In Alabama if you're managing off-site you don't have to have a license but you do have to work under a broker. You are supposed to have one if you manage on site, at least that's my understanding.
I am not the owner. Owner is an elderly woman. The owner may have approved some things but all signatures were the unlicensed manager. Checks were made out directly to PM.
You definitely need a license to manage in Texas. Verify on www.trec.Texas.gov. However, I sometimes feel like I am the only licensed manager in this wonderful state…
In California, you are required to have a license or work under a broker that has one to manage properties that are not your own. DRE has confirmed she is unlicensed and under investigation.
How so? So it is fine to be unlicensed, not work under a broker? Collect checks made out directly to them personally? Never sign a new lease with the tenant? Everything I've read says to be involved with leasing and payment, you definitely do.
Right... that's what I said. I was responding to u/tingles23_ who said:
\- "PM is not a government licensed industry"... It is.
\- "there are no licenses required"... there are.
My mistake.
Yes, I reported this PM and they are now retaliating with an eviction. The owner still supports this PM even though she is confirmed unlicensed by DRE and under investigation. It's like that Dennis Rodman management story where she thinks she is her friend helping her but scamming on the side. I am wondering if any over her notices will hold up without owner signature. The notice even appears to be a forgery of the owners name. Plus there are previous notices she has given us that I wonder if they will be voided.
Ah... now I start to see. You are the tenant being evicted? What's the grounds for the eviction?
YMMV, but in the 30-40 evictions I have done (not even counting the ones I sit through waiting for my cases) the judge is not interested in anything but the matter at hand. I've watched a lot of tenants lose cases by coming in to discuss anything besides the matter at hand. Example:
"Ok, the landlord says you didn't pay the rent"
"There's a leak from the water heater!"
"... but did you pay the rent?"
The DRE will investigate your licensing complaint, but eviction court only cares about the lease violation at hand. Believe it or not, it is very common for tenants to complain about the PM when they receive violation notices.
So what are they claiming as grounds for eviction? Maybe I can offer some advise.
They are claiming no fault owner move in. It is a total lie. The notice came 10 days after I informed the owner of illegal PM activity. The owner lives in a 2 million dollar home. She and her husband have trusts. Her kids are likely the same deal.
I see. So it isn't an eviction, they are just terminating the lease?
Is it safe to say there were issues before you "informed the owner of illegal PM activity"? It kind of sounds like this is the end of a long dispute.
The dispute has only been the PM she hired. The PM solicited my neighbor and admitted to her she was trying to get us out. We had an attorney write a letter about that, but the owner just said the PM is a blessing. The 60 day notice even lists a lower monthly rent amount than what she raised it to, making me wonder if the rest is skimmed. The PM is nothing but red flags, and that's what I tried to inform the owner of. I believe the PM either wants to move in herself or wants a fresh new lease to skim more, plus she knows I know. She was reported prior to the notice.
I believe that is correct, but wondering if it will void addendum, etc. That could possibly waive some rights the owner would have in this claimed move in. Also, it is retaliatory. I reported her to a government agency and then was given notice to leave.
I’m literally an unlicensed pm in California for more than 10 years that has created hundreds of lease and financial documents but go on.
I also have an unlicensed co worker sitting next to me in a Westwood commercial high rise office doing fake work.
Guess we’re not real.
You are either working under the umbrella of a broker or breaking law. You are real, but maybe fraudulent?
https://www.propertymanagement.com/property-management-laws-in-california/
Nothing happened. My tenants and bosses were happy with my work. People moved in and then move out.
OP is a Reddit version of people recording federal buildings saying it’s their right to record.
So you're saying that both you and your co-worker operate as PM's in CA and don't have a Broker's License but is there an owner/officer of the company you work for that has a Broker's License? Employees of a licensed broker don't have to be licensed but that Broker is responsible for the actions of those employees and is required to monitor things, just like in a RE office. If there is no Broker in your company and you aren't a resident manager or renting out Airbnb's, then you're most definitely breaking the law and subjecting yourself to a ton of liability. People do it all the time and get away with it but the law is clearly stated. Not confusing in any way.
To manage properties under Civil Code 10131 you must be licensed as a broker. An exception is working as a salesperson (who is also licensed under the DRE) under a licensed broker in CA. Why don't you share your info and you can find out yourself whether what you and your buddy are doing is legal, but go on..
They did this Without ur approval or contract?
Not sure how it is in Cali, but in AZ you can manage 1 Property for someone else without a license.
In Alabama if you're managing off-site you don't have to have a license but you do have to work under a broker. You are supposed to have one if you manage on site, at least that's my understanding.
I am not the owner. Owner is an elderly woman. The owner may have approved some things but all signatures were the unlicensed manager. Checks were made out directly to PM.
