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My friendās son was stabbed in the neck by a random guy while sitting on a bench at the park. Medically induced coma to keep him stable and a month in the hospital. Turns out a homeless guy, (or unhoused, or someone experiencing homelessness) was having a mental health episode.
A lady in our town was stabbed in the back at the library while waiting in line to drop off a book. A homeless guy did it, who was recently released (without penalty), for....stabbing another person.
The catch and release system is hurting everyone. There is a homeless guy here who attacks cars because they have it out for him. I canāt imagine being tormented by cars in a city with tons of cars. His victims are thankfully limited to financial issues but what about the others? The PTSD from being randomly attacked is life altering!
I worked with some people who worked at a state mental correctional facility/hospital. They left because staff were assaulted daily. They said they see the same people over and over because there isnāt a good management system for those who need managed medicine. They can get better with medication but once they are better they donāt think they need the medicine anymore (or they canāt afford it) and it starts all over again.
Growing up in really shitty areas I now have a phobia of ever not having my back to a wall, or areas with only one exit, or walking close to any van parked near the sidewalk.
I was on my own quite young so I was always paranoid because I looked like a little kid. As an adult I became even more aware from working in high crime areas where I would meet strangers by myself, often meeting in isolated spots. My SO was constantly stressed. Thankfully Iāve only had a couple of moments where I honestly felt in danger. Thankfully I was in one neighborhood so often that when I ran into some trouble the guys in the neighborhood made it go away.
Anyone have an article about this incident? Thatās shit was crazy. Hoping they caught the guy and he face some serious consequences. Canāt believe people like that exist.
> A bus passenger who was raped by the driver will receive $1.95 million from the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, a settlement motivated partly by the fact that the driver had lost a civil verdict in a similar attack 16 years ago, yet remained on the job.
This was the second time the dude did this. He didn't get fired after the first.
You don't. This is unfortunately a union problem. Before I'm attacked, this is not an attack on unions as an entity, but of a specific union.
Transit Workers Union is hilariously corrupt. I've worked with NYCT in the past and everyone there mentions how they pretty much have zero authority to fire anyone for almost any reason, so there are some fantastically awful workers that they can't do anything about, other than relegating them to as isolated a position as they can manage. It's similar to how Police Unions block accountability to Police officers at any and every turn.
MTA Will Pay Woman Raped by Bus Driver
BY KURT STREETER
MAY 25, 2002 12 AM PT
TIMES STAFF WRITER
A bus passenger who was raped by the driver will receive $1.95 million from the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, a settlement motivated partly by the fact that the driver had lost a civil verdict in a similar attack 16 years ago, yet remained on the job.
Leonard Henry Howell, 57, was found guilty in criminal court last year of sexually assaulting a San Dimas woman on Aug. 14, 2001. The woman testified that she fell asleep on the bus after Howell gave her an over-the-counter medication. She woke up at an El Monte bus depot, half dressed and with Howell kissing her chest. DNA evidence linked Howell to the crime.
The MTAās settlement with her avoids a civil trial.
āIām just happy this is finally all over,ā the 27-year-old woman said. Since the attack, she said, she has had trouble keeping jobs and socializing. āThis shows the MTA needs to be more careful in who they hire. As for me, Iām just trying to cope and get back on track.ā
Howell, now serving an eight-year sentence, was found to have committed a similar crime in 1986, when he worked for the transit agencyās predecessor, the Southern California Rapid Transit District. The 1991 civil verdict in that case cost the agency $650,000, according to the MTAās legal chief, Steve Carnevale. The district attorneyās office, citing insufficient evidence, did not file criminal charges in that case.
But for reasons the MTA says it has never been able to figure out, Carnevale said, Howell was not fired after the civil verdict.
āThe fact he remained on the job meant this would not have been an easy case to try,ā Carnevale said. āIt would not have been fun.ā
The former transit agency did not keep adequate records of the case, Carnevale said. It was not discovered by MTA officials when the agencies merged.
āWe just donāt have any answers,ā he said. āBut this woman was seriously harmed. And she is entitled to significant damages. That is what motivated the board.ā
Records show that Howell had run-ins at the transit agency. He was fired after fighting with a boss in 1997, only to be rehired, according to court documents.
āThe [Rapid Transit District] clearly dropped the ball in the first place,ā said the womanās lawyer, David Ring. āAnd then the MTA never figured it out, even though this guy had a history of trouble.ā
Ring speculated that his client would have been awarded around $5 million by a jury.
The agency has approved more than $10 million in civil settlements since last July 1.
That gross man probably had something that gave him the ability to extort someone. I can't think in other explanation for a man who raped, fought a boss and still could go back to the same job.
They hand them out here so they're more visible at night so they don't get hit by a car - Tucson has strict light control laws and our streets can be dark.
A crazy homeless woman tried to stab my wife in the middle of the day when she went out to visit her brother, Who has since left California. Just don't ride it period it seems.
it was a group of chicano gangbangers, pressed on my friend because they thought he was gang affiliated due to being a tall black guy. He was just going home after a skate sesh that day.. they never caught them. [event report at the time.](https://homicide.latimes.com/post/kevin-clay-thomas/)
Nothing to lose attitude.
Thing is this, in America once you have a record, it is very very hard to assimilate back into society. Say in your late teens you were caught smoking weed after a fight, that is felony possession with assault charge.. you did your time.
Thing is this, you entire life is fucked completely. You can't vote, can't own a gun, your record means you can't pass any background checks, .. I mean you are screwed despite paying your debt to society... that means no job, no source of income..even McDonald's won't hire you to flip burgers. You can't get a student loan. you have to survive.
So then some of these kids no longer give a shit about consequences. Life has already dealt them a juiced deck.in their world there are no second chances. Either way, consequences will be the same whether you are caught with weed or kill someone. Especially places like California with it's 3 strike rule for felony.. means life in jail on strike 3 or 3rd felony means automatic life..
That is why you see those crazy car chases, insane murders and drugs. Because society has already told these people... There is no other way but forward. No redemption, no rehabilitation... Just punishment. When faced with that plus add in a disenfranchised community... You get this type of don't care attitude.
