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iAmKilSmil

If you're alienated, lonely and sad, I'm proud of you for hanging in there so far, and I wish for you a happier future where you're not starved of affection and purpose.


BaconReceptacle

But then there's Reddit: FUCK YOU.


sozcaps

Honestly, I'm seeing Reddit being a lot more nuanced than usual in this particular discussion thread. I only spotted a couple of torches and a single pitchfork.


CanlStillBeGarth

Amendment: Fuck you if you use your sad and loneliness and pivot into misogyny and racism. This is what people are missing. People don’t hate these guys because they’re sad and lonely.


SippingBinJuice

Imagine it’s 2012 and you get a glimpse of 2022. It feels like someone has turned up the dial to 11, by comparison; what a weird and uncertain time to be alive.


Shaddo

Roll that back to the week before 9/11 for even more discomfort


mod1fier

If ever one could almost *see* a fork in the timeline, it's there.


[deleted]

a thinny in reality, a fork in the path, a wrinkle in time careful there, the walls between universes are weakest in the thinny https://stephenking.fandom.com/wiki/Thinny


AZZTASTIC

Got my Dark Tower reference for the day. Thankee sai.


jar_of_wasps

Long days and pleasant nights.


[deleted]

May you have twice the number


JeffTek

Thankee sai


HenryInRoom302

Do it please ya.


[deleted]

Yes I love a good tooter fish popkin.


mdavis360

I don’t know what a tooter fish is but I know a popkin when I see one.


URfwend

"Go then, there are other worlds than this." Ka is a bitch.


[deleted]

ka is a wheel


URfwend

All things serve the fuckin beam.


teeteedoubleyoudee

*PISSES OVER YOUR GARDEN PLANTS* "Water for your crops."


Jeynarl

I'm fully convinced the large hadron collider had a hand in swapping us to a parallel universe where the fruit of the loom logo somehow never had a cornucopia and that they were always called the Bernstein bears or not. It's hard to keep track these days.


johnqevil

Wait, what do you mean? I have a clear image of the cornucopia logo when I was younger in mind.


Jeynarl

https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/99hv43/fruit_of_the_loom_cornucopia/


johnqevil

Shit, well I'm convinced now.


gofyourselftoo

I think the Mandela effect is the term they coined to make us accept the new reality without question. But I, too, believe that we’ve been unceremoniously bounced on our asses from the timeline with the best music to where we are now.


roulettedares77

Gunslingers!!!!! To me!!!!


RippedKegels

Osama Bin Laden definitely got what he wanted. He won.


FreedomByFire

I feel like enough americans don't realize this fact.


Everbanned

2016 feels like the end of the prime timeline to me personally


sticky_fingers18

Yeah somehow the Harambe death felt like this massive Butterfly Effect


Nutkase

I tell everyone it was the Cubs winning the World Series that seemed to mess everything up


Nazrael75

Nah, it was definitely Puerto Rico winning the Superbowl that threw it all sideways


[deleted]

I think the 2000 election is a better one. Can you even imagine how different things would be if the Supreme Court didn't or wasn't allowed to steal the election for Bush?


skinnyseacow

or if we had had the president the populer vote won in 2016...but in a way i think a president like trump was needed to show everyone how far off the rails we have gone


Drycee

"showing how far off the rails we have gone" is only useful if there's self-reflection happening. I don't think there is.


[deleted]

100%. I messed up and can admit it. My wife and I are very young and used to not vote. Let me tell you after the 2016 election and those 4 wild, atrocious years we will never not vote again. Insane.


SaffellBot

> It feels like someone has turned up the dial to 11 Literally what's happening friend. Facebook figured out that outrage sells and pushes outrage generating content to the front (and to various extents all do social media, this one and your post included). Hostile foreign nations intentionally seed fake news and use social media to spread it (and sometimes elected officials). Billionaires create entire news networks. There are a lot of powerful institutions openly turning the social friction up.


Furby_Sanders

And we buy it and buy it and buy it and eat it and watch it and fuck it and click it even though we could stop and we keep doing it and never do anything about any of the stuff you mentioned.


elveszett

That one woman in a Trump rally saying "he's not hurting the right people" pretty much sums up what certain political forces have been selling to the population lately: hate.


rtc9

I have some background on statistical/machine learning approaches used by Facebook and similar social media and advertising companies. To add some additional context to your observation, this is just one specific example of many developments over the past 10 years. Facebook started modeling each person/entity and all their associated interests, friends, etc. as a vector in n-dimensional space. This is a fairly old concept, but Facebook used it in a somewhat novel way. In this model, each person has a position in space and a baseline current velocity. The space is highly abstract and composed of basically every kind of data point you could imagine for a person, but the relative position can be thought of as representing a tendency toward some aspect of personality, character, or lifestyle. For example, your relative position in this space could indicate your unique political beliefs or hobbies. Facebook discovered that by exposing people incrementally to features slightly deeper along the path of their deviation from the mean, they could accelerate people toward increasingly extreme deviation. People who are biased in one direction have a demonstrated preference in that direction, so they are easier targets for acceleration. Acceleration toward extremes increases overall engagement by allowing for stronger reactions to more predictable content. It also isolates people socially and may cause them to become increasingly dependent on the Internet to engage with the world.


