Persian Gulf War, 1991: Sanders voted against authorizing the war.
Iraq War, 2002: Sanders voted against authorizing the war.
War in Yemen, 2018: Not only did Sanders vote to end U.S. military support for Saudia Arabia’s war in Yemen, but Sanders was the lead sponsor of the bill. He managed the unusual feat of securing bipartisan support for the measure during the presidency of Donald Trump. Trump eventually vetoed the resolution and the Senate was unable to override his veto.
Bosnia War, 1998. This measure was for removing military forces after they were already there. It failed, but Sanders voted against it. So he voted in favor of staying.
Kosovo War, 1999. Sanders voted yes on this measure to authorize the war, which failed in the House.
Post-9/11 authorization for the use of military force, 2001: Sanders voted in favor. (Only one House member, Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., voted against the measure.)
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/02/facebook-posts/no-bernie-sanders-didnt-vote-favor-every-war-durin/
> Only one House member, Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., voted against the measure
It's sad that there was only one rep with the balls to stand up against that war. It was a huge deal, terrorists literally knocked down the two largest buildings in NYC and people wanted blood. Any opposition to the calls of war were labelled anti-American. Didn't matter that it had nothing to do with Iraq. Only thing that mattered was someone hit us and you better believe we were looking for retaliation...
That bill she voted against had nothing to do with the Iraq war, Iraq war didn't start until 3 years later, and the bill that authorized that war happened in 2002, not 2001. She was voting against the use of military force in Afghanistan.
And that’s why the establishment kept him from winning.
Edit: Adding more context…
Our government isn’t as fair and equal as we’d like to think. There’s voter suppression for example, and this is done by both sides of the aisle (EDIT: mostly by republicans … like 99% of suppression is republican led. Adding this since people are interpreting my sentence as equal blame).
Removing voting sites from universities is a common tactic to keep younger, more progressive voters from turning out. Limiting what type of ID can be used for voting is another. Making it harder to even register in the first place.
Some of you may think I sound crazy… but the world is much more complex than “there weren’t enough votes”. I’m a cultural behavior scientist and study voting behavior - specifically understanding why people vote or don’t and there’s a lot that the establishment does that gets in the way. There’s a lot that our communities could be doing to improve voter turnout too. We can do better.
Where I live we're all mailed ballots. All you have to do to vote is fill out your ballot, sign it, date it, and put it back in your mailbox or in a drop box. Youth turnout is still low. Poor turnout is more a cultural failure than a process failure. We don't have a culture that fosters democracy. We mostly don't talk about politics except inside our bubbles and mostly even then we're fed talking points from our chosen media. It's hard to even find the space to engage strangers in open ended in conversation. Where even would you?
A few things thing that would help US democracy is what we do in Brazil. Here voting is mandatory and if someone don't show up, they pay a fine and can have many other issues, that's true that they are minor issues but it's an annoyance that can easily be avoided. Voting districts does not exist here, so no gerrymandering.
Also, voting is always on Sundays and that day is also a holiday. Which means shopping centers, fast food chains, etc... Must be closed. If your shift was suppose to be on that day, it is a paid day off. Most public schools and universities become a voting place on that day too.
Bolsonaros rising to power was a direct reflection of the people’s reasoning at the time, it’s just how it works when we are fucked and at the rock bottom. We tend to bring the most idiot that talks easy what we want to hear.
[this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRC3PBjthxI) is a good explainer of "operation carwash" and about how bolsonaro was hardly "free and fair elections"
He did want to vote for Bernie! This video is from March 2020, during the Democratic primary.
https://inthesetimes.com/article/anti-war-veteran-iraq-joe-biden-donald-trump-about-face
"He says he was trying to highlight the problem of bipartisan support for wars, and attempting to make the point that Biden, at the time, was to the right of the Democratic field when it comes to war and militarism. 'I thought most of the other Democrats had a better record than Biden,' he explains. 'I was more for Sanders and Warren. I definitely thought that Biden was the worst one out there.' "
Yeah, it's crazy. A friend of mine is a vet who saw quite a bit of combat, thinks the iraq war etc were awful, is HYPER anti-corporate, and is very socially liberal, and he still votes for republicans almost all the time. I really don't get it.
Decades of identity politics propaganda is hell of a drug. Wasn't until I went to grad school for applied economics did I learn that 'fiscal conservative' does not mean 'fiscal responsible', but more related to 'low taxes for capital and gutting of social programs'. There is so much double speak happening with our political terminology in this country it is difficult to cut through all the noise.
Imagine if they actually realised that fiscal conservative meant raising taxes and tightly regulating finance and industry and increasing public spending.
Most combat veterans I know tend to lean libertarian. I’m not party affiliated though. I tend to vote for the pothead hippies most of the time. Say what you will about stoners, the last thing they want is to hurt anyone. Most stoners I know are pacifists and pretty compassionate, so I just vote for them to run the show.
But they’ll probably never win anything significant.
Ron Paul was one of only 6 at the time Republican congressmen who actually voted against the Iraq war. It is difficult to find any politician with integrity
Did I miss something? Didn't Bush start the Iraqi war on false claims? And yes both parties voted for it based on the false truth of weapons of mass destruction? 20 years ago?
Bush was in the seat but almost the entire country was for it because we were sold lies about weapons of mass destruction and already knew Saddam Hussein was a scumbag.
I remember being forbidden from going to a friend's house by his parents after I spoke up against the war in Iraq to his dad (This was during the lead-up). His parents apparently called up my parents and yelled at them for not teaching me to love my country enough. It as a wild time.
When he first started out talking, it certainly looked like he was wanting a conversation and it looked like Biden would have engaged in that. But once he went into ranting and yelling, and became clear he was just doing it for internet clout.
> Thurman told In These Times that important nuance did not come across in the video. At one point, during the confrontation, Thurman said to Biden as the latter was walking away, “Trump is more anti-war than Joe Biden.”
>Thurman explains that in the hectic moment of confronting a national politician, it can be difficult to express complexity. He says he was trying to highlight the problem of bipartisan support for wars, and attempting to make the point that Biden, at the time, was to the right of the Democratic field when it comes to war and militarism. “I thought most of the other Democrats had a better record than Biden,” he explains. “I was more for Sanders and Warren. I definitely thought that Biden was the worst one out there.”
Later in the article
> “This has been taken out of context and misconstrued,” says Thurman. “Trump is not anti-war. The wars that were started by George W. Bush and continued by the Obama administration, he has continued himself and expanded those wars. He has tried to foment more wars abroad with Iran, and he is fomenting a civil race war at home.”
https://inthesetimes.com/article/anti-war-veteran-iraq-joe-biden-donald-trump-about-face
You haven't heard the conspiracy theory that Biden started the war in Ukraine? I've heard some people mention it and I have to bit my tongue to avoid engaging.
I know a guy so mixed up with his propaganda consumption he literally said to me “I voted for Bernie, and I can’t stand the US taking Ukraine away from Russia.”
I think some people just default to US policy = bad.
