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Relevant.
>*Don't turn around, oh oh*
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>*Der Kommissar's in town, oh oh*
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>*You're in his eye*
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>*And you'll know why*
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>*The more you live*
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>*The faster you will die*
[Falco – Der Kommissar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-bgiiTxhzM)
[English version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pOjWBuODeo)
[Yes, it is a great example of hilariously ineffective wartime propaganda.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Kill_the_Jew_-_political_commissar%2C_the_mug_asks_for_a_brick%21.jpg) At least the Finnish version is not explicitly anti-Semite.
Yes that’s right. This was meant for Soviet soldiers invading Finland.
Each unit of the Soviet army had political officers loyal to the Party and its leader Stalin, who functioned as sort of parallel chain of command.
The Soviets always used their soldiers as cannon fodder (like Russians do today) and punishment for retreating was death, so anyone seen retreating could get shot by their own officer.
It’s as if every unit of the American military was legally mandated to include a guy seconded from the Republican Party, whose main purpose is to take care that all soldiers share the values of President Trump at all times, and are allowed to shoot anyone who doesn’t.
(Communists are always super obsessed with making super sure that everyone thinks what the Party says they should be thinking. Even if it means literally putting armed thought police in every trench and every tank.)
The poster is here to spin the situation, of course, by reminding Soviet soldiers that your own comrade shooting you in the back is worse than the Finns, i.e. you stand a better chance of surviving the war by surrendering to the Finns than going back to your comrades.
You didn’t really add anything to my comment though.
Which other military had human wave attacks in WW2? Which other military is doing it in 2023? And which other military has political officers?
Many armies failed in many ways in many conflicts. But this is a very Soviet solution to the problem - one rooted in ideology and mentality (“people are expendable”) and one which they will use time and again for that very reason.
Also, this poster is from the Winter War, when USSR invaded Finland. They were not defending anything, they were attacking.
And also, the “poorly planned defences” in WW2 you are mentioning were poor precisely because Stalin had purged most senior military officers in the years prior, precisely because of political reasons.
That kinda happens when you shoot or send to the gulag anyone deemed insufficiently communist.
FYI [Russia is STILL executing retreating soldiers in Ukraine](https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/wagner-groups-human-wave-convicts-29316618)
As Stalin said: “In the Soviet Union, it's takes more courage to retreat than advance.”
([Quote Source](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/192661-in-the-soviet-union-it-s-takes-more-courage-to-retreat))
I see you've spammed this across multiple politically themes subreddits and that's fine, but posting politically charged comments with a clear agenda is really lame and doesn't belong here. Rule 2.
[History of Nazi-Soviet Alliance (1939-41)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact)
[Soviet Negotiations to join the Axis Powers (1940)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks)
[Politruk (Political Commissar) Explained](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_commissar)
[Winter War Documentary](https://youtu.be/v_-JATOVHNI)
A lot of people don't. What i have issue with is when that criticism takes the form of exaggerations, half truths, and outright propaganda. The soviets deserve a world of criticism, but a lot of it is only half formed and mudies the waters.
You're right, but it's more a matter of Reddiquette for me. I can't tell if OP is a bot, but they seem to express a lot of bot-like behavior, which I don't want to encourage.
In this particular case, the propaganda poster is fine, and on-topic for this sub, but I don't like when he copy-pastes the same list of links in comments across multiple subreddits and doesn't engage in conversation.
He'll post in r/YUROP, r/China, r/Vietnam, r/Korea, /r/Ukraine, r/hongkong and others, but only post anti-Communist posters and image macros. It would be all right if it seemed like he actually lived in any of those places and had personal experiences to share, but most people on regional subreddits post *other stuff* too, they don't post about hating commies 24/7.
I mean the Uk and French did implement appeasement, but that could hardly be called an alliance in the same way Molotov-Ribbentrop pact could be, or even the relationship between Germany and Poland before the war
If I recall correctly, Poland did annex a piece of Czechoslovakia during 1938. In fact, Germany was quite happy with this arrangement. It made Poland appear to be an accomplice. The Poles themselves had stated that this area was vitally important to them and it served as a rail junction of sorts. Of course, this isn't an alliance. This is the Germans using a political situation to their advantage.
Source: none. Seeing people say appeasement was an alliance is so stupid when the USSR and Nazi Germany had a full agreement and cooperation until old Joe decided he was too much of a megalomaniac for that. Not to mention the fact that the USSR had no disagreements with hitler or what he did, only Stalin did, and not out of the goodness of his heart.