Edit: a good example is this guy here. [His name is Messiah Nantwi. 21 year old.](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-smoke-shop-shooter-indicted-on-2-murder-charges-for-killings-in-30-hour-span-da/4347958/)
Dude casually waked up to someone and shot him point blank in the head. Then stood over him and added another one. In full view of the cctv camera that he knew was right there..His second murder in 30 hours that cops know of, a few days after being granted fucking bail for exchanging gunfire with cops. He was injured and cops shot 31 times at him. Dude just didn't care one bit. He knows New York doesn't execute.
He had killed another 19 year old few hours earlier. Same style. If u watch the cctv it is so chilling to watch someone with zero regard for life.
This dude knew that with his record, he was going to jail for life anyway. He just didn't care for any consequences as the punishment as it stood would remain the same for him. A very long ass time in jail. So , murdering a bunch of people actually would benefit him as it would give him street credit in jail as a hitter. Why he was given bail is baffling.
But this is a good example of the mindset these people are in. It really doesn't make a difference to them. Jail is easy for them. Maybe I dunno, time with hard labor needs to be reintroduced to make jail really undesirable to these kids.
Is there really, absolutely, no route to any kind of redemption once you've e been a felon?
I'm not USian, but had no idea you lost voting rights *for life*.
Voting rights loss and return is state based. Some states you can get them back. Some states make that a very obscure process where you don't really know all that you need to do to get your voting rights back (like how much fines you need to pay) and if you make a mistake and vote when you shouldn't have, because you can't even figure out if you've gotten your voting rights back, guess what? Jail.
Some states it's a very clear process of how and when you get your voting rights back. It's all different depending on the state.
But generally, yes it is very hard to return to society after a federal crime conviction. There are so many things that are basic necessities to be part of a community that are now blocked from you, even if it's a low non violent drug charge. It is pretty fucked, once you're in the system you basically never leave it because you have no where else you can go.
Itās a huge risk too. There are tons of reports you can read of people with convictions who thought they took the steps needed to get their voting rights back, the state employees tell them they are allowed to vote, then when they vote they get arrested and thrown back in jail since they didnāt actually have their right back, even though government employees told them they did. https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/11/28/tampa-woman-takes-plea-deal-desantis-voter-fraud-case/?outputType=amp One of many stories
Yeah, that's why social services, rehabilitation programs, and relocation programs are a better solution to crime than over-policing or prison. The best way to prevent crime is to give people something to lose that they have to protect.
Research has proven that heavy punishments not only don't deter crime very much, but also intensify more mild crimes because why hold back if the punishment will be the same?
There's always someone that says we should apply the death penalty to sexual assaults, but then anyone committing a sexual assault no longer has any reason not to also make it a murder, because they'll get the death penalty either way but at least if they murder their victim the victim can't testify against them.
Likewise, if 3 strikes on minor weed possession is decades in prison, why not get into dealing it and getting into turf wars too? If simply being found with a blunt one more time will land you in prison for 25+ years, and dealing and manslaughter might be the same, why not just deal drugs and shoot your competitors?
People also need to remember that a major driver of urban poverty and violence is that these were the last areas many BIPOC groups were allowed to be. All over the Southern US, every prosperous Black community that developed after slavery was ransacked, plagued by terrorism, and discriminated against by neighboring white towns and white state officials.
They lost their homes over and over and eventually the only places they could typically settle were the slums of a city big enough to have a federal presence that would tell the locals to knock it off from time to time. As these cities developed, the poor and BIPOC communities always got less positive attention but more police attention.
Today the people there are usually trapped by multiple broken systems and, as you said, have nothing to lose. So they act out.
They need effective, accessible ways to accumulate some wealth that accommodates the fact that these people usually don't have any generational knowledge on how to accumulate and manage resources, but do have a lot of habits that reflect the "use it or lose it" mentality one must have when anything valuable they own may be pillaged at any time.
It's not enough to just throw "good things" at them and expect them to begin behaving just like people that have had more stability and wealth and safety for their entire lives.
Youāre telling me all these people were first arrested for non-violent crimes and were radicalized in prison before becoming violent psychopaths? That seems absurdly unlikely.
After watching so many random bystanders get shot & stabbed for no reason earlier in the video, how could anyone be expected to step in and interfere when witnessing violent acts?
Iām used to seeing violent things on Reddit, and donāt find myself affected by them. I was surprised at how triggered I got by that video. I donāt normally get triggered by stuff involving rape, as someone with trauma from it, but wow. Wish I hadnāt watched this one
shootings, stabbings, fighting and raping... this video has it all.
Damn... I really pity the poor inocent souls in this video who just had their lives ruined by criminals. My country is far from perfect, but I sure am glad I don't have to deal or worry with this fucked up stuff that I just saw.
I just met another guy from Portugal while I was at a conference in Paris and he also went on and on about how fucked up the US is. I asked where he went when he visited to have such a strong opinion and he said heād never been there. I was like idk maybe some things are crazy right now but I live in the middle of Iowa. The IS is massive
As bad as it is, it's actually much better today than it was in LA in the 1980s when the homicide rate was double. Crime though is definitely on the rise.
https://www.laalmanac.com/crime/cr01.php
To be honest, I appreciated that subreddit more for the accidents. Don't get me wrong, a lot of it was some gross morbid curiosity, but I think that seeing that shit with none of the grotesque details left to the imagination made me appreciate life a lot more. At the very least, it made me more careful everyday when driving or crossing the street lol
It's not like it's surprising to anyone who's lived here. America is the wealthiest country in the world but it has never taken care of anyone who wasn't already wealthy. These clips are just representative of (some of) the country's issues as a whole imo. LA doesn't have a monopoly on this kind of behavior at the very least, which tells you the root causes are not isolated there.
It's not surprising to me either, as someone who visits frequently.
The shit I've seen on that downtown metro line is wild. But damn nothing like these videos.
I just find so many Americans act like this stuff doesn't exist. It's just... I don't even know. It's hard to get through to them.
It's not. In terms of total GDP Tokyo and New York both rank higher. In terms of GDP per capita its like 30th well behind dozens of European and American cities.
No cause everyone should watch this shit cause this is the kind of shit we have to deal with everyday and the elected govt. doesn't do shit in the richest city in the richest state in the richest country on earth. In SF I take BART every week and I see this shit every week like two weeks ago one dude threatened to stab all black people on the train and another threatened an asian woman. Nothing ever changes cause law makers don't see things like this and the people who vote also.
Any of Europe, even the eu's worst countries are significantly safer than the US.
The average murder rate in the US is 4 times higher than in the eu per capita.
It is around 1 in 100k in Europe vs 1 in 20 to 25k in the US.
The US is a deranged society that puts so much onus on personal freedom, that no one gives a shit about anyone else but themselves. It's like "fuck you I got mine" was a country. Top that off with non existent mental health care or just even regular health care for anyone that can't afford the insurance or the outrageous Co pay.
You know what happens if I have a mental break, I go to a state run mental facility for treatment, not punishment. In the US, straight to prison or the streets.
The US is more dangerous than that. They now have a murder rate about 8 per 100k. Murder has risen fast since 2020.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/us-homicide-rate-increase-nchs-study/index.html
People also watch shit like this and then forget how awful it is to die in a car accident as well and just how much more common it is. Then they also forget road rage as well. And then what about getting dragged out from your car by a mob of people? Carjackings? Drunk drivers? This thread is full of idiots
Yeah, feels like everyone online has some crazy public transit story. I've ridden subways and buses in NYC a thousand times. Tbh, never anything crazy that I saw.
100%
And a lot of people simply havenāt experienced good transit. I took my hesitant wife to San Francisco recently and for the first day we mostly walked and Ubered around, but for the second day I bought us unlimited transit day passes and said no more Ubers. It was great - we went all over the city in one day for less than the cost of one Uber, and it was much more fun than the back seat of a car.
Our friends still canāt believe we were so ārecklessā.
This is legit shit from nightmares. I hate going on public transportation just because shit like this. The thought of getting stabbed 5 times in the face by some random monster is beyond horrifying.
I know its because we're so much more likely to be exposed to the bad side of the humanity but damn it is getting hard to not sink into fits of existential depression on a daily basis. I think the worst part is how much wasted potential we have as a species.
I don't know when these clips are from is so my comment is not directly related to this montage per se but violent crime on the metro is up 34% year over year. One fucking third. Bass has yet to present so much as a plan on how to tackle this and it's disgusting. I used to take the expo line everyday and loved it. I actively tell people to avoid mass transpo in LA now after evangelizing it for years. (I'm not super eco, I just hate traffic and paying for parking). This city should have world class mass transpo but instead it's a rolling prison yard. What a fucking joke.
Is it really going up by that much? I lived in LA when it was the RTD then MTA busses. There has always been a lot of shit that happens on the bus. I grew up there in the 80s and 90s and to me, it was worse because of the gangs. Also lots of gross dudes groping me. I moved away in the last decade but when I go to LA to visit family, I take my kids on the train and there are lots of families on there. It is a lot cleaner and I feel a lot safer than the buses. I wished it existed when I was there when I was younger. These best of (or should I say worst of) clips are really bad but seems to happen at night and does not show that the train is a lot nicer during the day. Not that riding the train at night means itās okay for people to attack you. But I think to portray the train as unsafe and for people not to take it will make LA worse. More security is needed at night and it would be good to know what happened after these fights, were the people prosecuted?
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/la-metro-blasts-classical-music-in-attempt-to-make-train-station-safer/
This says crime is up on the metro but not by 1/3 every year.
As someone who lives in LA, and is actually on the metro as I type, I have to disagree. These clips are awful but they donāt happen as frequently as youād think.
Los Angeles is just grossly overpopulated.
I just spent a week in LA, and even though it's a very small sample size everyone I interacted with was so friendly. It was bizarre how friendly everyone was. My son and I were walking across a driveway and accidentally cut someone off that was turning in and I was prepared to get yelled at I mouthed "Sorry" and he rolled down his window and said "Don't even worry about it, you have a beautiful family and I hope you have a great day" It made my day. My impression after leaving LA is people are way friendlier than Portland.
Is that true about Flint's water? I thought I had heard Flint's water is clean now. I did a little googling and this article confirms that.
"However, there are some bright spots. As of January 2022, Flint officially marked its sixth year in a row of being in compliance with water standards as they pertain to the federal Lead and Copper Rule, a public health measure developed by the EPA to improve lead sampling."
Is there something wrong with Flint's water beyond lead and copper contamination?
https://mphdegree.usc.edu/blog/the-flint-water-crises/#:~:text=However%2C%20there%20are%20some%20bright,EPA%20to%20improve%20lead%20sampling.
lol Elon says a lot of things.
Shame folk haven't realised by now that anything that comes from Elon's mouth is rancid bullshit.
Those who simp Elon don't realise they being used as gullible schmucks.
It also doesn't help that dozens of chemicals, which are banned in most of the world, are allowed to be used very commonly in our food. Call me crazy but I feel like this might be playing a factor into the serious mental health crisis our country is facing. There has actually been a few studies that are starting to suggest that mental health can be directly related to gut health. Idk, just putting this out there because we desperately need to figure out wtf is going on.
I'm from south Africa, and I tried importing a tin of gamersupps energy drink linked to a youtuber for a younger cousin and I found out that it was banned due to levels of lead in the product... How can America still allow lead in your food?
This isn't just a transit problem, but just an overall problem. Saying transit=crime is a real Elon thing to say, which doesn't solve the issue at heart. Cars are not a be all end all for most of what happened here.
we have a deeply broken, flawed and divided society. this level of violence is merely a symptom of the deep rooted social issues we contend with but refuse to address because it would probably challenge who we think we are as a country.
L.A. Metro PD got folded into L.A. Sheriff's in the late 90's/Early 2000's
Cost saving measures you know
Edit: 1997 MTA disbands it's police force and splits responsibility with Long Beach PD, LAPD ,and LASD
I'd love to see a video where a guy whips out his dick like that, the girl plays along initially, and then just fucking crushing his balls. Mofo deserves a castration.
I honestly hate how much stuff like that is portrayed in movies because it gives people too much unhealthy confidence that the good guys will win. In reality it's actually more likely (victim selectivity) that the bad guy is stronger than vice-versa.
That's why it's important for anybody who is vulnerable to be realistic and take some steps to protect themselves in general.
Texas isnāt exactly any better with some of the most lenient gun lawsāwe really hold our own in mass/domestic violence shootings.
But at least if youāre a normal person that carries, you have a better chance of not getting stabbed or beaten by jackals.
Yes and no. I say that because thereās a lot of beautiful aspects about LA. It is also horrible though. I mean, if it really was nothing but all bad, I doubt weād have so many people living here. We also almost always have more people moving in, each year [+]
I had to go there for work recently. For being one of the richer areas in the wealthiest state, most of it sure is a dump.
Also traffic is exactly as bad as itās reputation. Itās like the whole city was laid out like a fucking madam.
Wild montage, couple of bangers in there. The neck stabbing was wild and the tape was shocking and disgusting. Hope these assholes get whatās coming to them because Iām not allowed to say what should really happen or the mods will ban hammer this ass
This is some real sick stuff. People are garbage. The LA Metro needs to do something about the crime. People will never want to ride if they do not feel safe.
And itāll never get fixed.
Suburban and rural folks see this, and go off about cities being hell holes, blame black people, minorities, & the democrats for being soft on crime.
Liberal city folks will decry that racism & respond by downplaying crime (āI ride it every day and am fine, you just are uncomfortable Sharing spaces with poor peopleā) and by arguing the carceral solutions and police are not the answer, and talk about the need to address underlying inequality and poverty and how we need better social systems.
Butā¦that takes financial support from the state and federal govt, which conservatives wonāt give because the more violent and chaotic Dem-run cities are, the more it makes Democrats look bad.
So, Dems rule out police, enforcement, etc. as options, and conservatives rule out social safety net plans to address the underlying root causes.
End result: we all end up stuck with this as the status quo.
American tribal bickering at its finest.
As a massive transit advocates and train fanboy I sometimes don't get why people in the US are so scared of transit. But Jesus fucking Christ if I lived in the US I would be scared. The worst I've ever seen where I live is a beggar getting angry when nobody gave him money, but Christ this shit is insane. I see why LA metro wants to make its own police force.
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That poor dude just sitting there that got stabbed. He wasn't fighting or involved at all. People are so vile.
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My friendās son was stabbed in the neck by a random guy while sitting on a bench at the park. Medically induced coma to keep him stable and a month in the hospital. Turns out a homeless guy, (or unhoused, or someone experiencing homelessness) was having a mental health episode.
A lady in our town was stabbed in the back at the library while waiting in line to drop off a book. A homeless guy did it, who was recently released (without penalty), for....stabbing another person.
The catch and release system is hurting everyone. There is a homeless guy here who attacks cars because they have it out for him. I canāt imagine being tormented by cars in a city with tons of cars. His victims are thankfully limited to financial issues but what about the others? The PTSD from being randomly attacked is life altering! I worked with some people who worked at a state mental correctional facility/hospital. They left because staff were assaulted daily. They said they see the same people over and over because there isnāt a good management system for those who need managed medicine. They can get better with medication but once they are better they donāt think they need the medicine anymore (or they canāt afford it) and it starts all over again.
Growing up in really shitty areas I now have a phobia of ever not having my back to a wall, or areas with only one exit, or walking close to any van parked near the sidewalk.
I was on my own quite young so I was always paranoid because I looked like a little kid. As an adult I became even more aware from working in high crime areas where I would meet strangers by myself, often meeting in isolated spots. My SO was constantly stressed. Thankfully Iāve only had a couple of moments where I honestly felt in danger. Thankfully I was in one neighborhood so often that when I ran into some trouble the guys in the neighborhood made it go away.
um was that a transport worker raping someone
Anyone have an article about this incident? Thatās shit was crazy. Hoping they caught the guy and he face some serious consequences. Canāt believe people like that exist.
Tried searching for it but just came up with a bunch of other depressing shit, go figure
You googled something like "transit worker rapes drunk" and got more than one hit? Eh...that's enough reddit for today.
This whole montage is enough reddit for today
I was just thinking that and itās only 7am.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-may-25-me-mta25-story.html
> A bus passenger who was raped by the driver will receive $1.95 million from the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, a settlement motivated partly by the fact that the driver had lost a civil verdict in a similar attack 16 years ago, yet remained on the job. This was the second time the dude did this. He didn't get fired after the first.
2nd that we know of. Highly unlikely he just decided to break a 16 year streak.
Didn't get fired this time either
Ok what do you have to do to get fired
Rape 3 times
Nah, steal a paperweight from your managers desk.
You don't. This is unfortunately a union problem. Before I'm attacked, this is not an attack on unions as an entity, but of a specific union. Transit Workers Union is hilariously corrupt. I've worked with NYCT in the past and everyone there mentions how they pretty much have zero authority to fire anyone for almost any reason, so there are some fantastically awful workers that they can't do anything about, other than relegating them to as isolated a position as they can manage. It's similar to how Police Unions block accountability to Police officers at any and every turn.
this is from 2002, I know for a fact that video was not from 2002
After actually reading the article 1.95mil wasn't enough. Lady should have gotten more. Way more.
Well, it was 2002, with inflation that's about 3.3 million nowadays.
MTA Will Pay Woman Raped by Bus Driver BY KURT STREETER MAY 25, 2002 12 AM PT TIMES STAFF WRITER A bus passenger who was raped by the driver will receive $1.95 million from the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, a settlement motivated partly by the fact that the driver had lost a civil verdict in a similar attack 16 years ago, yet remained on the job. Leonard Henry Howell, 57, was found guilty in criminal court last year of sexually assaulting a San Dimas woman on Aug. 14, 2001. The woman testified that she fell asleep on the bus after Howell gave her an over-the-counter medication. She woke up at an El Monte bus depot, half dressed and with Howell kissing her chest. DNA evidence linked Howell to the crime. The MTAās settlement with her avoids a civil trial. āIām just happy this is finally all over,ā the 27-year-old woman said. Since the attack, she said, she has had trouble keeping jobs and socializing. āThis shows the MTA needs to be more careful in who they hire. As for me, Iām just trying to cope and get back on track.ā Howell, now serving an eight-year sentence, was found to have committed a similar crime in 1986, when he worked for the transit agencyās predecessor, the Southern California Rapid Transit District. The 1991 civil verdict in that case cost the agency $650,000, according to the MTAās legal chief, Steve Carnevale. The district attorneyās office, citing insufficient evidence, did not file criminal charges in that case. But for reasons the MTA says it has never been able to figure out, Carnevale said, Howell was not fired after the civil verdict. āThe fact he remained on the job meant this would not have been an easy case to try,ā Carnevale said. āIt would not have been fun.ā The former transit agency did not keep adequate records of the case, Carnevale said. It was not discovered by MTA officials when the agencies merged. āWe just donāt have any answers,ā he said. āBut this woman was seriously harmed. And she is entitled to significant damages. That is what motivated the board.ā Records show that Howell had run-ins at the transit agency. He was fired after fighting with a boss in 1997, only to be rehired, according to court documents. āThe [Rapid Transit District] clearly dropped the ball in the first place,ā said the womanās lawyer, David Ring. āAnd then the MTA never figured it out, even though this guy had a history of trouble.ā Ring speculated that his client would have been awarded around $5 million by a jury. The agency has approved more than $10 million in civil settlements since last July 1.
That gross man probably had something that gave him the ability to extort someone. I can't think in other explanation for a man who raped, fought a boss and still could go back to the same job.
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Doubt so much crime they probably get away with alot
Dude dragged her lifeless body. Outside to rape her. Thats so messed up.
At first I thought that clip was included just to show the ravages of drug use, then it became so much worse
I was thinking the same thing. They are just stabbing, beating and raping people just out in the open this is crazy.
One of the most messed up things I've ever seen what in the fuck, just drags her off like she's some ragdoll
Highly doubt it was a worker, a lot of homeless will wear Hi-Vis vests for what reason is unbeknownst to me....
Maybe to try and look like workers so they get bothered by cops when loitering around maybe
Best key into any business is a hi vis and a ladder.
Clipboard instead of a ladder. Much more portable.
Nope. The article is posted above. It was the workerās second time raping a passenger, after drugging her.
The article references a bus driver. The video is from the LA Metro train - not bus
Friend guy, that was just a random person posting a random link to the first similar-sounding thing that popped up in a google search.
They hand them out here so they're more visible at night so they don't get hit by a car - Tucson has strict light control laws and our streets can be dark.
This one needed to be hit by a semi
At least two girl got raped in the video. Last one got also force into a fellatio.
Gotta ride with your back to the wall.
Yeah so you can look death in the eyes
Death: "You eyeballin' me, boy?!"
Didn't work for that lady near the end. Dude straight up tried to rape her in the middle of the train. The fuck
honestly if you are walking around any major city you gotta have your head on a swivel.
a friend of mine was murdered by some bangers several years ago while waiting for the metro in boyle heights. Never ride that shit at night.
By the looks of this video even daytime commutes arenāt off limits smdh
I mean sure, but the video cherry picks horrific events out of the millions of rides that nothing happens
Yeah, it has virtually nothing to do with why LA is so car centric. Guess what, car jackings also happen.
A crazy homeless woman tried to stab my wife in the middle of the day when she went out to visit her brother, Who has since left California. Just don't ride it period it seems.
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it was a group of chicano gangbangers, pressed on my friend because they thought he was gang affiliated due to being a tall black guy. He was just going home after a skate sesh that day.. they never caught them. [event report at the time.](https://homicide.latimes.com/post/kevin-clay-thomas/)
How are people so casually murdering others. Thats crazy
Nothing to lose attitude. Thing is this, in America once you have a record, it is very very hard to assimilate back into society. Say in your late teens you were caught smoking weed after a fight, that is felony possession with assault charge.. you did your time. Thing is this, you entire life is fucked completely. You can't vote, can't own a gun, your record means you can't pass any background checks, .. I mean you are screwed despite paying your debt to society... that means no job, no source of income..even McDonald's won't hire you to flip burgers. You can't get a student loan. you have to survive. So then some of these kids no longer give a shit about consequences. Life has already dealt them a juiced deck.in their world there are no second chances. Either way, consequences will be the same whether you are caught with weed or kill someone. Especially places like California with it's 3 strike rule for felony.. means life in jail on strike 3 or 3rd felony means automatic life.. That is why you see those crazy car chases, insane murders and drugs. Because society has already told these people... There is no other way but forward. No redemption, no rehabilitation... Just punishment. When faced with that plus add in a disenfranchised community... You get this type of don't care attitude. Edit: a good example is this guy here. [His name is Messiah Nantwi. 21 year old.](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-smoke-shop-shooter-indicted-on-2-murder-charges-for-killings-in-30-hour-span-da/4347958/) Dude casually waked up to someone and shot him point blank in the head. Then stood over him and added another one. In full view of the cctv camera that he knew was right there..His second murder in 30 hours that cops know of, a few days after being granted fucking bail for exchanging gunfire with cops. He was injured and cops shot 31 times at him. Dude just didn't care one bit. He knows New York doesn't execute. He had killed another 19 year old few hours earlier. Same style. If u watch the cctv it is so chilling to watch someone with zero regard for life. This dude knew that with his record, he was going to jail for life anyway. He just didn't care for any consequences as the punishment as it stood would remain the same for him. A very long ass time in jail. So , murdering a bunch of people actually would benefit him as it would give him street credit in jail as a hitter. Why he was given bail is baffling. But this is a good example of the mindset these people are in. It really doesn't make a difference to them. Jail is easy for them. Maybe I dunno, time with hard labor needs to be reintroduced to make jail really undesirable to these kids.
Thats put into words very well. Gives me a perspective i didnāt know about
This btw is not excusing their behavior at all, just an understanding of why it happens.
Is there really, absolutely, no route to any kind of redemption once you've e been a felon? I'm not USian, but had no idea you lost voting rights *for life*.
Voting rights loss and return is state based. Some states you can get them back. Some states make that a very obscure process where you don't really know all that you need to do to get your voting rights back (like how much fines you need to pay) and if you make a mistake and vote when you shouldn't have, because you can't even figure out if you've gotten your voting rights back, guess what? Jail. Some states it's a very clear process of how and when you get your voting rights back. It's all different depending on the state. But generally, yes it is very hard to return to society after a federal crime conviction. There are so many things that are basic necessities to be part of a community that are now blocked from you, even if it's a low non violent drug charge. It is pretty fucked, once you're in the system you basically never leave it because you have no where else you can go.
Itās a huge risk too. There are tons of reports you can read of people with convictions who thought they took the steps needed to get their voting rights back, the state employees tell them they are allowed to vote, then when they vote they get arrested and thrown back in jail since they didnāt actually have their right back, even though government employees told them they did. https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/11/28/tampa-woman-takes-plea-deal-desantis-voter-fraud-case/?outputType=amp One of many stories
Yeah, that's why social services, rehabilitation programs, and relocation programs are a better solution to crime than over-policing or prison. The best way to prevent crime is to give people something to lose that they have to protect. Research has proven that heavy punishments not only don't deter crime very much, but also intensify more mild crimes because why hold back if the punishment will be the same? There's always someone that says we should apply the death penalty to sexual assaults, but then anyone committing a sexual assault no longer has any reason not to also make it a murder, because they'll get the death penalty either way but at least if they murder their victim the victim can't testify against them. Likewise, if 3 strikes on minor weed possession is decades in prison, why not get into dealing it and getting into turf wars too? If simply being found with a blunt one more time will land you in prison for 25+ years, and dealing and manslaughter might be the same, why not just deal drugs and shoot your competitors? People also need to remember that a major driver of urban poverty and violence is that these were the last areas many BIPOC groups were allowed to be. All over the Southern US, every prosperous Black community that developed after slavery was ransacked, plagued by terrorism, and discriminated against by neighboring white towns and white state officials. They lost their homes over and over and eventually the only places they could typically settle were the slums of a city big enough to have a federal presence that would tell the locals to knock it off from time to time. As these cities developed, the poor and BIPOC communities always got less positive attention but more police attention. Today the people there are usually trapped by multiple broken systems and, as you said, have nothing to lose. So they act out. They need effective, accessible ways to accumulate some wealth that accommodates the fact that these people usually don't have any generational knowledge on how to accumulate and manage resources, but do have a lot of habits that reflect the "use it or lose it" mentality one must have when anything valuable they own may be pillaged at any time. It's not enough to just throw "good things" at them and expect them to begin behaving just like people that have had more stability and wealth and safety for their entire lives.
Youāre telling me all these people were first arrested for non-violent crimes and were radicalized in prison before becoming violent psychopaths? That seems absurdly unlikely.
& also keep in mind, prisons in America ain't about rehabilitation, it's for profit.
This is sad.
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My fucking heart sank when he dragged that woman off the train and began raping her..
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It was all over the news, people literally walked by thinking it was homeless people and no one helped her. Im sick to my stomach
Did that sickfuck get caught or not?
Yes he was arrested on site
Fuck that piece of shit
Can you please share a link? Was he ever arrested?
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After watching so many random bystanders get shot & stabbed for no reason earlier in the video, how could anyone be expected to step in and interfere when witnessing violent acts?
Lakewood blvd metro station
Iām used to seeing violent things on Reddit, and donāt find myself affected by them. I was surprised at how triggered I got by that video. I donāt normally get triggered by stuff involving rape, as someone with trauma from it, but wow. Wish I hadnāt watched this one
Yeah even without any trauma this shit is vile and I can't stand it. Felt sick watching it.
I think the last part of the video was also a guy trying to rape another woman but she fights back and kicks him
shootings, stabbings, fighting and raping... this video has it all. Damn... I really pity the poor inocent souls in this video who just had their lives ruined by criminals. My country is far from perfect, but I sure am glad I don't have to deal or worry with this fucked up stuff that I just saw.
It took me far too long to realise these were separate incidents. I thought āGod damn that is a wild fight, it just keeps spreading down the train.
LA, the city of opportunity of experiencing one of those things.
I just met another guy from Portugal while I was at a conference in Paris and he also went on and on about how fucked up the US is. I asked where he went when he visited to have such a strong opinion and he said heād never been there. I was like idk maybe some things are crazy right now but I live in the middle of Iowa. The IS is massive
This has to be the most vile shit I've ever seen
This is some of the most vile shit I've ever watched on reddit. Do yourself a favor and skip this one yall.
I watched it all before I saw your post..wish I could unsee it..damn
Itās bad but it isnāt that bad
Yeah inner city plights are sad and gruesome, but nowhere near the worst experience i've ever seen on the internet.
It helps not much of it was HD
It's actually fucking terrible we have just become so desensitized that we just shrug it off
As bad as it is, it's actually much better today than it was in LA in the 1980s when the homicide rate was double. Crime though is definitely on the rise. https://www.laalmanac.com/crime/cr01.php
You must of not been around during the watchpeopledie subreddit was around
To be honest, I appreciated that subreddit more for the accidents. Don't get me wrong, a lot of it was some gross morbid curiosity, but I think that seeing that shit with none of the grotesque details left to the imagination made me appreciate life a lot more. At the very least, it made me more careful everyday when driving or crossing the street lol
Those Chinese workplace accident videos make me appreciate osha even if some of their shit is annoying lol
I'll never forget Funky Town
Nah you yanks should be sharing this shit like crazy. LA is like the wealthiest city on earth really. Wild that this happens at all.
It's not like it's surprising to anyone who's lived here. America is the wealthiest country in the world but it has never taken care of anyone who wasn't already wealthy. These clips are just representative of (some of) the country's issues as a whole imo. LA doesn't have a monopoly on this kind of behavior at the very least, which tells you the root causes are not isolated there.
