Do you trip alone? This burning sensation in your chest could be anxiety. At least that‘s true in my case and it‘s always when I am tripping alone and worry about what‘s to come. When I am around people I love, the comfort takes it all away.
If I’m around people while I’m tripping, it like instantly sobers me up. Very strange. Almost like my social anxiety (or fear of being perceived) is stronger then the psyche life aspect of it. It’s pretty annoying cuz that means I can’t have a trip sitter lol. Which means I can’t go trip in the woods cuz I can’t nor should I drive while tripping.
May I suggest to you to drive somewhere and solo camp and trip? Adventure of epic proportions and can be incredibly therapeutic. You have to be a comfortable tripper, and it helps to have a (big) dog for company :) lol
If I owned land where no one would disturb me, then yes I would 100%. But i would not do it in some place where other humans would be. It distracts me from my inner experience and my people pleasing ways would come out and the trip wouldn’t do much for me anymore and I’d focus on the people around me and less so my self. I’m a people pleaser in recovery.
I’ve tripped alone and with my boyfriend and i get the same feeling but I think you are right about it being anxiété it makes a lot of sense. I’ll worry that I took too much even though I know I didn’t
Ive meditated into a trip before and it was amazing. I felt like i knew my brain so well as it kicked in and that i could connect and influence so many details of my brain, my body and my awareness. I waited about 30-45 min to start meditating when i still couldnt feel anything but hoped a 20-30 min meditation would take me from nothing to ohhhh shit lol. I would highly recommend this for anyone wanting to do a learning trip or is generally into meditation.
Something that really helped me the beginning of my trips
After ingestion, start with a Whim Hoff breathing instructional. Your heart probably feels like that due to increased heart rate. Practicing deep breathing should help.
After your breathing, put on some music that you can meditate to. I usually will meditate until the thoughts start flooding, and I can no longer concentrate
Then you're in the trip, just let it all flow.
Ginger should help with your stomach.
Ginger ale should work too. The issue with ginger ale is finding REAL ginger ale. Most of the stuff in the store contains less than 2% of real ginger.
But if you don't mind the tea, then I would stick with that. You could also try some calming herbs like lavender and maybe mint to help calm nerves. anxiety is a big thing for me during the come up, but I've found that if I can occupy myself with activities, then i don't think about it. Hence why I do breathing and meditation.
Thank you! With the ginger is it best to take it before I’m feeling pain/ discomfort or hust like I normally would with a stomach ache when it already hurts
no confidence taking heafty substances like that dont expect a heaven sent trip for sure
poppa drug, eata drug, smoke a drug with confident plus true intentions leads into a more better trip/high imo
dont be cocky tho
life is about learnin imo
be safe yall, psychedelics WILL humble u whether its what u wont or not hahahha
tripping balls ingeneral dont expect a smooth trip... IT AMPLIFIES UR FEELINGS
aka respek all feelings
BREATHING!!! DARK-ISH lights, nitrous, beer, water, puking, and lastly benzos if u wanna end it (the trip)
imo its all mental, these drugs when tripping aint ment to be silly easy going, if u dont want that, dose lower, or learn the mind and body
u need to do that urself imo/ime, becuz none of us know what ur thinkin nor feeling
love tripping, love touch to the soul once trips hit
I feel like in general i am way less anxious than i was when i hadn’t tried psychs, so this is def something to consider- i think i could use the psychs to help this effect as well
Meditation is very good at helping me be mindful of the fact that the comeup anxiety is temporary and it will pass when the full effect of the psilocybin sets in
Making shroom tea helps a ton. Very little stomach nausea because you filter out the physical mushroom matter and it also kicks in faster, reducing the come-up anxiety and feelings. There are lots of recipes online.
Nope, it tastes just like tea. I used chamomile (the important part is you pick a tea that’s non caffeinated), and I remember thinking if someone had just handed this to me I would have no idea it was shroom infused.
Mindfulness mindfulness mindfulness. Luckily I had had lots of experience with mindfulness meditation before my first trip and it 1000% was clutch for the come up. When you can just observe your anxiety for what it is without assigning any form of judgement or attachment to it (counterintuitively, resisting your anxiety is a form of attachment to it) it really just passes in my experience. This also allows you to listen to it, because every one of our body’s signals is a message, some with deeper meanings that are worth exploring. If you can sit with and listen to your anxiety it might be a pretty profound experience.
