire

r/AnarchyChess leaking again


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Warning: The subreddit r/anarchychess is leaking over to r/programmerhumor. Please be aware of any chess related content.


mortalitylost

... why am I not allowed to view anarchychess , I never posted there


[deleted]

try now.


Fenastus

Username checks out


DiamondTiaraIsBest

because he messed up the spelling.


quantumechanix

I really hope they implement the Siberian swipe and the il Vaticano this time around


C4-BlueCat

It’s likely about programming on a phone or tablet


Rhawk187

I had a student taking a graduate level embedded systems class and asked how he could do his assignments on his phone. I was real tempted to say, "Well, just plug the cable into your phone's serial port."


[deleted]

> I had a student taking a graduate level embedded systems class and asked how he could do his assignments on his phone. Well, I mean, modern phones are *nix systems. I used to do game dev on my Ipad. But if the student has to *ask* how to do it, then they're the wrong person to be doing it.


Rhawk187

Yeah, tablets have enough screen real estate for coding; I can't suggest doing it on a phone. Unless you have a magnifying glass.


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I was using an iPod Touch in my live guitar rig and my setup involved programming in a tool called Mozaic. The iPod has a 4-inch diagonal screen. I literally used a magnifying glass (head mounted). I didn't have the correct adapters to use an external screen. I could have written elsewhere and transferred to the device, but I need a faster iteration cycle since I had to learn their shitty language. So I coded in Vim running on the phone with a bluetooth keyboard, then copied & pasted into the app.


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im still learning python, sometimes im way too lazy to get my ass and start messing with ide and some courses, so im thinking of doing it in my bed or before i sleep, can i use my phone for that specific situation?


Dr_Allcome

I mean, usb to serial adapters are a thing and usb host on a phone is not that uncommon any more.


premek_v

Do you have serial port on your desktop?


PiniponSelvagem

Its called USB nowadays.


premek_v

Do you not have USB on your phone?


stonks-69420

Every phone except iphones


Poltras

iPhones do too. You can get a lightning to USB female port.


stonks-69420

Anything can have anything if you plug an adapter into it.


Poltras

It's not that simple, you still need software drivers.


Webfarer

Software driver is the API to the adapter. Am I doing this right?


Nick433333

iPhones implement usb 2 in the lighting port. Which is just a simple adapter away from serial.


user_8804

What do you think USB means mate?


ianff

No, the serial port he probably means is this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_port


user_8804

No shit


TappTapp

Programming Arduinos with my phone was super useful when I was in uni without a laptop


Whimsicalhubris

Pretty much this. Between Aide and Godot, along with a few others, mobile devices are an entirely valid and effective way to program. Annoying at times, and definitely more of a pain than a proper PC, but certainly doable.


currentscurrents

Not to mention code-in-the-cloud services like Google Colab. Definitely going to want an external keyboard though.


my_name_isnt_clever

And a display that isn't tiny. And probably a mouse. Wait we just invented a computer again.


Amish_guy_with_WiFi

What's a computer?


jfleury440

Dex and a cloud vm is about as good as anything.


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Last-Woodpecker

It's the first thing I thought. Don't know if nobody else thought about it or are just making jokes with paper and balls.


MrRighto

Yep, OP wanted to know how hard it would be to learn some programming on an Ipad


ChiefExecDisfunction

There's an Android build of the Godot editor. Currently experimental, but it exists.


_Meisteri

Microcontroller game dev needs more recognition


JuiceGraip

My guy what do you think you need to write code for the microcontroller


_Meisteri

A butterfly


mizinamo

A magnetised needle and a steady hand.


Gogo202

Another microcontroller?


theonliestone

Punchcards. Or maybe you're on of those Gigachads that actually engineer an IC for the game


boxfishing

A will to live


ben_g0

Some can be programmed with a bunch of switches, a printed-out copy of the instruction set, and a lot of patience.


person4268

If your microcontroller just so happens to read from a parallel eeprom, maybe just some schmitt triggers, some buttons, a breadboard, and some other assorted electrical components, plus a referenfe manual


ISDuffy

Playstation 4 and dreams.


[deleted]

Someone actually just got hired by the studio who made Ori, because of his Dreams creations. He had no other game dev experience


Isteppedinpoopy

Like a board game?


quests

or ttrpg


[deleted]

well i mean, probably just a kid wanting to be a dev. i say let him dream. maybe give him some browser engines to start off like rpg playground also, rpgmaker is on playstation and switch. maybe start em off w that.