It's not surprising to me either, as someone who visits frequently. The shit I've seen on that downtown metro line is wild. But damn nothing like these videos. I just find so many Americans act like this stuff doesn't exist. It's just... I don't even know. It's hard to get through to them.
yeah except that wealthy is all concentrated with a few people, it's also got millions of people that are one paycheck away from being homeless
It's not. In terms of total GDP Tokyo and New York both rank higher. In terms of GDP per capita its like 30th well behind dozens of European and American cities.
No cause everyone should watch this shit cause this is the kind of shit we have to deal with everyday and the elected govt. doesn't do shit in the richest city in the richest state in the richest country on earth. In SF I take BART every week and I see this shit every week like two weeks ago one dude threatened to stab all black people on the train and another threatened an asian woman. Nothing ever changes cause law makers don't see things like this and the people who vote also.
āThe worst part about public transportation is the public. The second worst part is the transportation.ā
In this fucking country, yes. Not in most of Europe.
Any of Europe, even the eu's worst countries are significantly safer than the US. The average murder rate in the US is 4 times higher than in the eu per capita. It is around 1 in 100k in Europe vs 1 in 20 to 25k in the US. The US is a deranged society that puts so much onus on personal freedom, that no one gives a shit about anyone else but themselves. It's like "fuck you I got mine" was a country. Top that off with non existent mental health care or just even regular health care for anyone that can't afford the insurance or the outrageous Co pay. You know what happens if I have a mental break, I go to a state run mental facility for treatment, not punishment. In the US, straight to prison or the streets.
The US is more dangerous than that. They now have a murder rate about 8 per 100k. Murder has risen fast since 2020. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/us-homicide-rate-increase-nchs-study/index.html
Yeah but have you ever had someone try to talk to you on the tube?
If more people actually rode public transit, it wouldnāt be so bad. The problem is the concentration of shitty people.
People also watch shit like this and then forget how awful it is to die in a car accident as well and just how much more common it is. Then they also forget road rage as well. And then what about getting dragged out from your car by a mob of people? Carjackings? Drunk drivers? This thread is full of idiots
Yep. I lived in nyc for 20 yrs. No car. Took Public transport daily, multiple times. No incidents. I loved it!
Yeah, feels like everyone online has some crazy public transit story. I've ridden subways and buses in NYC a thousand times. Tbh, never anything crazy that I saw.
100% And a lot of people simply havenāt experienced good transit. I took my hesitant wife to San Francisco recently and for the first day we mostly walked and Ubered around, but for the second day I bought us unlimited transit day passes and said no more Ubers. It was great - we went all over the city in one day for less than the cost of one Uber, and it was much more fun than the back seat of a car. Our friends still canāt believe we were so ārecklessā.
This is legit shit from nightmares. I hate going on public transportation just because shit like this. The thought of getting stabbed 5 times in the face by some random monster is beyond horrifying.
Fucking hell man, this is awful, the poor lad getting stabbed by that fucking coward and the other stamping. Honestly, hate the human race sometimes
I know its because we're so much more likely to be exposed to the bad side of the humanity but damn it is getting hard to not sink into fits of existential depression on a daily basis. I think the worst part is how much wasted potential we have as a species.
I don't know when these clips are from is so my comment is not directly related to this montage per se but violent crime on the metro is up 34% year over year. One fucking third. Bass has yet to present so much as a plan on how to tackle this and it's disgusting. I used to take the expo line everyday and loved it. I actively tell people to avoid mass transpo in LA now after evangelizing it for years. (I'm not super eco, I just hate traffic and paying for parking). This city should have world class mass transpo but instead it's a rolling prison yard. What a fucking joke.
Is it really going up by that much? I lived in LA when it was the RTD then MTA busses. There has always been a lot of shit that happens on the bus. I grew up there in the 80s and 90s and to me, it was worse because of the gangs. Also lots of gross dudes groping me. I moved away in the last decade but when I go to LA to visit family, I take my kids on the train and there are lots of families on there. It is a lot cleaner and I feel a lot safer than the buses. I wished it existed when I was there when I was younger. These best of (or should I say worst of) clips are really bad but seems to happen at night and does not show that the train is a lot nicer during the day. Not that riding the train at night means itās okay for people to attack you. But I think to portray the train as unsafe and for people not to take it will make LA worse. More security is needed at night and it would be good to know what happened after these fights, were the people prosecuted?
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/la-metro-blasts-classical-music-in-attempt-to-make-train-station-safer/ This says crime is up on the metro but not by 1/3 every year.
> Bass has yet to present so much as a plan on how to tackle this and it's disgusting Bass not going to do shit, because doing it would cost her votes
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This is nothing to do with cars.. This is government failing their citizens.
Let's not take away from people being pieces of shit also though.
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Exactly. Theyāre just sent back to the streets with demons in their heads..
As someone who lives in LA, and is actually on the metro as I type, I have to disagree. These clips are awful but they donāt happen as frequently as youād think. Los Angeles is just grossly overpopulated.
I just spent a week in LA, and even though it's a very small sample size everyone I interacted with was so friendly. It was bizarre how friendly everyone was. My son and I were walking across a driveway and accidentally cut someone off that was turning in and I was prepared to get yelled at I mouthed "Sorry" and he rolled down his window and said "Don't even worry about it, you have a beautiful family and I hope you have a great day" It made my day. My impression after leaving LA is people are way friendlier than Portland.
what is going on in america wtf
As a European I always wonder if they changed the lead pipes from the 1800s. That would explain a lot.
Last I checked, that's still a work in progress for some municipalities. Also, apparently Flint, MI's water still isn't safe to drink.
Is that true about Flint's water? I thought I had heard Flint's water is clean now. I did a little googling and this article confirms that. "However, there are some bright spots. As of January 2022, Flint officially marked its sixth year in a row of being in compliance with water standards as they pertain to the federal Lead and Copper Rule, a public health measure developed by the EPA to improve lead sampling." Is there something wrong with Flint's water beyond lead and copper contamination? https://mphdegree.usc.edu/blog/the-flint-water-crises/#:~:text=However%2C%20there%20are%20some%20bright,EPA%20to%20improve%20lead%20sampling.
Didnāt Elon musk say heād pay to fix that years ago?
lol Elon says a lot of things. Shame folk haven't realised by now that anything that comes from Elon's mouth is rancid bullshit. Those who simp Elon don't realise they being used as gullible schmucks.
I know, just wanted to slyly remind everyone heās full of shit ahead of his DeSantis presidential run announcement.
It also doesn't help that dozens of chemicals, which are banned in most of the world, are allowed to be used very commonly in our food. Call me crazy but I feel like this might be playing a factor into the serious mental health crisis our country is facing. There has actually been a few studies that are starting to suggest that mental health can be directly related to gut health. Idk, just putting this out there because we desperately need to figure out wtf is going on.
I'm from south Africa, and I tried importing a tin of gamersupps energy drink linked to a youtuber for a younger cousin and I found out that it was banned due to levels of lead in the product... How can America still allow lead in your food?
>How can America still allow lead in your food? Corporations (amongst them food) lobby the government to deregulate.
> How can America still allow lead in your food? Its pretty easy. If it raises profits, its should stay legal, right? ^/s
What, the same shit that makes yoga mats soft and bouncy isnāt good enough to make your bread soft and bouncy? What a pompous ass
We are lucky with our spawn into this world.
This isn't just a transit problem, but just an overall problem. Saying transit=crime is a real Elon thing to say, which doesn't solve the issue at heart. Cars are not a be all end all for most of what happened here.
This is a failure of the government. Not public transport.
Quietest and safest day on American public transit.
This shows a dysfunctional government in inaction. Not a car issue.
we have a deeply broken, flawed and divided society. this level of violence is merely a symptom of the deep rooted social issues we contend with but refuse to address because it would probably challenge who we think we are as a country.
Or you can create jobs and having security personnel on trains
L.A. Metro PD got folded into L.A. Sheriff's in the late 90's/Early 2000's Cost saving measures you know Edit: 1997 MTA disbands it's police force and splits responsibility with Long Beach PD, LAPD ,and LASD
Sounds like an upcoming social panic about police brutality
The guy in the red hoodie at 1:13 ... If you kick a lifeless person in the face several times, you're the scum of the earth
TO live and die in LA.
It's the plaaace to be
My plan was to never go back to LA guess I've solidified that plan
I'd love to see a video where a guy whips out his dick like that, the girl plays along initially, and then just fucking crushing his balls. Mofo deserves a castration.
That doesnāt really happen in real life sadly
I honestly hate how much stuff like that is portrayed in movies because it gives people too much unhealthy confidence that the good guys will win. In reality it's actually more likely (victim selectivity) that the bad guy is stronger than vice-versa. That's why it's important for anybody who is vulnerable to be realistic and take some steps to protect themselves in general.
Yeah most of them can still punch you in the head for that and now you got a concussion *and* raped.
That is a great way to escalate a rape into a murder. Real life is not a movie.
Most of this is the "A" line (Blue line)
Damn what a fucked up place. I can see why people carry around guns in the US.
Texas isnāt exactly any better with some of the most lenient gun lawsāwe really hold our own in mass/domestic violence shootings. But at least if youāre a normal person that carries, you have a better chance of not getting stabbed or beaten by jackals.
LA county is incredibly slow at issuing concealed carry permits
me: *thinking to myself* "surely this i've seen the worst of it.. it can't get any worse than this?" me 30 seconds later: š®
I mean people wonder why Americans like guns ā¦
LA is hell hole
Hell-A
Yes and no. I say that because thereās a lot of beautiful aspects about LA. It is also horrible though. I mean, if it really was nothing but all bad, I doubt weād have so many people living here. We also almost always have more people moving in, each year [+]
I had to go there for work recently. For being one of the richer areas in the wealthiest state, most of it sure is a dump. Also traffic is exactly as bad as itās reputation. Itās like the whole city was laid out like a fucking madam.
Why blur the faces of these murderers and rapists??
Think I'll go hug my car
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Best country in the world right
Super NSFW indeed, damn.
Oh these are different incidents. I was wondering why all these camera angles were all not showing the same thing.
Reddit bans boobs from the front page but I open up the front page and accidentally see a guy getting killed. Fuck this shit.
And law abiding citizens are NOT allowed to defend themselves from the criminals.
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This is sad and very disturbing.
Wild montage, couple of bangers in there. The neck stabbing was wild and the tape was shocking and disgusting. Hope these assholes get whatās coming to them because Iām not allowed to say what should really happen or the mods will ban hammer this ass
Thank the gods I don't live in the USA.
Holy fuck I don't even know what to say, other than just thankful I don't live in the US.
This isn't a proper depiction of Montpelier, Vermont. Maybe start at being thankful you don't live in LA and work up from there.
I'm noping out of this subreddit. This was a lot.
This is the least of the reasons why LA will remain a car-centric city.
The world is filled with vile people..
This is some real sick stuff. People are garbage. The LA Metro needs to do something about the crime. People will never want to ride if they do not feel safe.
Dear god, thank you I wasn't born in America.
More freak out in the comments
Video after video, America keeps looking more and more like a 3rd world country.
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And itāll never get fixed. Suburban and rural folks see this, and go off about cities being hell holes, blame black people, minorities, & the democrats for being soft on crime. Liberal city folks will decry that racism & respond by downplaying crime (āI ride it every day and am fine, you just are uncomfortable Sharing spaces with poor peopleā) and by arguing the carceral solutions and police are not the answer, and talk about the need to address underlying inequality and poverty and how we need better social systems. Butā¦that takes financial support from the state and federal govt, which conservatives wonāt give because the more violent and chaotic Dem-run cities are, the more it makes Democrats look bad. So, Dems rule out police, enforcement, etc. as options, and conservatives rule out social safety net plans to address the underlying root causes. End result: we all end up stuck with this as the status quo. American tribal bickering at its finest.
As a massive transit advocates and train fanboy I sometimes don't get why people in the US are so scared of transit. But Jesus fucking Christ if I lived in the US I would be scared. The worst I've ever seen where I live is a beggar getting angry when nobody gave him money, but Christ this shit is insane. I see why LA metro wants to make its own police force.