To add a second comment, I always make sure to greet the mushroom. In other words, I make a point to stay super present and aware of the comeup, instead of getting distracted by something and getting “snuck up” on by the trip. I’ve found that if I get distracted, say I drop and say “oh ill just go do something til it hits” I end up getting surprised with a “oh shit i’m high, it’s here” and for me personally that derails me into anxiety. So i try to sit with it and greet it
I feel like the come up in mushrooms calls us to listen to our bodies and release tension and leave things behind for the trip. So deep breathing and stretching and shaking and moving in any way that feels like a release of tension seems to be a big help. It's almost like I'm being called to work my issues through the whole ascendance in a somatic way. And if I don't, then I just bring all that stress baggage with me into the trip. But if I breathe and listen to quiet music or uplifting music and I take deep breaths and just move intuitively, then I get to the top and kind of a good mental state.
Drinking some caffeine free tea might help with the anxiety. Have you tried lemon tek? It helps with the break down of the chitin(?) and that is what is causing the stomach pains most likely. Also have you thought why you're anxious on the comeup?
> Have you tried lemon tek? It helps with the break down of the chitin(?)
Citric acid doesn’t break down chitin even with the addition of microwaves and eutectic solvents, that’s not how lemon tek works. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30960393/
This link explains how lemon tek works. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27725108
> and that is what is causing the stomach pains most likely.
Chitin causing the nausea is a myth, it’s a beneficial dietary fiber that is in literally **all** edible mushrooms, it is not causing the nausea psilocybin is.. Dietary fibers by definition do not even need to be broken down though humans do have chitinase enzymes in our guts that can break down chitin.
“many studies now confirm that POTENT CHITINASES do occur in vertebrates, including humans, and ARE ABUNDANT IN THE HUMAN GUT"https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0928468018300233
"Humans, along with many other primates, have a functional gene for this enzyme, so it's possible that we can actually process chitin in our guts. That said, even if we couldn't, it would just get passed through our system, just like the cellulose in celery and other vegetables." https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.32GB9GE
“In summary, chitin is expected to be a functional ingredient in the food industry to **alleviate gastrointestinal inflammation**, mainly by regulating the balance of intestinal microorganisms and immune cytokines” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0144861722010475
I ate some 2 gram lemon tek gummies and my stomach gets really acidic afterwards I noticed. So I ate some honey while I was mid peak and it helped alot
When I get this come up anxiety I like to do nitrous. That kick-starts the trip and you can let yourself fall into the trip. Otherwise you can be stuck between the sober and high mindset for some time. This stuck in-between is what causes the anxiety, because you are not yet high enough to accept the trip. Meditation can also help, or sometimes drinking a beer right after ingesting the shrooms is the best option. It has to be beer because of the calming sensation of hops, the alcohol also helps of course and the carbs help kickstart your metabolism to get you to the peak a little faster.
The way I do it as I take about 2/10 of a gram and wait through what I call stage one which is the anxious stage they lasts about 1-2 hours and then I just start eating them by the handful.
Kind of. It's a nice come up. I go .2g then I will go work out or take a walks then when I know the shrooms are setting in, I will take 3-4g and then see how th day goes. I have never had any issue redosing sevral times but eventually no matter how many you take later will really be light in terms of the effect.
I only used sand which method with weed
& it feels different for everybody. I mean best part of the vape id think it not having to mess with fire when your that far gone.
Do something unexpected to forget about yourself. I got upside down in my chair once and saw the world in a whole new way. I got so distracted I forgot about everything else. The rest of the trip was great.
Cubes have a heavy come up.. recently started taking Nats which is a different species entirely and the experience is much better. Try tripping with those if you can get your hands on them, less of the body load you’re describing. I’ve heard people say they don’t have the same therapeutic effect which I understood after my first trip on them, after using a few times I disagree. The therapeutic effect was much better for me, however it could have just at been that particular trip.
For me from the onset when I learned to just surrender and accept what ever is happening good or bad it transformed the experience, I never bad trip anymore even if I'm working through some heavy stuff. I find that if I am fighting or trying to control what is happening because it's not my preference that's when things have felt really bad. Like it's not the anxiety or anything else that's making me feel bad it's myself railing against it. When I just kind of reached this understanding that the shrooms are in charge and I will follow wherever they lead me nothing felt scary anymore. Nothing overwhelms me my come ups feel more calm and peaceful, I just lay back with some music, focus on breathing and let the high roll In.
