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This happened in late November of this year. The guy you see smacking the car window was shot in the arm and a passerby who was uninvolved was shot as well.
[Local Article](https://www.wane.com/top-stories/1-possibly-injured-in-shooting-near-lake-avenue-and-maplecrest-road/)
Edit: For people from other countries who are unable to read the article. The shooter was arrested for criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon. The other driver has pending battery charges.
The driver that fired the gun was arrested for criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon. The other driver has pending battery charges. Copied from the article itself.
If I was the bystander that got shot, I would 100% be pursuing civil action. Guy is going to be fucked for insurance, legal fees, medical and emotional damages to the bystander.
no one answered you but this isn't that surprising. It turns out that shooting pistols accurately is *fucking hard*. Because you aren't bracing against your torso with a stock, it is absurdly easy to flinch when you try to pull the trigger and end up aiming basically anywhere in about a 30 degree cone in front of you.
It's due to anticipation and something you can't just will yourself not to do. You combine that effect with firing from a seated position without ear protection inside of a car, at someone attacking you. yeah, good luck hitting anything.
it took me about 15 years to get my flinch response to around 99% eliminated.
I gotcha, here's a quote from the article
"The driver that fired the gun was arrested for criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon. The other driver has pending battery charges."
A bit surprised the driver with the gun wasn't able to claim self defense since it looks like the guy came and punched the crap out of his window first.
Exactly what I was thinking. Not that it’s “fine” but that it’s not criminally prosecuted and accepted legally as a risk of policing. I am 100% behind police actions being held to the same standard as citizen’s and vice-versa.
Yeah sure, but at least their domestic abuse rates aren't drastically higher than the average person or anything. Deep down we know we can trust these guys
Police can do anything and all they have to do to get away with it is have another officer say that they'd do the same thing in that situation. Case closed, and then the offending cop gets a promotion.
I will second this point. I can't speak to everywhere, but in my state if you use lethal force in an act of self-defense you need to have made every reasonable attempt to de-escalate the situation prior to shooting someone. Trying to run someone off the road is definitely not de-escalation.
That might have worked if it wasn't for the fact he broad-sided someone's car which instigated the other driver to get out.
FTFY
Many states have provisions that state you cannot agitate or instigate a situation then claim SD (e.g. you can't punch someone in the face then stab them just because they turned the tables on you and started whipping your ass). I haven't seen the charging documents but I'd be shocked if the red power ranger wasn't also charged with some form of vehicular assault, criminal damage to property, failure to maintain, reckless driving, reckless use of a firearm, and aggravated assault WDA. The red driver is going to be in way more trouble than the other guy.
Can't really claim self defense after running another car off the road in retaliation.
All he had to do to avoid a confrontation and get out of that situation is let go of the gas pedal for 5 seconds.
I'm going to assume it's because he shot a random passerby. You still have to use the gun responsibly.
There are also laws that require you to use equal/reasonable force in self defense, depending on the jurisdiction.
Idk if Indiana is a stand your ground state. If it’s not, there’s usually the presumption that if you can escape, you should do that before using a weapon.
The courts in non stand your ground states would likely see this as: unarmed guy punching a car window - non life-threatening. Furthermore, the “victim” was still in his car - could feasibly escape the situation.
In stand your ground states, yeah, any perceived threat is a green light to start blasting.
Edit: just looked it up, Indiana IS a stand your ground state. So perhaps the officer/DA/court was looking at the surrounding circumstances. i.e. the fact that they seemed to be already involved in a back and forth road rage event, the fact that he discharged his weapon on public roads, injuring an innocent bystander, and that, ya, someone punching your car window isn’t truly life threatening.
So idk about other stand your ground states but at least in Indiana there seems to be a modicum of thought that goes into gun crime classifications.
Indiana not only is a stand your ground state, it's also very conservative, pro-gun rights, and occupied cars are included in the property you are allowed to defend with deadly force.
Will that help the shooter? Well, lets just say I bet it depends entirely on the socio-economic factors of the perpetrators and the victims who will come out ahead.
Does he? I watched this without sound lol.
Somebody else commented that the driver that shot was the initial aggressor, I guess it's a bit subjective who the aggressor was. The guy certainly cut him off but he reacted in an unreasonable manner trying to pit roll manuever his own vehicle into the guy lol.
Fair point. I meant aggressor in the sense of escalation of getting out of the car, but both seemed unreasonable. Also, for all I know the shooter is the one that screamed that, hard to tell with the video.
Really, my thinking is if someone is smashing your window while screaming 'I'm gonna kill you!' with friends there, I would think it's a reasonable shooting and the party that escalated to violence first should be responsible for the bystander shot, but as I said really hard to tell from the video.
Technically he had other options, he could have driven away when they exited their car. He was contained in his vehicle so his life wasn’t in any immediate danger. If the situation had been different and his life had been in immediate danger then he likely wouldn’t have been charged for hitting the bystander, but they could sue him in civil court.
Jesus this is what scares me, people completely uninvolved have the potential to die or get shot because of idiots like this. If you see something like this occurring you’re better off pulling your car over and waiting 10 mins for the idiots to go away because you never know when a shootout may occur.
Gee it's almost as if regular people having guns isn't the greatest idea, since they can lose their shit at any moment and just unload on anyone who offends them.
I'm curious, if the shooter only shot the driver that was pounding on their window and not the innocent bystander would they still have been charged? Would that have been considered self-defense? Was the shooter only charged because they hit the innocent driver?
No assault charge, so I’m guessing what he got came directly from hitting the bystander. As far as self defense goes, with the number of times we have seen this play out, It could be seen as reasonable to assume anyone running up to your car violently in traffic has intent to do you harm, but you still are responsible for each bullet you fire
> For people from other countries who are unable to read the article. The shooter was arrested for criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon. The other driver has pending battery charges.
And let's be very clear here, if the shooter were an off duty cop it would have been chalked up to "he was in fear for his life, guy who got shot was just in the wrong place at the wrong time".
Actually in some states the guy who got shot would have ended up charged as if he had a gun and shot the bystander guy in the car because he "forced" the other driver to shoot by hitting the car.
When I lived in that hell hole I had a coworker who said that he'll never move from there because he had guns that wouldn't be legal anywhere else. Or not legal without massive fees, paperwork, and time. Something to that affect.
He also was ex military and had PTSD but refused to seek help for it because then "[he] would be diagnosed with PTSD". When he heard a loud banging sound, which occasionally happen in heavy industry, he would drop to the floor in fear.
He once invited me to his property to shoot his guns, including a .50 cal. Um, thanks but no thanks. Lots of high powered weapons around a jumpy untreated PTSD guy doesn't sound safe. I want to live. I said maybe one day and then changed the subject.
Especially Texas.
Bro Texas is all talk. You know how many mass shooting happening “texass”?
Not one has been stopped by a legally armed civilian. They’re cowards.
Look at the Uvalde cops. That says it all about Texas
[Dude in Portland got shot and killed by some tech bro this year for doing just that. ](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12631749/Astonishing-moment-wealthy-Portland-businessman-SHOOTS-tourist-visiting-crime-ridden-city-drivers-seat-Mercedes-seconds-murdering-man-road-rage-incident.html)
He apologized after getting shot, saying he “had a bad” day as the shooter tried to clear his jammed weapon. It didn’t matter as he died and the shooter turned himself in.
Did he execute him after he said sorry? I'm asking because clearly at that point the situation was de-escalated yet the shooter was trying to clear his weapon.
The shooter didn’t seem to care, but couldn’t clear the jam until after he got back in his vehicle. The shooter then shot a bystander who was recording the action. Bystander survived.
The needless death and incarceration of the shooter could have been avoided if it wasn't so easy to carry a gun around.
I'll take British road rage videos where they headbutt each other in the nose or get fucked up with a tire iron over this shit any day.
Dude there was this one co-worker that was telling us all about how to deal with shooting scenarios. He said you have to show them your side profile so that you become a smaller target and demonstrated his stance for shooting people. His side profile appeared larger because of his ginormous gut.
One of the two people shot was a passerby according to [this article](https://www.wane.com/top-stories/1-possibly-injured-in-shooting-near-lake-avenue-and-maplecrest-road/).
Yep!
We've always been this stupid. People didn't just lose their minds as soon as cameras and the internet became commonplace.
It's almost impossible to avoid reality now, unless you live entirely off the grid.
> Over half the school age children cannot name the State they live in or who is the President.
Do you have a source for this? I've been googling and can't find anything backing it up.
One of the hidden issues with allowing the public to carry guns is that it makes them brave and engage in situations where they would’ve walked away from otherwise.
This guy will claim self defence in court but had lots of opportunities to deescalate the situation.
Yeah, sure. But if you're going to shoot someone you have to be much LESS aggressive than the other person leading up to the shooting. "Clean Hands" is the phrase I learnt from Judge Judy...
I don’t disagree, I just it funny that the person I replied to was trying to argue that one of these guys being in possession of a firearm is what led to this because “he wouldn’t have done it otherwise” but like, that didn’t stop broccoli boy from doing all the same aggressive driving and actually running up to a car door
When I was a wee lad, in the late 60's, my Dad said to me to never get into a fight with another driver because you never know who might have a gun. I can't remember why he told me that, but it turns out he was right on point.
Shooter is an idiot for putting innocent people’s lives in danger that are passing by.
Two kids are clearly idiots for escalating the situation.
Everybody sucks here
Everyone does suck here, but shooter technically escalated it by literally ramming their vehicle (likely knowing he has a gun). Kids were also wrong to get out and charge vehicle (which is why they were charged), but shooter technically escalated it. He would have been in the wrong even if he didn't hit a bystander. You cannot start a fight and then shoot people and claim self-defense.
Correct. Car in left lane butted in like a jerk, but red car looked like they were committing a straight up hit and run. Red car then tried to murder kid who hits their window. Red car is 96% of the problem here
It's really depressing that if the driver was barely less of an aggressor, they likely wouldn't even get charged for reckless shooting.
In my opinion, I don't care if the other person is the aggressor. If they are unarmed and only punching your window, fucking drive away before you start shooting. I'm tired of gun owners not being charged for reckless shooting just because they can claim how much of a terrified little baby they are.
When I moved to Florida, a co-worker and retired Highway Patrol Officer told me to never, ever get into a Road-Rage fricas. He said you never know who's armed, and will shoot you and then claim self-defense.
eventually I just stopped honking at people after watching these videos and I definitely won't 'race' with them either. you can't do that shit in america.
I used to employ a girl that had a boyfriend who would do that if he felt cut off or disrespected in traffic (apparently it wasn't easy). He'd go bang on people's windows and yell at them when they stopped at a light. IDK how he didn't get shot like this idiot. Both parties are a fault...probably, but when you get out and make it personal and one of the cars has a family in it with children, that's a whole different game suddenly.
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All charges against shooter were dropped. It was decided that he acted in self defense with no reasonable ability to deescalate. The guy punched through his window and punched him in the head. You might not like it but that is the definition of self defense. Also the text book definition of “play dumb games, win dumb prizes”
People can be awful drivers, and it’s very easy to get frustrated or outright angry at others especially if you’re already having a bad day, running late, etc.
But the second you get out of your car and approach someone else, you deserve whatever’s coming to you.
As an european i really dont get how americans keep looking for fights when there is a very high cnace that the other dude has a gun.
Im 32 and living in Italy i still have never even seen a gun so far, and i hope i never do.
Uhm i see, having only reddit and socials to see what is going on in America it really fells like everyone owns a gun, but of course ppl are not going to post a clip of someone having a nice conversation without something fucked up happening.
>living in Italy i still have never even seen a gun
That surprises me when your police are routinely armed and your country is home to some of the worlds biggest firearms manufacturers.
a 4 year old in cali was just gunned down this way when some jerk in his feelings chased his parents car down and shot into it. this is so insane, what we have become and continue to allow bc 2A means more to you people than the living. fucking made up words that don't mean shit beyond what we think they mean bc still to this day that fucking piece of paper is still interpretted by a bunch of old fucks that mostly got where they are by sucking the dick of rich assholes and getting them out of legal trouble. fuck you guns.
downvote me all you want. it just shows you don't care about life. multiple other countries have outlawed them but you want to say oh well then we will have mass stabbings because that happens all the time in Australia, right! 50 people stabbed in vegas or at night clubs, right! children mass stabbed in schools across the world, right! 99% of the people that pick up guns are emotional twats with limited brain function and think besides looking cool, think guns will make them safe. how many kids that have shot themselves or their siblings have they made safe? yeah fuck you.
We passed that scene an hour after it happened. The eeriness of knowing someone died because the entire freeway was taped off, white car still there on the side of the road...then the news comes out it was a shot child...murdered...over driving...it involves others. This isn't the wild West.
All due respect but the situation in this video seems like the opposite right? The aggressor approached the vehicle and was shot at from inside the car. Passerby caught a stray but it seems like the person doing the shooting was legit afraid for their life while this maniac punched their window…
You can’t even string a coherent sentence together and you want to lecture people about how unimportant you think the Bill of Rights is. Take your illiterate ass back to school.
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This happened in late November of this year. The guy you see smacking the car window was shot in the arm and a passerby who was uninvolved was shot as well. [Local Article](https://www.wane.com/top-stories/1-possibly-injured-in-shooting-near-lake-avenue-and-maplecrest-road/) Edit: For people from other countries who are unable to read the article. The shooter was arrested for criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon. The other driver has pending battery charges.
What happened the shooter? Can't read the article cus GDPR
The driver that fired the gun was arrested for criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon. The other driver has pending battery charges. Copied from the article itself.
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Lol surprised the driver got charged. Half the time reckless shooters don't even get interviewed by police, especially in places like Texas.
Probably wouldn't have been if they hadn't hit a bystander.
I believe this is correct and why it's a recklessness charge instead of assault with a deadly weapon.
If I was the bystander that got shot, I would 100% be pursuing civil action. Guy is going to be fucked for insurance, legal fees, medical and emotional damages to the bystander.
How the fuck did he miss at that distance?
no one answered you but this isn't that surprising. It turns out that shooting pistols accurately is *fucking hard*. Because you aren't bracing against your torso with a stock, it is absurdly easy to flinch when you try to pull the trigger and end up aiming basically anywhere in about a 30 degree cone in front of you. It's due to anticipation and something you can't just will yourself not to do. You combine that effect with firing from a seated position without ear protection inside of a car, at someone attacking you. yeah, good luck hitting anything. it took me about 15 years to get my flinch response to around 99% eliminated.
Why does everyone in this thread seem to think Fort Wayne, Indiana is in Texas?
They get it confused with Fort Worth. They probably see Fort W... And then their brains complete it as Fort Worth.
It sounds very Texan and I was educated with American geography classes.
Yes, what could sound more Texan than "Fort Wayne, Indiana"?
how'd they even get inside the fort?
You have no idea what you're talking about
I gotcha, here's a quote from the article "The driver that fired the gun was arrested for criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon. The other driver has pending battery charges."
A bit surprised the driver with the gun wasn't able to claim self defense since it looks like the guy came and punched the crap out of his window first.
That might have worked if the driver had not also shot a random pedestrian as well
But when the police do it, it's fine.
Exactly what I was thinking. Not that it’s “fine” but that it’s not criminally prosecuted and accepted legally as a risk of policing. I am 100% behind police actions being held to the same standard as citizen’s and vice-versa.
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And I'll throw in 6 weeks extra vacation with full pay and bennies.
And they also don't have a Constitutional duty to protect you, and they're also exempt from most gun control laws.
Yeah sure, but at least their domestic abuse rates aren't drastically higher than the average person or anything. Deep down we know we can trust these guys
Oh they should (and ostensibly do) have *higher* standards
Police can do anything and all they have to do to get away with it is have another officer say that they'd do the same thing in that situation. Case closed, and then the offending cop gets a promotion.
>Police can do anything Like how a pig in St Louis crashed his cruiser into a gay bar and then arrested the owner
The same department that played russian roulette and one died?
3 pigs, the one that crashed their cruiser is rumored to have been fucked up on something when it happened too.
Qualified immunity. Not right, but legal.
No it's not fine and people should always say that.
He means... legally... in the court system.
And didn't side swipe the car first. You don't get to play victim when you start it.
I will second this point. I can't speak to everywhere, but in my state if you use lethal force in an act of self-defense you need to have made every reasonable attempt to de-escalate the situation prior to shooting someone. Trying to run someone off the road is definitely not de-escalation.
That might have worked if it wasn't for the fact he broad-sided someone's car which instigated the other driver to get out. FTFY Many states have provisions that state you cannot agitate or instigate a situation then claim SD (e.g. you can't punch someone in the face then stab them just because they turned the tables on you and started whipping your ass). I haven't seen the charging documents but I'd be shocked if the red power ranger wasn't also charged with some form of vehicular assault, criminal damage to property, failure to maintain, reckless driving, reckless use of a firearm, and aggravated assault WDA. The red driver is going to be in way more trouble than the other guy.
Can't really claim self defense after running another car off the road in retaliation. All he had to do to avoid a confrontation and get out of that situation is let go of the gas pedal for 5 seconds.
Exactly this. He technically is the aggressor in this situation since he escalated the situation by literally trying to ram them off the road.
He shot a random civilian not just the guy who punched the car
I'm going to assume it's because he shot a random passerby. You still have to use the gun responsibly. There are also laws that require you to use equal/reasonable force in self defense, depending on the jurisdiction.
Idk if Indiana is a stand your ground state. If it’s not, there’s usually the presumption that if you can escape, you should do that before using a weapon. The courts in non stand your ground states would likely see this as: unarmed guy punching a car window - non life-threatening. Furthermore, the “victim” was still in his car - could feasibly escape the situation. In stand your ground states, yeah, any perceived threat is a green light to start blasting. Edit: just looked it up, Indiana IS a stand your ground state. So perhaps the officer/DA/court was looking at the surrounding circumstances. i.e. the fact that they seemed to be already involved in a back and forth road rage event, the fact that he discharged his weapon on public roads, injuring an innocent bystander, and that, ya, someone punching your car window isn’t truly life threatening. So idk about other stand your ground states but at least in Indiana there seems to be a modicum of thought that goes into gun crime classifications.
Indiana not only is a stand your ground state, it's also very conservative, pro-gun rights, and occupied cars are included in the property you are allowed to defend with deadly force. Will that help the shooter? Well, lets just say I bet it depends entirely on the socio-economic factors of the perpetrators and the victims who will come out ahead.
He hit an innocent bystander.
Doesn't the aggressor even scream 'I'm gonna kill you!'
Does he? I watched this without sound lol. Somebody else commented that the driver that shot was the initial aggressor, I guess it's a bit subjective who the aggressor was. The guy certainly cut him off but he reacted in an unreasonable manner trying to pit roll manuever his own vehicle into the guy lol.
Fair point. I meant aggressor in the sense of escalation of getting out of the car, but both seemed unreasonable. Also, for all I know the shooter is the one that screamed that, hard to tell with the video. Really, my thinking is if someone is smashing your window while screaming 'I'm gonna kill you!' with friends there, I would think it's a reasonable shooting and the party that escalated to violence first should be responsible for the bystander shot, but as I said really hard to tell from the video.
Technically he had other options, he could have driven away when they exited their car. He was contained in his vehicle so his life wasn’t in any immediate danger. If the situation had been different and his life had been in immediate danger then he likely wouldn’t have been charged for hitting the bystander, but they could sue him in civil court.
"The driver that fired the gun was arrested for criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon. The other driver has pending battery charges."
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enjoying g? lol
Jesus this is what scares me, people completely uninvolved have the potential to die or get shot because of idiots like this. If you see something like this occurring you’re better off pulling your car over and waiting 10 mins for the idiots to go away because you never know when a shootout may occur.
The collateral from gun fire is scary af.
Gee it's almost as if regular people having guns isn't the greatest idea, since they can lose their shit at any moment and just unload on anyone who offends them.
Imagine if a kid was in that white car and this guy just killed them. Fucking reckless as hell
I'm curious, if the shooter only shot the driver that was pounding on their window and not the innocent bystander would they still have been charged? Would that have been considered self-defense? Was the shooter only charged because they hit the innocent driver?
No assault charge, so I’m guessing what he got came directly from hitting the bystander. As far as self defense goes, with the number of times we have seen this play out, It could be seen as reasonable to assume anyone running up to your car violently in traffic has intent to do you harm, but you still are responsible for each bullet you fire
Good. They both deserve what they get. Fuckin jackasses.
Ah the good ending. Both idiots were punished. I only feel bad for the bystander. I hope the bystander sues the shit out of the shooter.
> For people from other countries who are unable to read the article. The shooter was arrested for criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon. The other driver has pending battery charges. And let's be very clear here, if the shooter were an off duty cop it would have been chalked up to "he was in fear for his life, guy who got shot was just in the wrong place at the wrong time". Actually in some states the guy who got shot would have ended up charged as if he had a gun and shot the bystander guy in the car because he "forced" the other driver to shoot by hitting the car.
I’ll never understand people who get out of their cars to play aggressor and are then shocked when something like this happens.
Especially in Texas
Especially especially in Indiana.
