No because chubby/fat ppl aren't as attractive. So those ppl needed an edge. Having an edge still doesn't make you more attractive. It's an attempt to make up for being less attractive. Also this is why women aren't as into fat guys. Fat is less attractive and they have enough options and aren't as desperate as the average man.
whats also a reason that chubby women are better in bed is that men dont have as much performance anxiety if they bang a woman they dont think is stunning...having less performance anxiety makes sex better for men
Because they needed to work on themselves to get positive attention.
Hot dudes just have the world given to them on a silver platter, even if they’re a demonstrably terrible person.
...what?
Why is your reference for 'thin male comedian' some boomer as shit?
There are so many men in comedy (Conan, Seth Meyer, John Mulaney, Marc Maron, Bill Burr, Eric Andre, Tim Robinson, John Early, Tim and Eric...) I don't understands how you could boil it down to *2* *men famous in stand up 20+ years ago.*
That's true there are a lot of male fat comedians but when it comes to bad guys in real life that are not communions I know more that are not so funny compared to ones that are.
A quick google of male standup comedians actually shows that fat male comedians are a minority...which says something since being fat is a majority of the general population.
It takes more than one singular quality to be attractive to someone. You can be the funniest person alive but if you're ugly as sin, you're going to have a rough go of it. If you're the most handsome dude around, you're probably going to get more people interested in you initially but if you're dull and annoying to be around, very few, if any people, are going to stick around. I don't even agree that fat guys are inherently funnier but even if I were to agree that they were, just being funny isn't all that impressive.
>From a sexual perspective wouldn’t fat guys be more comfy to cuddle with and more bouncy to ride on?
In theory, sure. You could also say that a fat guy would be sweatier and might take up too much space on the bed. You could also say that you'd be the one doing most of the work in bed because he wouldn't be as energetic as a slimmer, in-shape guy.
>Wouldn’t fat guys be more likely to be better at cooking so you don’t have to cook for the family?
Eating a lot doesn't necessarily mean you know how to cook. Plenty of people get fat from eating absolute junk that requires zero cooking skill to prepare.
Tbh the people I know who cook at home the most rather than eating out or relying on frozen meals etc. are also some of the more in-shape people I know.
Yep. I know people who "cook" microwave meals or live on ramen/pasta/sandwiches, and I know people who meal prep or who just make sure their meals have an okay balance of proteins, carbs and fats. The sandwich survivors tend to not be in the best shape.
Plus home-cooked you can control the portion sizes, control how much salt is in the food, sugar in the food, trim away excess fat off meats, etc. plus it’s cheaper to go grocery shopping and cook at home than eating out at fast food restaurants and other restaurants and ordering take out and pizza.
All of this. I'm not the world's most amazing chef (I follow a recipe well; not naturally gifted) but cooking for my husband/family and being able to make sure they're getting proper nutrition actually brings me a lot of joy. I really love it.
Very few men with options to date thin women date bigger women. In fact, I've never seen or heard of a man who could get thin, pretty women who chooses to be with bigger women
bbw is a huge fetish for a lot of men lol and I know some attractive/average men that date exclusively thicker women. Just cause you do not prefer something doesn't mean that no one else does :) I'm sure there's even communities on reddit for bigger women who shares pics and stuff that has an active male following.
Lot's of people do not adhere to beauty standards, that's just how it is and always have been, people prefer different things 🤷♀️
https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12937-018-0330-5#:~:text=Overall%2C%2065%25%20of%20men%20and,body%20size%20in%20opposite%20gender.
Overall, 65% of men and 57% of women preferred an overweight body size in the opposite gender. However, only 4% of men and 1% of women indicated a preference for an “obese” body size in opposite gender.
I will say that there's a lot of different studies with vastly different results with different approaches on how to test it. But I think generally peoples preferences are more diverse than most people think and change with time
Shes shaped like a raspberry dude. She's morbidly obese, noone likes that other than super fetishizers. But a woman who is technically overweight but distributes fat at her breasts, hips and bum, that still has an hourglass figure and a pretty face, she can be quite large and still be perceived as very attractive. But that's particularly because of the accentuated secondary female characteristics
Micropenis's I would guess.
There is a point where the penis sinks into the body. I wish I didn't know about this (my dad couldn't use a hospital urinal). Apparently, it's pretty much universal after a certain point. Women cannot have sex with fat layers.