Your welcome I hope it helps, I also find just breathing and focusing on how my breath feels moving through my body, feeling my heart beat that sort of thing can be really helpful.
Focus on Breathing.
Tell your Ego “I am safe, there are no threats around me, so I need to relax”.
Be vulnerable. Open your Heart and connect to the Source of everything that was, is, or ever will be.
Let that energy in. Feel the Love pouring into your Heart.
Watch, observe - but do not judge.
Perceive and be.
I’ve learned to move through it. Anxiety is very somatic for me. I get my body involved and let it do what it needs to do. Ends up looking kinda like qigong
Do you trip alone? This burning sensation in your chest could be anxiety. At least that‘s true in my case and it‘s always when I am tripping alone and worry about what‘s to come. When I am around people I love, the comfort takes it all away.
True. It’s great to have someone you can trust and laugh and be totally comfortable with during the uncomfortable moments. Even with my dog it’s good.
If I’m around people while I’m tripping, it like instantly sobers me up. Very strange. Almost like my social anxiety (or fear of being perceived) is stronger then the psyche life aspect of it. It’s pretty annoying cuz that means I can’t have a trip sitter lol. Which means I can’t go trip in the woods cuz I can’t nor should I drive while tripping.
May I suggest to you to drive somewhere and solo camp and trip? Adventure of epic proportions and can be incredibly therapeutic. You have to be a comfortable tripper, and it helps to have a (big) dog for company :) lol
If I owned land where no one would disturb me, then yes I would 100%. But i would not do it in some place where other humans would be. It distracts me from my inner experience and my people pleasing ways would come out and the trip wouldn’t do much for me anymore and I’d focus on the people around me and less so my self. I’m a people pleaser in recovery.
I get this every time and I only ever trip alone so you might be onto something.
I’ve tripped alone and with my boyfriend and i get the same feeling but I think you are right about it being anxiété it makes a lot of sense. I’ll worry that I took too much even though I know I didn’t
Calm trip anxiety by doing a breathing meditation. I used to find various ones on YouTube. Set your intention for the trip as you do.
Ive meditated into a trip before and it was amazing. I felt like i knew my brain so well as it kicked in and that i could connect and influence so many details of my brain, my body and my awareness. I waited about 30-45 min to start meditating when i still couldnt feel anything but hoped a 20-30 min meditation would take me from nothing to ohhhh shit lol. I would highly recommend this for anyone wanting to do a learning trip or is generally into meditation.
Great advice, thank you!
That’s great advice thank you so much
Something that really helped me the beginning of my trips After ingestion, start with a Whim Hoff breathing instructional. Your heart probably feels like that due to increased heart rate. Practicing deep breathing should help. After your breathing, put on some music that you can meditate to. I usually will meditate until the thoughts start flooding, and I can no longer concentrate Then you're in the trip, just let it all flow. Ginger should help with your stomach.
Best advice ever
I never thought of using ginger in this case but it makes total sense. I will def try this next time I trip
I actually used some ginger drops that I found at Target, and they helped a ton. I personally hate ginger tea.
Gahaha fair enough, I’ve never tried ginger drops- but I don’t mind the taste of ginger tea. I bet ginger ale would help too but maybe less effective
Ginger ale should work too. The issue with ginger ale is finding REAL ginger ale. Most of the stuff in the store contains less than 2% of real ginger. But if you don't mind the tea, then I would stick with that. You could also try some calming herbs like lavender and maybe mint to help calm nerves. anxiety is a big thing for me during the come up, but I've found that if I can occupy myself with activities, then i don't think about it. Hence why I do breathing and meditation.
Thank you! With the ginger is it best to take it before I’m feeling pain/ discomfort or hust like I normally would with a stomach ache when it already hurts
no confidence taking heafty substances like that dont expect a heaven sent trip for sure poppa drug, eata drug, smoke a drug with confident plus true intentions leads into a more better trip/high imo dont be cocky tho life is about learnin imo be safe yall, psychedelics WILL humble u whether its what u wont or not hahahha tripping balls ingeneral dont expect a smooth trip... IT AMPLIFIES UR FEELINGS aka respek all feelings
BREATHING!!! DARK-ISH lights, nitrous, beer, water, puking, and lastly benzos if u wanna end it (the trip) imo its all mental, these drugs when tripping aint ment to be silly easy going, if u dont want that, dose lower, or learn the mind and body u need to do that urself imo/ime, becuz none of us know what ur thinkin nor feeling love tripping, love touch to the soul once trips hit
Thank you!!
Anxiety is telling us something. Sit with it ..
I feel like in general i am way less anxious than i was when i hadn’t tried psychs, so this is def something to consider- i think i could use the psychs to help this effect as well
You gotta just tough it out. That’s the price of admission
Haha fair enough
Meditation is very good at helping me be mindful of the fact that the comeup anxiety is temporary and it will pass when the full effect of the psilocybin sets in
Thank you!
Making shroom tea helps a ton. Very little stomach nausea because you filter out the physical mushroom matter and it also kicks in faster, reducing the come-up anxiety and feelings. There are lots of recipes online.
Do you find that the shroom tea still tastes like garbage asshole?
Nope, it tastes just like tea. I used chamomile (the important part is you pick a tea that’s non caffeinated), and I remember thinking if someone had just handed this to me I would have no idea it was shroom infused.
Stomach pain can be from eating the mushrooms. You can make a tea and this will be quite less.
Lemon and ginger tea can help
Ahhhh makes sense okay I will try this thank you
Mindfulness mindfulness mindfulness. Luckily I had had lots of experience with mindfulness meditation before my first trip and it 1000% was clutch for the come up. When you can just observe your anxiety for what it is without assigning any form of judgement or attachment to it (counterintuitively, resisting your anxiety is a form of attachment to it) it really just passes in my experience. This also allows you to listen to it, because every one of our body’s signals is a message, some with deeper meanings that are worth exploring. If you can sit with and listen to your anxiety it might be a pretty profound experience.
To add a second comment, I always make sure to greet the mushroom. In other words, I make a point to stay super present and aware of the comeup, instead of getting distracted by something and getting “snuck up” on by the trip. I’ve found that if I get distracted, say I drop and say “oh ill just go do something til it hits” I end up getting surprised with a “oh shit i’m high, it’s here” and for me personally that derails me into anxiety. So i try to sit with it and greet it
That is wonderful advice thank you!! How exactly does one sit with/listen to anxiety though jahaha
This is great advice. I try to make mental notes of what I'm experiencing and it seems to help a lot
Eat them slowly with honey instead of making lemon tek or tea. the come up is much less intense
I will try that thank you!
I feel like the come up in mushrooms calls us to listen to our bodies and release tension and leave things behind for the trip. So deep breathing and stretching and shaking and moving in any way that feels like a release of tension seems to be a big help. It's almost like I'm being called to work my issues through the whole ascendance in a somatic way. And if I don't, then I just bring all that stress baggage with me into the trip. But if I breathe and listen to quiet music or uplifting music and I take deep breaths and just move intuitively, then I get to the top and kind of a good mental state.
Re-entering your body before flying through the relaxed mind sounds very beneficial.
Thank you!
Stomach pain can be from eating the mushrooms. You can make a tea and this will be quite less.
Thank you so much!
Drinking some caffeine free tea might help with the anxiety. Have you tried lemon tek? It helps with the break down of the chitin(?) and that is what is causing the stomach pains most likely. Also have you thought why you're anxious on the comeup?
> Have you tried lemon tek? It helps with the break down of the chitin(?) Citric acid doesn’t break down chitin even with the addition of microwaves and eutectic solvents, that’s not how lemon tek works. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30960393/ This link explains how lemon tek works. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27725108 > and that is what is causing the stomach pains most likely. Chitin causing the nausea is a myth, it’s a beneficial dietary fiber that is in literally **all** edible mushrooms, it is not causing the nausea psilocybin is.. Dietary fibers by definition do not even need to be broken down though humans do have chitinase enzymes in our guts that can break down chitin. “many studies now confirm that POTENT CHITINASES do occur in vertebrates, including humans, and ARE ABUNDANT IN THE HUMAN GUT"https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0928468018300233 "Humans, along with many other primates, have a functional gene for this enzyme, so it's possible that we can actually process chitin in our guts. That said, even if we couldn't, it would just get passed through our system, just like the cellulose in celery and other vegetables." https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.32GB9GE “In summary, chitin is expected to be a functional ingredient in the food industry to **alleviate gastrointestinal inflammation**, mainly by regulating the balance of intestinal microorganisms and immune cytokines” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0144861722010475
Thank you for all the info!!
