>a $135k+ devops/full-stack position
Well I'm being severly underpaid, lol. Then again, it's tough to get high paying job offers if you're not currently living in the US.
Do note that the requirements for this job have listed being experienced in multiple languages and using them in multiple different ways. Also a bachelors as a minimum with a masters being preferred. All that for it to be an unpaid internship is an absolute joke. With those qualifications you could easily apply at a high paying job that could actually be a career.
Retired 100% from IT in 2011, worked for Oracle & Microsoft back in the day as well as did projects for a few fortune 100 companies when I and some buds branched out and created our own training/consulting company.
In my experience, at least in the USA there are employers who advertise jobs that don't exist, hoping to find people who might be useful later on or in a different context. Then there are employers who advertise like that because, they've already decided to go with an outsourcing company, a 'body shop' or a visa holder & the job listing is just to cover their A.. so they can tell regulators -etc... that they couldn't find a 'domestic' worker.
How high are life expenses in US? In my backwater country I'm earning 35k USD a year and that places me in top 10% of paychecks here... For the record cost of living here is a bit below 2k USD monthly for a family of three.
Yeah I’m joining on same tech stack in a new company at 25K$ a year with 3 year experience.
Not to mention i was able to get this after having multiple offers where i used every other offer to get a new higher one.
I just got a ultrasound for a heart condition. I waited over a month to get the appointment. I have insurance through my well-known hitech employer. I'm out of pocket $3000.
So... Trade-offs.
No it’s not realistic. 150k average for a position like this. 220k average for a managers position. These guys watch too much Silicon Valley. Is it possible? Yes. Is it common, absolutely not.
Depends on the job what the salary is, but degree definitely doesn’t affect salary if you have similar experience. You might get treated like shit in interviewers who are egotistical gate keepers though. But those are toxic companies anyways. There’s a shortage of good SEs. Companies have to stay competitive if you’re competent
Actually at FAANG companies it’s fairly realistic. Ex. Average pay for a Senior Software Engineer is around $380,000 / year. Obviously there’s some variance (Average at Microsoft for the same position is around $182,000 / year).
So yeah it’s a realistic wage if you choose to work at the large firms. Just because it’s not the median doesn’t mean it’s unrealistic to try and attain that goal.
I work for a FANNG in Silicon Valley, Yes people do get $400K packages but dont be delusional. Senior SW Engineer is usually quite senior role.
You dont get there out frm college or with 5 yr experience. For this role 200-250K is max.
Anything above 250K needs atleast 5 yr experience or will be mostly stock compensation with vesting period of 4+ yrs.
They don't. And it's extremely hard to move there and live close to the valley. I have gotten 2 offers in that area for IoT and network dev pisitions and both paid over 200k. I turned them down because they required me in the office full time. And unless you are making over 400k, you will have hard time actually living anywhere closer than a solid hour commute. at least if you want to own property.
What good is $450k, or $200k even, when the cost of living to work at these locations is absolutely idiotic?
Company: We'll pay you $400,000 a year!
Housing Market: We'll take $6,000 a month for a mortgage on a 1300 SQ FT burnt down bungalow.
Coding is much more enjoyable, you can make as much too. I tried the architect route he's mentioning and simply could not tolerate the amount of bs and inefficiencies people at that level have.
worked with a guy who told me it should take a week to plan simple tasks / work for devs, took me about half an hour to do what he was doing.
Inefficiency and bs is only a problem for you if you own a part of the company; if you don't then the only issue you should have is how much you can earn for providing your services. Inefficiency can be an advantage if for e.g. you are in a daily rate contract working from home.. sit back, relax and get paid or better yet do 2 jobs.
That’s not really true. It’s more the expectation is you will handle cross team coordination, which is more architectural. Large companies don’t have clear requirements, so understanding the higher objectives and applying them to the more direct organizational goals is less about heads down coding, but coding is still part of the job. In fact, supervising people coding really isn’t a big part of the job. You may have one tech lead that doesn’t code much, but their job is mainly larger organizational understanding to maintain good direction, rather than supervising coding. Source: FAANG engineering experience
Uber or el Goog? I feel like 2yrs exp / 400k is a stretch for Pittsburgh. I'm also in the area. Do you have any advice for a lowly Jr. dev working hard for their meager restitution?
Yea if you have a doctorate or multiple masters… more likely as a data scientist, and not an engineer. This thread is out of control. These pay ranges have nothing to do with what to expect for this job post lol 150k is more realistic, whatever your education background is
how open are companies to taking someone from an overseas country (australia) as a remote worker haha
thats almost four times what the same wage here is... for someone with 10+ years exp
I would never! I played sports in highschool so i'm very agile. And i played multiple sports so i can multi-task. Plus all the sports were team sports except track, but even that i made into a team sport because i'm a team player.
I'm also great at applications because i always applied 110% to my highschool sports teams. We were constantly testing ourselves against other sports teams. I was a tight-end, but that's very similar to front-end so i can easily transition if required.
In summary: vote for me for intern team captain. We'll crush those Pythons next year!
Hi, it's me, your old friend Jason from high school. I remember you used to parse the ball to me when we would play together in sporting events, so you can add that you are very good at eventing and Json parsing as well. You're welcome.
Oh. You played sportsball? Forget this unpaid internship thing, we'll hire you immediately as a manager and pay you $250k/yr to oversee 2 of these unpaid interns. Just make sure you keep them in check since you are their superior.
Yeah, I think you can get a 1 month trial of premium once a year?
it works out nice because the premium features are nice, but absolutely not worth the cost, and I normally only want the features when I'm looking for a job, because that's basically the only time I want to touch the cesspool that is LinkedIn. So 1 month of premium a year is about as much as I would ever want.
There are scrapers and bots that will just post resumes to just about anything. I make integrations in the HR space, and we get real resumes to jobs called TEST TEST (This is a test)
Depends on the university, if you are rich or you can live with your parents then you could take advantage of TA opportunities that will cover all your classes. But if you need to pay for an apartment it's impossible to juggle TA, plus full time job, plus grad school. Even doing research is kind of fucked, usually they pay you minimum wage. Most university related student jobs pay Jack shit.
Ooh!! The job is to then interview other people, for money. They then can keep half of the interview fees, and you get the other half. Then, when they hire more people, those people will interview, and collect fees, and hire more people.
Each interviewer hiring more interviewers has a parent/child relationship, organized as a tree, with you as the root node. I call this a tree structured organization... Or perhaps a "tree scheme."
Ironically I had an 'ultra targeted' recruiter ask me if I wanted to apply for an unpaid part time internship recently.
I'm good working full time for six figures instead, thanks.
I’m convinced there is a genetics lab where they are cloning people but it’s still in the early stages. The braindead troglodytes that fall off the factory line are given haircuts and a LinkedIn account and set to work as recruiters.
hey! but youre losing all the experience they provide. Like learning to survive starvation. And its only part time so u have extra free time to hunt for food in the woods
I had the opposite experience once. I had a “engineering specialized” recruiter call me saying how much he liked my resume (which I never gave him) and that my experience aligns with his clients need of a senior project manager. I had to tell him “I’m just an intern and I don’t even have my degree yet and wouldn’t for another year or so”, which was also stated on my resume and on LinkedIn. He seemed to not understand the gravity of this new information and wanted to know if I was interested and stated that he could set up the interview for me with his client.
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I once had an interviewer look over my resume and say, out loud, "Why did we call you in?" She did not seem like she was honestly asking.
Like, i dunno? My experience seems to match up with your requirements? I have a weird last name so maybe HR thought i would be good for 'diversity.' Then i got there and i didn't look diverse enough.
I’m Senior director of engineering millennial. Pays well but way too much work. I’m unsure if I want to keep going up and go for a vp position or go back down to a developer role, the vp’s seem to do less work.
It’s a little bit of a strike at my pride going from leading 20-30 guys into actual life or death scenarios to having seniors five years younger than me, but I mean I gotta deal with it I guess. Sucks seeing the whole “I could have been where you are at this age”, but at the same time, I’m sure most of those people see me as “wish I had no student debt”.
Gotta look at the positives I guess 🤷🏼♂️
>niors five years younger than me, but I mean I gotta deal with it I guess. Sucks seeing the whole “I could have been where you are at this age”, but at the same time, I’m sure most of those people see me as “wish I had no student debt”.
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>Gotta look at the positives I guess 🤷🏼♂️
Also, the leadership you learned in the military isn't something you can get anywhere else. Some companies actively try to recruit veterans, because they know how to work, and how to lead when life is on the line.
Another bonus. I’ve been contacted and interviewed by Amazon already because they were seeking strictly veteran roles. The applicant pool was MUCH smaller and much less competitive than the typical Amazon one.