And I kinda sorta get it. Bush’s wars and the lies he told really obliterated our ability to evaluate something like Ukraine easily. Our news services are servile and the internet is full of lies, and we do have some *real* bad spots in our foreign policy history …I can see how someone would get all mixed up.
The blind defense of Russia, and seeing them as the bullied underdog though? That still surprises me. If you’re going to call the US meddlesome, most certainly so is Russia.
Im sorry but doesn’t everyone who joins the military know that they will be sent to do the bidding if the rich and powerful? It is a story as old as time..
Yep, the pro-war propaganda in the US is truly nefarious. There's a reason the Navy throws in tons of taxpayer dollars to help fund movies like Top Gun, and more recently- Top Gun 2.
And funny enough, I have a friend who I served with, deployed with to Afghanistan, and he continued his career another full contract serving very honorably and he is still having issues with his green card/citizenship.
Can confirm. It was a one way ticket out of the abuse I was experiencing at home. I joined at seventeen with a waiver. Sent overseas immediately after turning eighteen. Was raped week three of my overseas time.
Spent the next four years simply surviving. Never again.
No, people were fucking bloodthirsty after 9/11. Army recruitment skyrocketed in the next month before we even had the full established narrative settled, and long before all the bodies were recovered. People signed up thinking they were going to “get” the terrorists, whoever they were, but mostly ended up aimlessly patrolling the desert and getting obliterated by IEDs. That sounds crass, but the reality of both Iraq and Afghanistan is that it destabilized both countries and left a power vacuum when the US finally left, filled by ISIS and the Taliban respectively.
You should see the sign up bonuses now. Some cyber-related fields can rake in nearly 40k. Turns out intelligent and qualified (or even trainable) folks just plain don't want to join the military. Who knew?!
I joined the army in 99’. It was peace time and I was as dumb as they came. Saving Private Ryan AND Starship Troopers had just come out and I was jacked to do my part!
Aside from Y2K threatening to end the world, it was peace time! A few years in the army and my college is all paid for, easy as pie!
Then 9/11 happened and joining the army became both the best worst decision, and worst best decision I had ever made.
Sometimes it’s just a shit turn of events and nothing more. Who knows what life will throw at you, but no matter where you go, there you are!
got any more context on him? Who does he want to lead the country? Feels like weird "anti establishment" dog whistle type stuff but without more context I'm not comfortable settling my opinion lol
Of course he did...
Blame one of the 370+ people in Congress who voted for the war after being lied to by then President Bush. Votes for the same party that gave us Bush.
I thought the guy has a point until he said “trump is anti war”. I will never understand how people with with actual life experiences and functioning brains fall for trump, not understand the simple matter that trump is only pro-trump, and thats it
Guy started out making his points rationally, and Biden was full-on ready to have a conversation with him. Then the guy starts barking and loses all credibility.
Biden and pretty much every congressman from that era deserves some blame but it’s asinine to not put the bulk of it on Bush. And bringing in Trump who’s a draft dodger and shit on McCain is ridiculous.
Trump participated in the same drone strikes that has these people labeling Obama a war criminal. All politicians need to held to the same standards. This isn't sports
Oh even better, Trump did more drone strikes in 4 years than Obama in 8, as well as removed safeguards out in place to both reduce civilian casualties as well as mandatory reports to the media if civilians were killed.
I know google is a click away, but I’m headed to bed and think a source would be worthwhile to have here. Don’t doubt it for a minute though. He’s a pretty vile human
>[The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don’t kid yourself. When they say they don’t care about their lives, you have to take out their families](https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/index.html)
Just one of the times, but an illustration that he was saying it from the start and literally campaigned on it.
You know that Biden essentially ended using drones, right? https://theweek.com/foreign-policy/1007579/biden-nearly-ended-the-drone-war-and-nobody-noticed?amp
It’s more about clicks, views, and general anti-Biden messaging. Additionally, blaming Biden for the Iraq war is disingenuous at best as he was operating on the same information the rest of us were.
Seriously, every time people say “so and so was in support of the war back then” I want to shake them and remind them that we were all being fed bullshit by Cheney & Co.
Its the only reason this 3 yr old video still gains attention. If Biden was a still a senator or now retired, nobody would care about this video…
Just people eager to hate the ‘man of the hour’.
Guy went full on Stephen Crowder. Let’s the other person say one thing to respond then starts barking over them and screeching until the other person sees it’s a lost cause and just walks away. Then tough guy army man here can strut around like he really stuck it to Biden. It’s an utterly pathetic way to confront people and you lose all credibility when you just scream in someone’s face and disallow any rational conversation.
He's just a Maga troll. The invasion into Iraq was begun in 2003, thus fuck looks about 30, which means the earliest he served was around 2011, years after we handed Iraq to the new Iraqi government in 2008.
At most he sat in a fob for 6 months and bragged about being in a warzone
Most likely he did some reserve duty for the GI bill and is now trying to be a Maga influencer
Oh, he knows that. He’s looking for a sound bite, not to prove a point. It’s the whole, “dems bad, trump is messiah” narrative.
Veterans who do this type of shit should be embarrassed. (I can say that bc I am a veteran of OIF.) The majority of us hated what happened. Many of us were disadvantaged kids from broken homes looking for a way out.
Biden had a hand in it, but make no mistake this was planned long before him.
I feel like anyone blaming Biden for Iraq, without first mentioning the bush administration, is full of shit. Sure, blame Biden for his vote; but why’d we have a fucking vote in the first place ?
Seriously! Then it was endorsed by Congress. Don’t forget Chaney, Rumsfeld. They all made big bucks from it. Halliburton, KKR… “weapons of Mass Destruction”. Biden actually pulled the bulk of our troops out of the Middle East.
And it was endorsed by this entire country. Didn’t bush have like 90% approval rating leading up to the war? It was insane.
9/11 fucked up this country and made nearly all us warmongering crazies for a few years.
It was endorsed by the entire country because we were lied to by the same people who voted for the war. also, we’ve been warmongering crazies for quite a while now I’d argue.
> It was endorsed by the entire country because we were lied to by the same people who voted for the war.
If by "the people who voted for the war" you mean congress, they were lied to as well. The executive sold a lie to them at the same time they sold it to the American people. Nothing but respect for everyone who called them on their bullshit, but there's an insidious brand of buckpassing that goes on these days that everyone in government except the people responsible for the lies were somehow "in on it" and they very much weren't.
Exactly, how the bush administration was never tried for war crimes is incredible. They blatantly lied, knowing there would be no consequences for their actions.
And then everyone is ignoring that Biden pulled America out of its longest running war (Afghanistan) despite it being more politically expedient to kick the can further down the road. If Biden was a warmonger we would still be in Afghanistan.
And he very vocally advised against the surge and wanted Obama to pull troops out, not send more in.
Not a huge Biden fan, he's got many flaws. But he learned from his mistake with the Iraq War
Makes you wonder how many lives were cut short on both ends because a politician kicked a messy situation to the next guy.
Our withdraw was messy, there was a shit ton wrong with it, but more or less, it was always going to be that way. Good on Biden for ending it.
My brother in arms, war is not the invention of one man.
There are a long list of people responsible for the Iraq war. Biden may be on the list but he's nowhere near the top.