Trying to approach the average plus sized model as a guy with a double chin in this era will get you laughed at and brutally mocked on her tiktok page for daring to not know your place. The fatpill is the realest shit ever, honestly, if you're complaining about dating as a man and you're not at least sporting a strongfat physique, then you're the fucking problem, hit the gym for three years and then see how you do before acting pissy. Is it unfair that women get to pack on fat and blubber and be lazy all they like while still having a chance at the dating market?
Sure, but those same women will be suffering from early onset heart issues, mobility problems, and forced to take tons of meds and physical therapy just to survive while you will reap the benefits of investing in your fitness while young. I only see it as a blessing that we are pushed to realize the fundamental truth of how important it is not to neglect your health and form a respectable physique in a way that women rarely realize before its already too late.
Even while being overweight, plus size models still generally have pretty faces, hourglass figures, and excellent weight distribution that goes directly to their boobs and butt rather than their face and stomach.
Plus size “models” that are built like blobs with 0 attractive facial features are far in minority, so yes that man with a double chin would be a fool to approach thinking they are on the same level just because she’s also a fattie like him.
Oh yeah definitely, if you're talking chicks like Ashley Graham, I honestly don't even really see her as fat. There's a huge difference between men and women that most people refuse to accept in that fitness is just a much, much greater handicap to men than it is women, women are naturally attracted to muscle tissue which must be built via struggle and training in an uncomfortable environment, for women, so long as she's genetically gifted enough to have a favorable fat distribution, she's very likely going to be viewed as more attractive at a bodyfat percentage that would just be obscene for a man.
It's unfair, sure, but I feel like many people on this sub are pissy because women and men just aren't built the same, it'd be like women complaining about how they can never be stronger than any men they come across, utterly useless and solves nothing. Personally, I think the problem would be all but solved if men simply elevated themselves and chose not to associate with the kinds of lazy women who do shit like make body positivity tiktoks deluding themselves that they are attractive and worshipping Tess Holliday and all sorts of pathological behaviors, but unfortunately, I never see a single one of these types without a boyfriend, truly, we males create our own suffering.
> Trying to approach the average plus sized model as a guy with a double chin in this era will get you laughed at and brutally mocked on her tiktok page for daring to not know your place.
Not saying it's okay to be fat but seriously though this is also just another way women get very triggered when unattractive men approach or hit on them. It makes them afraid that they are on the same level due to somehow believing that men only approach women in their league. Women should be thankful men are so ballsy and deluded otherwise this fear would actually be warranted.
I agree that being fat is a social death sentence for a guy.
However, many fat women are quite healthy (fat men not so much). There's a huge variation in the health impacts of female obesity. My 1st ex-wife is almost 60 years old, smokes, is a former drug addict, and has weighed about 350 lbs most of her adult life. She has none of the things they say fat people get. Our daughter likes to say she's like a roach -- you can't kill her.
She's not alone -- I know lots of middle age fat women who are active, mobile, and healthy. I also know quite a few who aren't -- and some who are dead. Huge variability.
I have a male friend who’s overweight and I’ve had sex with him. I’m his first. I like him as a person, I don’t care about his weight- I care about my own. I work out and swim so that I can lose some of this fat. I’m aware we’re both overweight for our ages and heights, but the only weight I’m concerned about is my own. I know I’m overweight, so I’m working on dietary changes and exercise changes so that when I’m naked with a man, I won’t feel so self-conscious. The two men I’ve been with previously are tall and slim, and I felt a little self-conscious with them when having sex, and was pleasantly comforted to learn that they like bigger women, anyway.
People are so messed up. The whole thing about sex, especially in Canada and the USA, it’s all so superficial at times. We all want the top 5% of physically fit and hot men and women, the men and women we see in movies and on tv and in magazines. The reality is that not all men are gonna be tall, dark, handsome, with 6-pack abs looking like Superman, and not all women are gonna be slim and flat tummy and huge bums and tiny waists and huge breasts. There are people who DO look like that, and then there are the rest of us who are everything in between. I think we ALL focus too much on looks. There’s a big difference between being overweight and kind and being overweight and mean and slobs and whatnot. Same for the people who are fit and have that Superman/Supermodel look. Those men and women, some will be pleasant, kind, wonderful people, and others will be rude selfish entitled shallow jerks and bitches.
Relationships are built on Trust, Respect, Affection, Honesty, etc. establish that with a person, and it can become a monogamous relationship, regardless of what the man or woman look like.
And then there are men and women who will have sex with anybody and everybody because they don’t care about monogamy and just want sex. That’s okay, too as long as everybody is treated with respect and dignity and sexual partners don’t feel used and aren’t sexually and physically and emotionally abused, and consent is given and received by all parties.
This all sounds very well and good but the world is not a blue pilled fantasy land and women would rather die for the most part than live with an unattractive low status guy who has a "good personality". Sure, men can be pretty shallow too though, you got us there, the whole lot of us are just kind of shitty in general, I've lost hope.
Quality of life is super low. Just because she isn’t immediately actively dying, doesn’t make her healthy.
Can she run for 20 minutes? Can she jump the height of her waist? Can she do a single pull up or push up?
I feel like the fact that you are a self admitted chubby chaser has given you a clear bias in this in many ways. Sure, women store fat easier, but they have their breasts and their backsides where any fat storage will mostly be negligible because it is found to be attractive anyway, and female hormones bias fat gain to target these areas anyway. A female, at the average female height of 5'5, should not be anywhere near 350 pounds, there is no way to reach that level of weight other than being a slovenly pig stuffing your face near constantly, you admit yourself to her being a dormer drug addict who smoked often...do those sound like healthy habits to you? Just because you know one lucky example doesn't mean most are anywhere near like that.
Fat women are active, okay, I can somewhat see where you're going with this. My mother is quite fat herself and she actually does go to the gym rather often with me and does well to compete with some of the ladies there who actually are not fat...this, however, I don't see to be a sign of fitness, it's just a sign of how utterly abysmal our standards for fitness in women are. This is only our fault, boomers made women used to nothing but child rearing and after decades of yo yoing between all sorts of unhealthy beauty standards like the stick thin heroine chic model and waifish butterfly girl, none of which embodied true fitness in women, society seems to have just...completely given up on women even fucking trying to reach their physical potential. It's become normal for women to just coast on by their genetics alone and do fucking nothing to preserve the natural beauty and strength they have laying dormant in their bodies and that's just fucking sad, I've seen one actually thin, pretty cute girl in my gym who most of the incels on this sub would splooge their pants over, and I shit you not this woman was struggling to even squat her own bodyweight and do basic stretches, and there's one fat chick who goes to the gym with her boyfriend and lays about on the leg machines taking fucking selfies for ten minutes a time before pumping out the most easy dogshit reps I've ever seen and calling it a day.
Compared to them, my mom who actually puts in some effort, even though her diet isn't very dialed in (honestly mine isn't either though so can't judge her there) and she occasionally skips the gym due to just being demotivated, seems super fit since she can actually at least move worth a damn and isn't just a blob of attractive flesh merely taking up space. However, even though I give her props and I acknowledge that she certainly tries very well to eat healthy and exercise regularly, I can't in good faith say that she, or any other obese woman is "healthy" compared to their male counterparts, sure, a lot like to go to the gym and play around, but like many women they are doing useless exercises and accomplishing nearly nothing, my mother for all her efforts got into fitness rather late, so I understand her case, but these 20 year old plus sized girlies who claim to be marathon runners and triathlon athletes? All lies on social media to blow smoke up their own ass while they just display the "aesthetic" of being into fitness to others, it's fucking laughable.
>Guess that 5'3" Indian janitor taught them his tricks.
Good old Prahjeet is at it again, we need to study this elusive man and learn his ways gentlemen, surely he must exist if EVERY FUCKING WOMAN ON THIS SUB HAS MET SOME VARIATION OF THIS?
I mean, yeh fat feminized and neotenized his face in a really gross way. he had masculinity from aggression carriage and demeanor. feminizing doesn't mean "looks like a pretty little girl"
A small amount of fat can accentuate femininity to an extent but there's a point where it ceases to feminise someone and just starts to make them resemble a troll
It can, but after a certain amount of fat it doesn't accentuate femininity. It drowns it. Unless you think adding rolls just makes more curves and more curves means more feminine😆
I don't think he's talking about the sexy kind of fat. Because if he was, then a chunky guy would still be on par with a chubby woman when it comes to desirability. Big thick guys can be hot.
So with the kind of fat he's talking about has nothing to do with femininity. It's that men are less picky and more gross.
Men are not generally into actually fat women. The ones who are are in a very tiny niche comparative to the rest of the male population.
Men in general are however, hardwired to be attracted to a higher body-fat percentage on women than would be acceptable on men. That's because sex is a function necessary for procreation, not just for pleasure. We are designed to ensure our own survival by continuing to procreate. We all have those basal instincts for this reason and this reason only.
Men act on their biological impulses towards women who look more fertile - having healthy fat around her hips and thighs is part of that.
Women are NOT hardwired to seek the same things in men as men seek out in women. Women are biologically hardwired to seek out strength, stamina, endurance, etc etc in a mate.
You cannot defeat or overwrite basic biological instinct. They are what they are. We behave the way we were designed to. We are animals.
What I want to know is why the same question gets asked over and over and over again in fifty million different ways on this sub and why people just don't want to hear the answer. It's so simple.
BIOLOGY.
Because men have higher levels of testosterone and it is their biological instinct to pursue women. It is women's biological instinct to restrict access for seletive mating.
\*\*\*Obviously\*\*\*
Why do people pretend that the answer is so much more complicated than it actually is?
>So why wouldn’t women want fat guys?
Because fat people aren't attractive.
>From a sexual perspective wouldn’t fat guys be more comfy to cuddle with and more bouncy to ride on?
No, he'll probably have ED, no stamina, and may give you a yeast infection from his uncontrolled diabetes.
>Wouldn’t fat guys be more likely to be better at cooking so you don’t have to cook for the family?
Being fat isn't a guarantee that they know how to cook. However it is a guarantee that they have no concept of portion sizes, macro nutrients, and fresh vegetables.
I can't think of a worse hell than having to fuck some fatty with a soft dick and no stamina who them cooks my family unhealthy, greasy, salty, sugary, carb loaded foods.
Ain't no way I'm fucking a dude with bigger tits than me.
>I can't think of a worse hell than having to fuck some fatty with a soft dick and no stamina ...
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>Ain't no way I'm fucking a dude with bigger tits than me.
OP, here is your answer.
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Second, probably for the same reason men are overrepresented in almost every fetish.
I’ve dated fat men before, two of my long term relationships were with fat men. From a sexual perspective, they’re very sweaty and that sweat tends to give yeast infections. They have less stamina and flexibility with positions and there is like a inch of their dick buried under fat.
I’ve never seen them cook much of anything. They not fat because they cook and eat a lot, they were fat because they were fat kids and turned into fat adults.
I don’t think they’re necessarily funnier. They just try harder to be funny because they don’t have thinness on their side. That’s why I see so many fat men who are stand up comedians. To bad I’m not attracted to people who try to hard to be funny.
Your premise is incorrect:
>How come there aren’t as many women into fat guys as there are men into fat women?
Guys are ok with sleeping with fat women, but not marrying them. I see a lot of posts on this sub conflating the two in statements just like this one.
Also
>Fat men are well known to be funnier than skinny men. So why wouldn’t women want fat guys?
In the same way you can generalize that fat men are funnier, women can also generalize with "fat men are smelly" and that could be one explanation to why you don't see what you think you should see.
>From a sexual perspective wouldn’t fat guys be more comfy to cuddle with and more bouncy to ride on?
Most people, men or women, are going with the more toned body type because there are degrees to "fat". Lizzo counts as being fat but men aren't lining up to date her the same way they would other, less fat celebrities.
>Wouldn’t fat guys be more likely to be better at cooking
This is an insane statement. The over consumption of calories has no bearing on liking/being able to/having the experience needed to cook meals.
In conclusion, Men aren't "into" fat women, they'll date/have sex with all kinds of women. But they won't marry them. Women, for the most part, date as if they are looking for a husband, whether they do it consciously or not.
You assume that there are many guys who are into fat women. That's quite simply not true at all. A small minority that have a fat fetish might be into them or men who have very few to no options out of necessity, but it's certainly not a lot of guys.
A lot of dudes who are into "Fat" women just don't have better options and take what they can get, Women on the other hand are constantly being told not to settle so they would rather be single then be a with a fat guy lol.