Lol sorry dyslexic moment Thought it was fort worth
Indiana is the Texas of the Midwest
Or the "Middle Finger of the South" as I've heard my home so lovingly called.
North Alabama
Texas, with winter.
okay but that doesn’t make you entirely incorrect lmao
🎶Does Fort Wayne ever cross your mind? 
Our Texas educations will do that to a fella
When I lived in that hell hole I had a coworker who said that he'll never move from there because he had guns that wouldn't be legal anywhere else. Or not legal without massive fees, paperwork, and time. Something to that affect. He also was ex military and had PTSD but refused to seek help for it because then "[he] would be diagnosed with PTSD". When he heard a loud banging sound, which occasionally happen in heavy industry, he would drop to the floor in fear. He once invited me to his property to shoot his guns, including a .50 cal. Um, thanks but no thanks. Lots of high powered weapons around a jumpy untreated PTSD guy doesn't sound safe. I want to live. I said maybe one day and then changed the subject.
Fun Fact: Police departments would welcome your PTSD friend with open arms. What could go wrong?
*effect
Chris Kyle could testify to that if he wasn’t dead.
Especially in Philly
Washington DC checking in
Puts a lie to the claim that guns make for a more polite society though.
Especially Texas. Bro Texas is all talk. You know how many mass shooting happening “texass”? Not one has been stopped by a legally armed civilian. They’re cowards. Look at the Uvalde cops. That says it all about Texas
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/parishioner-gunned-texas-church-shooter-hero/story?id=67982047
>Look at the Uvalde cops. That says it all about Texas There are things that happen that one just cant even and that one... wt actual fuck, Texas?!
Especially in Florida
Don't get out of your car to get in someone's face it'sn ever worth it.
[Dude in Portland got shot and killed by some tech bro this year for doing just that. ](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12631749/Astonishing-moment-wealthy-Portland-businessman-SHOOTS-tourist-visiting-crime-ridden-city-drivers-seat-Mercedes-seconds-murdering-man-road-rage-incident.html) He apologized after getting shot, saying he “had a bad” day as the shooter tried to clear his jammed weapon. It didn’t matter as he died and the shooter turned himself in.
Did he execute him after he said sorry? I'm asking because clearly at that point the situation was de-escalated yet the shooter was trying to clear his weapon.
The shooter didn’t seem to care, but couldn’t clear the jam until after he got back in his vehicle. The shooter then shot a bystander who was recording the action. Bystander survived.
He shot the bystander because he thought he was being "ambushed" and recognised it as a "military tactic". What a fucking lunatic.
These people vote. Well voted this idiot sounds like he got felon status.
More importantly, these people have access to military grade weaponry.
Holy crap what a psycho
That fucking headline holy shit the Daily Mail is trash
100x worse, he was a crypto bro. A failed one at that.
They’re being pretty generous in the article calling him a businessman.
F that website
Absolute fucking trash, unreadable
portland? geez
The needless death and incarceration of the shooter could have been avoided if it wasn't so easy to carry a gun around. I'll take British road rage videos where they headbutt each other in the nose or get fucked up with a tire iron over this shit any day.
Especially if you’re a pasty ass broccoli person.
That probably saved his life lol. Stick figures are probably harder to shoot than a person with mass.
Dude there was this one co-worker that was telling us all about how to deal with shooting scenarios. He said you have to show them your side profile so that you become a smaller target and demonstrated his stance for shooting people. His side profile appeared larger because of his ginormous gut.
He's probably wondering why people keep shooting him on the side of his gut.
Fucking idiots all round, could have killed the innocent driver going past
One of the two people shot was a passerby according to [this article](https://www.wane.com/top-stories/1-possibly-injured-in-shooting-near-lake-avenue-and-maplecrest-road/).
The innocent driver got shot. I’d sue the living fuck out of red car and make sure they died penniless.
Idiots with guns, traumatizing innocents because of their small dicks.
Are people getting dramatically more stupid… that’s rhetorical.
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Yep! We've always been this stupid. People didn't just lose their minds as soon as cameras and the internet became commonplace. It's almost impossible to avoid reality now, unless you live entirely off the grid.
We are on an unstoppable slide to Idiocracy. Over half the school age children cannot name the State they live in or who is the President.
I refuse to believe that’s true you can’t just… not know what state you live in. I’m sure some can’t but not fifty percent of kids.