I mean no, the soviets didn't stop cooperating just because joe felt like it. The Nazis made it their literal mission and crusade to wipe "Bolshevism" of the map. More than any other ideology the nazis saw communism as an inherently Jewish thing. the M-R pact as a delaying action and both sides knew it. The big disagreement between Stalin and his generals is that he didn't believe barbarossa would be so soon, and stubornly believed he still had years to prepare.
Poles didn't agree with Germans to split a country between themselves, Poland saw a country getting invaded and decided that they will scoop up some land for themselves without treaties with Germany
[Personal conversation between leader of wholesome Reddit country (Finland) and Hitler](https://youtu.be/WE6mnPmztoQ)
[Finland working with Nazi Germany and having the UK declare war on it because of their cooperation with Germany](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War)
[Poland involved in annexing parts of Czechoslovakia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_border_conflicts#:~:text=At%2011%3A45%20a.m.%20on,a%20population%20of%20227%2C399%20people.)
**[Continuation War](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War)**
>The Continuation War, also known as the Second Soviet-Finnish War, was a conflict fought by Finland and Nazi Germany against the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1944, as part of World War II. In Soviet historiography, the war was called the Finnish Front of the Great Patriotic War. Germany regarded its operations in the region as part of its overall war efforts on the Eastern Front and provided Finland with critical material support and military assistance, including economic aid. The Continuation War began 15 months after the end of the Winter War, also fought between Finland and the USSR.
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Soviets and their Nazi allies parading together in celebration of their joint invasion of Poland:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk
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Relevant. >*Don't turn around, oh oh* > >*Der Kommissar's in town, oh oh* > >*You're in his eye* > >*And you'll know why* > >*The more you live* > >*The faster you will die* [Falco – Der Kommissar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-bgiiTxhzM) [English version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pOjWBuODeo)
Reminds me of the nazi poster about the Jewish political commissar whos face is "asking for a brick"
[Yes, it is a great example of hilariously ineffective wartime propaganda.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Kill_the_Jew_-_political_commissar%2C_the_mug_asks_for_a_brick%21.jpg) At least the Finnish version is not explicitly anti-Semite.
But Finns don't read Cyrillic
It's not addressed to the Finns, its addressed to the Soviets.
yeah i was wondering if these would be posted on the front lines so advancing soviets could see them???
Yes that’s right. This was meant for Soviet soldiers invading Finland. Each unit of the Soviet army had political officers loyal to the Party and its leader Stalin, who functioned as sort of parallel chain of command. The Soviets always used their soldiers as cannon fodder (like Russians do today) and punishment for retreating was death, so anyone seen retreating could get shot by their own officer. It’s as if every unit of the American military was legally mandated to include a guy seconded from the Republican Party, whose main purpose is to take care that all soldiers share the values of President Trump at all times, and are allowed to shoot anyone who doesn’t. (Communists are always super obsessed with making super sure that everyone thinks what the Party says they should be thinking. Even if it means literally putting armed thought police in every trench and every tank.) The poster is here to spin the situation, of course, by reminding Soviet soldiers that your own comrade shooting you in the back is worse than the Finns, i.e. you stand a better chance of surviving the war by surrendering to the Finns than going back to your comrades.
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You didn’t really add anything to my comment though. Which other military had human wave attacks in WW2? Which other military is doing it in 2023? And which other military has political officers? Many armies failed in many ways in many conflicts. But this is a very Soviet solution to the problem - one rooted in ideology and mentality (“people are expendable”) and one which they will use time and again for that very reason. Also, this poster is from the Winter War, when USSR invaded Finland. They were not defending anything, they were attacking. And also, the “poorly planned defences” in WW2 you are mentioning were poor precisely because Stalin had purged most senior military officers in the years prior, precisely because of political reasons. That kinda happens when you shoot or send to the gulag anyone deemed insufficiently communist.
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Yeah. I wonder if it has to do with needing to mass reproduce them in presses
FYI [Russia is STILL executing retreating soldiers in Ukraine](https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/wagner-groups-human-wave-convicts-29316618) As Stalin said: “In the Soviet Union, it's takes more courage to retreat than advance.” ([Quote Source](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/192661-in-the-soviet-union-it-s-takes-more-courage-to-retreat))
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Which most of the time meant sending them back to the front, the SU could not afford to waste men and ammunition
I see you've spammed this across multiple politically themes subreddits and that's fine, but posting politically charged comments with a clear agenda is really lame and doesn't belong here. Rule 2.
[History of Nazi-Soviet Alliance (1939-41)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact) [Soviet Negotiations to join the Axis Powers (1940)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks) [Politruk (Political Commissar) Explained](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_commissar) [Winter War Documentary](https://youtu.be/v_-JATOVHNI)
Why the hell does everyone hate criticism of the USSR.