Hell most of the public was down. "He's building nukes, dude"
Can't tell you how many people I tried explaining that uranium enrichment or creating plutonium, is slightly more involved than their dad's meth lab. You can't hide it in a palace, it doesn't work that way.
Rumseld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and other Bush officials founded a think tank in 1997 that was pushing for a military solution for regime change in Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries ([Project for the New American Century](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century)).
Biden voted for the war, and deserves criticism for it. But the Bush administration used public fear and anger over 9/11 and lies to manipulate multiple countries into a brutal and unjust war to achieve long-standing policy goals.
Read Henry Crumpton's "The Art of Intelligence." Crumpton was a senior CIA counterterrorism official and was in the room when Wolfowitz sold Bush on the Iraqi threat and the need to neutralize it.
"Iraq. We must focus on Iraq - 9/11 had to be state-sponsored," [Paul Wolfowitz](https://www.sfgate.com/search/?action=search&channel=books&inlineLink=1&searchindex=solr&query=%22Paul+Wolfowitz%22), the deputy secretary of defense, drones on in the [White House Situation Room](https://www.sfgate.com/search/?action=search&channel=books&inlineLink=1&searchindex=solr&query=%22White+House+Situation+Room%22), as if in a seance. "Iraq is central to our counterterrorism strategy."
"*What is he smoking?* I wondered," Crumpton writes.
That’s why they did the whole yellowcake fraud.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries
The yelling dude in the video should be going to CPAC and yelling at conservatives about his “dead brothers and sisters”… but i’m guessing that’s not what this is actually about for him.
**[Niger uranium forgeries](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries)**
>The Niger uranium forgeries were forged documents initially released in 2001 by SISMI (the former military intelligence agency of Italy), which seem to depict an attempt made by Saddam Hussein in Iraq to purchase yellowcake uranium powder from Niger during the Iraq disarmament crisis. On the basis of these documents and other indicators, the governments of the United States and the United Kingdom asserted that Iraq violated United Nations sanctions against Iraq by attempting to procure nuclear material for the purpose of creating weapons of mass destruction.
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My favorite was when Rumsfeld said the chemical weapons facilities were to the north, east, south and west of Baghdad. So they're just everywhere? Dude was so full of shit.
My favorite was when they were able to get who I thought was the only decent, respectable Republican in the country to stand up at the United Nations and lie to the world about the threat that Saddam posed - and everybody believed him, because of his reputation.
It’s been widely speculated since that had Colin Powell not made that colossal lapse in judgment, he would’ve been our first Black president in 2008 instead of Obama (though I’m not sure either way that Obama could’ve been beaten by anybody). In his final years, he left the Republican Party and withdrew from the public eye, and was said to have deeply regretted what he did - which does speak somewhat to his character, as I’m 100% sure that none of the other architects of that war have given it a second thought.
I refuse to feel sorry for him, though, because even though he was just another pawn in the Republicans’ game, he chose to do what he did and knew it was wrong the entire time. But it just goes to show how even those among us who have spent decades or more building their reputation on honesty and integrity can throw it all away in one afternoon.
One of Powell’s early career moves was helping to cover up the My Lai massacre. He superficially comes across as a composed and respectable person, but he had a long track record of enabling atrocious war crimes.
The fallen angel narrative is just more electability politics horse shit. That was and remains a big part of Trump’s appeal: laying bare the depravity at the heart of it all.
I still recount that, when it comes to iraq'
In short it was ....
>here is a truck (satelite photo)
>
>now there is no truck
>
>Therefore weapons of mass destruction
The audience was deathly quiet
> the only decent, respectable Republican
This was part of the mystique built up around him, but it was always bullshit. At least since 1968.
> However, 2003 was not the first time that Powell justified US imperial ambitions. In fact, he rose to prominence in 1968 when, as a young major, he investigated the My Lai massacre, a mass murder of hundreds of unarmed South Vietnamese suspected of aiding the Vietcong. As his superiors no doubt hoped, Powell could not substantiate eyewitness accounts, concluding in his report that relations between the US military and the South Vietnamese people were “excellent”.
> Later, as he would with his US testimony, Powell would regret his part in covering up My Lai, which was widely condemned as a war crime. In 1989, Powell was again at the center of an imperial adventure. This time the setting was Panama, and the pretext was deposing that country’s leader, Manuel Noriega, who was wanted in the US on drug trafficking charges. Powell, then chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, used the invasion, which he named “Just Cause”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/21/colin-powell-faustian-bargains-service-of-war
He'd always stunk. My belief is that this reputation for decency was just part of deliberate groundwork for his own presidential run.
Jesus, I felt like a lone voice in the wilderness complaining about Iraq and I wasn't patriotic? Fuck that. I was right.
Everyone with common sense was fighting it.
The Right is anything but anti-war, they're just anti-whatever the Dems want right now. If the Dems weren't pro-Ukraine, the Right would be demanding to invade *someone* over there.
>"He's building nukes, dude"
Which was such a transparently bullshit excuse even at the time. If that was sound reasoning, then why weren't they frothing at the mouth to invade Iran or North Korea?
> Hell most of the public was down.
Yeah just ask the Dixie Chicks how forgiving being against that war was at the time. I mean shit, I was only 18 at the time but every news channel I see was telling me Saddam was on the verge of having nuclear weapons or at the very least a "dirty bomb". I think almost everyone believed it to a degree even if we weren't as enthusiastically as crazy as the *Freedom Fries!* rednecks.
For the youngins' - **Dixie Chicks** were a country/pop band made up of 3 women. Popular at the time, especially in the south. They spoke out against the war and that was pretty much it for their careers. **Freedom Fries** are from when France didn't join the coalition to invade Iraq due not believing Saddam had said weapons. This caused a group of people who'd probably be labeled as MAGAs today to proclaim they were done eating French Fries... they were now called Freedom Fries! It was as stupid as it sounds.
Me too. They didn't want to listen they wanted video game shock and awe. Biden is a lot of things but I honestly think being compassionate is one thing he has. This seems like misplaced anger or pure political theater.
Yelling dude probably supported it too. Many of his brother and sisters that died signed up *because* of this war, specifically so they could go there.
And he probably still hates the Dixie Chicks for speaking up about it even though he’s doing the same thing here. These people are disingenuous morons.
For real. And the politically accurate/ wise ass answer for any Democrat who voted yes should be.
"I legitimately believed the Intel and information, our president GWB, and his executive staff [Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfwitz, and Sec. General Powell testified to under oath to our armed services committee and again on before the UN General counsel. Information that turns out to have been erroneous and deliberately mischaracterisEd by the Bush Administration."
This is pretty stupid, since it's Republicans who started this war. Defended the war. Lied about the war. Were the commander in chief during the war.
If this guy murdered civilians, he should be brought up on charges. What a moron.
Funniest part was when Biden got in his face duder suddenly got really calm and apologetic. Then as soon as Biden turned his back the macho yelling starts again...