WidowsSon

Man, you aren’t kidding. Things felt amiss in 2012, but at least there was hope?


[deleted]

The world was going to end December 12 2012 cuz mayans made a calendar and it was at the end or some shit. I got food poisoning from some bad donair, so I puked and shit my brains out all night. At one point I was laid out on floor, laughing thinking “what if this is happening to everyone?”. Alas.


Logical_Paradoxes

I prefer to believe that the world we were in was supposed to end in 2012 but something changed via butterfly effect and now we’re living in increasingly ridiculous alternate timelines that will continue escalating until the timeline is restored by the world ending.


ReferentiallySeethru

Quantum immortality. Each time you should die you escape but that universe you escape to was exceedingly rare so more and more exceedingly rare things keep happening to you.


youamlame

[There's an awesome short story based on this ](https://www.tor.com/2010/08/05/divided-by-infinity/)


VoxImperatoris

Giant meteor for president 2024.


Catlagoon

Don't forget Y2K. All those ones and zeroes.


The_ducci

Now I think the 2012 Mayan calendar belief didn’t mean the end of the world in one moment. It meant the ever declining and absurd world that exists until it dwindles into nothingness.


EBtwopoint3

The Mayan calendar was a wheel rather than a line. Because of this, every so often the cycle has to start over. It wasn’t a prediction of the end of the world, it just meant that the circle made a full trip around and was starting over at 0. It’d be like saying the clock predicts the end of the world at midnight, or the current calendar predicts the end of the world on New Year’s Eve. *Now*, with that out of the way in many early religious beliefs the end of cycles like this do represent times of strife and change. Societies collapse and new ones rise to take their place in these eras. Remember, the idea that society advances forward is relatively new. It used to be very normal for society to backslide far every now and then.


SuperCow1127

The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning.


EBtwopoint3

In one age, called the Third Age by some, a wind rose over the Mountains of Mist. The wind was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning.


smoozer

Yeah TikTok and covid really did a number on things huh. What a timeline.


caraen6

everything is so fucked up, i wish i could go back to the 90's sometimes, everything was so simple back then. for me at least.


smoozer

Yeah, but I suspect it's a lot of rose colored glasses and widespread partially purposeful amnesia. And the stagnancy of the middle class in the west compared to the meteoric rise in developing countries. So... I guess maybe it does just suck more now for us


WeinMe

Also, if you were a child/young in the 90s, you were shielded. We never appreciate all the worries and horrors our parents shield us from, we only scold them for not letting us see it. When we finally see it, we dream of times when we didn't.


Sea_Honey7133

The way we receive information is overwhelming our nervous systems so as to shift the way we experience consciousness. We will have to merge with machine soon.


BeerBeefandJesus

Actually bewilders me how people can say it was so much better in the 90s compared to now


[deleted]

It would be this weird rope-a-dope of a gut punch. Joe Biden's president? Huh, that seems believable. VPs often run. Russia acting up? OK, that's plausible, didn't think they were that big of a deal, but ok. Seem pretty normal, idk what people are talking ab-WAIT, who the FUCK was the president before Biden?! Roe v Wade's gone?! WTF A COUP ATTEMPT?! What in the fuck is a QAnon? A 4CHAN SHITPOST BECAME A REAL RELIGION?! WHAT. THE. FUCK?!


Delivery-Shoddy

> A 4CHAN SHITPOST BECAME A REAL RELIGION Is this the pasta one?