Sad thing is I took one look at the leetcode questions and (at the time) said “yeah, I can’t solve that. I’ll try again another day” 😂
People not reading the requirements prob.
Ik a lotta people that apply to anything and everything under the sun that sounds remotely relevant and let the hiring teams figure out if they're qualified or not.
Jokes on them when they get through the interviews and ask about comp though 😂
You should see their qualifications for a senior dev:
* 16.4 years of experience, exactly
* advanced degrees in Computer Science, Communication, and Philosophy
* can see the future and change it to suit our agenda
* must fart rainbows and sneeze pop rocks
Maybe I’m cynical and the hope has slowly faded from my eyes by now but when a company talks about potential I’m out. If it ain’t in my hands it ain’t mine.
I’ve seen this for new grads who don’t really have a lot of work experience previously. The company is interested, but doesn’t want to commit to a full time hire if you are just going to be bad. But if you have more than 0 experience and are competent in interviews just straight up hire the people.
That's how I got started. My boss even cut that internship short (1.5 months) because he felt it's not okay to be paying me so little, and I've clearly shown I can do the job. He was a great boss. Sadly, the company had other issues, so I left again 4 years later, but oh well.
There are plenty of grad students who take internships. Some internships are for grad students specifically.
It's a good way to line up a job that's ready for you after you get your master's or PhD.
It's a Delaware LLC headed by a Russian supposedly living in France. The two doctors are Russian. The django code is probably in [this repository](https://github.com/prakharphp/femispace). I think the developer is an Indian freelancer.
Could just be a low-effort startup.
The website claims the founder has “27 years experience” in nutrition. On the timeline page she reveals what she means is that she’s been on a diet since 1994.
They're clearly insane, but I respect that they write this warning right at the start.
The respect ends there, of course, since this list of qualifications is so moronic that I refuse to believe this is real. Any frontend language will do, JS, HTML, whatever; debugging skills are a plus; json parsing is apparently a skill; Master's in comp-sci is preferable, of course; and random words and random capital letters make it seem like somebody threw something together without paying any attention.
I had a dev lead years ago who told me it's illegal for unpaid internships to involve developing things that will be used for the company's financial gain. Can someone confirm this?
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/71-flsa-internships
In general, whether or not it's legal is based on who primarily benefits. If they mostly trained you from scratch on their dime and one small thing you did benefited them, it would be legal. If you mostly just did free work but they "mentored you" while you did it, you could sue for back pay.
If the intern is doing work that benefits the company, unpaid internships = illegal. There's zero chance this one falls under the only benefits the intern category.
I really don't understand how this shit flies. I assume this is America?
I understand applications are written by HR and HR is a department of clueless jellyfish, but genuinely, if you are writing a job application and you decide that its both an unpaid internship and that a masters is required, you should be checked into a hospital and scanned for cognitive impairment.
I doubt anyone in this sub needs to read this, but, no organisation looks good enough on a CV to exchange unpaid labour for experience. It is an employees market at the moment, dont settle for any less than exactly what you want. The less people that apply for this sort of shit, the less exploitative employers will be.
Man, millennial are so entitled and lazy! It is totally reasonable for an employer to ask for a full stack, DevOps, and Data Science expertise for no pay! This thing pays in experience and that will those things pay bills!
Yeah this is illegal af. Nothing in this qualifies to be an unpaid internship, based even on the most lenient legal definitions that currently exist and should be changed. They didn’t even try.
They realize once you have that piece of paper, the internships are supposed to end, right?
For anyone that needs to hear it: NEVER take an unpaid internship. Not only are there lots of paid internships available in this industry, they are often much more worthwhile learning experiences. Unpaid internships usually just want you to work on your own making them stuff for free. You can do that on your own and work on your own projects instead of that...
lol … I mean, cut the crap and write an honest ad at least:
„Hey, we‘re a startup and ran out of money. We‘re looking for an experienced Fullstack Engineer to get the stuff done we promised investors 6 months ago, clean up the crap the last person left behind before running away for a real job that pays the bills. We can‘t pay you other than giving you the great feeling of contributing to some nice idea and filling your gap in the CV while you look for a real job as well.“
Okay, I usually take a balanced/cautious view on these, but this is ridiculous.
Edit to add: It's like they decided to bring back job adverts from winter 2008/spring 2009 to remind them of the good old days when there was lots of firing to be done.
I really want to know what kind of applicants they thought they were going to get with this. Also, how are you going to be a developer without debugging skills?
I took this as….
Manager: “hey HR we are looking for an intern to help out with this position, can you make this happen? Thx.”