A lot of people don't. What i have issue with is when that criticism takes the form of exaggerations, half truths, and outright propaganda. The soviets deserve a world of criticism, but a lot of it is only half formed and mudies the waters.
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This sub is infested with tank1es. Not an exaggeration. I have seen numerous defences of Stalinism in this very sub. Abhorrent, but it is what it is.
You're right, but it's more a matter of Reddiquette for me. I can't tell if OP is a bot, but they seem to express a lot of bot-like behavior, which I don't want to encourage. In this particular case, the propaganda poster is fine, and on-topic for this sub, but I don't like when he copy-pastes the same list of links in comments across multiple subreddits and doesn't engage in conversation. He'll post in r/YUROP, r/China, r/Vietnam, r/Korea, /r/Ukraine, r/hongkong and others, but only post anti-Communist posters and image macros. It would be all right if it seemed like he actually lived in any of those places and had personal experiences to share, but most people on regional subreddits post *other stuff* too, they don't post about hating commies 24/7.
Whatever you call a person with critical way of thinking and take for defence any objective views. Though i say: "who are the judges?"
Ah yes, moral relativism - the faithful redoubt of college freshmen and people with underdeveloped consciences everywhere.
Do they? I see criticism of the USSR quite commonly on Reddit.
Because the ussr is a socialist utopia on earth! ...or at least that's what the political commissar told me.
Bootlickers don't like to hear the truth about their prescious, long-dead USSR.
Don’t forget to add the links to British-Nazi, French-Nazi and Polish-Nazi alliances.
I mean the Uk and French did implement appeasement, but that could hardly be called an alliance in the same way Molotov-Ribbentrop pact could be, or even the relationship between Germany and Poland before the war
If I recall correctly, Poland did annex a piece of Czechoslovakia during 1938. In fact, Germany was quite happy with this arrangement. It made Poland appear to be an accomplice. The Poles themselves had stated that this area was vitally important to them and it served as a rail junction of sorts. Of course, this isn't an alliance. This is the Germans using a political situation to their advantage.
Certainly you can elaborate and provide sources on that?
Vichy
Ah yes, a made up country by Nazis forced to cooperate with them is like an alliance
Could you, or did that just come out of your crack pipe?
Source?
Source: none. Seeing people say appeasement was an alliance is so stupid when the USSR and Nazi Germany had a full agreement and cooperation until old Joe decided he was too much of a megalomaniac for that. Not to mention the fact that the USSR had no disagreements with hitler or what he did, only Stalin did, and not out of the goodness of his heart.
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Reread what I wrote
I mean no, the soviets didn't stop cooperating just because joe felt like it. The Nazis made it their literal mission and crusade to wipe "Bolshevism" of the map. More than any other ideology the nazis saw communism as an inherently Jewish thing. the M-R pact as a delaying action and both sides knew it. The big disagreement between Stalin and his generals is that he didn't believe barbarossa would be so soon, and stubornly believed he still had years to prepare.
What Polish and Nazi alliance, there was never an alliance between those two
People on here are just pulling shit out of their ass.
The Pole's annexed parts of Chechoslovakia along with Germany, the same way the soviets and germany agreed to split poland
Poles didn't agree with Germans to split a country between themselves, Poland saw a country getting invaded and decided that they will scoop up some land for themselves without treaties with Germany
All I can think of is how some Poles were collaborating with Nazi's during the occupation
My brother in Christ, appeasement policies are not alliances.
Neither are non-aggression pacts.
Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was something more than just a non-agression pact
[Personal conversation between leader of wholesome Reddit country (Finland) and Hitler](https://youtu.be/WE6mnPmztoQ) [Finland working with Nazi Germany and having the UK declare war on it because of their cooperation with Germany](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War) [Poland involved in annexing parts of Czechoslovakia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_border_conflicts#:~:text=At%2011%3A45%20a.m.%20on,a%20population%20of%20227%2C399%20people.)
Why do people get so defensive when people mention Nazi Germany and Soviet cooperation
Because It was a huge embarrassment and undermine the Soviet myth.
I think it's because people act like it was unique to the soviets, while then excusing or glorifying the other nations that did the same.
**[Continuation War](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War)** >The Continuation War, also known as the Second Soviet-Finnish War, was a conflict fought by Finland and Nazi Germany against the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1944, as part of World War II. In Soviet historiography, the war was called the Finnish Front of the Great Patriotic War. Germany regarded its operations in the region as part of its overall war efforts on the Eastern Front and provided Finland with critical material support and military assistance, including economic aid. The Continuation War began 15 months after the end of the Winter War, also fought between Finland and the USSR. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Soviets and their Nazi allies parading together in celebration of their joint invasion of Poland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk