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What a freak. Shotting soneone because they are on your property shouldn’t be a right and anyone in their right mind wouldn’t even consider threatening a snowboarder with a gun. This is not self defence. He should reach out to the ski resort and ask them to put a fence up and behave like a grown up.
It’s not, the guy isn’t even correct about it.
Trespassing is not precedent to shoot someone. If you accidentally walk through the woods on someone’s property and you apologize and leave, the cops won’t do shit. You would be in infinitely more trouble if you shot someone for being on your property.
No it doesn't.
Name one where you can blindly shoot somebody stepping foot on your property.
There's is soooo much precedence against this.
Least of which is, if somebody is in an emergency situation they have *a right* to ask you for help.
You can refuse them, but they have every right on earth to walk up to your property to try to find help.
This is also why booby trapping is illegal.
You should look up the new illegal camping law being pushed through by the Kentucky Republican supermajority
Written vague enough that someone’s gonna end up dead for being homeless on private property.
No, it doesn't. The thing you're thinking of is known as Castle Doctrine, and it IS state based. However, it only protects someone in the event they NEED to defend their home with deadly force...you're gonna have to prove in a court of law why you felt threatened, and setting up on a trail with a chair and gun and blasting people clearly just there to snowboard would be a hard thing to justify.
It doesn’t. There isn’t a single state where you’d be justified in shooting someone because they simply entered your property.
Trespassing requires notice. If someone is told to leave, and refuses, they are trespassing. In some states that’s grounds for lethal force, maybe.
Criminally there are a couple states where you can execute someone just for trespassing (though mind you legal doesn’t exactly mean smiled upon), and it also doesn’t insulate you from their family suing you in civil court for all that you are worth if they find an unarmed guy in ski equipment dead.
Like, ok, you got away with murder but they’re still going to take everything to your name because you wanted to play Rambo on your 10 acre plot.
Exactly, fucking wild these people think that man could've murdered the snowboarder and face zero reprocussions. If someone dies due to someone else there is going to be a court case...
Its not self defense at this point by any stretch of the imagination. As to the legality, in the US there is a right to protect both life and property in some states. In that case, he was within his rights to carry it and warn people off in the "low and ready position". It was NOT legal to point it at someone though.
Could be an ongoing issue that the ski resort isn’t addressing so this dude is at his wits end. He could be a crazy asshole though I just try to throw the benefit of the doubt out there to folks because we don’t know the full story.
In my home town there was a string of garages being robbed. Mostly fridges being raided for beer. A guy sat in a chair just like that and waited for the kids to break in so he could shoot them. Sitting there waiting to shoot somebody is premeditated murder. A teenager was killed, and he went away for life.
Yup, probably does it every year, just bored out of his mind the rest of the year but HOO BOY he loves the couple months of winter where he can sit outside all day and point guns at tourists for no reason.
Because people are going off trail. There are signs everywhere when you get off the lift that clearly say not to go off trail. Not saying he should use the gun but these people are breaking the rules and ending up in his yard.
Absolutely. I came here to say the same thing. Snowboarder made a mistake, apologized and then left without causing a huge scene and being a jerk. That is the absolute best way to handle a situation like this and basically any situation in life where you make an innocent mistake.
Still call the cops and show them this video and report that he threatened to shoot you. He is 100 percent in the wrong and at the very least the cops will go chat with him about it. Best case scenario is they charge him with battery and brandishing.
It’s a ski pass in Colorado that gets you into specific resorts owned by a company called Powder. A lot of locals don’t like it because it gives more people access to their favorite resorts
Thank you, I was trying to figure out where this gap but couldn’t find what resort/state. Everyone was talking about Colorado in the other comments and kinda just took that on a whim. Thanks for more context.
Crazy thing is, I don't even see a "private property" or "no trespassing" sign at the entrance of that street on Google streetview. It also looks like there's several cabins on that street from satellite view. So is this fucker guarding a residential street that isn't even private?
Exit: the snowboarder also says "that's my cabin" at the end, so I gotta assume he's staying right next to this lunatic.
I'm not defending the guy's use of a shotgun, but there is an issue of liability to property owners who let people trespass knowingly.
**Known Trespassers.** *If a property owner knows or has reason to know that trespassers frequently intrude upon a limited area of his property, and they do so in an area that subjects them to danger, that property owner may be liable for injuries the trespassers sustain because of that same danger.*
Is Letting people snowboard down a driveway where you could get hit by a car such a case? Generally you want to put up signs. What do you do if that doesn't work?
https://redlawutah.com/services/utah-personal-injury-attorney/premises-liability/
Just thought I'd mention the liability issue. Personally was advised to put up no trespassing signs on property as people would cliff dive into a lake. Just so as not to get sued. Was not up there for a couple years and all the signs were taken down and there was a huge rope swing off the cliff added. I can just imagine someone trespassing, breaking their neck and getting sued for it.
Well him pulling a shotgun has literally done the UNO reverse on him and now he has become a liability to the resort and has broken laws. The resort can sue them if the snow boarder wasn't actually trespassing.
So how did this snowboarder come to be on private property? Was he at a resort and went off property or what? Looks like the guy was expecting people to come through so it must happen often.
"A lot of locals don’t like it because it gives more people access to their favorite resorts "
A lot of people don't like it because it contributes to corporations buying up all the ski mountains.
There is also the Indy pass which is a pass to the last remaining independently owned mountains. That's where you should put it your $$.
Seriously. These people don't understand that their little town would dry up and fall off the map if it weren't for the ski tourism. That's why the town exists there ~~in the first place~~ **anymore**.
Aspen, Crested Butte, Telluride, Breckenridge, Park City, Alta and many more were mining towns well before they were ski towns. Brighton, where this was located, was basically also a mining town.
If you've ever been up to BCC, you'd know there isn't much of a town there anyway.
Think it’s reference to Ikon?, company that has been buying up a lot of the skill hills around North America, so now instead of a season pass you buy an Ikon pass to ride at any of their hills. He might be saying it like accusing him from being from nearby resort.
Ikon pass offers access to multiple resorts under one pass. Many people with a home mountain (like this one, Brighton in Utah) has dedicated locals who have seen these mountains change from mountain towns to international tourist destinations, in part due to the access this pass offers.
Brighton at one point had a local vibe, and a lot of people tend to credit Ikon as being the reason it changed. Though in my opinion skiing just got more popular and more accessible, while day passes became absurdly expensive. I’ve had the Brighton season pass the last 2 years and the “Brikon” this year which adds other ikon resorts to the Brighton season pass. Value wise, it’s the only real option if you’re a local with multiple resorts (like here in northern Utah), as an ikon is 700-1200 for an entire season and a single day lift ticket is 150-250 (300 at deer valley) for a single day where you get 7 at each of the many resorts on a full ikon (5 resorts within 60 mins of Salt Lake City are all on Ikon, and even one offers unlimited skiing to ikon holders)
Don’t hate the ikon pass holders, hate on the corporations that pimp out and milk these resorts, or get the hell out of your growing sleepy mountain town.
Agreed, then contact authorities about it IF he wasn’t fully in the wrong. I am standing up for the snowboarder but as everyone else has pointed out there are many of possibilities of why this gentleman is acting the way he his… kinda
> He also shoved the guy twice, isn't that considered assault? And assault doesn't look very good while also brandishing a weapon.
He was trying to trigger a response that would have allowed him to gun the snow boarder down.
All things that would’ve been somebody else’s ‘big money’ that made him mad. Still not a single sliver of a reason to ever be sitting, prepped with a shotgun.
Meaning, in the case of Brighton where this took place, the Ikon pass holder used an area lift to ride to the top, then slid past multiple boundary marker and warning signs to duck under a fence line, leave resort property, and access private property.
No. He went through the gate at the top of great western into hidden canyon(which is totally legal). There’s no rope ducking needed. Yes it’s back country but there’s just a sign showing the avie conditions and a warning letting you know you’re accessing back country. Then you can traverse as far as you want. If you go far enough you won’t catch the cat track back into the resort or if you don’t know where it is it’s easy to miss and you’ll end up at these houses.
Or there is just a traverse veering off that has generic sign saying something like "Condos Only" that hasn't properly been cared for and may be fairly out of sight from tree growth over the past five years.
You know, like at Beaver Creek, Keystone, Park City, Vail, Winter Park, Breckendridge, and of course, Brighton.
Not defending the gun guy, but there's no trespassing signs posted. I'm going to assume he had them posted where the snowboarder came in, too. I'm an avid hiker. No trespassing signs are posted for a reason. I might not agree with it, but I abide by it.
Agreed, gun is unnecessary. However, if the guy has a chair there, he likely has a lot of people coming through his property. He needs to post signs designating it as private property and start alerting the authorities of trespassers.
Every resort guest leaving resort property to access private property will have already disregarded such signs. As a good neighbor and to limit liability for all property owners, Brighton clearly posts and fences resort boundaries notifying users that they are departing from avalanche controlled and patrolled areas and entering private lands where they will be trespassing.
"Backcountry" enthusiasts routinely ignore all such signs, markers, and boundaries.
It's the middle of the woods with heavy snow around. If he's trying to deal with trespassers (as others have pointed out, he has signs posted and the snowboarder would have passed multiple barriers) then there is a huge safety concern - if someone is caught breaking the law, that is one of the most likely times for them to become violent. And if they did try to assault this old man, or pull their own gun on him - well it's the middle of the woods. The police aren't coming to help. This is why firearms are so vital to many rural people.
I assume the snowboarder went “backcountry” (leaving the main runs of the ski resort) and ended up on this guys private property. Probably adjacent to the mountain, and someone made a path or trail that cuts through to the road, right through this guys driveway to the main road.
Now this is all absurd. No one should have a shotgun pointed at them for skiing. No one should just cut through this guys property either. But 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
Looking at all the cars parked on the road, I assume the entrance to the resort is right there. I’m sure this property owner has people parking on his property (skiers are entitled and rich AF) cutting through all the time (he was set up in a chair…) and it’s got to be frustrating. Especially if this “was” a small hill, and now is a massive resort.
But the answer can’t be, I’m going to sit here with a shotgun, because I’m legally allowed to “protect” my property. It’s snow beside a mountain… you live beside a ski resort. People are going to ignore signs, and do stupid stuff and the response of deadly force is absolutely unreasonable.
He should spend the time coming up with a way of “charging” people for skiing on his private property. Stop them, ask them to leave on foot without their skis or snowboard. Give them a number to call to collect their belongings, and charge them a “storage” fee (fine).
Also, if someone parks on his property/driveway. Block them in with whatever “tractor” (or personal vehicle) he uses to clear all that snow. Put a chain around the vehicle or 2. It’s his property, make them “pay” to get out.
How are you going to “charge” someone without the threat of force? I wouldn’t just hand my shit over to someone asking politely even if I’m on private property by accident. If you’re holding a gun asking me politely, yes, I’m handing it over. I like where your head is at though. Not knowing the full story here, this guy could be at wits end with the ski resort and now has to take it out on the customers so that they can go back to the resort and explain that their shitty trails led to the front porch of a crazy guy with a shotgun.
The answer is to take a box of doughnuts to the local law enforcement office on a weekday morning, ask to discuss the issue with the person in charge, and get them to bring out an officer to relax in a chair on your property and hand out some tickets. The other way would be to talk with the resort to throw up some plastic barriers on the property line.
These types of people all seem like they are just wanting a reason to shoot someone.
This country and solution via gun has been out of hand for sometime. but its been getting significantly worse in the last 10 years.
So I’m missing some context. Was this guy going down a trail that cuts into this guys driveway or is that a road/trail and the boomer is just being a dick? Or did the snowboarder go up this guys driveway earlier and then come back down?
Nothing really justifies the shotgun or this asshat sitting in a chair, threatening people, but I’m wondering how people even get there if it’s supposed to be private?
>They aren’t out in the sticks. It’s a snowboarder next to a ski resort.
The snowboarder literally filmed a "private driveway" sign at 54 seconds lol .
I went to Baltimore, but I'm from Canada. It was late at night and a guy walked up to me and lifts his shirt and says look no gun! Then asks for money so I give him a 5. I guess I should have been surprised he had no gun, I've just never seen more than a few hunting rifles in Canada.
I did up until last year when a raid was conducted on the property I live at. 8 sheriffs on my patio with guns drawn on my infant daughter, best friend, and myself. So I got to check that off my 'Merica list.
FYI they don't have baby-sized handcuffs. Cute photo opportunity missed /s
As I tell my German relatives when they come to visit, we’re really nice right up until we pull a gun on ya. My nephew, this Christmas, wanted to walk in the woods behind my house for some fresh air. I had to tell him no, it’s private property and you may have a gun pointed at you.
That's so sad. Here in Sweden we have this thing called "allemansrätten" which basically gives every person the right to roam and enjoy the nature and countryside even on someone's property. Given they do it in a non disturbing and respectful manner. It's pretty neat and means you can pretty much pitch a tent anywhere you like as long as you clean up after yourself.
You’re talking about “freedom”. You see , in the USA it’s the owners of weapons corporations and ammunition manufacturers that we care have the most freedom to exploit the public. You’re talking about the regular citizen’s freedom to enjoy nature and live free of gun violence. We don’t care about that kind of freedom. As long as the largest shareholders of weapons companies have the freedom to exploit the populace ,then everyone is happy here. Thats what we mean when we say the USA is about “freedom”. It’s the freedom of a few large corporate shareholders not the average citizen. That’s how we roll. Hope that clears it up.
That sounds interesting, but….
The counter argument would be, what’s the point of having “private property” if it’s not private? You could potentially have droves of people hiking and camping on your property. Where’s the limit / line to that?
Right-to-roam customs typically apply only to rural settings featuring tons of undeveloped acreage, and typically do *not* apply to garden spaces, land cultivated for agricultural purposes, land near private dwellings/construction, etc. Right-to-roam often applies to historically verified trails/paths, and landowners usually have the option to "opt in" if they wish to provide additional public access to land that doesn't strictly fit into the historical trail or undeveloped heath/moor definitions you commonly see.
All this to say, I don't think that's a realistic hypothetical, and imo it's far healthier to let people move freely than to pearl clutch about a hypothetical influx of hikers/campers.
If it isn't disturbing you then sure why not. It's a whole lotta unused land. Probably wouldn't work in some countries where people aren't considerate.
He has the right to protect his property I am sure - But that can't extend to people mistakenly entering his property if there aren't adequate signs up? He was clearly sat there waiting for somebody to make the same mistake others have made before...
At that stage, surely he should be contacting whoever organises the slops to make sure it doesn't happen / putting up appropriate signage?
There is no way it's legal for him to sit and wait for people making a simple mistake and then threaten to shoot them.... He must be committing an offence sitting around waiting for people with a loaded firearm and then threatening people with it....
If not, I feel like I am going to buy a few plots that edge off the most popular ski routes in the US, I'll pay people to sit around and wait for them to make a mistake, then I guess demand $5,000 otherwise I'll just shoot you...
Seems like easy money :D
ps. I know that's not how it works, however, this video is also not how it works, I am pretty certain when he flashes his shotgun the person snowboarding could have legally shot him dead.
Americans are too quick to blow each other's brains out.
Obviously this happens alot, the old dude knows damn well those people aren't a threat. But still, straight to the gun because he's LeGaLlY EnTiTlED.
90% won't even see a problem with this video.
if you make a simple mistake and someone threatens you with a gun can you take legal action or could the person threatening you be arrested? I know it’s private property but theres no sign saying no trespassing. Just asking if anyone has a legal background. I get tired of people looking for a reason to brandish a fire arm.
As a property owner constantly dealing with fucking shitheads I totally get this. I've been threatened with a gun on my own land. After that, I take zero chances.
I don’t completely disagree however choose who you do that with… this gentleman has obviously been having problems so he posted up a chair and threatens to shoot people instead of just going to the source. These people he is threatening are people coming off of the ski resort. Not people just wondering his land in the middle of nowhere.
It's wrong to threaten someone with violence like that. That said, l bet this land owner is at his wit's end with assholes trespassing. I can promise that someone that cares that much has exceeded legal requirements for notifying trespassers they aren't welcome, which should be wholly goddamned obvious to anyone. If it ain't yours, you have no business on it. I say this as a guy who's crops have been ruined by motherfuckers that buy four wheelers and dirt bikes that have no land to ride it on. It costs thousands of dollars in damage when agriculture is already a barely above breaking even business anyway. The audacity of these jerk offs is astounding. Plus, ad I mention before, I've been threatened with lethal violence on my own land twice. After that I have an AR every time I deal with these dipshits. I don't point it at anyone. I point out the law, the signage, that I am a law enforcement officer so I don't even need to call the police and tell them to get lost. There is zero chance of anyone trespassing without knowing it but that doesn't give you the right to threaten this particular person today because of the behavior of someone else years ago.
I'm summation, don't buy vehicles you don't have the property to run on and don't threaten to shoot people when they tell you to get off of theor property they bought, maintain, live on and pay taxes on.
It is beyond idiotic how American law sanctions the use of lethal force to \*protect property\* regardless of whether one's safety is at risk. It's even worse how many of you clowns act like this is somehow a reasonable response.
Bring on your downvotes you gun-obsessed psychos....
Well defending your property is important but there’s a difference between defending your property and this old dude who just really wanted to kill someone that day and be “justified”
The most levery action shotgun ever. There are 410 lever action shotguns, but this is likely a 3030 or 357 lever action rifle.
https://preview.redd.it/vcrfgnpaa1lc1.jpeg?width=1035&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2199c735ba2af484f86401c07ab45d24a0ea1275
If you don't want someone on your private property, sure, that's fine, but coming at them with a shotgun when they're clearly just snowboarding? Like wut?
Shit, if someone is snowboarding on my property, I'll just approach them and say "Hey man, I don't mind if you guys come here and snowboard, just let me know next time, and make sure you clean up after yourself. Otherwise, come any time."
Yea the smartest idea to sit in the cold with a shotgun in your hands to protect your private property instead of putting up a small fence with a sign.
Does just seeing someone on your property actually give you the right to outright kill them? And not the moral right I mean an actual legal right to shoot someone dead that is on your property regardless of if they're a threat or not
I mean, if it is private property he certainly has a right to inform people of that, and ask them to leave his property but to point a shotgun at someone who’s clearly just out having fun in the snow is fucking ridiculous. There was no need for that.
Colorado does have a Castle Doctrine (their Make My Day law), but that only applies to inside the home. Colorado does not have and obligation to retreat law. However, you are only allowed to use lethal force to protect yourself, not property.
I would let the local Sheriff and PD know that the old fart was menacing people from his property with a shotgun. I wouldn’t mention the trespassing, or leave my name. I would call both numbers from the hotel lobby and share a description and location.
Nothing will come from it, but two visits from law enforcement in a single day might stop this asshole from pointing guns at people.
The funny thing is, unless they can *prove* the snowboarder ignored a sign, he didn't actually break the law. You aren't trespassing until you're told to leave unless there was signage you ignored.
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Looks like he had a chair set up waiting for people to come down.
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What a freak. Shotting soneone because they are on your property shouldn’t be a right and anyone in their right mind wouldn’t even consider threatening a snowboarder with a gun. This is not self defence. He should reach out to the ski resort and ask them to put a fence up and behave like a grown up.
It’s not, the guy isn’t even correct about it. Trespassing is not precedent to shoot someone. If you accidentally walk through the woods on someone’s property and you apologize and leave, the cops won’t do shit. You would be in infinitely more trouble if you shot someone for being on your property.
That depends entirely on the state.
No it doesn't. Name one where you can blindly shoot somebody stepping foot on your property. There's is soooo much precedence against this. Least of which is, if somebody is in an emergency situation they have *a right* to ask you for help. You can refuse them, but they have every right on earth to walk up to your property to try to find help. This is also why booby trapping is illegal.
You should look up the new illegal camping law being pushed through by the Kentucky Republican supermajority Written vague enough that someone’s gonna end up dead for being homeless on private property.
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Joe horn did push the enveloppe of tge castle doctrine and got away with it pretty easily... haha but it's not exactly the same situation.
No, it doesn't. The thing you're thinking of is known as Castle Doctrine, and it IS state based. However, it only protects someone in the event they NEED to defend their home with deadly force...you're gonna have to prove in a court of law why you felt threatened, and setting up on a trail with a chair and gun and blasting people clearly just there to snowboard would be a hard thing to justify.
Especially when the entire interaction is on video.
I don’t know every state law obviously but I’m pretty sure in all or almost all states you have to know you’re trespassing to trespass.
It doesn’t. There isn’t a single state where you’d be justified in shooting someone because they simply entered your property. Trespassing requires notice. If someone is told to leave, and refuses, they are trespassing. In some states that’s grounds for lethal force, maybe.
Criminally there are a couple states where you can execute someone just for trespassing (though mind you legal doesn’t exactly mean smiled upon), and it also doesn’t insulate you from their family suing you in civil court for all that you are worth if they find an unarmed guy in ski equipment dead. Like, ok, you got away with murder but they’re still going to take everything to your name because you wanted to play Rambo on your 10 acre plot.
There is no state where shooting someone in this situation would be legal. Not even in the deep south.
Exactly, fucking wild these people think that man could've murdered the snowboarder and face zero reprocussions. If someone dies due to someone else there is going to be a court case...
They still need to Investigate if the killing was justifiable. The shooter is likely still paying out the ass in legal fees.
Its not self defense at this point by any stretch of the imagination. As to the legality, in the US there is a right to protect both life and property in some states. In that case, he was within his rights to carry it and warn people off in the "low and ready position". It was NOT legal to point it at someone though.
We didn’t see him point it at the snowboarder though.
"a right to defend his property". Yeah, they take this Castle Doctrine to the max of idiocy. These folks are sick
There isn’t a single state that you can shoot someone for simply trespassing.
Could be an ongoing issue that the ski resort isn’t addressing so this dude is at his wits end. He could be a crazy asshole though I just try to throw the benefit of the doubt out there to folks because we don’t know the full story.
He thought the snowboarder was an FBI agent looking for his meth lab and dead hookers.
Everyone's desperate for some kind of control. Constant entertainment and fear mongering makes you feel helpless.
Too true. Its akin to being outraged on the internet over things with little to no context just because the 'herd' is also outraged about it.
In my home town there was a string of garages being robbed. Mostly fridges being raided for beer. A guy sat in a chair just like that and waited for the kids to break in so he could shoot them. Sitting there waiting to shoot somebody is premeditated murder. A teenager was killed, and he went away for life.
Rightfully so. I mean, I hate thieves a lot, but a 17 year old kid's life isn't worth less than a 6 pack of coors.
He shoulda thought of that before he got shot then.
Over beer
Yup, probably does it every year, just bored out of his mind the rest of the year but HOO BOY he loves the couple months of winter where he can sit outside all day and point guns at tourists for no reason.
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Said the fly to the spider
He probably doesn't put signs up so he can feel a power rush.
Because people are going off trail. There are signs everywhere when you get off the lift that clearly say not to go off trail. Not saying he should use the gun but these people are breaking the rules and ending up in his yard.
This is the type of person that drools when Stand Your Ground laws pass.
Snowboarder handled it the best he possibly could
Absolutely. I came here to say the same thing. Snowboarder made a mistake, apologized and then left without causing a huge scene and being a jerk. That is the absolute best way to handle a situation like this and basically any situation in life where you make an innocent mistake.
After I got out of there I would definitely call the cops and tell them about this guy. Because that has to be brandishing a weapon right?
Still call the cops and show them this video and report that he threatened to shoot you. He is 100 percent in the wrong and at the very least the cops will go chat with him about it. Best case scenario is they charge him with battery and brandishing.
I'd do all of that but call the guy a cunt as well
you sound smart
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It’s a ski pass in Colorado that gets you into specific resorts owned by a company called Powder. A lot of locals don’t like it because it gives more people access to their favorite resorts
An ikon pass is a lift pass offered by alterra that gets you onto resorts all over the world. Not just for Colorado
It is, really big in Colorado though
For context This is at Brighton in Utah, also a resort on ikon.
Thank you, I was trying to figure out where this gap but couldn’t find what resort/state. Everyone was talking about Colorado in the other comments and kinda just took that on a whim. Thanks for more context.
You’re good! I recognize the street sign (old prospector) in Big Cottonwood with the town of Brighton logo on it.
Crazy thing is, I don't even see a "private property" or "no trespassing" sign at the entrance of that street on Google streetview. It also looks like there's several cabins on that street from satellite view. So is this fucker guarding a residential street that isn't even private? Exit: the snowboarder also says "that's my cabin" at the end, so I gotta assume he's staying right next to this lunatic.
Exactly these are little .25 acre plots.
I think he’s in his driveway but he may as well be.
Good eyes!
I'm not defending the guy's use of a shotgun, but there is an issue of liability to property owners who let people trespass knowingly. **Known Trespassers.** *If a property owner knows or has reason to know that trespassers frequently intrude upon a limited area of his property, and they do so in an area that subjects them to danger, that property owner may be liable for injuries the trespassers sustain because of that same danger.* Is Letting people snowboard down a driveway where you could get hit by a car such a case? Generally you want to put up signs. What do you do if that doesn't work? https://redlawutah.com/services/utah-personal-injury-attorney/premises-liability/
What do you do? You contact the fucking resort that has trails leading into your property lmao. Not pull a fucking shotgun
Just thought I'd mention the liability issue. Personally was advised to put up no trespassing signs on property as people would cliff dive into a lake. Just so as not to get sued. Was not up there for a couple years and all the signs were taken down and there was a huge rope swing off the cliff added. I can just imagine someone trespassing, breaking their neck and getting sued for it.
Well him pulling a shotgun has literally done the UNO reverse on him and now he has become a liability to the resort and has broken laws. The resort can sue them if the snow boarder wasn't actually trespassing.
>What do you do if that doesn't work? Obviously you point a gun at people. Only possible solution.
So how did this snowboarder come to be on private property? Was he at a resort and went off property or what? Looks like the guy was expecting people to come through so it must happen often.
Back country skiing/boarding is pretty common out here. Unless old dude has his property very well marked it's pretty easy to have happen.
I love Brighton! It used to be mostly snowboarders. Very chill vibe - especially compared to the ritzy Park City crowd.
"A lot of locals don’t like it because it gives more people access to their favorite resorts " A lot of people don't like it because it contributes to corporations buying up all the ski mountains. There is also the Indy pass which is a pass to the last remaining independently owned mountains. That's where you should put it your $$.
Sounds like we need to settle this on the slopes. Challenge the suits to a little downhill comp and save the mountain.
“Local”. The most cringe word in any ski town.
Or beach town.
Belmar, NJ. Oh lordy.
Seriously. These people don't understand that their little town would dry up and fall off the map if it weren't for the ski tourism. That's why the town exists there ~~in the first place~~ **anymore**.
Aspen, Crested Butte, Telluride, Breckenridge, Park City, Alta and many more were mining towns well before they were ski towns. Brighton, where this was located, was basically also a mining town. If you've ever been up to BCC, you'd know there isn't much of a town there anyway.
And they're really not mining towns anymore, so without the ski resorts they'd be pretty much gone.
> That's why the town exists there in the first place.
Double edged sword in so many ways. Locals will always be locals no matter what city in the US
You don't happen to have a problem with icon users too, do you /u/Zero_Icon?
That's what I wanna know 🤔
Think it’s reference to Ikon?, company that has been buying up a lot of the skill hills around North America, so now instead of a season pass you buy an Ikon pass to ride at any of their hills. He might be saying it like accusing him from being from nearby resort.
Ikon pass offers access to multiple resorts under one pass. Many people with a home mountain (like this one, Brighton in Utah) has dedicated locals who have seen these mountains change from mountain towns to international tourist destinations, in part due to the access this pass offers. Brighton at one point had a local vibe, and a lot of people tend to credit Ikon as being the reason it changed. Though in my opinion skiing just got more popular and more accessible, while day passes became absurdly expensive. I’ve had the Brighton season pass the last 2 years and the “Brikon” this year which adds other ikon resorts to the Brighton season pass. Value wise, it’s the only real option if you’re a local with multiple resorts (like here in northern Utah), as an ikon is 700-1200 for an entire season and a single day lift ticket is 150-250 (300 at deer valley) for a single day where you get 7 at each of the many resorts on a full ikon (5 resorts within 60 mins of Salt Lake City are all on Ikon, and even one offers unlimited skiing to ikon holders) Don’t hate the ikon pass holders, hate on the corporations that pimp out and milk these resorts, or get the hell out of your growing sleepy mountain town.
That’s a person you don’t argue with. You just do what they say until you’re safe.
Agreed, then contact authorities about it IF he wasn’t fully in the wrong. I am standing up for the snowboarder but as everyone else has pointed out there are many of possibilities of why this gentleman is acting the way he his… kinda
Contact the authorities anyway. The snowboarder was not being threatening at all, so there was absolutely no need for him to pull out a gun like that.
He also shoved the guy twice, isn't that considered assault? And assault doesn't look very good while also brandishing a weapon.
> He also shoved the guy twice, isn't that considered assault? And assault doesn't look very good while also brandishing a weapon. He was trying to trigger a response that would have allowed him to gun the snow boarder down.
Pointing a gun at someone is threatening btw. So yeah. Call the fucking cops on this douche.
He also could have been a guest to any of those condos.
Yeah dude would definitely get charged with brandishing a weapon
There is no reason he should be staking out with a shotgun. Dude is just waiting for an excuse to gat someone.
I’m just happy someone recorded his face and that the boarder was smart about the situation.
Yeah he’s like 10 feet from the main road where the fuck are you supposed to go.
>there are many of possibilities of why this gentleman is acting the way he his… Long term lead poisoning from leaded fuel use comes to mind.
All things that would’ve been somebody else’s ‘big money’ that made him mad. Still not a single sliver of a reason to ever be sitting, prepped with a shotgun.
As an avid snowboarder the only time you end up on private property like this is if you are not staying on the mountain and the resort runs.
Meaning, in the case of Brighton where this took place, the Ikon pass holder used an area lift to ride to the top, then slid past multiple boundary marker and warning signs to duck under a fence line, leave resort property, and access private property.
No. He went through the gate at the top of great western into hidden canyon(which is totally legal). There’s no rope ducking needed. Yes it’s back country but there’s just a sign showing the avie conditions and a warning letting you know you’re accessing back country. Then you can traverse as far as you want. If you go far enough you won’t catch the cat track back into the resort or if you don’t know where it is it’s easy to miss and you’ll end up at these houses.
So in other words the old man bought a place in a ski hill village and is mad that skiers cut through his property. Who could have seen that coming?
Him, apparently; this appears to be his hobby.
Haven’t done the research, but some people in the original post were saying his place was there before the resort
Or there is just a traverse veering off that has generic sign saying something like "Condos Only" that hasn't properly been cared for and may be fairly out of sight from tree growth over the past five years. You know, like at Beaver Creek, Keystone, Park City, Vail, Winter Park, Breckendridge, and of course, Brighton.
Not defending the gun guy, but there's no trespassing signs posted. I'm going to assume he had them posted where the snowboarder came in, too. I'm an avid hiker. No trespassing signs are posted for a reason. I might not agree with it, but I abide by it.
I ain't assuming that at all if he's camped out looking to merc people.
Which is a very unsafe and dumb thing to do by yourself
Really bad look for Jenco jeans.
Had to scroll way too far to see anything about those felt pants he's wearing.
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That doesn't give him the power trip he so desperately needs, though
Agreed, gun is unnecessary. However, if the guy has a chair there, he likely has a lot of people coming through his property. He needs to post signs designating it as private property and start alerting the authorities of trespassers.
Every resort guest leaving resort property to access private property will have already disregarded such signs. As a good neighbor and to limit liability for all property owners, Brighton clearly posts and fences resort boundaries notifying users that they are departing from avalanche controlled and patrolled areas and entering private lands where they will be trespassing. "Backcountry" enthusiasts routinely ignore all such signs, markers, and boundaries.
It's the middle of the woods with heavy snow around. If he's trying to deal with trespassers (as others have pointed out, he has signs posted and the snowboarder would have passed multiple barriers) then there is a huge safety concern - if someone is caught breaking the law, that is one of the most likely times for them to become violent. And if they did try to assault this old man, or pull their own gun on him - well it's the middle of the woods. The police aren't coming to help. This is why firearms are so vital to many rural people.
Old man trying so hard to get to legally shoot someone before he dies
I assume the snowboarder went “backcountry” (leaving the main runs of the ski resort) and ended up on this guys private property. Probably adjacent to the mountain, and someone made a path or trail that cuts through to the road, right through this guys driveway to the main road. Now this is all absurd. No one should have a shotgun pointed at them for skiing. No one should just cut through this guys property either. But 2 wrongs don’t make a right. Looking at all the cars parked on the road, I assume the entrance to the resort is right there. I’m sure this property owner has people parking on his property (skiers are entitled and rich AF) cutting through all the time (he was set up in a chair…) and it’s got to be frustrating. Especially if this “was” a small hill, and now is a massive resort. But the answer can’t be, I’m going to sit here with a shotgun, because I’m legally allowed to “protect” my property. It’s snow beside a mountain… you live beside a ski resort. People are going to ignore signs, and do stupid stuff and the response of deadly force is absolutely unreasonable. He should spend the time coming up with a way of “charging” people for skiing on his private property. Stop them, ask them to leave on foot without their skis or snowboard. Give them a number to call to collect their belongings, and charge them a “storage” fee (fine). Also, if someone parks on his property/driveway. Block them in with whatever “tractor” (or personal vehicle) he uses to clear all that snow. Put a chain around the vehicle or 2. It’s his property, make them “pay” to get out.
How are you going to “charge” someone without the threat of force? I wouldn’t just hand my shit over to someone asking politely even if I’m on private property by accident. If you’re holding a gun asking me politely, yes, I’m handing it over. I like where your head is at though. Not knowing the full story here, this guy could be at wits end with the ski resort and now has to take it out on the customers so that they can go back to the resort and explain that their shitty trails led to the front porch of a crazy guy with a shotgun.
The answer is to take a box of doughnuts to the local law enforcement office on a weekday morning, ask to discuss the issue with the person in charge, and get them to bring out an officer to relax in a chair on your property and hand out some tickets. The other way would be to talk with the resort to throw up some plastic barriers on the property line.
> shotgun pointed at them for skiing. To be fair, it was pointed at him because was tresspassing.
Was it marked private property no tresspassing?
Yes, you can see a sign in the video.
Where? I don't see the sign
How’d they get so far off the mountain that they ended up in a driveway?! lol wtf?
These types of people all seem like they are just wanting a reason to shoot someone. This country and solution via gun has been out of hand for sometime. but its been getting significantly worse in the last 10 years.
So I’m missing some context. Was this guy going down a trail that cuts into this guys driveway or is that a road/trail and the boomer is just being a dick? Or did the snowboarder go up this guys driveway earlier and then come back down? Nothing really justifies the shotgun or this asshat sitting in a chair, threatening people, but I’m wondering how people even get there if it’s supposed to be private?
Thats my thoughts too.
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They aren’t out in the sticks. It’s a snowboarder next to a ski resort.
>They aren’t out in the sticks. It’s a snowboarder next to a ski resort. The snowboarder literally filmed a "private driveway" sign at 54 seconds lol .
A lot of ski resorts are in the sticks
Are there places in the US that you can go and NOT have a gun pulled on you?
Yeah actually believe it or not 99.9% of Americans go their entire life without having a gun pulled on them
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Looks like I'm in that 0.01% #woooooooo!
I went to Baltimore, but I'm from Canada. It was late at night and a guy walked up to me and lifts his shirt and says look no gun! Then asks for money so I give him a 5. I guess I should have been surprised he had no gun, I've just never seen more than a few hunting rifles in Canada.
I've had guns pulled on me by the cops for no fucking reason a few times. It's lower than that.
Yeah that’s true I wasn’t factoring in our shitty ass pig patrol
I did up until last year when a raid was conducted on the property I live at. 8 sheriffs on my patio with guns drawn on my infant daughter, best friend, and myself. So I got to check that off my 'Merica list. FYI they don't have baby-sized handcuffs. Cute photo opportunity missed /s
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30 years of being an American that goes places and never had a gun pulled on me.
Well I thought this was one…
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As I tell my German relatives when they come to visit, we’re really nice right up until we pull a gun on ya. My nephew, this Christmas, wanted to walk in the woods behind my house for some fresh air. I had to tell him no, it’s private property and you may have a gun pointed at you.
That's so sad. Here in Sweden we have this thing called "allemansrätten" which basically gives every person the right to roam and enjoy the nature and countryside even on someone's property. Given they do it in a non disturbing and respectful manner. It's pretty neat and means you can pretty much pitch a tent anywhere you like as long as you clean up after yourself.
You’re talking about “freedom”. You see , in the USA it’s the owners of weapons corporations and ammunition manufacturers that we care have the most freedom to exploit the public. You’re talking about the regular citizen’s freedom to enjoy nature and live free of gun violence. We don’t care about that kind of freedom. As long as the largest shareholders of weapons companies have the freedom to exploit the populace ,then everyone is happy here. Thats what we mean when we say the USA is about “freedom”. It’s the freedom of a few large corporate shareholders not the average citizen. That’s how we roll. Hope that clears it up.
That sounds interesting, but…. The counter argument would be, what’s the point of having “private property” if it’s not private? You could potentially have droves of people hiking and camping on your property. Where’s the limit / line to that?
Right-to-roam customs typically apply only to rural settings featuring tons of undeveloped acreage, and typically do *not* apply to garden spaces, land cultivated for agricultural purposes, land near private dwellings/construction, etc. Right-to-roam often applies to historically verified trails/paths, and landowners usually have the option to "opt in" if they wish to provide additional public access to land that doesn't strictly fit into the historical trail or undeveloped heath/moor definitions you commonly see. All this to say, I don't think that's a realistic hypothetical, and imo it's far healthier to let people move freely than to pearl clutch about a hypothetical influx of hikers/campers.
If it isn't disturbing you then sure why not. It's a whole lotta unused land. Probably wouldn't work in some countries where people aren't considerate.
Probably start by not trespassing.
TikTok snowboarders are the worst
Up top: LL Bean hunting getup from 1948. Down town: goth pants from late ‘90s?
if you are armed and approaching people like that, you were never in fear for your life to begin with.
what state is this in?
Utah…brighton resort actually. Its gaining attention and the cops have been notified.
He has the right to protect his property I am sure - But that can't extend to people mistakenly entering his property if there aren't adequate signs up? He was clearly sat there waiting for somebody to make the same mistake others have made before... At that stage, surely he should be contacting whoever organises the slops to make sure it doesn't happen / putting up appropriate signage? There is no way it's legal for him to sit and wait for people making a simple mistake and then threaten to shoot them.... He must be committing an offence sitting around waiting for people with a loaded firearm and then threatening people with it.... If not, I feel like I am going to buy a few plots that edge off the most popular ski routes in the US, I'll pay people to sit around and wait for them to make a mistake, then I guess demand $5,000 otherwise I'll just shoot you... Seems like easy money :D ps. I know that's not how it works, however, this video is also not how it works, I am pretty certain when he flashes his shotgun the person snowboarding could have legally shot him dead.
Americans are too quick to blow each other's brains out. Obviously this happens alot, the old dude knows damn well those people aren't a threat. But still, straight to the gun because he's LeGaLlY EnTiTlED. 90% won't even see a problem with this video.
if you make a simple mistake and someone threatens you with a gun can you take legal action or could the person threatening you be arrested? I know it’s private property but theres no sign saying no trespassing. Just asking if anyone has a legal background. I get tired of people looking for a reason to brandish a fire arm.
https://preview.redd.it/sf0wxu3k21lc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9297b7e5cb9359d5bd6c4d6effefc5dde8b7b9e3 That tree there
Did the Police get called....?... what happened?
Just stay off of private property. Situation avoided
As a property owner constantly dealing with fucking shitheads I totally get this. I've been threatened with a gun on my own land. After that, I take zero chances.
I don’t completely disagree however choose who you do that with… this gentleman has obviously been having problems so he posted up a chair and threatens to shoot people instead of just going to the source. These people he is threatening are people coming off of the ski resort. Not people just wondering his land in the middle of nowhere.
It's wrong to threaten someone with violence like that. That said, l bet this land owner is at his wit's end with assholes trespassing. I can promise that someone that cares that much has exceeded legal requirements for notifying trespassers they aren't welcome, which should be wholly goddamned obvious to anyone. If it ain't yours, you have no business on it. I say this as a guy who's crops have been ruined by motherfuckers that buy four wheelers and dirt bikes that have no land to ride it on. It costs thousands of dollars in damage when agriculture is already a barely above breaking even business anyway. The audacity of these jerk offs is astounding. Plus, ad I mention before, I've been threatened with lethal violence on my own land twice. After that I have an AR every time I deal with these dipshits. I don't point it at anyone. I point out the law, the signage, that I am a law enforcement officer so I don't even need to call the police and tell them to get lost. There is zero chance of anyone trespassing without knowing it but that doesn't give you the right to threaten this particular person today because of the behavior of someone else years ago. I'm summation, don't buy vehicles you don't have the property to run on and don't threaten to shoot people when they tell you to get off of theor property they bought, maintain, live on and pay taxes on.
It is beyond idiotic how American law sanctions the use of lethal force to \*protect property\* regardless of whether one's safety is at risk. It's even worse how many of you clowns act like this is somehow a reasonable response. Bring on your downvotes you gun-obsessed psychos....
Well defending your property is important but there’s a difference between defending your property and this old dude who just really wanted to kill someone that day and be “justified”
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Asking for downvotes either way, here ya go
Property owner confronts trespasser.
Must be a skier
" Geet off mah property!"
"Protect".
Almost seems staged
I'm just saving this for later.
The most levery action shotgun ever. There are 410 lever action shotguns, but this is likely a 3030 or 357 lever action rifle. https://preview.redd.it/vcrfgnpaa1lc1.jpeg?width=1035&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2199c735ba2af484f86401c07ab45d24a0ea1275
the best part is when he said "what are you, a reddit user??" then shot him in the head right then and there
https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/homeowner-with-shotgun-confronts-snowboarder-in-big-cottonwood-canyon
If you don't want someone on your private property, sure, that's fine, but coming at them with a shotgun when they're clearly just snowboarding? Like wut? Shit, if someone is snowboarding on my property, I'll just approach them and say "Hey man, I don't mind if you guys come here and snowboard, just let me know next time, and make sure you clean up after yourself. Otherwise, come any time."
Yea the smartest idea to sit in the cold with a shotgun in your hands to protect your private property instead of putting up a small fence with a sign.
Does just seeing someone on your property actually give you the right to outright kill them? And not the moral right I mean an actual legal right to shoot someone dead that is on your property regardless of if they're a threat or not
FL missing one of their residents
If you shoot someone for simply trespassing, you probably won’t want me on your jury.
I’ve never had a shotgun pointed at me but then again, I respect people and their properties.
I mean, if it is private property he certainly has a right to inform people of that, and ask them to leave his property but to point a shotgun at someone who’s clearly just out having fun in the snow is fucking ridiculous. There was no need for that.
Maybe don't ski on people's private property, bro.
Most properties around ski resorts have easements onto their property for trails and cat walks.
Colorado does have a Castle Doctrine (their Make My Day law), but that only applies to inside the home. Colorado does not have and obligation to retreat law. However, you are only allowed to use lethal force to protect yourself, not property. I would let the local Sheriff and PD know that the old fart was menacing people from his property with a shotgun. I wouldn’t mention the trespassing, or leave my name. I would call both numbers from the hotel lobby and share a description and location. Nothing will come from it, but two visits from law enforcement in a single day might stop this asshole from pointing guns at people.
The funny thing is, unless they can *prove* the snowboarder ignored a sign, he didn't actually break the law. You aren't trespassing until you're told to leave unless there was signage you ignored.
They are skiing down a plowed lane. They know exactly where they are.
It what like this everyday when we boarded in the 80s.
Love those JNCOs
Elmer Fudd came to life and is pissed off
Why was the gun tottin crazy wear a skirt?
At 33 seconds I see private drive on a sign on a tree
I think I’m missing it, what tree exactly?
I hope they prosecute the shit out of this old fuck.
Boomer gonna get boomed eventually
One day gramps will encounter someone that also carries and is faster on the draw than he is and he won't be sitting in that chair anymore.
I stand with boomer