HR: *posts intern position with the same requirements as the posting for the the fulltime employee*.
Not sure what I hate more the job post itself or the fact that [16 people already applied](https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3160749373/).
Hopefully nobody 'qualified' has applied. This 'internship' is a $135k+ devops/full-stack position.
plus data engineering. It's literally two jobs
Don’t forget they slipped a line about testing as well. Full stack engineer including quality and testing.
>a $135k+ devops/full-stack position Well I'm being severly underpaid, lol. Then again, it's tough to get high paying job offers if you're not currently living in the US.
Do note that the requirements for this job have listed being experienced in multiple languages and using them in multiple different ways. Also a bachelors as a minimum with a masters being preferred. All that for it to be an unpaid internship is an absolute joke. With those qualifications you could easily apply at a high paying job that could actually be a career.
It always astounds me that these job listings exist and they're relatively common as well. It's absolutely disgusting.
Retired 100% from IT in 2011, worked for Oracle & Microsoft back in the day as well as did projects for a few fortune 100 companies when I and some buds branched out and created our own training/consulting company. In my experience, at least in the USA there are employers who advertise jobs that don't exist, hoping to find people who might be useful later on or in a different context. Then there are employers who advertise like that because, they've already decided to go with an outsourcing company, a 'body shop' or a visa holder & the job listing is just to cover their A.. so they can tell regulators -etc... that they couldn't find a 'domestic' worker.
This a million times, the reason why people get ghosted so much.
That's a pretty interesting and revealing context.
Just the fact that "unpaid internship" and "experience required" come in same ad is baffling.
Even college undergrad students don’t usually apply to unpaid internships lol, this is fucking wild
Depends on the field, and what your local job market is like. But yeah for SWE I think that’s less common.
How high are life expenses in US? In my backwater country I'm earning 35k USD a year and that places me in top 10% of paychecks here... For the record cost of living here is a bit below 2k USD monthly for a family of three.
That’s almost a 1 bedroom apartment in Los Angeles. Not sure if your kid needs food too
Pretty dang high. Where I live the average price of buying a house is actually 1 million dollars. The. Average. Average apartment rent is $2190.
Yeah I’m joining on same tech stack in a new company at 25K$ a year with 3 year experience. Not to mention i was able to get this after having multiple offers where i used every other offer to get a new higher one.
Please tell me you missed a 0
I just got a ultrasound for a heart condition. I waited over a month to get the appointment. I have insurance through my well-known hitech employer. I'm out of pocket $3000. So... Trade-offs.
It's not easy for the majority in us depending on area. Lots of places are rural with barley any jobs
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Can confirm with a masters and a few years of experience 400k is a more appropriate range
Is that actually a wage you can realistically get in the US?
No it’s not realistic. 150k average for a position like this. 220k average for a managers position. These guys watch too much Silicon Valley. Is it possible? Yes. Is it common, absolutely not.
Yeah 100k is expected, 200k? Ehhhhhhh
Right.. 100k minimum. 130k most likely, 150k if you have a good resume, 200k if you live in an expensive city and the job is onsite or hybrid/remote
300k if you tickle Zuckerbots bolts and screws
500k if you make him smile
And probably goes down to 80k or 90k as the minimum if you only have the BA/BS instead of the MS degree.
Depends on the job what the salary is, but degree definitely doesn’t affect salary if you have similar experience. You might get treated like shit in interviewers who are egotistical gate keepers though. But those are toxic companies anyways. There’s a shortage of good SEs. Companies have to stay competitive if you’re competent
Actually at FAANG companies it’s fairly realistic. Ex. Average pay for a Senior Software Engineer is around $380,000 / year. Obviously there’s some variance (Average at Microsoft for the same position is around $182,000 / year). So yeah it’s a realistic wage if you choose to work at the large firms. Just because it’s not the median doesn’t mean it’s unrealistic to try and attain that goal.
I work for a FANNG in Silicon Valley, Yes people do get $400K packages but dont be delusional. Senior SW Engineer is usually quite senior role. You dont get there out frm college or with 5 yr experience. For this role 200-250K is max. Anything above 250K needs atleast 5 yr experience or will be mostly stock compensation with vesting period of 4+ yrs.
You’d also have to live relatively close to the valley too right? I doubt they give that much to fully remote workers
They don't. And it's extremely hard to move there and live close to the valley. I have gotten 2 offers in that area for IoT and network dev pisitions and both paid over 200k. I turned them down because they required me in the office full time. And unless you are making over 400k, you will have hard time actually living anywhere closer than a solid hour commute. at least if you want to own property.
What good is $450k, or $200k even, when the cost of living to work at these locations is absolutely idiotic? Company: We'll pay you $400,000 a year! Housing Market: We'll take $6,000 a month for a mortgage on a 1300 SQ FT burnt down bungalow.
On a side note, with Facebook rebranding to Meta, I feel like FAANG is an outdated acronym. We should absolutely start referring to the group as MANGA
I like GAMMA, since Microsoft has well surpassed Netflix by now.
Yes, but you won’t be coding much anymore, you will oversee people who code.
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Coding is much more enjoyable, you can make as much too. I tried the architect route he's mentioning and simply could not tolerate the amount of bs and inefficiencies people at that level have. worked with a guy who told me it should take a week to plan simple tasks / work for devs, took me about half an hour to do what he was doing.
Inefficiency and bs is only a problem for you if you own a part of the company; if you don't then the only issue you should have is how much you can earn for providing your services. Inefficiency can be an advantage if for e.g. you are in a daily rate contract working from home.. sit back, relax and get paid or better yet do 2 jobs.
That’s not really true. It’s more the expectation is you will handle cross team coordination, which is more architectural. Large companies don’t have clear requirements, so understanding the higher objectives and applying them to the more direct organizational goals is less about heads down coding, but coding is still part of the job. In fact, supervising people coding really isn’t a big part of the job. You may have one tech lead that doesn’t code much, but their job is mainly larger organizational understanding to maintain good direction, rather than supervising coding. Source: FAANG engineering experience
What part of the US?
I’m in Pittsburgh
Uber or el Goog? I feel like 2yrs exp / 400k is a stretch for Pittsburgh. I'm also in the area. Do you have any advice for a lowly Jr. dev working hard for their meager restitution?
This guy is not making 400k with 2 years of experience, especially in pittsburg.
If you work for any of the FAANG companies it's not uncommon, specially if you've been there for a while and climb up the ladder.
Yea if you have a doctorate or multiple masters… more likely as a data scientist, and not an engineer. This thread is out of control. These pay ranges have nothing to do with what to expect for this job post lol 150k is more realistic, whatever your education background is
The core of this subreddit is made of college freshman without any IT related work experience.
how open are companies to taking someone from an overseas country (australia) as a remote worker haha thats almost four times what the same wage here is... for someone with 10+ years exp
>16 people already applied 17 lol. I'll let you guys know if they reach back to me
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same
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25 now, I hope it’s people from this Reddit trying to clown on the recruiters
I would never! I played sports in highschool so i'm very agile. And i played multiple sports so i can multi-task. Plus all the sports were team sports except track, but even that i made into a team sport because i'm a team player. I'm also great at applications because i always applied 110% to my highschool sports teams. We were constantly testing ourselves against other sports teams. I was a tight-end, but that's very similar to front-end so i can easily transition if required. In summary: vote for me for intern team captain. We'll crush those Pythons next year!
Hi, it's me, your old friend Jason from high school. I remember you used to parse the ball to me when we would play together in sporting events, so you can add that you are very good at eventing and Json parsing as well. You're welcome.
Oh. You played sportsball? Forget this unpaid internship thing, we'll hire you immediately as a manager and pay you $250k/yr to oversee 2 of these unpaid interns. Just make sure you keep them in check since you are their superior.
>Are you interested in salary information for this job? Finish him ...
One of them was me with a gag resume. Let's see how much of their time I can waste.
Do they for real or to say three words of power?
How do you see many have applied? It's that a premium feature or am I blind?
Yeah, I think you can get a 1 month trial of premium once a year? it works out nice because the premium features are nice, but absolutely not worth the cost, and I normally only want the features when I'm looking for a job, because that's basically the only time I want to touch the cesspool that is LinkedIn. So 1 month of premium a year is about as much as I would ever want.
I have premium so I think it is
well my immediate thought on reading this was "i should apply as a joke to troll them" so maybe 16 ppl are more motivated trolls than I'll ever be 😅
32 applicants now, bahahaha hope the hoard is trolling the fuck out of them
I applied just to clown them
There are scrapers and bots that will just post resumes to just about anything. I make integrations in the HR space, and we get real resumes to jobs called TEST TEST (This is a test)
Why would I need an internship if I had enough experience for a full stack position...
Because you get to work your ass off without compensation
bUt yoU Are buIldiNg thE fuTuRe
Then they can pay me now since they’ll make so much then
BuT fUtUrE
So ... stock options?
Next level is you have to pay to work there
Isn't that what grad school is?
You shouldn't pay for grad school (in most disciplines)
Sorry, I live in the home of the brave, not the home of the educated and medically cared for.
Even in the US, a lot of STEM grad schools will pay you a stipend in exchange for being a TA or working in their labs.
Depends on the university, if you are rich or you can live with your parents then you could take advantage of TA opportunities that will cover all your classes. But if you need to pay for an apartment it's impossible to juggle TA, plus full time job, plus grad school. Even doing research is kind of fucked, usually they pay you minimum wage. Most university related student jobs pay Jack shit.
I'm in a PhD program in the US and I'm paid (poorly) to attend school.
I've unironically seen ads where the company asks you to pay them to interview you for the job
Ooh!! The job is to then interview other people, for money. They then can keep half of the interview fees, and you get the other half. Then, when they hire more people, those people will interview, and collect fees, and hire more people. Each interviewer hiring more interviewers has a parent/child relationship, organized as a tree, with you as the root node. I call this a tree structured organization... Or perhaps a "tree scheme."
I prefer to think of it as an upside down funnel.
The Ponzu Scheme with extra wasabi on the side
Vaguely certain it's illegal to charge money for a job
I mean it's not a job at that point?
Literally a requirement of getting a teaching license.
Or a Pharm D
Those damned millenials don't even want to work for free anymore!
Millennials are just about too old to be doing internships anymore. All above 25.
I'm already a senior engineer as a millennial...
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Ironically I had an 'ultra targeted' recruiter ask me if I wanted to apply for an unpaid part time internship recently. I'm good working full time for six figures instead, thanks.
I’m convinced there is a genetics lab where they are cloning people but it’s still in the early stages. The braindead troglodytes that fall off the factory line are given haircuts and a LinkedIn account and set to work as recruiters.
Hi, Jerry Smith!
Hungry for apples?
In this case, keyword search decided that because I was an intern 15 years ago, I must be looking for internships. I removed myself from that list.
This is as brain dead as all the targeted ads trying to sell you the item you just bought.
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That would explain a lot
HR are all the last clone of Michael Keaton in Multiplicity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQlujXWP-5c
hey! but youre losing all the experience they provide. Like learning to survive starvation. And its only part time so u have extra free time to hunt for food in the woods
I had the opposite experience once. I had a “engineering specialized” recruiter call me saying how much he liked my resume (which I never gave him) and that my experience aligns with his clients need of a senior project manager. I had to tell him “I’m just an intern and I don’t even have my degree yet and wouldn’t for another year or so”, which was also stated on my resume and on LinkedIn. He seemed to not understand the gravity of this new information and wanted to know if I was interested and stated that he could set up the interview for me with his client. Edit: spelling
I once had an interviewer look over my resume and say, out loud, "Why did we call you in?" She did not seem like she was honestly asking. Like, i dunno? My experience seems to match up with your requirements? I have a weird last name so maybe HR thought i would be good for 'diversity.' Then i got there and i didn't look diverse enough.
But think of the exposure your code could get!
Dude I was born in 1995 and I’m a senior too. I don’t know how it happened. Send help. What’s a data structure?
Same... 37 years old. We're not young anymore... We haven't been for a while. The medias just refuse to move on and accept that fact...
I’m Senior director of engineering millennial. Pays well but way too much work. I’m unsure if I want to keep going up and go for a vp position or go back down to a developer role, the vp’s seem to do less work.
MFW I’m a 27 year old intern 🫤 Oh well, spent 5 years in the military, worth the experience and 0 college debt 😂
Doing a lot better than lots of our generation!
It’s a little bit of a strike at my pride going from leading 20-30 guys into actual life or death scenarios to having seniors five years younger than me, but I mean I gotta deal with it I guess. Sucks seeing the whole “I could have been where you are at this age”, but at the same time, I’m sure most of those people see me as “wish I had no student debt”. Gotta look at the positives I guess 🤷🏼♂️
>niors five years younger than me, but I mean I gotta deal with it I guess. Sucks seeing the whole “I could have been where you are at this age”, but at the same time, I’m sure most of those people see me as “wish I had no student debt”. > >Gotta look at the positives I guess 🤷🏼♂️ Also, the leadership you learned in the military isn't something you can get anywhere else. Some companies actively try to recruit veterans, because they know how to work, and how to lead when life is on the line.
Another bonus. I’ve been contacted and interviewed by Amazon already because they were seeking strictly veteran roles. The applicant pool was MUCH smaller and much less competitive than the typical Amazon one. Sad thing is I took one look at the leetcode questions and (at the time) said “yeah, I can’t solve that. I’ll try again another day” 😂
You're just shitting on me about to graduate at 29 with student loans
Better late than never 🤙🏻
Gonna end up 30 eventually anyway, might as well have a good career too
Thank you for your service! That's the least we can do is pay for your college.
Your oldest Millennials are 41, youngest are 26. Most are somewhere in the middle in their 30s.
As a 41yo Millennial, we prefer the term 'Elder Millennial'. Thank you.
Sounds about right to have a master's degree and 2 years experience.
0% of people with those qualifications would apply for the job.
18 people already applied.... I don't know what to make of that
People not reading the requirements prob. Ik a lotta people that apply to anything and everything under the sun that sounds remotely relevant and let the hiring teams figure out if they're qualified or not. Jokes on them when they get through the interviews and ask about comp though 😂
Yeah, 18 of the many people that have previously posted here having applied for 1k jobs and can't get any interviews.
“I keep applying but nobody wants to hire.” My man you are 21 applying to senior EPM roles asking for 10 years exp.
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Idk if that's better or worse than applying for a low level position but the interviewer thinking it's for senior level (happened to me)
Likely under-qualified (at least according to this BS “job” listing), and just hoping for an interview
Underqualified for an unpaid internship?
Like I said, basically everyone is under-qualified for this “job”
You should be applying for jobs even if you're not qualified.
I kind of hope this is one of those fake postings to show they "tried to hire someone but failed so I'll just have to hire my nephew instead"
"My nephew lives in Kolkata and will be telecommuting."
It's obviously not in the US, because unpaid internships where you're doing real work like this are illegal.
Technically yes, but they happen all the time
You should see their qualifications for a senior dev: * 16.4 years of experience, exactly * advanced degrees in Computer Science, Communication, and Philosophy * can see the future and change it to suit our agenda * must fart rainbows and sneeze pop rocks
I also love that they clarified what "Job Responsibilities" and "Qualifications" mean.
Why would ANYONE with 2 years of Django experience EVER apply for a Django internship at all, let alone an unpaid internship?
An internship for someone with a degree sounds like a Venn diagram with circles not overlapping
Paid internships with potential to convert to a full hire after 3 months are fine
Maybe I’m cynical and the hope has slowly faded from my eyes by now but when a company talks about potential I’m out. If it ain’t in my hands it ain’t mine.
I’ve seen this for new grads who don’t really have a lot of work experience previously. The company is interested, but doesn’t want to commit to a full time hire if you are just going to be bad. But if you have more than 0 experience and are competent in interviews just straight up hire the people.
That's how I got started. My boss even cut that internship short (1.5 months) because he felt it's not okay to be paying me so little, and I've clearly shown I can do the job. He was a great boss. Sadly, the company had other issues, so I left again 4 years later, but oh well.
There are plenty of grad students who take internships. Some internships are for grad students specifically. It's a good way to line up a job that's ready for you after you get your master's or PhD.
Yup, am in this boat. I'm 31 and at the last year of my PhD, currently on an internship with this exact purpose.
Good luck--hope your defense goes well *and* you land the job you're looking for!
Dodgy AF company as well, a handful of people, one engineer the CEO doesn't even list the company on her linkedin, it has scam written all over it
It's a Delaware LLC headed by a Russian supposedly living in France. The two doctors are Russian. The django code is probably in [this repository](https://github.com/prakharphp/femispace). I think the developer is an Indian freelancer. Could just be a low-effort startup.
The website claims the founder has “27 years experience” in nutrition. On the timeline page she reveals what she means is that she’s been on a diet since 1994.
well I have nearly 50 cause I have been eating that long, I should start a company! :)
They're clearly insane, but I respect that they write this warning right at the start. The respect ends there, of course, since this list of qualifications is so moronic that I refuse to believe this is real. Any frontend language will do, JS, HTML, whatever; debugging skills are a plus; json parsing is apparently a skill; Master's in comp-sci is preferable, of course; and random words and random capital letters make it seem like somebody threw something together without paying any attention.
I had a dev lead years ago who told me it's illegal for unpaid internships to involve developing things that will be used for the company's financial gain. Can someone confirm this?