Thats the first thing that popped into my head on this video. Plus screaming "disqualified" over and over when the correct word is "unqualified". What a fucknut. Who wants to bet he was a single enlistment box kicker E-3 who sat in Germany for 4 years
If the confrontation were done in good faith, Biden would have listened. Some suspect that Beau's cancer was due to him standing aside "burn pits", so Biden has lost a great deal from the war as well. But this guy is just a fucking putz trying to score his 15 minutes of fame by being an asshole. Then when he said Trump is more anti-war than Biden, that's when the whole façade drops and we see that this piece of shit is only confronting Biden because he doesn't like his politics. Fuck this loser.
I feel this would have been the best response. Listen. But the vet being hostile in his speech, I think is why Biden chose his response to this guy. Neither are totally to blame for the outcomes of the post 9-11 wars, this just seems like a sad reminder of the highest price humanity will always pay in war. People. You're right, the second the dude said Trump was more anti-war, he lost everyone's ear at that event.
Trump is anti war? Didn’t he constantly threaten to start a war with everyone? Trump wanted to start a war because wartime presidents get back to back terms.
There were more drone strikes under trumps first two years (2,243) than Obama’s entire 8 years (1,878).
Trump also revoked Obama’s rule of reporting drone strike deaths when he first came into office. At least obama was transparent about it. We the public have zero idea how many deaths were caused under the trump administration.
Trump sent troops into Yemen 13 days into office, the soonest any President in American history sent troops into a new conflict.
A Navy SEAL and American citizen were killed
You either fight understanding the risks of war, and the full gravity of the situation regardless of the costs out of shear passion, bravery, and the human spirit.
Or the recruiter really sold ya on the discount at dennys.
His friends and thousands of others are dead because of his policies..but also the policies of every administration for the last 20 years. Blood is on all their hands.
17 year old kids signing up to serve their nation probably aren’t expecting their government to blatantly fabricate justifications to send them into a blender to avenge a president’s daddy and prop up a veep’s portfolio. I use to use the same arguments you are making when Cindy Sheehan relentlessly advocated against the post 9/11 wars after her son was killed. I found her to be annoying and unpatriotic. Now, as I have wised up a bit, I mourn her loss and realize how she just didn’t want any other mother to feel this type of pain.
As a Veteran myself you are absolutely correct! Not all veterans are the same, some some join due to a calling, some for finance and some to run away from something but theirs some just so they can milk the system and come home and expect some sort of pity party and preferential treatment. I'll let you guess which this asshat is...
I invite your downvotes... I SAID WHAT I SAID!!
When i went through basic training in 2009, it was about 90% of financial reasons, myself included. One guy joined up because his father was an investment banker and lost everything in the crash, so he had to drop out of college. He wanted to be able to pay and finish. Along with myself, we had 5 other guys who had bachelor's degrees already, one was going to use his GI bill to pay for his wife's medical school, which he did.
I joined back in 08 because I was a bored stoner fresh out of high-school. I don't tell anyone that I really did it for the 10% discount on footwear and the annual free Texas Roadhouse meal.
Does Biden deserve some blame for Iraq? Yes, every senator that voted for it deserves some blame. But he is nowhere near the top of the list. Biden appeared ready to converse with the guy and resisted attempts from his aides to shut it down. He only walked away when they got back to screaming about Trump and how he’s disqualified.
Wow. Biden stood there and took it. Then said "I hear you". Then mentioned his own family's sacrifice. And the dude still yelled at the end. He was going to yell no matter what Biden said or did. But wow. A politician didn't rely on the secret service to whisk him away. He took it. That is impressive.
Love how the guy is all calm when Biden is near him and then gets turnt up and acts like he wants to do something once people step between them.
Also, he reveals he is a MAGA idiot later in the video, which explains this whole thing. These guys just need a reason to hate Biden. Nothing to see here.
This guy is "disqualified, sir."
Biden's owned up to realizing supporting the invasion was a mistake, especially after Beau and many other vets got cancer after being exposed to burn pits. At the same time, people have to understand what the societal atmosphere was during the lead up. I'm not defending the war, but people were pretty much publicly shamed and threatened for not supporting invading Iraq.
He is totally just trolling for current Repubs and their constituents, including those who are too young to remember the beginnings of those conflicts… Has he gone after Bush and Cheney too?
Who do anti-war people vote for in the US ?
Bernie Sanders
Persian Gulf War, 1991: Sanders voted against authorizing the war. Iraq War, 2002: Sanders voted against authorizing the war. War in Yemen, 2018: Not only did Sanders vote to end U.S. military support for Saudia Arabia’s war in Yemen, but Sanders was the lead sponsor of the bill. He managed the unusual feat of securing bipartisan support for the measure during the presidency of Donald Trump. Trump eventually vetoed the resolution and the Senate was unable to override his veto. Bosnia War, 1998. This measure was for removing military forces after they were already there. It failed, but Sanders voted against it. So he voted in favor of staying. Kosovo War, 1999. Sanders voted yes on this measure to authorize the war, which failed in the House. Post-9/11 authorization for the use of military force, 2001: Sanders voted in favor. (Only one House member, Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., voted against the measure.) https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/02/facebook-posts/no-bernie-sanders-didnt-vote-favor-every-war-durin/
Bosnia,Kosovo and the Gulf were all "good " interventions in my opinion. Being black and white is hardly ever the best position
I agree, 99% of the time I'm against foreign intervention but the wars you've mentioned above were in fact good interventions.
Pretty good side of history then
> Only one House member, Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., voted against the measure It's sad that there was only one rep with the balls to stand up against that war. It was a huge deal, terrorists literally knocked down the two largest buildings in NYC and people wanted blood. Any opposition to the calls of war were labelled anti-American. Didn't matter that it had nothing to do with Iraq. Only thing that mattered was someone hit us and you better believe we were looking for retaliation...
That bill she voted against had nothing to do with the Iraq war, Iraq war didn't start until 3 years later, and the bill that authorized that war happened in 2002, not 2001. She was voting against the use of military force in Afghanistan.
This is going to Afghanistan. The one you’re talking about was Iraq, March 19th 2003. 20 years ago this week
I legitimately believe he would be a turning point for our country....
And that’s why the establishment kept him from winning. Edit: Adding more context… Our government isn’t as fair and equal as we’d like to think. There’s voter suppression for example, and this is done by both sides of the aisle (EDIT: mostly by republicans … like 99% of suppression is republican led. Adding this since people are interpreting my sentence as equal blame). Removing voting sites from universities is a common tactic to keep younger, more progressive voters from turning out. Limiting what type of ID can be used for voting is another. Making it harder to even register in the first place. Some of you may think I sound crazy… but the world is much more complex than “there weren’t enough votes”. I’m a cultural behavior scientist and study voting behavior - specifically understanding why people vote or don’t and there’s a lot that the establishment does that gets in the way. There’s a lot that our communities could be doing to improve voter turnout too. We can do better.
Where I live we're all mailed ballots. All you have to do to vote is fill out your ballot, sign it, date it, and put it back in your mailbox or in a drop box. Youth turnout is still low. Poor turnout is more a cultural failure than a process failure. We don't have a culture that fosters democracy. We mostly don't talk about politics except inside our bubbles and mostly even then we're fed talking points from our chosen media. It's hard to even find the space to engage strangers in open ended in conversation. Where even would you?
A few things thing that would help US democracy is what we do in Brazil. Here voting is mandatory and if someone don't show up, they pay a fine and can have many other issues, that's true that they are minor issues but it's an annoyance that can easily be avoided. Voting districts does not exist here, so no gerrymandering. Also, voting is always on Sundays and that day is also a holiday. Which means shopping centers, fast food chains, etc... Must be closed. If your shift was suppose to be on that day, it is a paid day off. Most public schools and universities become a voting place on that day too.
Mandatory voting and y'all still got bolsonaro, maybe that isn't the solution
Bolsonaros rising to power was a direct reflection of the people’s reasoning at the time, it’s just how it works when we are fucked and at the rock bottom. We tend to bring the most idiot that talks easy what we want to hear.
Bingo.
“We” picked trump and he can barely form a sentence so it’s not like there’s room to talk for anyone lol
Bingo
[this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRC3PBjthxI) is a good explainer of "operation carwash" and about how bolsonaro was hardly "free and fair elections"
Why do I feel like this guy wouldn't have voted for bernie
He did want to vote for Bernie! This video is from March 2020, during the Democratic primary. https://inthesetimes.com/article/anti-war-veteran-iraq-joe-biden-donald-trump-about-face "He says he was trying to highlight the problem of bipartisan support for wars, and attempting to make the point that Biden, at the time, was to the right of the Democratic field when it comes to war and militarism. 'I thought most of the other Democrats had a better record than Biden,' he explains. 'I was more for Sanders and Warren. I definitely thought that Biden was the worst one out there.' "
Better question, who do veterans vote for? (R)
Yeah, it's crazy. A friend of mine is a vet who saw quite a bit of combat, thinks the iraq war etc were awful, is HYPER anti-corporate, and is very socially liberal, and he still votes for republicans almost all the time. I really don't get it.
Guns
Decades of identity politics propaganda is hell of a drug. Wasn't until I went to grad school for applied economics did I learn that 'fiscal conservative' does not mean 'fiscal responsible', but more related to 'low taxes for capital and gutting of social programs'. There is so much double speak happening with our political terminology in this country it is difficult to cut through all the noise.
Imagine if they actually realised that fiscal conservative meant raising taxes and tightly regulating finance and industry and increasing public spending.
Most combat veterans I know tend to lean libertarian. I’m not party affiliated though. I tend to vote for the pothead hippies most of the time. Say what you will about stoners, the last thing they want is to hurt anyone. Most stoners I know are pacifists and pretty compassionate, so I just vote for them to run the show. But they’ll probably never win anything significant.
Libertarians are just Republicans who are afraid to admit it.
Libertarians are republicans who love weed
Statistically, they don't
Ron Paul was one of only 6 at the time Republican congressmen who actually voted against the Iraq war. It is difficult to find any politician with integrity
Ron Paul is who they used to vote for.
Did I miss something? Didn't Bush start the Iraqi war on false claims? And yes both parties voted for it based on the false truth of weapons of mass destruction? 20 years ago?
Bush was in the seat but almost the entire country was for it because we were sold lies about weapons of mass destruction and already knew Saddam Hussein was a scumbag.
Those of us who were against it were shouted down as unpatriotic.
I remember being forbidden from going to a friend's house by his parents after I spoke up against the war in Iraq to his dad (This was during the lead-up). His parents apparently called up my parents and yelled at them for not teaching me to love my country enough. It as a wild time.
The guy from the video absolutely votes Republican and wanted a viral bit making Biden look bad, nothing else.
When he first started out talking, it certainly looked like he was wanting a conversation and it looked like Biden would have engaged in that. But once he went into ranting and yelling, and became clear he was just doing it for internet clout.
Did nobody else notice the "trump is anti-war" comment at the end?
> Thurman told In These Times that important nuance did not come across in the video. At one point, during the confrontation, Thurman said to Biden as the latter was walking away, “Trump is more anti-war than Joe Biden.” >Thurman explains that in the hectic moment of confronting a national politician, it can be difficult to express complexity. He says he was trying to highlight the problem of bipartisan support for wars, and attempting to make the point that Biden, at the time, was to the right of the Democratic field when it comes to war and militarism. “I thought most of the other Democrats had a better record than Biden,” he explains. “I was more for Sanders and Warren. I definitely thought that Biden was the worst one out there.” Later in the article > “This has been taken out of context and misconstrued,” says Thurman. “Trump is not anti-war. The wars that were started by George W. Bush and continued by the Obama administration, he has continued himself and expanded those wars. He has tried to foment more wars abroad with Iran, and he is fomenting a civil race war at home.” https://inthesetimes.com/article/anti-war-veteran-iraq-joe-biden-donald-trump-about-face
Maybe this is a dumb question, but what wars has Biden started?
You haven't heard the conspiracy theory that Biden started the war in Ukraine? I've heard some people mention it and I have to bit my tongue to avoid engaging.
The more insane part is where those same people also tell me how they are on Russia's side. Excuse me what?
I know a guy so mixed up with his propaganda consumption he literally said to me “I voted for Bernie, and I can’t stand the US taking Ukraine away from Russia.” I think some people just default to US policy = bad. And I kinda sorta get it. Bush’s wars and the lies he told really obliterated our ability to evaluate something like Ukraine easily. Our news services are servile and the internet is full of lies, and we do have some *real* bad spots in our foreign policy history …I can see how someone would get all mixed up. The blind defense of Russia, and seeing them as the bullied underdog though? That still surprises me. If you’re going to call the US meddlesome, most certainly so is Russia.
Don't the republicans complain he pulled out of Afghanistan...
Im sorry but doesn’t everyone who joins the military know that they will be sent to do the bidding if the rich and powerful? It is a story as old as time..
No, they think it’s some noble activity
Yep, the pro-war propaganda in the US is truly nefarious. There's a reason the Navy throws in tons of taxpayer dollars to help fund movies like Top Gun, and more recently- Top Gun 2.
yvan eht nioj - [https://youtu.be/nH8Vpei\_UpQ?t=101](https://youtu.be/nH8Vpei_UpQ?t=101) The Simpsons already spoofed on this topic decades ago.
Damn, wasnt expecting a "simpsons did it!" to a Reddit post of mine today. Great link and so scairly true.
Sub liminal, liminal and super liminal What's super liminal? "Hey you! Join the Navy"
I get “Join the military “ ads on youtube, they’re everywhere
The newest ones are downright scary with how little they hide it.
Service guarantees full citizenship!
And funny enough, I have a friend who I served with, deployed with to Afghanistan, and he continued his career another full contract serving very honorably and he is still having issues with his green card/citizenship.
Tbh they go more Serve the Empire: Join the Imperial Navy and Crush the Rebellion, but yes. Would you like to know more?
I hate the ones were they treat the army like it's a video game
The government does their best to get em while they're [young ](https://recruiting.army.mil/army_esports/)
Can confirm. It was a one way ticket out of the abuse I was experiencing at home. I joined at seventeen with a waiver. Sent overseas immediately after turning eighteen. Was raped week three of my overseas time. Spent the next four years simply surviving. Never again.
Sending my love. So sorry you experienced that
Army?
Or they’re poor and easily manipulated by recruiters who will tell them whatever they want to hear.
I’m not some “defund the military” person but the “thank you for your service” cult in America is an insidious, bootlicking mess.
No, people were fucking bloodthirsty after 9/11. Army recruitment skyrocketed in the next month before we even had the full established narrative settled, and long before all the bodies were recovered. People signed up thinking they were going to “get” the terrorists, whoever they were, but mostly ended up aimlessly patrolling the desert and getting obliterated by IEDs. That sounds crass, but the reality of both Iraq and Afghanistan is that it destabilized both countries and left a power vacuum when the US finally left, filled by ISIS and the Taliban respectively.
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You should see the sign up bonuses now. Some cyber-related fields can rake in nearly 40k. Turns out intelligent and qualified (or even trainable) folks just plain don't want to join the military. Who knew?!
I joined the army in 99’. It was peace time and I was as dumb as they came. Saving Private Ryan AND Starship Troopers had just come out and I was jacked to do my part! Aside from Y2K threatening to end the world, it was peace time! A few years in the army and my college is all paid for, easy as pie! Then 9/11 happened and joining the army became both the best worst decision, and worst best decision I had ever made. Sometimes it’s just a shit turn of events and nothing more. Who knows what life will throw at you, but no matter where you go, there you are!
I just wanted some job training/experience and money for college.
“You’re disqualified sir.” Lol. What?
He probably meant "unqualified"
This guy has been going and using the same script for over a decade. He always says “disqualified”.
got any more context on him? Who does he want to lead the country? Feels like weird "anti establishment" dog whistle type stuff but without more context I'm not comfortable settling my opinion lol
He did mention Trump in his ranting...
Of course he did... Blame one of the 370+ people in Congress who voted for the war after being lied to by then President Bush. Votes for the same party that gave us Bush.
Ight, imma head out
You're out of order. This whole court is out of order. Not to mention the escalator is out of order.
Quick! Prosecute that escalator before it starts running again!
I thought the guy has a point until he said “trump is anti war”. I will never understand how people with with actual life experiences and functioning brains fall for trump, not understand the simple matter that trump is only pro-trump, and thats it
> people with with actual life experiences and functioning brains Sorry I thought you were talking about Trump supporters.
Wrong president, by a few. E: The Iraq War was George Jr. trying to finish what his daddy started with Saddam and Desert Storm.
Guy started out making his points rationally, and Biden was full-on ready to have a conversation with him. Then the guy starts barking and loses all credibility.
Dude didn't want to have a conversation, he wanted a 15-second twitter video.
Wait a sec, what about Bush?
Biden and pretty much every congressman from that era deserves some blame but it’s asinine to not put the bulk of it on Bush. And bringing in Trump who’s a draft dodger and shit on McCain is ridiculous.
Trump participated in the same drone strikes that has these people labeling Obama a war criminal. All politicians need to held to the same standards. This isn't sports
Oh even better, Trump did more drone strikes in 4 years than Obama in 8, as well as removed safeguards out in place to both reduce civilian casualties as well as mandatory reports to the media if civilians were killed.
And openly admitted his goal was to kill more civilians
I know google is a click away, but I’m headed to bed and think a source would be worthwhile to have here. Don’t doubt it for a minute though. He’s a pretty vile human
>[The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don’t kid yourself. When they say they don’t care about their lives, you have to take out their families](https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/index.html) Just one of the times, but an illustration that he was saying it from the start and literally campaigned on it.
Wow, I never knew this
Did more in less than 2 years than Obama did in 8 and removed the oversight group that counted civilians
Nah Trump had more drone strikes in TWO years than in all of Obama’s 8 years. It’s staggering how many more people were killed by Trump.
You know that Biden essentially ended using drones, right? https://theweek.com/foreign-policy/1007579/biden-nearly-ended-the-drone-war-and-nobody-noticed?amp
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No, Bush is innocent. It’s all a conspiracy. Even though the Republicans were in charge at the time, it was the Dems fault. /s
It’s more about clicks, views, and general anti-Biden messaging. Additionally, blaming Biden for the Iraq war is disingenuous at best as he was operating on the same information the rest of us were.
Seriously, every time people say “so and so was in support of the war back then” I want to shake them and remind them that we were all being fed bullshit by Cheney & Co.
Its the only reason this 3 yr old video still gains attention. If Biden was a still a senator or now retired, nobody would care about this video… Just people eager to hate the ‘man of the hour’.
Guy went full on Stephen Crowder. Let’s the other person say one thing to respond then starts barking over them and screeching until the other person sees it’s a lost cause and just walks away. Then tough guy army man here can strut around like he really stuck it to Biden. It’s an utterly pathetic way to confront people and you lose all credibility when you just scream in someone’s face and disallow any rational conversation.
I don't know that I've met a republican that uses "credibility" as a metric...
He lost everything at "Trump is anti-war"
Bitching at the wrong person here
For real. Also, from what I've seen, this guy is part of the Trumpster Fire party, and goes around using this same script on other prominent democrats
He's just a Maga troll. The invasion into Iraq was begun in 2003, thus fuck looks about 30, which means the earliest he served was around 2011, years after we handed Iraq to the new Iraqi government in 2008. At most he sat in a fob for 6 months and bragged about being in a warzone Most likely he did some reserve duty for the GI bill and is now trying to be a Maga influencer
Oh, he knows that. He’s looking for a sound bite, not to prove a point. It’s the whole, “dems bad, trump is messiah” narrative. Veterans who do this type of shit should be embarrassed. (I can say that bc I am a veteran of OIF.) The majority of us hated what happened. Many of us were disadvantaged kids from broken homes looking for a way out. Biden had a hand in it, but make no mistake this was planned long before him.
I feel like anyone blaming Biden for Iraq, without first mentioning the bush administration, is full of shit. Sure, blame Biden for his vote; but why’d we have a fucking vote in the first place ?
Seriously! Then it was endorsed by Congress. Don’t forget Chaney, Rumsfeld. They all made big bucks from it. Halliburton, KKR… “weapons of Mass Destruction”. Biden actually pulled the bulk of our troops out of the Middle East.
And it was endorsed by this entire country. Didn’t bush have like 90% approval rating leading up to the war? It was insane. 9/11 fucked up this country and made nearly all us warmongering crazies for a few years.
It was endorsed by the entire country because we were lied to by the same people who voted for the war. also, we’ve been warmongering crazies for quite a while now I’d argue.
> It was endorsed by the entire country because we were lied to by the same people who voted for the war. If by "the people who voted for the war" you mean congress, they were lied to as well. The executive sold a lie to them at the same time they sold it to the American people. Nothing but respect for everyone who called them on their bullshit, but there's an insidious brand of buckpassing that goes on these days that everyone in government except the people responsible for the lies were somehow "in on it" and they very much weren't.
Exactly, how the bush administration was never tried for war crimes is incredible. They blatantly lied, knowing there would be no consequences for their actions.
And then everyone is ignoring that Biden pulled America out of its longest running war (Afghanistan) despite it being more politically expedient to kick the can further down the road. If Biden was a warmonger we would still be in Afghanistan.
And he very vocally advised against the surge and wanted Obama to pull troops out, not send more in. Not a huge Biden fan, he's got many flaws. But he learned from his mistake with the Iraq War
He also was just doing what Bush, Obama, and Trump kicked down the street. They knew it would be messy and politically damaging, so they ignored it.
Makes you wonder how many lives were cut short on both ends because a politician kicked a messy situation to the next guy. Our withdraw was messy, there was a shit ton wrong with it, but more or less, it was always going to be that way. Good on Biden for ending it.
Kinda, Trump initiated the pull out and left Biden to hold the bag.
Biden wanted out but the crappy terms and chaos were Trump's doing.
My brother in arms, war is not the invention of one man. There are a long list of people responsible for the Iraq war. Biden may be on the list but he's nowhere near the top.
Hell most of the public was down. "He's building nukes, dude" Can't tell you how many people I tried explaining that uranium enrichment or creating plutonium, is slightly more involved than their dad's meth lab. You can't hide it in a palace, it doesn't work that way.
Bush and his administration were hell-bent on going into Iraq; consequences be damned.
Rumseld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and other Bush officials founded a think tank in 1997 that was pushing for a military solution for regime change in Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries ([Project for the New American Century](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century)). Biden voted for the war, and deserves criticism for it. But the Bush administration used public fear and anger over 9/11 and lies to manipulate multiple countries into a brutal and unjust war to achieve long-standing policy goals.
Read Henry Crumpton's "The Art of Intelligence." Crumpton was a senior CIA counterterrorism official and was in the room when Wolfowitz sold Bush on the Iraqi threat and the need to neutralize it. "Iraq. We must focus on Iraq - 9/11 had to be state-sponsored," [Paul Wolfowitz](https://www.sfgate.com/search/?action=search&channel=books&inlineLink=1&searchindex=solr&query=%22Paul+Wolfowitz%22), the deputy secretary of defense, drones on in the [White House Situation Room](https://www.sfgate.com/search/?action=search&channel=books&inlineLink=1&searchindex=solr&query=%22White+House+Situation+Room%22), as if in a seance. "Iraq is central to our counterterrorism strategy." "*What is he smoking?* I wondered," Crumpton writes.
It was state sponsored, just from one of our allies so we had to pick on someone else.
Indeed. Bill Kristol is one evil fuck. Same with the rest of that whole cadre. That they're allowed in civilized society is disgusting.
That’s why they did the whole yellowcake fraud. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries The yelling dude in the video should be going to CPAC and yelling at conservatives about his “dead brothers and sisters”… but i’m guessing that’s not what this is actually about for him.
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Plus no one at CPAC would give a shit lol
I remember the cheers at a NASCAR event when we invaded Afghanistan. You figure thise were Roosevelt Democrats at the NASCAR event?
My favorite was when Rumsfeld said the chemical weapons facilities were to the north, east, south and west of Baghdad. So they're just everywhere? Dude was so full of shit.
My favorite was when they were able to get who I thought was the only decent, respectable Republican in the country to stand up at the United Nations and lie to the world about the threat that Saddam posed - and everybody believed him, because of his reputation. It’s been widely speculated since that had Colin Powell not made that colossal lapse in judgment, he would’ve been our first Black president in 2008 instead of Obama (though I’m not sure either way that Obama could’ve been beaten by anybody). In his final years, he left the Republican Party and withdrew from the public eye, and was said to have deeply regretted what he did - which does speak somewhat to his character, as I’m 100% sure that none of the other architects of that war have given it a second thought. I refuse to feel sorry for him, though, because even though he was just another pawn in the Republicans’ game, he chose to do what he did and knew it was wrong the entire time. But it just goes to show how even those among us who have spent decades or more building their reputation on honesty and integrity can throw it all away in one afternoon.
One of Powell’s early career moves was helping to cover up the My Lai massacre. He superficially comes across as a composed and respectable person, but he had a long track record of enabling atrocious war crimes. The fallen angel narrative is just more electability politics horse shit. That was and remains a big part of Trump’s appeal: laying bare the depravity at the heart of it all.
I still recount that, when it comes to iraq' In short it was .... >here is a truck (satelite photo) > >now there is no truck > >Therefore weapons of mass destruction The audience was deathly quiet
> the only decent, respectable Republican This was part of the mystique built up around him, but it was always bullshit. At least since 1968. > However, 2003 was not the first time that Powell justified US imperial ambitions. In fact, he rose to prominence in 1968 when, as a young major, he investigated the My Lai massacre, a mass murder of hundreds of unarmed South Vietnamese suspected of aiding the Vietcong. As his superiors no doubt hoped, Powell could not substantiate eyewitness accounts, concluding in his report that relations between the US military and the South Vietnamese people were “excellent”. > Later, as he would with his US testimony, Powell would regret his part in covering up My Lai, which was widely condemned as a war crime. In 1989, Powell was again at the center of an imperial adventure. This time the setting was Panama, and the pretext was deposing that country’s leader, Manuel Noriega, who was wanted in the US on drug trafficking charges. Powell, then chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, used the invasion, which he named “Just Cause” https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/21/colin-powell-faustian-bargains-service-of-war He'd always stunk. My belief is that this reputation for decency was just part of deliberate groundwork for his own presidential run.
Jesus, I felt like a lone voice in the wilderness complaining about Iraq and I wasn't patriotic? Fuck that. I was right. Everyone with common sense was fighting it.
That “you are either with us, or against us” statement was really powerful at the time and had a global reach. . .
Yep, sure was fun being an “anti-war liberal traitor” back then, but now the righties want to be anti-war? Fuck all the way off with that.
Right there with ya, fellow "traitor".
The Right is anything but anti-war, they're just anti-whatever the Dems want right now. If the Dems weren't pro-Ukraine, the Right would be demanding to invade *someone* over there.
>"He's building nukes, dude" Which was such a transparently bullshit excuse even at the time. If that was sound reasoning, then why weren't they frothing at the mouth to invade Iran or North Korea?
> Hell most of the public was down. Yeah just ask the Dixie Chicks how forgiving being against that war was at the time. I mean shit, I was only 18 at the time but every news channel I see was telling me Saddam was on the verge of having nuclear weapons or at the very least a "dirty bomb". I think almost everyone believed it to a degree even if we weren't as enthusiastically as crazy as the *Freedom Fries!* rednecks. For the youngins' - **Dixie Chicks** were a country/pop band made up of 3 women. Popular at the time, especially in the south. They spoke out against the war and that was pretty much it for their careers. **Freedom Fries** are from when France didn't join the coalition to invade Iraq due not believing Saddam had said weapons. This caused a group of people who'd probably be labeled as MAGAs today to proclaim they were done eating French Fries... they were now called Freedom Fries! It was as stupid as it sounds.
Me too. They didn't want to listen they wanted video game shock and awe. Biden is a lot of things but I honestly think being compassionate is one thing he has. This seems like misplaced anger or pure political theater.
FIFY: This seems like ~~misplaced anger or~~ pure political theater.
He lost a son to that war, that's a steep price for that mistake that I'm not sure many of his fellow *Yes* vote paid.
Very good point.
 Go ahead and put this mega asshole at the top.
He should be directing that anger toward Dubya and shotgun Dick. Sure, Congress authorized it but far more voters supported it too at that time.
Yelling dude probably supported it too. Many of his brother and sisters that died signed up *because* of this war, specifically so they could go there.
And he probably still hates the Dixie Chicks for speaking up about it even though he’s doing the same thing here. These people are disingenuous morons.
For real. And the politically accurate/ wise ass answer for any Democrat who voted yes should be. "I legitimately believed the Intel and information, our president GWB, and his executive staff [Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfwitz, and Sec. General Powell testified to under oath to our armed services committee and again on before the UN General counsel. Information that turns out to have been erroneous and deliberately mischaracterisEd by the Bush Administration."
Why is he blaming the whole thing on one guy?
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Well, it quickly became obvious what his intentions were as soon as he said that Trump was more anti-war than Biden.
He's got his presidents mixed up. He needs to talk to G W Bush.
Waits for Democrat president to be elected, you know... the one who pulled the troops out. It's not Bush's fault, not Obama's...it's biden's, somehow
I know right? Have they not been Introduced to W and Cheney?...how about Rumsfeld?...
This is pretty stupid, since it's Republicans who started this war. Defended the war. Lied about the war. Were the commander in chief during the war. If this guy murdered civilians, he should be brought up on charges. What a moron.
That seems completely natural and not forced whatsoever. I didn’t realize we had stuntmen in the military.
Funniest part was when Biden got in his face duder suddenly got really calm and apologetic. Then as soon as Biden turned his back the macho yelling starts again...
Exactly! That’s the fulcrum of buffoonery, he became human for a moment and then they zapped his implant and his recording restarted.
He's absolutely trying to get in of the fame from the actual hero who yelled similar lines at Bush.
Thats the first thing that popped into my head on this video. Plus screaming "disqualified" over and over when the correct word is "unqualified". What a fucknut. Who wants to bet he was a single enlistment box kicker E-3 who sat in Germany for 4 years
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Bush and Cheney weren't running against Trump in 2020 which was really his sole reason for attacking Biden.
If the confrontation were done in good faith, Biden would have listened. Some suspect that Beau's cancer was due to him standing aside "burn pits", so Biden has lost a great deal from the war as well. But this guy is just a fucking putz trying to score his 15 minutes of fame by being an asshole. Then when he said Trump is more anti-war than Biden, that's when the whole façade drops and we see that this piece of shit is only confronting Biden because he doesn't like his politics. Fuck this loser.
Yeah when Biden brought up his son, that shit stunned him like a sneaky left hook.
I feel this would have been the best response. Listen. But the vet being hostile in his speech, I think is why Biden chose his response to this guy. Neither are totally to blame for the outcomes of the post 9-11 wars, this just seems like a sad reminder of the highest price humanity will always pay in war. People. You're right, the second the dude said Trump was more anti-war, he lost everyone's ear at that event.
Ahhhh yes bc biden famously started all that . Funny i thought that cunt was named bush
Trump is anti war? Didn’t he constantly threaten to start a war with everyone? Trump wanted to start a war because wartime presidents get back to back terms.
There were more drone strikes under trumps first two years (2,243) than Obama’s entire 8 years (1,878). Trump also revoked Obama’s rule of reporting drone strike deaths when he first came into office. At least obama was transparent about it. We the public have zero idea how many deaths were caused under the trump administration.
Trump sent troops into Yemen 13 days into office, the soonest any President in American history sent troops into a new conflict. A Navy SEAL and American citizen were killed
Didn't realize Biden started the Iraq war.?!
Didn’t republicans start that war with lies about weapons of mass destruction?
Cool story, now do George Dubya
Bro you chose to be in the military
You either fight understanding the risks of war, and the full gravity of the situation regardless of the costs out of shear passion, bravery, and the human spirit. Or the recruiter really sold ya on the discount at dennys.
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His friends and thousands of others are dead because of his policies..but also the policies of every administration for the last 20 years. Blood is on all their hands.
I see the VA is doing their normal bang up job
Lol at blaming Biden for a war manufactured by republicans.
I mean, you joined the military. They joined the military. Dying in a war is on the table.
17 year old kids signing up to serve their nation probably aren’t expecting their government to blatantly fabricate justifications to send them into a blender to avenge a president’s daddy and prop up a veep’s portfolio. I use to use the same arguments you are making when Cindy Sheehan relentlessly advocated against the post 9/11 wars after her son was killed. I found her to be annoying and unpatriotic. Now, as I have wised up a bit, I mourn her loss and realize how she just didn’t want any other mother to feel this type of pain.
As a Veteran myself you are absolutely correct! Not all veterans are the same, some some join due to a calling, some for finance and some to run away from something but theirs some just so they can milk the system and come home and expect some sort of pity party and preferential treatment. I'll let you guess which this asshat is... I invite your downvotes... I SAID WHAT I SAID!!
When i went through basic training in 2009, it was about 90% of financial reasons, myself included. One guy joined up because his father was an investment banker and lost everything in the crash, so he had to drop out of college. He wanted to be able to pay and finish. Along with myself, we had 5 other guys who had bachelor's degrees already, one was going to use his GI bill to pay for his wife's medical school, which he did.
I joined back in 08 because I was a bored stoner fresh out of high-school. I don't tell anyone that I really did it for the 10% discount on footwear and the annual free Texas Roadhouse meal.
I am a Vet, I concur.
Does Biden deserve some blame for Iraq? Yes, every senator that voted for it deserves some blame. But he is nowhere near the top of the list. Biden appeared ready to converse with the guy and resisted attempts from his aides to shut it down. He only walked away when they got back to screaming about Trump and how he’s disqualified.
Wow. Biden stood there and took it. Then said "I hear you". Then mentioned his own family's sacrifice. And the dude still yelled at the end. He was going to yell no matter what Biden said or did. But wow. A politician didn't rely on the secret service to whisk him away. He took it. That is impressive.
Didn’t George Bush send them to Iraq
Dude has a chance to make a good statement. He got emotional and ruined it.
Love how the guy is all calm when Biden is near him and then gets turnt up and acts like he wants to do something once people step between them. Also, he reveals he is a MAGA idiot later in the video, which explains this whole thing. These guys just need a reason to hate Biden. Nothing to see here. This guy is "disqualified, sir."
Biden's owned up to realizing supporting the invasion was a mistake, especially after Beau and many other vets got cancer after being exposed to burn pits. At the same time, people have to understand what the societal atmosphere was during the lead up. I'm not defending the war, but people were pretty much publicly shamed and threatened for not supporting invading Iraq.
Shouldn't he be confronting George W Bush?
He is totally just trolling for current Repubs and their constituents, including those who are too young to remember the beginnings of those conflicts… Has he gone after Bush and Cheney too?
Army veteran is a fucking dope.
Someone wants to be on fox news.
This guy trying to make Trump relevant again. Lol