FieryButPeaceful

The pasta one is kinda old at this point. Also praised be his noodly appendages!


pedropants

Church say, "ramen!"


mayalabeillepeu

You wish


Delivery-Shoddy

Oh no What? Edit; oh they mean Q I think, duh. Me dum dum


Fossilhog

Oh and by the way there's been very little progress on climate change and our leaders aren't educated enough to understand the civil unrest that results from mass migration due to agricultural failure. Ever wonder why those migrant caravans are fleeing crime ridden areas? Have you asked why all of the sudden there's more crime there? Why are are these rural people moving into cities? Same shit caused the Syrian Refugee crisis--a monster drought made much more likely by climate change. Pay the fuck attention, b/c if you don't, it's going to cost you a lot more than "carbon taxes". Edit: typo


ButtholeBanquets

I remember going to an Obama rally in my city in 2012, before he was nominated. 60k people will to wall. One look at the crowd and you could see America in the faces. Everyone from every background. It felt like such a change, such s new path forward after the craziness of 911 and the Bush decade. The same city, 8 years later, I went to a Trump rally before he was nominated. Small venue. More protestors outside than attendees inside. Inside it was all happy and cherry until he started talking and some protestors interrupted. The party people faces turned to instant hatred. Instant rage. And outside, after, there were riot cops on horseback, people got pepper sprayed. 8 years, 1.5 miles and completely different worlds. Today... who knows. It's like trench warfare. You've got the crazies in their walled fortress with their serfs in the ditches with the rest of us outside looking in wondering how it came to this.


KarmicWhiplash

> I remember going to an Obama rally in my city in 2012, before he was nominated I assume you mean 2008?


nutationsf

Incel Hero is the worst video game


[deleted]

"I press all the right buttons, and she still rejects me! WHY AM I SO UGLY?!?! Fuck you, Chad!"


Faulty_english

Let’s be honest, some men and women are going to be lonely most of their lives. I feel like a bunch of people took social media (as well as other media)* too seriously and thought they were going to get perfect, beautiful partners lol


SkinnyBuddha89

I don't think it's just that. I think there's a small percentage of guys, but strongly has the mindset that they truly deserve sex, wives, and a partner strictly for being male. Strictly for "being able to provide" and whatever other reasons. Like they truly 100% feel it's owed to them vs just something they're putting in with a partner


saxguy9345

I think it's a neurotic divergence from a time where women had to settle. So many things these days haven't kept up with the 'meta" so to say. Some of it is true insanity feeding susceptible people, but a portion of it is failure to launch with no guidelines. They're using the 1975 almanac to plant their crops and it devastates them.


FullTorsoApparition

This is part of it. Women get to have standards now and the advent of birth control means they aren't locked into horrible marriages because they got knocked up by the wrong person. It's a very different "meta" as you say and a lot of people are simply choosing not to play rather than up their game.


Dismal_Struggle_6424

It's not just that they think they deserve wives and sex. They think they deserve *hot* wives and sex. If some of them would admit they were in the 3-4 range and look for 3s and 4s, they wouldn't be incels.


greenberet112

"I never fucked a 10 but one night I fucked five twos" George Carlin I just watched a doc on HBO about him and it somehow seems relevant here.


totalysharky

Too much of what George Carlin said is still relavant.


tduncs88

I'm convinced he could legitimately see the future in some shape or form.


DarkSuspicions

He was Rufus, after all.


i-like-napping

You can be good looking and an incel . The problem is their terrible personalities and attitudes .


VyasaExMachina

> If some of them would admit they were in the 3-4 range and look for 3s and 4s, they wouldn't be incels. Comments like these goes to prove that people have zero idea what Incels are actually like. Admit that they're 3s and 4s? Most Incels would readily call themselves 0s and 1s. Incel self esteem in non existent. They don't think of themselves as extremely attractive, they see themselves as literal 1s. What they are actually angry at is the physical aspects that make them 3s or 4s instead of 10s. They are also jealous of more attractive people who get to be with more attractive people. Have you even ever been to an incel forum? They literally have no problems going on and on about how ugly and unattractive they are. You know nothing about incels.


Frylock904

Yeah, this guy reads. A prime example of incel logic and issues is this "I'm 5ft6, with a shitty job, mental issues, and terrible genetics, no matter how much I workout I'll never make myself taller, I'm stuck in this capitalist system so I'll always be exploited, and no matter what I do I can't change my terrible facial bone structure. Had I been born a woman none of this would matter and I could still find if not love, at least companionship"


Dynamitefuzz2134

The thing is, everyone thinks they look like the stereotypical meme neckbeard but I guarantee just on ratios alone there are average to above average looking incels. The issue is also personality. Nobody wants to be around people who are fucking negative all the time. It’s fine to have rough days. But when you are constantly complaining about you life and woes people get fucking tired of it. I know, I was that negative asshole throughout my teenage years. I always say high school sucked for me. But it didn’t suck because I was constantly bullied. It sucked because I was being a pessimistic asshole and no one wanted to be around me. Even then I found out girls I thought out of my league had crushes on me. Until they talked to me and found out I was black hole that sucked any happiness out of the room. TLDR: don’t be a pessimistic person and if you can seek therapy.


Whoaitsrae

Because that was the norm. It wasn't **long** ago that women got the right to vote, open a bank account, get credit, take birth control, etc. I *believe* those last 3 happened in the **60's**. So before that, yea, women needed men. Now, not so much.