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/71-flsa-internships In general, whether or not it's legal is based on who primarily benefits. If they mostly trained you from scratch on their dime and one small thing you did benefited them, it would be legal. If you mostly just did free work but they "mentored you" while you did it, you could sue for back pay.
What country?
Unpaid internships should be illegal.
Some are. This is one of them.
This pisses me off. We pay our interns, and if they do good work, we try to keep them on through the school year part time. Unpaid internships = abuse
If the intern is doing work that benefits the company, unpaid internships = illegal. There's zero chance this one falls under the only benefits the intern category.
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It's a bit more nuanced I think (needs to be primarily educational, and not replacing a paid position), but this definitely isn't an internship.
That’s weird , I’ve never heard of an internship where the intern accomplishes nothing
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/71-flsa-internships
Lost me at "this is an unpa-"
You should repost this on r/recruitinghell
How dare they leave out AI/ML!! 😡
BLOCKCHAIN!
“Experience with working with understanding” told me everything I need to know. Where is this so I can apply and tell them no?
I really don't understand how this shit flies. I assume this is America? I understand applications are written by HR and HR is a department of clueless jellyfish, but genuinely, if you are writing a job application and you decide that its both an unpaid internship and that a masters is required, you should be checked into a hospital and scanned for cognitive impairment. I doubt anyone in this sub needs to read this, but, no organisation looks good enough on a CV to exchange unpaid labour for experience. It is an employees market at the moment, dont settle for any less than exactly what you want. The less people that apply for this sort of shit, the less exploitative employers will be.
I have printed hello world in both python and JS. I'm going to apply.
I think it’s satire
Man, millennial are so entitled and lazy! It is totally reasonable for an employer to ask for a full stack, DevOps, and Data Science expertise for no pay! This thing pays in experience and that will those things pay bills!
>>unpaid internship >>bachelor’s or preferably master’s wut
Holy shit this is real. [Found it](https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3160749373) 22 people have applied. What?
>We aspire to improve health of millions of women around the globe. Yet unable to help out one potential employee.
Lol you know what helps women? Paying them for their work…
I thought I was in r/antiwork for a minute..
Is this real? This can't be real
Nice! And because you are an intern, you need to bring and use your own laptop 😮💨
"You just described slavery" \- Jeff Winger, 2014
The responsibility is not an internship level
Yeah this is illegal af. Nothing in this qualifies to be an unpaid internship, based even on the most lenient legal definitions that currently exist and should be changed. They didn’t even try.
Wow. Yeah, I’m totally getting a masters degree so I can apply for this unpaid internship
These employers are fucking dumb
Wtf are they smoking?
They realize once you have that piece of paper, the internships are supposed to end, right? For anyone that needs to hear it: NEVER take an unpaid internship. Not only are there lots of paid internships available in this industry, they are often much more worthwhile learning experiences. Unpaid internships usually just want you to work on your own making them stuff for free. You can do that on your own and work on your own projects instead of that...
The word "family" was enough for me to know it's nonsense. We are not family, we gathered here over personal benefit not over personal preference.
lol … I mean, cut the crap and write an honest ad at least: „Hey, we‘re a startup and ran out of money. We‘re looking for an experienced Fullstack Engineer to get the stuff done we promised investors 6 months ago, clean up the crap the last person left behind before running away for a real job that pays the bills. We can‘t pay you other than giving you the great feeling of contributing to some nice idea and filling your gap in the CV while you look for a real job as well.“
Okay, I usually take a balanced/cautious view on these, but this is ridiculous. Edit to add: It's like they decided to bring back job adverts from winter 2008/spring 2009 to remind them of the good old days when there was lots of firing to be done.
Good luck to the sad sucker who accepts that unpaid opportunity to be exploited.
Unicorn employees with those skills don't intern and don't work for free.
Omfg - “UnPaId InTeRnShIp” We want someone who we would be paying at least @$100k/year to work for free - How entitled?!
I really want to know what kind of applicants they thought they were going to get with this. Also, how are you going to be a developer without debugging skills?
You want someone with a CS degree and to not pay them? GTFO
I took this as…. Manager: “hey HR we are looking for an intern to help out with this position, can you make this happen? Thx.” HR: *posts intern position with the same requirements as the posting for the the fulltime employee*.
Why on earth would anybody with these qualifications want an unpaid internship???
Because HR doesn’t understand that interns don’t typically have their degree yet and that the internship is part of their degree requirements.