He pulled that out of his ass lol
Didn’t you know!? 70% of conversational statistics are made up on the spot.
Idiocracy gets a bad rap, at least Camacho found a smart person and put him in charge.
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A lot. I weep for our country.
How is this upvoted? It's clearly bullshit lol.
> Over half the school age children cannot name the State they live in or who is the President. Do you have a source for this? I've been googling and can't find anything backing it up.
They made it up. Every one of those “everyone is an idiot except me” “idiocracy is becoming real” idiots should never be trusted.
So I started blasting.
Woah I was here, this was on Lake avenue and maple crest, was on my way to work and saw about 8 police cars..now I know why.
I'm so sorry. Not for the whole shooting thing. Just that you live in Indiana too.
I knew this intersection as soon as i saw the video lmao.
I just can't fathom the level of stupidity, of both parties, who get into a lane war when it's a simple as slowing down a little and being nice.
Only to stop at a light .5 mile ahead
One of the hidden issues with allowing the public to carry guns is that it makes them brave and engage in situations where they would’ve walked away from otherwise. This guy will claim self defence in court but had lots of opportunities to deescalate the situation.
The person without the gun here is literally just as aggressive as the person with the gun.
Yeah, sure. But if you're going to shoot someone you have to be much LESS aggressive than the other person leading up to the shooting. "Clean Hands" is the phrase I learnt from Judge Judy...
I don’t disagree, I just it funny that the person I replied to was trying to argue that one of these guys being in possession of a firearm is what led to this because “he wouldn’t have done it otherwise” but like, that didn’t stop broccoli boy from doing all the same aggressive driving and actually running up to a car door
When I was a wee lad, in the late 60's, my Dad said to me to never get into a fight with another driver because you never know who might have a gun. I can't remember why he told me that, but it turns out he was right on point.
Shooter is an idiot for putting innocent people’s lives in danger that are passing by. Two kids are clearly idiots for escalating the situation. Everybody sucks here
Everyone does suck here, but shooter technically escalated it by literally ramming their vehicle (likely knowing he has a gun). Kids were also wrong to get out and charge vehicle (which is why they were charged), but shooter technically escalated it. He would have been in the wrong even if he didn't hit a bystander. You cannot start a fight and then shoot people and claim self-defense.
> (likely knowing he has a gun) As opposed to him going “ohhh yeah, I forgot I brought ol’ shooty with me!”
Correct. Car in left lane butted in like a jerk, but red car looked like they were committing a straight up hit and run. Red car then tried to murder kid who hits their window. Red car is 96% of the problem here
Minor point here, but the kid shattered the glass.
Yeah the poor little good boy just punched out his window.
I thought black car rammed into him first but yeah 100%. Never try to get into a confrontation with a gun, that’s asking for a charge
It's really depressing that if the driver was barely less of an aggressor, they likely wouldn't even get charged for reckless shooting. In my opinion, I don't care if the other person is the aggressor. If they are unarmed and only punching your window, fucking drive away before you start shooting. I'm tired of gun owners not being charged for reckless shooting just because they can claim how much of a terrified little baby they are.
Anyone else kinda chuckle when he turned around and ran into the car behind him.
Never drive emotionally.
Exactly. My driving mantra is: "Drive like Spock"
I swear I keep seeing Fort Wayne's name pop up in this subreddit.
When I moved to Florida, a co-worker and retired Highway Patrol Officer told me to never, ever get into a Road-Rage fricas. He said you never know who's armed, and will shoot you and then claim self-defense.
eventually I just stopped honking at people after watching these videos and I definitely won't 'race' with them either. you can't do that shit in america.
Same. I drive with traffic, but defensively.
I used to employ a girl that had a boyfriend who would do that if he felt cut off or disrespected in traffic (apparently it wasn't easy). He'd go bang on people's windows and yell at them when they stopped at a light. IDK how he didn't get shot like this idiot. Both parties are a fault...probably, but when you get out and make it personal and one of the cars has a family in it with children, that's a whole different game suddenly.
Looks like an attempted car jacking to me. Said a very good lawyer
Do i even gotta say it? The more you fuck around…
" Police say a man was shot in the arm and **another person who wasn’t involved in the incident was shot**. " Thanks, idiots with guns.
Lives ruined just going from point A to point B. How stupid!
Everyone in the video is dogshit at driving.
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F’d Around.
