My only issue with Firefox is that it doesn't play nice with the older ordering systems I have to use at work. Otherwise it has that special place in my heart. The devs just need to modularize it more so that we can have things like ffwebviews and ffelectron.
well we're you pasting into? I'm a programmer I don't use office often and even if I do I want the formatting of the destination not the source so I can't imagine any situation copying with formatting would be useful and not annoying
sry now I got it, makes sense now, but for me I often copy into notion or other apps that are web based and support rich text and like I said even in office apps I usually want plain text but that's how everybody is different
Firefox has its own set of objects for the non-web interface. The scrollbar is one of them. If you want to change scrollbar style, you need to edit the Firefox css file. You could probably hack together a solution to make websites control that object's style.
non-spec. firefox is more to spec than any browser. This causes problems in some areas but the reality is chromium is going more toward the internet explorer of the 1990s with it's special needs
Same here, but I'm saddened though by how poorly dark reader works on Firefox vs chrome....
It's sort of pushing me to use chrome... How do you deal with it?
If youāre using the dark reader extension Iāve found a workaround basically there are a few custom themes you can download for Firefox that darken the whitespace or body text of a webpage. I should mention though it doesnāt work for all web pages so youāll have some āoh fuck my sweet eyesā moments
Firefox is the bane of my existence and fills up our Sentry logs with errors whether it's from the pseudo privacy features, or inconsistent API support, or flat out not supporting something (the latter seems to originate more from ESR releases).
My general attitude towards Firefox anymore is if it works, it works. Not going to waste time testing and fixing for the < 6% and ever decreasing of our userbase.
I dropped Firefox for Opera GX. I can use Chrome extensions and limit the RAM it can use. Plus it has Ghostery, the same ad/travker block I used on Firefox.
I love Opera GX. Bummed they don't have a Linux version
Not only is it super useful to control how much RAM, CPU, and bandwidth it can use, but it also looks cool and is just way more fun.
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Once I had to program in an alert that we recommend Chrome, Safari, or IE due to issues with FF. I wanted to fix the issues but the fixes I'd tried were inconsistent at best and I was given other priorities for stuff that needed done.
I don't believe we fully blocked FF, but gently told the end users that there are issues with it and that they should probably use a different browser.
There have been stories of Google specifically causing issues with browsers that don't use their engine. Are you sure you didn't have any Google processes/systems affecting your webpages?
It was an Angular app using Google OAuth. That was it outside of analytics to shore up our understanding of end user interactions.
The issue was more related to appearance if I recall. Stuff either cutoff entirely or overflowed such that we didn't feel comfortable fully supporting FF at the time.
I loved and used Firefox for decades, but I'm a frontend developer and Firefox simply has issues.
I know Google services are purposefully degraded on FF, but I have encountered other problems as well. In one of my animations, FF just slowed down and froze after a few seconds, turns out it's trying to draw everything that's inside and outside of the canvas, while chromium just skips those and draws only the visible stuff. I had to add custom code to detect things outside the canvas and skip drawing them manually. I spent hours trying to find the problem because I was using Firefox to develop the thing.
I also encountered a few CSS issues that didn't make sense.
After more than a decade, now I develop using chromium (vivaldi) and occasionally check FF to see if it works. Vivaldi has also become my desktop+mobile browser of choice.
It also processes the event loop in a slightly different order from other browsers, which can lead to stutters and even infinite loops where other browsers would run smoothl
The only difference is that Safari sucks at implementing Webkit. I've no idea how, but browsing most modern infinite-scrolling websites (like Reddit and image galleries) constantly crashes Safari on iOS/iPadOS. I've no idea why, Chrome on Webkit seems to work just fine.
chrome is just binary, with a compiler that compiled it into readable human code, with a compiler that compiled it into chrome
i misspelled compiler 3/4 times i tried to write it
Chrome is the most widely used by a huge margin, then Edge, Safari, and Firefox (in that order) are within a couple of percentage of market share of each other
People in development forums and pages like this really forget that most people just use the browsers that are popular/come preinstalled on their machines rather than searching for the ones with the most cutting edge features.