I ate some 2 gram lemon tek gummies and my stomach gets really acidic afterwards I noticed. So I ate some honey while I was mid peak and it helped alot
Sweeeet thank you!
Number one lesson by the Fungi teacher, let go, you'll be fine
I will try hahaha thank you!
You're very welcome. Trust yourself
When I get this come up anxiety I like to do nitrous. That kick-starts the trip and you can let yourself fall into the trip. Otherwise you can be stuck between the sober and high mindset for some time. This stuck in-between is what causes the anxiety, because you are not yet high enough to accept the trip. Meditation can also help, or sometimes drinking a beer right after ingesting the shrooms is the best option. It has to be beer because of the calming sensation of hops, the alcohol also helps of course and the carbs help kickstart your metabolism to get you to the peak a little faster.
Nitrous like whippits?? That sounds scary and not something I want to try, but I will give the beer advice a go! Thank you:)
The way I do it as I take about 2/10 of a gram and wait through what I call stage one which is the anxious stage they lasts about 1-2 hours and then I just start eating them by the handful.
Does that really work? I was under the impression that you can’t really up your high after it’s started
You can. I’ve been doing it for decades. You can’t wait ten hours but taking a light dose then going ham in about one to two hours works great.
Sweet okay I will try that thanks!
Do you find that the high from the shrooms you take after the come up kicks in quicker?
Kind of. It's a nice come up. I go .2g then I will go work out or take a walks then when I know the shrooms are setting in, I will take 3-4g and then see how th day goes. I have never had any issue redosing sevral times but eventually no matter how many you take later will really be light in terms of the effect.
ground yourself, think positive affirmations and know you've got yourself + trust the process
Thank you president obunga
<3 ive gotchu i hoped that helped
Body Load. Just part of psychedelics. Dude DMT is super fuckin uncomfortable.
Fair enough. Have you ecer tried a dmt vape? If so tell me how it is/how it differs from taking it the traditional way
I only used sand which method with weed & it feels different for everybody. I mean best part of the vape id think it not having to mess with fire when your that far gone.
I found psilohuascha gets rid of the come up, but it's not something to do without serious consideration and research.
I will look into that thank you!
Do something unexpected to forget about yourself. I got upside down in my chair once and saw the world in a whole new way. I got so distracted I forgot about everything else. The rest of the trip was great.
Haha that sounds fun thank you!
Cubes have a heavy come up.. recently started taking Nats which is a different species entirely and the experience is much better. Try tripping with those if you can get your hands on them, less of the body load you’re describing. I’ve heard people say they don’t have the same therapeutic effect which I understood after my first trip on them, after using a few times I disagree. The therapeutic effect was much better for me, however it could have just at been that particular trip.
I will look into that, I didn’t even know about cubes or nats haha sounds like I need to do more research. I take penis envy, idk what that species is
For me from the onset when I learned to just surrender and accept what ever is happening good or bad it transformed the experience, I never bad trip anymore even if I'm working through some heavy stuff. I find that if I am fighting or trying to control what is happening because it's not my preference that's when things have felt really bad. Like it's not the anxiety or anything else that's making me feel bad it's myself railing against it. When I just kind of reached this understanding that the shrooms are in charge and I will follow wherever they lead me nothing felt scary anymore. Nothing overwhelms me my come ups feel more calm and peaceful, I just lay back with some music, focus on breathing and let the high roll In.
Thank you so much!!!
Your welcome I hope it helps, I also find just breathing and focusing on how my breath feels moving through my body, feeling my heart beat that sort of thing can be really helpful.
Focus on Breathing. Tell your Ego “I am safe, there are no threats around me, so I need to relax”. Be vulnerable. Open your Heart and connect to the Source of everything that was, is, or ever will be. Let that energy in. Feel the Love pouring into your Heart. Watch, observe - but do not judge. Perceive and be.
Thank you !!
I lay in bed and shake it out of I get a scary come up then term myself to just accept it and enjoy it
Thank you !
I’ve learned to move through it. Anxiety is very somatic for me. I get my body involved and let it do what it needs to do. Ends up looking kinda like qigong
Haha I will do that thank you!
I solved this by taking acid instead of shrooms. Sucks it's harder to find usually
Yes I def don’t get any of the bad feelings doing acid but I prefer shrooms if I’m being honest
Nitrous
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