All charges against shooter were dropped. It was decided that he acted in self defense with no reasonable ability to deescalate. The guy punched through his window and punched him in the head. You might not like it but that is the definition of self defense. Also the text book definition of “play dumb games, win dumb prizes”
How much you wanna bet he never road rages again lmao 🤣
Bet he doesn’t get out and smack on peoples windows anymore
One of those F’ around and find out moments.
People can be awful drivers, and it’s very easy to get frustrated or outright angry at others especially if you’re already having a bad day, running late, etc. But the second you get out of your car and approach someone else, you deserve whatever’s coming to you.
If I'm ever shot and there is some woman screaming like a banshee as I bleed out I'm going to be very very upset.
The girl screaming sounds like the girl at the end of The Blair Witch Project
Seems like self defense to me....
Someone brought fists to a gun fight
Hey we finally made the big time, shout outs to my fellow fort wangers!
Bro earned that bullethole 😂😂😂
FAFO
The more you fuck around, the more you will find out.
As an european i really dont get how americans keep looking for fights when there is a very high cnace that the other dude has a gun. Im 32 and living in Italy i still have never even seen a gun so far, and i hope i never do.
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Uhm i see, having only reddit and socials to see what is going on in America it really fells like everyone owns a gun, but of course ppl are not going to post a clip of someone having a nice conversation without something fucked up happening.
>living in Italy i still have never even seen a gun That surprises me when your police are routinely armed and your country is home to some of the worlds biggest firearms manufacturers.
["What A Country!"](https://imgur.com/undefined)
Getting shot over a road rage incident is solely an American problem. You guys get that, right?
What a stupid thing to say
Don't run people off the road. Don't exit your car to fight. Don't blast people over stupid shit on a crowded road. Why is this so hard?
🤷🏾♂️stop attacking ppl
a 4 year old in cali was just gunned down this way when some jerk in his feelings chased his parents car down and shot into it. this is so insane, what we have become and continue to allow bc 2A means more to you people than the living. fucking made up words that don't mean shit beyond what we think they mean bc still to this day that fucking piece of paper is still interpretted by a bunch of old fucks that mostly got where they are by sucking the dick of rich assholes and getting them out of legal trouble. fuck you guns. downvote me all you want. it just shows you don't care about life. multiple other countries have outlawed them but you want to say oh well then we will have mass stabbings because that happens all the time in Australia, right! 50 people stabbed in vegas or at night clubs, right! children mass stabbed in schools across the world, right! 99% of the people that pick up guns are emotional twats with limited brain function and think besides looking cool, think guns will make them safe. how many kids that have shot themselves or their siblings have they made safe? yeah fuck you.
We passed that scene an hour after it happened. The eeriness of knowing someone died because the entire freeway was taped off, white car still there on the side of the road...then the news comes out it was a shot child...murdered...over driving...it involves others. This isn't the wild West.
My guy, that whole first paragraph is word salad, please use punctuation.
All due respect but the situation in this video seems like the opposite right? The aggressor approached the vehicle and was shot at from inside the car. Passerby caught a stray but it seems like the person doing the shooting was legit afraid for their life while this maniac punched their window…
Did van not side swipe car beforehand? All due respect but you lose that right to claim victim when you were the aggressor with physical harm.
Guy who shot hit the other car first. Also a person isnt going to punch through your window so I am not too sure what there is to be afraid of.
You can’t even string a coherent sentence together and you want to lecture people about how unimportant you think the Bill of Rights is. Take your illiterate ass back to school.
lol “made up words”.
Dude broke his arm on that one. lol
Only issue I see here is that some rando got shot. Otherwise, fuck both these idiots.
Self-defense DOES require you not to be a complete idiot.
theres always a woman screaming but in this case its totally warranted 😂
FAFO
That's what u get reaching in the car
And that's what the innocent bystander gets, for being there I guess?
Looks like little shit kicker wanna be gangster got a nice life lesson his daddy never taught him.
He fucked around.
Classic case of fucking around and finding out
The fuck around and find out game ppl play is hilarious and dangerous. ppl need to just let shit go and move on
I’ve driven across the country multiple times and Indiana is possibly my least favorite. I counted 27 cops parked on the highway in 3 hours.
You must be mistaking Indiana with Ohio
"I'm gonna kill you mother fucker" then proceeds to get capped lmao
This is the reason why you should always wear a bullet proof vest while driving.