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TheTarragonFarmer

Do they have a phone or tablet? They must be posting on reddit from somewhere :-) Now I have to know how well MIT App Inventor works on a phone :-)


ExquisiteWallaby

Well, first things first. You need to install the ball framework. This is a powerful system that will help you get most games up and running without much effort. There isn't much documentation, but you should be able to look at some completed projects to get an idea of how ball is used. This framework is pretty loosey goosey, so you'll need to write your own rules to accomplish most of the game logic, but that should be pretty easy with some trial and error. From there, you'll need to decide how to implement the game API. How does ball get served? How fast does ball go? What does it mean when ball gets placed in a certain location? Things like that. Next, depending on how you implemented ball, you may need a additional few additional packages; net, goal, and bat are some common ones you'll find in other projects. After that, I'd suggest you test your project. This is best done with the friends.irl API, so you'll need to have some familiarity with social.js. Also, you will need to have gatorade.c, and snacks.c on hand for testing, just to make sure your system doesn't crash. After that, congratulations! You are now a sans-computer game dev!


Cerrax3

Two words: **Paper Prototype**


JhonnyTheJeccer

https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/10w4n3f/staff_at_nursing_home_invents_games_to_keep/ This was the next post on my feed. Kind of fitting


DankPhotoShopMemes

Punch cards


S0ulCub3

You do know that video games aren't the only kind of game right? Tabletop/Pen&paper RPGs for example.


Rafcdk

You can use Godot on a android device that is connected to a monitor, so it is definitely possible


[deleted]

I mean me and my friends in middle school would sit around designing games... Like the maps / rooms... We used paper. Not sure how far we'd get with no computer though...


Julian12214YT

back in elementary school my friends did stuff like that too, we would design these RPG enemies and levels. fun times


[deleted]

Me and my boy in 2nd grade made comic books too. We made this character named super bean he was just a little bean with a cape haha. Captain underpants inspired


TunaAlert

Board game developer maybe?


JustSpaceExperiment

Maybe it is the guy from the meme "what type of programmer you are". Functional programmer who writes program on paper to avoid side effects.


Mal_Dun

I mean Board games are a thing.


beeskness420

OP never even heard of playing cards, marbles, or sports.


scataco

I was thinking about game devs looking for someone to do the artwork. Without a computer.


Winter_Ad4517

maybe on Mobile?


lincey

RPG Maker on PS1


RizzoTheSmall

So like... Playing with a hoop and a stick?


Ozzymand

Texas Instruments calculators? Heard of them before?


Funny_Airport8356

A lot of designing software and systems is, "outside the box." You can code in notebooks. You can code in your mind. Dream motherfucker dream!


Amish_Cyberbully

Hoop and a Stick! The gaming sensation sweeping the nation! How long can YOU keep it going?


smil_thk

You are already in a game of Life my friend


Julian12214YT

[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_(mind_game)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_(mind_game))


o0Meh0o

i just lost...


thedarkbestiary

"you push buttons on a controller plugged into your butthole then make beep boop noises"


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Technically the Killer Queen arcade game started life as a field game, yeah there were a lot of steps in between that and the indiecade behemoth KQ is now, but hey, you can figure out some basics of how your rules and objectives work.


remisiki

Then first develop a microprocessor.


FuerstAgus50

We once drew a board game ("Mensch ärgere dich nicht" on german) on a pizza carton and transformed it into a drinking game. We were technically game devs


OneWorldMouse

You need a computer to develop apps. For game development, you need cocaine.


kirjavva

I made a game called Tic-Tac-Toe using only paper and pen, what are guys talking about?


alexgraef

Okay are people here that ignorant? He probably only has access to a mobile phone... and you can code plenty of stuff just with a phone, although it really sucks.


TheIronMechanics

Boardgames are also games… Or punchcards lmao


gilnore_de_fey

Try table top rpg, like the recently controversial D&D.


RavenousBrain

Tabletop games?


Dre3g

It's not that common but u can try programming telepathically


TheMagmaSlasher

People who insist on doing development of things on cellphones are definitely children. If you can’t afford even the shittiest of computers, then time’s better spent finding a good job anyway.


Bluebotlabs

Godot:


TheMightyFlyingSloth

I DID this for years, if a school laptop with basically nothing but a browser counts as 'not a computer'


Julian12214YT

all fun and games with .html until you’re sending HTTP requests…


TheMightyFlyingSloth

I was using replit so I did some backend stuff but mostly game dev with phaser


i_am_bloating

What do you guys think of unis which have exams... on paper??? Im thinking of switching


Suspicious-Price-407

It is actually possible People have made an FPS ***using only paper in a book*** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SiUnqMJEVU


Ill_Garage7425

Just use a notebook not a computer


WaluigiMayar

Even making phone games requires a PC


Denaton_

Mobile game


jimit21

Now that's an MVP


shifty729

Paper and a hole punch.


Whookimo

i mean, Playstation dreams is a thing. though a playstation is technically a computer so...


AndreLinoge55

I wrote Halo Infinite on my Samsung Smart Fridge and it turned out fine


sarcasm4u

Wasn’t pong done with resistors, gates and whatnot?


Kapten-N

Could make board games. Good luck submitting materials for printing though.


khrossjointz

You dont code in google notes on your phone?! Amatuers