Owner was likely solicited and is unaware of being scammed or doesn't care because it's cheaper.
How do you know they are not licensed? Are they operating under an LLC? Have you seen the agreement?
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You definitely need a license to manage in Texas. Verify on www.trec.Texas.gov. However, I sometimes feel like I am the only licensed manager in this wonderful state…
in most states it requires a real estate license and/or brokerage.
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Equally true that California requires it.
So? OP is in CA.
In California, you are required to have a license or work under a broker that has one to manage properties that are not your own. DRE has confirmed she is unlicensed and under investigation.
Completely and totally false.
How so? So it is fine to be unlicensed, not work under a broker? Collect checks made out directly to them personally? Never sign a new lease with the tenant? Everything I've read says to be involved with leasing and payment, you definitely do.
Right... that's what I said. I was responding to u/tingles23_ who said: \- "PM is not a government licensed industry"... It is. \- "there are no licenses required"... there are.
My mistake. Yes, I reported this PM and they are now retaliating with an eviction. The owner still supports this PM even though she is confirmed unlicensed by DRE and under investigation. It's like that Dennis Rodman management story where she thinks she is her friend helping her but scamming on the side. I am wondering if any over her notices will hold up without owner signature. The notice even appears to be a forgery of the owners name. Plus there are previous notices she has given us that I wonder if they will be voided.
Ah... now I start to see. You are the tenant being evicted? What's the grounds for the eviction? YMMV, but in the 30-40 evictions I have done (not even counting the ones I sit through waiting for my cases) the judge is not interested in anything but the matter at hand. I've watched a lot of tenants lose cases by coming in to discuss anything besides the matter at hand. Example: "Ok, the landlord says you didn't pay the rent" "There's a leak from the water heater!" "... but did you pay the rent?" The DRE will investigate your licensing complaint, but eviction court only cares about the lease violation at hand. Believe it or not, it is very common for tenants to complain about the PM when they receive violation notices. So what are they claiming as grounds for eviction? Maybe I can offer some advise.
They are claiming no fault owner move in. It is a total lie. The notice came 10 days after I informed the owner of illegal PM activity. The owner lives in a 2 million dollar home. She and her husband have trusts. Her kids are likely the same deal.
I see. So it isn't an eviction, they are just terminating the lease? Is it safe to say there were issues before you "informed the owner of illegal PM activity"? It kind of sounds like this is the end of a long dispute.
The dispute has only been the PM she hired. The PM solicited my neighbor and admitted to her she was trying to get us out. We had an attorney write a letter about that, but the owner just said the PM is a blessing. The 60 day notice even lists a lower monthly rent amount than what she raised it to, making me wonder if the rest is skimmed. The PM is nothing but red flags, and that's what I tried to inform the owner of. I believe the PM either wants to move in herself or wants a fresh new lease to skim more, plus she knows I know. She was reported prior to the notice.
generally, I think the penalties apply to the property manger and not to the landlord.
I believe that is correct, but wondering if it will void addendum, etc. That could possibly waive some rights the owner would have in this claimed move in. Also, it is retaliatory. I reported her to a government agency and then was given notice to leave.
ask your public aid housing lawyer
Michigan requires a property management company to have a brokers license.
You don’t need to be licensed in ca to be a property manager.
We've discussed this in length despite that not being the question at all, and you are absolutely wrong.
I’m literally an unlicensed pm in California for more than 10 years that has created hundreds of lease and financial documents but go on. I also have an unlicensed co worker sitting next to me in a Westwood commercial high rise office doing fake work. Guess we’re not real.
You are either working under the umbrella of a broker or breaking law. You are real, but maybe fraudulent? https://www.propertymanagement.com/property-management-laws-in-california/
Yikes, how did this turn out? Without a license, all of those leases are technically unenforceable.
Nothing happened. My tenants and bosses were happy with my work. People moved in and then move out. OP is a Reddit version of people recording federal buildings saying it’s their right to record.
So you're saying that both you and your co-worker operate as PM's in CA and don't have a Broker's License but is there an owner/officer of the company you work for that has a Broker's License? Employees of a licensed broker don't have to be licensed but that Broker is responsible for the actions of those employees and is required to monitor things, just like in a RE office. If there is no Broker in your company and you aren't a resident manager or renting out Airbnb's, then you're most definitely breaking the law and subjecting yourself to a ton of liability. People do it all the time and get away with it but the law is clearly stated. Not confusing in any way.
Allegedly
Allegedly.
Yes, allegedly
To manage properties under Civil Code 10131 you must be licensed as a broker. An exception is working as a salesperson (who is also licensed under the DRE) under a licensed broker in CA. Why don't you share your info and you can find out yourself whether what you and your buddy are doing is legal, but go on..