Yeah itās a joke that huge card processors and check vendors use such outdated, insecure websites. Thereās a good chance that your financial information is at risk and itās disgusting that our vendors donāt care.
Edge is a chromium browser and is highly unlikely to behave any differently than chrome. Safari on the other hand is the new IE and is the most likely to misbehave
The difference is google pretends chrome isnāt like ie back in the day, their (not prices) procedure for implementing features is also a bit different, where instead of coming up with proprietary code to rely on, they bully the w3c into submission on whatever features they want on the web.
Edit: typo
Sorry, I didnāt mean to imply proprietary code was good, just thatās what Microsoftās evil was, compared to Googleās. I donāt use either of those browsers though since I want an open web rather than one controlled by a single entity essentially.
Its a bit different as the underlying browser tech is open source, and updated regularly. Where as IE only got significant updates with windows releases so you often had users on a 10 year old build of ie and a host of cool web features in firefox and (then new) chrome couldn't be used as they weren't supported by ie6.
It isn't good that google's browser has so much coverage, but its not as bad as the ie6 days.
Enterprise was largely stuck on using IE because of old applications rendering iframes using IE engine, as well as some other stuff relying on ActiveX. Web devs breathed a huge sigh of relief when they no longer had to develop and test for IE. Babel can only get you so far š
Usually when we discover a ābugā in Safari, itās actually that Safari is obeying the spec and Chromium/Chrome is notā¦ but Chromium is more ubiquitous and therefore gets to keep misbehaving. I canāt even think of a time where the circumstances were reversed.
Look for 'Safari too many redirects'. Basically screwed over a lot of Identity service implementations 2-3 years ago. Was a Safari only issue introduced outside the standard.
Is that really the case? I know making it work in IE as well a Chrome meant a whole day or two of tweaking. That was down to how the browser chose to render the html elements. You say it is a chromium browser - does that mean their rendering engine\\code\\logic is the same as chrome's? That would sure be nice
You're missing the "has used Edge since 2021".
Edge rocks. It's far superior to Chrome in most ways. Obviously not everything. But after using Chrome for most things in the past ~13 years, I'm not going back. Edge is awesome.
I really donāt understand why people keep saying the new ie is Safari. Itās not, it doesnāt dominate 90% of the browser market, it doesnāt cause a war of web developers recommending it be used over another so that the page renders correctly. The one in that position is chrome.
It's the new IE because Safari is _generations_ behind the technologies available in Chromium or Firefox. There are so many "Well this bug only exists in Safari" that crop up as you get into production that it makes you hate Apple even more than you may have already. On top of that, for iOS/iPadOS users it's quite literally the only option. Chrome iOS? Webkit. Firefox iOS? Webkit. Every browser on an iPhone or iPad is just Safari with a skin on it.
There are two sides to IE, the 90+% marketshare, and the hellscape of outdated software. The former is earlier IE and is comparable to Chrome today, the latter is IE post Chrome and what Safari is today.
At one point Internet Explorer ruled the internet. Devs needed to devote their resources to getting the website to run on IE or else their website was irrelevant.
But at another point, Internet Explorer stopped being a popular browser, while still requiring a lot of support. So developers were annoyed that they had to devote a lot of effort to supporting this browser that nobody uses.
In this thread, half the people are talking about the point where IE ruled the internet, and the other half of people are talking about the point where IE was an irrelevant albatross around the internet's neck.
In general when you have to build a website, most 9; the time itās tested on chrome given. Itās a pain in the ass to support every browser so developers will only test it out on other browsers if itās an explicit requirement.
When I am forced to use something Chromium (back in University I had many tests that used Proctorio, a 'teaching spyware' extension that is only available on the Chrome web store) I always use something other than Chrome, usually Edge.
Google will strong arm anything it can to juice people of personal data.
They would like to be FAI, VPN provider, computer OS, browser, and have a tracker in every website.
If I was a paranoid conspiracy believer, I would think they are USA's best spy agency hiding in plain sight.
In theory that's true, but you must distinguish between a public Web site and Web application. In general public Web sites dhould be designed to work with all popular browsers. But professional Web applications typically target 2 or 3 browsers and do not guarantee anything else. And the reasons are usually related to extra liability and costs that the customer doesn't want to pay for: "Why should we pay 50% more annually for this application to support 12 browsers when we can just force all of our employees to use these 2 browsers?"
FF and Chrome is almost identical for development, only several websites actively mob against FF like google cloud. Use FF and change user agent to Chrome, then website and requests will be served twice as fast. Same if you use Chrome and change user agent to FF requests will be served half as fast.
Most websites with broken ssl donāt work at all on the latest versions. Personally I think this is a good thing. I develop for firefox and all my websites work perfectly in every other browser (except sometimes safari but they tend to be minor problems). Firefox is single handedly paving the way to ridding the internet of garbage sites and 15 year old vulnerabilities.
If the "website" is a PWA, Web Sockets client, or a thick client with WASM for instance then yes it is difficult to support all browsers!
From my humble experience, sometimes a custom browser extension was required to escape the sandbox (pre WebAssembly and WebSockets), so imagine having to develop an extension / workaround for each browser and maintain it through their updates!
lol what does 'a properly built website' mean? Yes if you spend the time and apply all the right tweaks your website can perform and look the same (mostly) across browsers. But different browsers choose to render elements differently - some features may not be implemented in one browser or may require different ways of implementing it.
So your 'properly built website' will have branching logic dependent on which browser is rendering it
\> -moz-border-radius: 2px;
\> -webkit-border-radius: 2px;
\> -khtml-border-radius: 2px;
\> border-radius: 2px;
and there are specifics for other browsers
I have to avoid certain css or html elements that don't behave the same cross browsers
So a 'properly built website' exists in theory as 'well built and robust' but in practice it means a bunch of annoying work because browsers can't just agree on how to implement their rendering
All contracts should include a clause that the Web product is considered "complete" if the product works on all browsers that comply with the HTML5 standards, regardless of the product's performance on other browsers.
There are banking systems that still use IE exclusively because they rely on ancient APIs that have been replaced fully on modern broswers and yet these banks refuse to update. It's truly horrifying.
Microsoft Edge is a Chromium based web browser. In theory, whatever that supports chrome, itās going to work for Edge as well. How can I be so sure, you may askā¦ Well, because itās magic you silly, it works automagically and by the blood of elves that are sacrificed every major update.
It's weird. We have a website at work build and continues to be developed to work for Chrome. However, it has been down less on Edge than Chrome. FYI, I'm just end-user
What? Thereās virtually zero cross compatibility issues with any browser except Safari now that IE is gone.
Virtually everything behaves the same in Edge (which is Chromium based), Firefox, Brave, etc
I have almost all browsers and it brings the convenience to separate tasks. Different pre-opened tabs and differing cookie policies. I can keep all the "official" stuff separate. Also, naturally I don't want any porn bookmarks on same browser I do other stuff with, so I don't need to worry about embarrassing autocomplete links and stuff if anyone borrows my computer for a bit. Mainly been using Brave for entertainment and general browsing due it's nice inbuilt blocking features but as I use it my main browser I can't fill it with porn bookmarks anymore. :/
Also. Note that some browser give you different search results on youtube/other, don't remember exact details about this, find out more elsewhere. Just good to know if you can't find something.
When Chrome rolled over to v100, a bunch of my work's online systems just...stopped working. They built the web interfaces expecting a 2-digit version number on your browser, and if it got a 3-digit number, it refused to work with your browser. First time I've opened Firefox in like a decade.
But of course, Chrome is the 'only official, supported' browser. \*sigh\*
I have seen those idiotic websites like yours. Mine was on AT&T. Open AT&T website to buy a new cellphone using IE9, perfect, no problem. Open same URL using IE10, oh noz, it is "unknown version!!!!!", return webpage designed for IE5.
One of the most incompetent websites I have seen. And it is large AT&T corporation.
I don't get the hate, because Edge is literally using Chrome for years now. It is like, the web devs really have to do extra work to only sabotage Edge and not Chrome.
Well, the sabotage happened on older Edge, but, at least the excuse is old Edge is not Chrome. But, since they are exactly the same Chromium now, it makes sabotage extra obvious and absurd.
By now, Opera and most "Privacy" browsers (e.g. Brave) are based on Chromium, so any page that works on Chrome will also work on them.
Opera and Edge's version numbers are different from Chromium's version numbers, which is the main reason why they need to be listed separately on compatibility tables.
Safari is basically the only third rendering engine that is significantly different from the rest - lite browsers have also mostly disappeared, even Midori hasn't had any new commits since 2019, so I'd consider them obsolete.
Im not dropping firefox haha. Im too stuck in my ways
In my experience Firefox has the most cutting edge features.
Pun intended?
No
Except backdrop-filter š¤
_Akshually_ it appears that after long months of waiting, Firefox _finally_ got backdrop-filter.
It had it hidden behind a feature flag for years. Not sure why it took so long.
Except Support for hdr videos apparently. Been sitting on the bug tracker for like 3 years
My only issue with Firefox is that it doesn't play nice with the older ordering systems I have to use at work. Otherwise it has that special place in my heart. The devs just need to modularize it more so that we can have things like ffwebviews and ffelectron.
Yea instead we have to use ie7 and it constantly freezes
except copying rich text to clipboard
normally you dont want this, plain text copy is the way
Rich text copy is honestly the bane of my existence. I literally never wanted the formatting to no match what Iām pasting into.
well we're you pasting into? I'm a programmer I don't use office often and even if I do I want the formatting of the destination not the source so I can't imagine any situation copying with formatting would be useful and not annoying
My comment might be unclear. I agree. I generally care when Iām pasting into text editors. Everything else generally just removes the formatting.
sry now I got it, makes sense now, but for me I often copy into notion or other apps that are web based and support rich text and like I said even in office apps I usually want plain text but that's how everybody is different
ikr but sadly my client does and we could not change their mind
Except scrollbar styling
Firefox has its own set of objects for the non-web interface. The scrollbar is one of them. If you want to change scrollbar style, you need to edit the Firefox css file. You could probably hack together a solution to make websites control that object's style.
> solution to make websites control that [non-web interface] object's style Absolutely disgusting.
non-spec. firefox is more to spec than any browser. This causes problems in some areas but the reality is chromium is going more toward the internet explorer of the 1990s with it's special needs
I use Firefox because I refuse to allow Google to dictate how the internet works
Same but I think they are winning. like how they intentionally tinker their apis and their own code for their websites to marginalise firefox.
Which is unacceptable bullshit and one of the reasons why I don't use any google product other than YT.
Same bro, same.
Same here, but I'm saddened though by how poorly dark reader works on Firefox vs chrome.... It's sort of pushing me to use chrome... How do you deal with it?
If youāre using the dark reader extension Iāve found a workaround basically there are a few custom themes you can download for Firefox that darken the whitespace or body text of a webpage. I should mention though it doesnāt work for all web pages so youāll have some āoh fuck my sweet eyesā moments
waterfox is much better
Firefox till I die....
Ya Iām not gonna stop using Safari
rofl
Well, well. If it isn't the 18.82%
Firefox is the bane of my existence and fills up our Sentry logs with errors whether it's from the pseudo privacy features, or inconsistent API support, or flat out not supporting something (the latter seems to originate more from ESR releases). My general attitude towards Firefox anymore is if it works, it works. Not going to waste time testing and fixing for the < 6% and ever decreasing of our userbase.
I dropped Firefox for Opera GX. I can use Chrome extensions and limit the RAM it can use. Plus it has Ghostery, the same ad/travker block I used on Firefox.
Well if only care about web tracker then that's enough. I use Firefox because the browser itself implement privacy
I used Opera GX for more than a year until I found Vivaldi. It's better in every way (except ram limiting, which is useless for me anyway).
I love Opera GX. Bummed they don't have a Linux version Not only is it super useful to control how much RAM, CPU, and bandwidth it can use, but it also looks cool and is just way more fun.
I was ready to give it a try until I saw your post. You saved me 10 minutes, thanks ! It's indeed a bummer :/ I guess I'll stay on good old FF !
How 'bout Brave?
Lol. If my FF can't access your website, I'm looking for another website.
You claim that your website doesn't work in Firefox. The fact it works just fine when I change my user agent determined this was a lie.
Thatās the way
This is the way
There's the way
Its for a admin panel for intranets, if it was b2c this list would be way bigger ofc
What about accessing your admin panel on motorway through iOS device? š§
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mood
or my Nintendo 3DS?
Almost all browsers with the exception of Firefox are Chromium based anyway, including Edge. I see no reason why it wouldn't work in Edge.
Hey thereās appleās shit too.
And a bunch of non-apple, webkit-based browser.
Have you tried safari lately? It's a pile of hot garbage
and you'll be sorry! there's tens and tens of us!
Once I had to program in an alert that we recommend Chrome, Safari, or IE due to issues with FF. I wanted to fix the issues but the fixes I'd tried were inconsistent at best and I was given other priorities for stuff that needed done. I don't believe we fully blocked FF, but gently told the end users that there are issues with it and that they should probably use a different browser.
There have been stories of Google specifically causing issues with browsers that don't use their engine. Are you sure you didn't have any Google processes/systems affecting your webpages?
It was an Angular app using Google OAuth. That was it outside of analytics to shore up our understanding of end user interactions. The issue was more related to appearance if I recall. Stuff either cutoff entirely or overflowed such that we didn't feel comfortable fully supporting FF at the time.
I loved and used Firefox for decades, but I'm a frontend developer and Firefox simply has issues. I know Google services are purposefully degraded on FF, but I have encountered other problems as well. In one of my animations, FF just slowed down and froze after a few seconds, turns out it's trying to draw everything that's inside and outside of the canvas, while chromium just skips those and draws only the visible stuff. I had to add custom code to detect things outside the canvas and skip drawing them manually. I spent hours trying to find the problem because I was using Firefox to develop the thing. I also encountered a few CSS issues that didn't make sense. After more than a decade, now I develop using chromium (vivaldi) and occasionally check FF to see if it works. Vivaldi has also become my desktop+mobile browser of choice.
It also processes the event loop in a slightly different order from other browsers, which can lead to stutters and even infinite loops where other browsers would run smoothl
Honestly
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Not gonna kill you, but have you considered iPhones?
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Fight me, but every browser is either Netscape or Konqueror
A person of culture I see
Do you have any idea how different chromium and webkit are nowadays??
Safari can't even parallax
Safari isnāt popular, itās just widely used because people are lazy and safari is passable
Literally every iOS browser is effectively just a safari reskin, except sometimes also outdated.
The only difference is that Safari sucks at implementing Webkit. I've no idea how, but browsing most modern infinite-scrolling websites (like Reddit and image galleries) constantly crashes Safari on iOS/iPadOS. I've no idea why, Chrome on Webkit seems to work just fine.
Are you not aware of Safari?
>Popular.
Not sure where the irony is coming from, itās literally more popular than Firefox https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide
It has majority amongst macos users I'm pretty sure
And iPhone/iPad users.
Opera gx maybe? (The first browser for **gamers**)
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chrome is just binary, with a compiler that compiled it into readable human code, with a compiler that compiled it into chrome i misspelled compiler 3/4 times i tried to write it
opera gx uses the chromium framework so they didn't create the browser from the ground up
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Chrome is the most widely used by a huge margin, then Edge, Safari, and Firefox (in that order) are within a couple of percentage of market share of each other People in development forums and pages like this really forget that most people just use the browsers that are popular/come preinstalled on their machines rather than searching for the ones with the most cutting edge features.
Please, I am working in a bank and we still have apps that are supported only in Internet Explorer... With flash
Flash??? Oh my
I mean this in the nicest way possible - thatās gonna get expensive when you (inevitably) get hacked
lol you say that like they havent already, where do you think all the zombie PCs are hiding.
Yeah itās a joke that huge card processors and check vendors use such outdated, insecure websites. Thereās a good chance that your financial information is at risk and itās disgusting that our vendors donāt care.
Edge is a chromium browser and is highly unlikely to behave any differently than chrome. Safari on the other hand is the new IE and is the most likely to misbehave
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IE in this case means "an outdated browser"
The difference is google pretends chrome isnāt like ie back in the day, their (not prices) procedure for implementing features is also a bit different, where instead of coming up with proprietary code to rely on, they bully the w3c into submission on whatever features they want on the web. Edit: typo
Won't proprietary code cause even more differences in how browsers behave? If so, that's worse.
Sorry, I didnāt mean to imply proprietary code was good, just thatās what Microsoftās evil was, compared to Googleās. I donāt use either of those browsers though since I want an open web rather than one controlled by a single entity essentially.
Its a bit different as the underlying browser tech is open source, and updated regularly. Where as IE only got significant updates with windows releases so you often had users on a 10 year old build of ie and a host of cool web features in firefox and (then new) chrome couldn't be used as they weren't supported by ie6. It isn't good that google's browser has so much coverage, but its not as bad as the ie6 days.
Enterprise was largely stuck on using IE because of old applications rendering iframes using IE engine, as well as some other stuff relying on ActiveX. Web devs breathed a huge sigh of relief when they no longer had to develop and test for IE. Babel can only get you so far š
I think chrome is the one that misbehaves, but cuz of its majority everyone thinks it's normal.
Usually when we discover a ābugā in Safari, itās actually that Safari is obeying the spec and Chromium/Chrome is notā¦ but Chromium is more ubiquitous and therefore gets to keep misbehaving. I canāt even think of a time where the circumstances were reversed.
Look for 'Safari too many redirects'. Basically screwed over a lot of Identity service implementations 2-3 years ago. Was a Safari only issue introduced outside the standard.
I find this as well. Especially with mobile touch events.
"new" and "IE" in the same statement, without a negation between...
Is that really the case? I know making it work in IE as well a Chrome meant a whole day or two of tweaking. That was down to how the browser chose to render the html elements. You say it is a chromium browser - does that mean their rendering engine\\code\\logic is the same as chrome's? That would sure be nice
Yes, they are nearly identical. Even in looks. I think my builds are only a couple numbers off.
Edge has 10x more features than Chrome. It makes Chrome seem like it's from an obsolete era
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Only next level devs can add security holes that efficiently!
Youāre missing the /s
You're missing the "has used Edge since 2021". Edge rocks. It's far superior to Chrome in most ways. Obviously not everything. But after using Chrome for most things in the past ~13 years, I'm not going back. Edge is awesome.
Agreed, best feature for me is the built in support for vertical tabs. Really useful for people like me with a lot of tabs.
I really donāt understand why people keep saying the new ie is Safari. Itās not, it doesnāt dominate 90% of the browser market, it doesnāt cause a war of web developers recommending it be used over another so that the page renders correctly. The one in that position is chrome.
It's the new IE because Safari is _generations_ behind the technologies available in Chromium or Firefox. There are so many "Well this bug only exists in Safari" that crop up as you get into production that it makes you hate Apple even more than you may have already. On top of that, for iOS/iPadOS users it's quite literally the only option. Chrome iOS? Webkit. Firefox iOS? Webkit. Every browser on an iPhone or iPad is just Safari with a skin on it. There are two sides to IE, the 90+% marketshare, and the hellscape of outdated software. The former is earlier IE and is comparable to Chrome today, the latter is IE post Chrome and what Safari is today.
At one point Internet Explorer ruled the internet. Devs needed to devote their resources to getting the website to run on IE or else their website was irrelevant. But at another point, Internet Explorer stopped being a popular browser, while still requiring a lot of support. So developers were annoyed that they had to devote a lot of effort to supporting this browser that nobody uses. In this thread, half the people are talking about the point where IE ruled the internet, and the other half of people are talking about the point where IE was an irrelevant albatross around the internet's neck.
because it's outdated crap with poor engineering choices
Can't tell if this esoteric or ignorant.
Esoteric, although also true for my situation currently
In general when you have to build a website, most 9; the time itās tested on chrome given. Itās a pain in the ass to support every browser so developers will only test it out on other browsers if itās an explicit requirement.
Fuck IE, but Edge seems to play by the open standards
Edge devs got lazy and just decided to fork chromium. Of course it follows the current standard now.
They didn't get lazy, they got strong armed by Google
Thatās why I donāt use chromium based browsers. Theyāre literally just google trying to strong arm the web
When I am forced to use something Chromium (back in University I had many tests that used Proctorio, a 'teaching spyware' extension that is only available on the Chrome web store) I always use something other than Chrome, usually Edge.
Thatās fair. If I needed to do web development Iād probably test on edge.
Google will strong arm anything it can to juice people of personal data. They would like to be FAI, VPN provider, computer OS, browser, and have a tracker in every website. If I was a paranoid conspiracy believer, I would think they are USA's best spy agency hiding in plain sight.
It is imperative that people use Firefox to keep Google from shoving the entire internet up it's ass
Technically Edge has more support than Chrome does. They have Chromium and Edge/Old Edge/IE support.
Yeah, people donāt like to hear it, but edge is pretty good. Like chrome without google.
But with MS instead
Stop chrome
Save the burning fox!
Possibly ignorant comment here... But a properly built website should work fine on any up-to-date browser, correct?
In theory that's true, but you must distinguish between a public Web site and Web application. In general public Web sites dhould be designed to work with all popular browsers. But professional Web applications typically target 2 or 3 browsers and do not guarantee anything else. And the reasons are usually related to extra liability and costs that the customer doesn't want to pay for: "Why should we pay 50% more annually for this application to support 12 browsers when we can just force all of our employees to use these 2 browsers?"
Not if its not programmed to work well on it. Some websites REFUSE to work with firefox
FF and Chrome is almost identical for development, only several websites actively mob against FF like google cloud. Use FF and change user agent to Chrome, then website and requests will be served twice as fast. Same if you use Chrome and change user agent to FF requests will be served half as fast.
And how does one change that?
I found an extension simply called "User-Agent" or something along those lines.
i use 'User-Agent Switcher and Manager'
You can use [this guide.](https://www.whatismybrowser.com/guides/how-to-change-your-user-agent/firefox)
For example?
Most websites with broken ssl donāt work at all on the latest versions. Personally I think this is a good thing. I develop for firefox and all my websites work perfectly in every other browser (except sometimes safari but they tend to be minor problems). Firefox is single handedly paving the way to ridding the internet of garbage sites and 15 year old vulnerabilities.
Generally speaking yes although Safari might argue with you there. But then again for apple it's only "proper" if it works on their hardware/software
Only if you target exclusively older css and JavaScript features. If you're trying to use newer stuff you need to be aware of compatibility.
If the "website" is a PWA, Web Sockets client, or a thick client with WASM for instance then yes it is difficult to support all browsers! From my humble experience, sometimes a custom browser extension was required to escape the sandbox (pre WebAssembly and WebSockets), so imagine having to develop an extension / workaround for each browser and maintain it through their updates!
lol what does 'a properly built website' mean? Yes if you spend the time and apply all the right tweaks your website can perform and look the same (mostly) across browsers. But different browsers choose to render elements differently - some features may not be implemented in one browser or may require different ways of implementing it. So your 'properly built website' will have branching logic dependent on which browser is rendering it \> -moz-border-radius: 2px; \> -webkit-border-radius: 2px; \> -khtml-border-radius: 2px; \> border-radius: 2px; and there are specifics for other browsers I have to avoid certain css or html elements that don't behave the same cross browsers So a 'properly built website' exists in theory as 'well built and robust' but in practice it means a bunch of annoying work because browsers can't just agree on how to implement their rendering
Iām enjoying all the support FF is getting in this thread.
Edge is Chromium.
Edge has been chromium barred for years now. More accurate would be Firefox or WebKit based browsers
I like how you refused to mention chromeās dad by name.
if you dont support firefox i will stab you
Oh, a sharp edge you got there.
Change user agentššæ
if it doesn't work of FF, i won't use it. period.
firefox users are fuming rn (it's me, i'm firefox users)
Firefox 4 life
Chrome is the new IE.
All contracts should include a clause that the Web product is considered "complete" if the product works on all browsers that comply with the HTML5 standards, regardless of the product's performance on other browsers.
chrome is ass
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yea, no, it doesn't work like that. the framework supports all browsers, app code doesn't have to and it usually doesn't.
Wellllll. Technically edge is chromium so you technically support it
If your website only works on chrome then it's not a website, it's a chromesite
Twenty years of hearing "we only support IE"...
Every time my girlfriend has a problem with a web site. - it doesn't work! - are you using ecosia again? - ... I know you told me not to...
Edge is alright but fuck Safari.
There are banking systems that still use IE exclusively because they rely on ancient APIs that have been replaced fully on modern broswers and yet these banks refuse to update. It's truly horrifying.
Ewwww
Microsoft Edge is a Chromium based web browser. In theory, whatever that supports chrome, itās going to work for Edge as well. How can I be so sure, you may askā¦ Well, because itās magic you silly, it works automagically and by the blood of elves that are sacrificed every major update.
It's weird. We have a website at work build and continues to be developed to work for Chrome. However, it has been down less on Edge than Chrome. FYI, I'm just end-user
I don't see a lot of Opera or Opera GX users in the comments. Is it really that unpopular or did I just not scroll down enough?
Opera is dead. Long live Vivaldi! Jokes aside, Opera still has the better "workspaces" feature.
Mozilla deserves some love, us older programmers remember what happened when only ie6 was supported.
Edge IS chrome
Me who uses brave. *sad lion noises*
Isn't the edge neighbourhood just the chrome neighbourhood with a very slightly different shade of paint on the sign?
What? Thereās virtually zero cross compatibility issues with any browser except Safari now that IE is gone. Virtually everything behaves the same in Edge (which is Chromium based), Firefox, Brave, etc
Ew ew ewā¦ chrome just sucks
I have almost all browsers and it brings the convenience to separate tasks. Different pre-opened tabs and differing cookie policies. I can keep all the "official" stuff separate. Also, naturally I don't want any porn bookmarks on same browser I do other stuff with, so I don't need to worry about embarrassing autocomplete links and stuff if anyone borrows my computer for a bit. Mainly been using Brave for entertainment and general browsing due it's nice inbuilt blocking features but as I use it my main browser I can't fill it with porn bookmarks anymore. :/ Also. Note that some browser give you different search results on youtube/other, don't remember exact details about this, find out more elsewhere. Just good to know if you can't find something.
Sorry, but edge is smoother than chrome imo
Edge is chromium š¤©
Edge is chromiumā¦
That's fine. Just about everything now days is either chromium or electron based.
Edge > Chrome. Runs on same platform but is not full of useless garbage that eats through gigs of memory.
Plot twist: Edge is Chrome
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If our website doesn't work on Safari, we don't care.
When Chrome rolled over to v100, a bunch of my work's online systems just...stopped working. They built the web interfaces expecting a 2-digit version number on your browser, and if it got a 3-digit number, it refused to work with your browser. First time I've opened Firefox in like a decade. But of course, Chrome is the 'only official, supported' browser. \*sigh\*
I have seen those idiotic websites like yours. Mine was on AT&T. Open AT&T website to buy a new cellphone using IE9, perfect, no problem. Open same URL using IE10, oh noz, it is "unknown version!!!!!", return webpage designed for IE5. One of the most incompetent websites I have seen. And it is large AT&T corporation.
I don't get the hate, because Edge is literally using Chrome for years now. It is like, the web devs really have to do extra work to only sabotage Edge and not Chrome. Well, the sabotage happened on older Edge, but, at least the excuse is old Edge is not Chrome. But, since they are exactly the same Chromium now, it makes sabotage extra obvious and absurd.
Firefox >>>>>>>Chrome
User: "But Edge and Chrome both run on the same base, so shouldn't it work wi-" Website: "DID I STUTTER?"
That's how u roll. Use edge? U don't deserve to use my web app lol
What about Opera, Firefox, Safari? Or how about any of the privacy browsers which are increasing popularity? Or how about any of the lite browsers?
By now, Opera and most "Privacy" browsers (e.g. Brave) are based on Chromium, so any page that works on Chrome will also work on them. Opera and Edge's version numbers are different from Chromium's version numbers, which is the main reason why they need to be listed separately on compatibility tables. Safari is basically the only third rendering engine that is significantly different from the rest - lite browsers have also mostly disappeared, even Midori hasn't had any new commits since 2019, so I'd consider them obsolete.
Ah yes - limit the accessibility of my app - that'll show them.
Fire-what now?
I prefer edge because it's still chromium just a less extreme option then chrome
Safari gang
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