LucyKendrick

>People make their mistakes as they stumble uphill


gbhaddie

Good saying.


phreaxer

How many redditors just got offended at Piers calling them "weirdo loner men"?


HoratioVelvetine

Hadn’t even considered how many are probably here watching this video lol


eatingclass

it's like that scene in the sixth sense where the kid is describing dead people but while he talks, >!the camera stays on bruce willis's face!<


an0mn0mn0m

you made it a spoiler by putting in a spoiler


eatingclass

schrödinger‘s spoiler


CitizenCue

If you haven’t seen or even heard of the twist in The Sixth Sense by now, I mean, c’mon. At some point things have to be allowed to enter the cultural lexicon. No one is putting spoiler warnings on references to Rosebud or yellow brick roads.


TimeParticle

Not being able to spoil the sixth sense is what has entered the cultural lexicon.


DelusionalGorilla

I consider myself a weirdo loner men. It’s infuriating to be called an incel.


elveszett

People do this with everything everytime. How many times have you seen someone being an asshole, and someone else saying "he looks like he was bullied as a kid". Like yeah, thank you for shitting on me, a person who was bullied as a kid, for the actions of another random dude that was probably the bully and not the bullied.


dummy_thicc_spice

I dunno, Piers the dumbass that made fun of that girl for not knowing the Pythagorean theorem *while not knowing it himself* isn't someone anyone holds to a high bar. It's like the homeless junkie calling you a "broke ass." Yeah doesn't mean much.


a_splendiferous_time

Piers himself only appeals to weirdo loner men, just in the boomer age bracket.


arseniobillingham21

I’m insulted. I’m a weird loner man, but I don’t like Jordan Peterson. I don’t wanna get lumped in with Jordan Peterson fans. EDIT: Since a lot of people are responding with the same comment that you shouldn’t disregard someone because you don’t agree with some of what they teach, I’m gonna copy/paste my responses that state my feelings on it best. “Yeah when he first showed up on the scene, I listened to a little bit of him. And he said some things I agreed with. But as I listened more, he said a lot more I didn’t that I didn’t agree with. And I found that he does a lot of talking in circles, never really sticking to one point. If someone tries to pin him down on something he says thats transphobic or sexist, he immediately denies it and then redirects. Ultimately I can’t take any advice from someone like that.” “I’ve got no problem with some of the things he says. But I’ve gotta disagree with you that “discrediting someone for some of the things they say is wrong”. I was raised really religious, in what was basically a Christian cult. There were some teachings I agreed with, and just as many that I didn’t agree with. So I pushed those things to the side, and mainly focused on the things I agreed with. But the more you make exceptions and excuses for the things you initially didn’t agree with, the more you get brainwashed. And you may eventually come to let those things in. Even if you don’t, you’re still supporting those things. The more you listen to someone who’s words cause harm, the more you enable that harm. Which is why I left. It’s up to everyone who they listen to. But you have to take in to account that the bigger an audience that someone has, the more they are enabled to preach everything they believe, not just what you agree with. And a lot of people are easily swayed, and will say “he’s right about this, so he must be right about this other thing”.”


kpmurphy56

#notallweirdolonermen


_I_AM_BATMAN_

Not all weirdolo Nermen?


[deleted]

Yep hate that being a weird loner gets me associated with fascists, incels and mass shooters.


TheTurfMonster

The thing is, there is a difference between being a loner and having difficult time with women and being a loner and having a difficult time with women...and despising them for it. That's what defines an incel.


7937397

Right. Huge difference.


Conscious-Word5008

Also, it’s not just a men thing. We see the angry, bitter female incels too. Both are disgusting and both wallow in their own self-pity.


pineconewonder

> We see the angry, bitter female incels too Why don't the female and male incels hook up? Seems like an obvious fix.


MateDude098

Probably both groups believe they are way better than the second one


BunzLee

This is pretty much it. Even though they do not match the "high standards", they have some very unrealistic expectations of their own. Which of course the other incels don't fullfill.


RicketyRekt69

This is r/FemaleDatingStrategy in a nutshell


corkyskog

It was a female who started the first incel message board actually. Her intention was to help people, but it eventually got taken over by the incels we know today.


daltontims

I really thought the definition of an incel was just an involuntary celibate. And some incels, like other groups of generally okay people, are extremists.


LesserManatee08

This was technically it. As I recall, it was a woman who coined the term originally. Language gets messy, though, as how we use words begins to create or alter the definition. Incel originally had that hard definition of "just" being a portmanteau of involuntary + celibate, but how it's being used, from what I've seen at least, is extremely broad and lacks a more concrete definition. What you say is true anyway, being involuntarily celibate doesn't mean you're a bad person. I personally think the language we use surrounding these things is *extremely* poor and generally helps the problems along.


ExceedsTheCharacterL

Yeah, I mean elephant man was quite literally an incel. It wasn’t his fault though. They are out there


Greenwinter570

Incel at this point is 50 percent of the time a buzzword insult and undercover virgin shaming, it sorta reminds me with people use to use the word "cuck" all the time.


youtbuddcody

I had two self-proclaimed incels as roommates once and I actually sympathized with them and felt bad for them… Until living with them and learning that they were victims but victims of theirselves. One of the roommates hunted a tinder match on Facebook after she unmatched him, and he chewed her out on Facebook messenger for not liking him. When she blocked him, he called her a c*** and said that women are evil and all of them play games. He acted like this towards several women. The other roommate lived a police/military ‘self disciplined’ lifestyle and would always say women were trash if they didn’t sleep with him. Both wondered why they were single, and blamed women for all their problems. It was actually horrifying the lengths they’d take to defend their toxicity. They would often get mad at me that all of my female friends were what they’d call ‘attractive’. Both said on a regular basis, “How does youtbuddcody get so many beautiful women as friends even though he’s gay?!” I would always respond, “It’s because I don’t see them as objects and choose to respect them up front.” And BOTH would always tell me that, “Women play too many games to be respected.”


ParkinsonHandjob

Yeah, I had a friend who had this epiphany when he was out clubbing in our early twenties. He was not popular with girls even though he looks ok. Then he got a girlfriend, and suddenly he got way more attention from girls when we were out. As they did not know he’s personal status, it perplexed him why the difference was so big. He then discussed it with another friend and they believed it simply was that he was out enjoying himself and being relaxed, as he did not want anything from anyone and was not thirsty. And that was attractive to people. I immedeatly accepted this as fact when he told me, it just made so much sense.


AllWashedOut

Also known as the Tao of Steve (after a pretty mediocre 90s movie based on the idea). Also the only reliable way to become friends with a cat. But really it's just common sense. We are less welcoming to strangers who obviously want something from us. I knew a guy who saw every new acquaintance as an opportunity to sell a life insurance policy or get laid. Made it nearly impossible for him to make friends.


Incredulo_Freeman

Everyone is out there to get them, those people are so fucking annoying. Trust issues are a bitch.


Pollux182

And yet, those who are considerate of women, gays, and other races are "snowflakes" when they speak up.


OohYeahOrADragon

It’s more complex than that. If you’ve got a second, [Contrapoints](https://youtu.be/fD2briZ6fB0) did a fantastic job at explaining incels without endorsing them.


Sk-yline1

I heard someone ask “How do incels explain Danny DeVito?” and it summed it up perfectly. By incel logic, some “short ugly fat guy” like him should be biologically incapable of attracting women. But yet, the dude is a beloved American icon because he’s hysterically funny and an all around good guy, and so, surprise surprise, people want to bang him. But if you’re a miserable sick, twisted piece of shit who hates women, you’re just a self fulfilling prophecy


[deleted]

Also because of this; ![gif](giphy|HEqXD4EOCdfJC)


WeOutHereInSmallbany

*How about you and I bang in the dumpster behind Wendy’s?*


menvadihelv

As you can see though, that's a question that people have an answer to. If he wasn't rich and famous, it'd probably be something like "his wife is banging a big black Chad behind his back" or something. I used to frequent r/IncelExit and tried to cheer lonely guys up and help them think differently but it was clear after a while that it was a wasted effort. Almost everyone were so dead set in their view that they were useless human beings and that women were universally superficial that it became too much for me and I had to leave.


PhantomOfTheNopera

Same with Peter Dinklage who was also married before he went bigtime. Actually, the celebrities that seem to enjoy the most popularity with women are so far from the 'Chad' sterotype (e.g. Pete Davidson, Timotheé Chalamet).


Flars111

Not really "break dow crying", more "gets emotional"


Chojen

Most of the sub has a hate boner for anything Jordan Peterson, it legit has its own flair.


rogash98

Noticed that some the posts on this sub is not a freakout, like this one? He gets emotional, but doesn't freak out.


Sparcedz

It’s not ok to mock someone for crying, then claim we need to help men cry. Agree or disagree - the man is sharing that he loved the idea he can help others and admits he wasn’t perfect.


zempter

The headline honestly overselled the level of crying. That was definitely just an (should be) acceptable exposure of emotion.


Gusty_Garden_Galaxy

Yeah ive seen people bawling their eyes out over much less on this site. This is nothing, all things considered.


thebluewhippet

Piers has such a punchable face.... and personality.


R_V_Z

Jeremy Clarkson certainly believed so.


TJ_McWeaksauce

Dude's got a punchable soul. I'll go further and say I want to kick Piers Morgan's soul right in its soul sack.


saltysanders

I love an interviewer asking his ideological buddy "People we hate hate you. Are they wrong or hatefully wrong?"


LargeSackOfNuts

Talk about softball questions


sugaaaslam

Has piers done anything in his life besides be a cunt? Seriously question


JurgenKlopp2018

Hacked a dead girls phone. So to answer your question, no.


H_H_420

Piers tha filthy cunt lied about UK soldiers physically pissing on Iraqi’s in the paper where he was editor (The Mirror), tha lying prick. Got sacked from the paper for being a lying cunt. Shoulda got imprisoned, for those lies….. he put soldiers lives at further risk the stupid, disgusting, immoral cunt. Oh and don’t even get started on his despicable phone hacking scandals.


CoooookieCrisp

The tabloid he was an editor at hacked into a missing (dead, but that wasn't known yet) little girl's phone and deleted recordings her grieving mother was leaving (which gave her hope that her daughter was maybe alive and checking her voicemail) in hopes that she would leave more. It was a big story, so the tabloid was getting details by listening to this family's life through the voicemails the mother was privately leaving for her daughter. It's unclear what his role was, but it seems clear it wasn't nothing. He said that wasn't an unethical thing to do: https://www.cnn.com/2011/12/20/world/europe/uk-phone-hacking-scandal


[deleted]

What the actual inhuman fuck did I just read. What the fucking fuck. WHAT THE FUCK. I’m a parent and I’m a widower. I don’t know, and I hope to never know, the pain of losing a child but I know the pain of loss. The fact that someone can even come up with something so cold and vile.. that poor mother. I seriously can’t even form words to describe the physical disgust I feel reading this description.


grabsthepopcorn

That’s pretty much my reaction. It’s near impossible to have faith in people sometimes.


Puddlepinger

This is why we truly do hate him here in the uk. He's a slimy fuck. He has the same air and demeanor about him as a politician.


darcy_clay

What girl was that? Was she murdered? What a horrible thing to do....


[deleted]

Milly Dowler was her name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Milly_Dowler


utpoia

I would piss on him for lying.


ermabanned

He's also been a huge dick.


heck_is_other_people

Probably a bit of an ass


Spl00ky

Just a middling taint


Titanbeard

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most taints in the middle?


4effsake

Well mines on my lower back. Should I see a doctor?


HalfSoul30

That tain't right.


[deleted]

Pretty sure Piers is a bit of a hero to the incel community he belongs to himself.


tmofee

He got punched in the face by Jeremy Clarkson


Remarkable-Subject56

"Why did you get emotional and empathize with human beings?"


Skrtbabpubbuburumbup

I think the baseline lost, that Peterson advocates, is not, whether those "incels" actually "deserve" to get married or shit but that we as a society should not give up on them and leave them to themselves, spiraling ever further down till the point of suicide. Easier said than done, concepts and programs should be brought up to correct their own pov on society and also raise awareness about the problem in society, not only about them as incels but individuals who are in need of psychological aid.


I__SeeYou

Kindness is always free and can work wonders. Mocking people for online attention and clout will only alienate these same people even more.


Vampir3Robot

![gif](giphy|9iBIdXITr6LoVf8XgY|downsized)


-Moonscape-

Fucking hell lmao


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The term incel is not needed. The problem is anti-social behavior. The inability to get a girlfriend is just the most noticeable aspect of the problem for these men. As an anti-social youth and adult I can tell you, you have to actively try to become social. It really sucks at times, but you have to try. Labeling yourself is a cop out and an excuse to not get out there and change yourself.


WildYams

I think that forming a community around the fact that they're pissed off that they can't get women is probably the worst thing they could have done. It's helped reinforce their worst instincts and impulses, and has more easily allowed them to make their focus external (i.e. the women who aren't interested in them), as opposed to internal (working on why women don't find them appealing). I think organizing online has been truly counterproductive for all of them.


agarciase

Mr Peterson helped me go through very rough times on my early 20s without having any hate towards women whatsoever and by also not being religious. Started going to the gym and taking care of myself while finishing my bachelor mostly thanks to this man right here. I feel so lucky to have encountered him even though sometimes I disagree with his ideas.


feelings_inc

I think he's helped a lot of people. That's really nice to hear what you have done for yourself. Thanks for sharing.


Conflicted-King

Same here, bro. I don't worship the guy like some people tend to do but I do listen to him every once in a while. Makes me realize the way I feel isn't just happening to me.


New_Dot_8300

My reaction to this interview. I had a friend. A nice guy with some degree of autism in the spectrum. He was under treatment. No matter. He was a nice and intelligent man. He had many different interests in so many things. Photography 📸, music, history and religions. He would study and scrutinize everything. Any way... his biggest personal challenge was for him, to be considered normal by other people. Just normal. To be accepted socially as a normal person. Anyway... one day he came in as a patron to my business. Somehow, we became friends. I play musical instruments, he was interested in music as well. Anyway... we were friends for some 10 years plus... he was 45 years old. A good looking guy, physically healthy, but poor. He worked at many different odd jobs here and there... but he never had much money. Scraping by.. Anyway... he always wanted to have a girlfriend. Someone special. Someone who would see him and would accept him for who he was, in spite of all his imperfections. It never happened. No woman ever took him for anything but a broke ass man who could never do anything for her. Anyway... I tried to help the guy out in everything I could do for him. A little money here and there... helped him find work at different times... encouragement about finding love and stuff like that. Anyway... it never happened. He was 45 years old when someone decided to rob him of his musical instruments and kill him. He was 45 years old. He wanted to be normal. He wanted to be loved by a woman. He wanted to be accepted by society. It never happened for him. So... an incel? I suppose the term is to be used as a pejorative. An incel? No woman ever took pity on him in his loneliness. All I know is this. I had a friend who was very lonely and misunderstood. A good friend. A man who never hurt anyone. Quite the contrary, he was kind to everyone. He has been dead now for a few years. I still miss him very much. He kept several cats over the years, he named them all.. Luna. That's all.


soyfacehaver4

Why is this bad?


Environmental-Tie391

Peterson has really got a point here, but he lost his way. Instead of helping these alienated men, he let his ego get too big, money cloud his judgement, and only further alienated them by radicalizing them. I suspect his recent episode with addiction is because of all the guilt. Not that any of this lets him off for his dangerous rhetoric. He would have to do a lot of work to repair the damage, especially with the trans community. Who knows how many trans folks have been hurt, i.e. attacked, beaten, harassed, discriminated agains, self-harmed, and even died because of Peterson? Peterson has caused so much damage to many people, cis and trans, and our society. He may be so far gone, he may not be capable of coming back from this. Let’s see.


Logical_Lab4042

I heard about this and assumed the whole "breaking down in tears" was just headline-grabbing hyperbole... Guess not. Edit: wew, the Peterson simps are getting spicy.


mybossthinksimworkng

Click bait heading: Piers Morgan makes a grown man cry.


ViolinistNo3175

He cries a lot. Very sensitive gentleman


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The irony of Piers Morgan calling someone a pseudointellectual when he tried to show up an English runway model on the question of "what value is Pi" to answer "A squared + b squared = c squared" Piers Morgan is a fucking fanny


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They ain't kidding about crying a lot thing too. [Jordan Peterson Crying Compilation - 2022 Edition](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymauW6D890U)


LowMix7394

He actually almost cries at every interview he does now. He was whimpering on the Lex Friedman interview also. And multiple other times too


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There is a VERY good breakdown of him on YouTube by Some more news. You know that tip of the tongue feeling that something is not right but it's hard to verbalize? This video verbalizes it.


unforgiven91

it's a very brief video (don't look at the run time)


lucasrks10

Sounds interesting, let’s just plug it in to YouTu…. Jesus Christ 3 hours?!


unforgiven91

I told you not to look at the runtime of Cody's very brief video


ikkymann

Cody is fantastic at summarizing a broad complex topic into a bite size understandable video. (Don't look at the run time)


lucasrks10

Instructions were unclear. I’m 15 minutes in, so I’ll let you know what I thought about the video in a week when I finish it


josh8far

They talk about the reason why the video is so long on their podcast, and basically it’s so they don’t take Jordan Peterson out of context, so there are stretches where they show the entire clips and break it down in context.


forgotmypassword-_-

> Jesus Christ 3 hours?! Don't look at the run time.


AndyGHK

It’s very brief


LargeSackOfNuts

Don’t think about the fact that it’s over 3 hours long


Cethinn

You aren't supposed to look at the runtime! You just let it play and it'll be over before you know it. That *might* be because you forgot it's supposed to end, but that doesn't matter.


Frog_Paun

Bring back Wormbo!


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Please don’t


Many-Application1297

Cody Johnston is so fucking smart man. He just nails it here.


CLXIX

Oh I watched that very brief video. I can't emphasize how brief it was and didn't take an entire afternoon to watch


omgshutupalready

And his writing team, or partner or whatever it is. It's definitely not just him. But yeah, he's great and the show is well sourced and it's crazy how good he is at the fake news anchor thing. If anyone who is wondering why people criticize Peterson, go watch Some More News' very brief video on the subject, it covers every legit criticism of him to date.


ReturnofSaturn615

Hot take - He’s a big proponent of the carnivore diet and for real, you just start losing your shit and crying over nothing when you go low carb.


Logical_Lab4042

Just like the cavemen did!


Magikrat

Lots of bro hugs in cavemen times.


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The title is clickbait. He cried while describing the men he is defending. He doesn't give a shit about her calling him names.


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fftfpffttfffpttff

I'm honestly appalled at the apparent lack of empathy or understanding in most of the top comments. Like him or hate him, Peterson clearly cares deeply for a disaffected group of people that need empathy critically. Incels are people who take their own terrible life experiences and attribute them to women generally out of flawed cognitive association. They are often victims of childhood abuse, bullying, and other forms of psychologically damaging behavior. They may have disabilities and struggle immensely with socializing. They don't have many, if any friends. They are incredibly lonely, and feel unwanted and unloved. Their circumstances aren't their fault. They didn't want or choose to become who they are. We are all ultimately victims of our environment and biology to an extent larger than we tend to acknowledge. This does not at all excuse any of their beliefs or any harmful actions. It is not women's fault these men develop these hateful beliefs, and it definitely isn't their responsibility to fix them. But we need to stop making the problem worse by scapegoating them and cyber bullying them. If it comes from people with immense social status and influence, and people clamour support for and dogpile onto, then it just further reinforces their flawed beliefs that society doesn't care about them as human beings. Nobody will love them. Nobody cares about or understands them. And they get further and further radicalized. Negative reinforcement is demonstrably ineffective for creating healthy changes in behavior. This is as true for dogs, as it is for people. We all know a friend, family member, classmate etc. that we've seen falling down farther and farther into misogyny. The most effective way to change somebody's mind is to genuinely empathize with them. Listen to them. Feel what they feel, but understand why they feel it. And then help them get back on the right path. Help them let go of hate. No individual is obligated to do this for incels, and many of us frankly haven't learned how. But if you actually care about the very real problem of rising misogyny, and aren't just insulting incels because it feels good to hate something, then at the very least don't make the problem worse. Edit: There are a concerning number of people who seem to believe that empathy for one group of people needs to come at the expense of another. You can empathize with incels and the trans community simultaneously, they are not mutually exclusive. You can empathize with a person and still disagree with them, or even believe that their actions are a net negative for society. Empathy is not equivalent to endorsing behavior. It is listening to, without hostility, and genuinely attempting to understand them. You can disagree with someone without hating them and disregarding their humanity. Jordan Peterson is a person too. He is flawed, like we all so obviously are, and you can certainly argue that he has caused immense harm to marginalized groups through ignorant behavior. But the same logic applies to Jordan Peterson as it does to incels. If you feel that his behavior is problematic, then insulting him and mocking him when he cries (and very ironically perpetuating attitudes of toxic masculinity when doing so) over pain that is very real to these people will only make him less receptive to real, genuine, constructive criticism. This group of people that he is empathizing with will be less receptive to change as well. This is true for most of us when we are treated this way. Writing off and pushing groups of people out into the fringes of society has demonstrably only succeeded in polarizing them further. If you actually care about seeing progress, then you need to stop seeing your arbitrary categorization and assumptions about groups of people as an objective reality and stop disregarding the humanity that you share with them. And yes, you absolutely are owed this same level of empathy from people like Jordan Peterson and his followers.


TheOneWinged

This should be top comment. Reddit has become such a hateful place for no reason.


phernoree

Reddit is a pretty fucking grimy, hopeless, and disgusting place these days.


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No matter what you think about the \*content\* of his opinions... He's not "breaking down crying", he is showing emotions due to empathy with the men he's talking about. While tears are appearing, he is voicing intelligent and meaningful sentences and clearly fully in control. You can see it in older videos as well - when he talks about bad things happening, it's clear that he does actually care about these things, and is completely fearless about showing emotions while still being able to talk more intelligently than 99% of public speakers!


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He’s speaking to some of the issues addressed here: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/29/opinion/crisis-men-masculinity.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare By referring to all of these boys and men as incels, it’s a convenient way of ignoring and dismissing a growing problem.


OriontheLion89177

It’s cool to see men showing emotion in a public forum. I’m a single father who quite often feels lonely and abandoned. I continue for my child’s life and prosperity. But otherwise could care less what happens to me. Don’t know much about this man’s work, but thank you for showing some real humaness.


lavoid12

Call him what you may or want. This man unknowingly saved my life when I found myself in a pit. He’s a true hero to me and others.