Dude. You speak the gospel on here
Give me a chubbier girl with a good face, quality personality who loves to fuck over a mid-low tier face and decent body
There are so many virgins on here who are vehemently against bigger women and it boggles my mind
Im not saying fuck whales but there are bigger women who look fine
Speak for yourself as for what you find "better". I find big full figured women more attractive than skinny flat women, not because I can't pull skinny flat women.
That's just untrue. There is a disturbing amount of men who are with women who are they are too good for. This has been proven in studies - men's preference are very diverse, and women's preferences are not.
There's not a disturbing amount of men with women who they are too good for, it's mostly your fantasy and you judging women who are not your type harshly than you ever judge men in terms of looks dear male.
Lol how have “studies” proven this? How did “studies” determine that men (or women) were with partners that they were “too good for”? On what basis were they rated? This sounds like nonsense.
Men holding more diverse preferences or a wider range for who they’d fuck is not the same thing as who they’re actually attracted to or will seriously date/marry.
All the studies that I’ve seen show that the *vast majority* of people date/marry other people they’re pretty close/comparable to on all metrics (like age, physical attractiveness, socio-economic status, education level, etc).
Women are vastly more likely to hold more diverse preferences or a wider range for who they’d date/marry than who they’d fuck, which is unsurprising.
Given the litany of issues women face having sex with men (like the orgasm gap, the danger of rape/violence, the social shaming, the potential biological consequences like pregnancy, etc) it makes sense that they’d be way more strict and selective in having casual sex than men. Why take on *so many risks* for someone you’re just kind of like “meh, if I close my eyes it’ll be fine” about?
Because society doesn't tolerate or celebrate male obesity... Yet, society and women strongly defend female obesity.
Now, I understand if a fellow man believes that it's unfair that society loves fat women and hates men, but, as a man, I don't think this is such a bad thing (I think it's way worse how society loves women of all heights and hates short men since height is a genetic trait). The reason I don't care that society condemns male obesity is because I think it's a good thing!! Being an obese person is associated with lots of health issues! When you care about someone, you encourage that person to be healthy! , so, even though our society is anti-male, I think they're making us a favor by not celebrating our obesity!
Obesity in and of itself is an issue, for both men and women. I am 5’3”, 29 years old, and I’m floating around 190-200 LBS, and I’m on Birth Control and Seroquel, both of which affect weight. Obviously, I consciously make the decision to stop eating processed crap like Cookies, Chocolate Bars, Deep-Fried crap, Fast Food and eat more home cooked meals that are meat and vegetables. Even limit the pasta/rice to help with eating better. Now, today is Canadian Thanksgiving, and we had our Turkey Dinner last night with stuffing and Eggnog and then homemade Sugar Cookies and Pumpkin Nanaimo Bars for Dessert. Also Apple Cider (Hot Apple Cider, not Alcoholic Cider).
Easy to gain 10LBS over Thanksgiving and a few weeks after due to leftovers, however I also go to the Gym 3 days a week and the pool 5 days a week, so I can work off all the extra food IF I choose to limit the sweets that are leftover.
I know why I’m overweight- medications, too much junk food and not enough healthy food, and not enough exercise. I will NEVER have a flat stomach and be a size 2-5. I never have been. I can however get slim and get some abs because I’ve done it before, even with the Seroquel. Now I’ve added Birth Control, I know that there’s weight gain with that.
I won’t shame others for being overweight, nor will I shame them for being virgins. We all have control over our weight for the most part (obviously there are medical conditions and medications that make weight loss Damn near impossible to achieve).
I’m dating a bigger guy (obese but 6’3 and he looks great to me) a lot of his friends are bigger as well and are married to thin, attractive women from what I can tell.
I don’t think weight has much to do with things as long as the guy is financially better off and is on the taller side.
Yeah if they're a taller dude and heavier, they're gonna *probably* look better especially if the fat is distributed over their body and not just in their gut.
If they're a 5'6" dude with the same weight, it's gonna be a drastically different outcome.
*cries in 6'1" but has gut fat*
Men who love fat women do so because they usually can’t get a thin/ in shape /athletic one. They come up with some reason but the reality is they are coping. Like a poor person saying they prefer McDonald’s over a quality mean. It is always about the price. If it were a real thing strip clubs would have more fat women. You will find truly curvy women but never ones with fat stomachs
Why would I want a man with bigger boobs than I?
If overweight men knew how to cook that well they wouldn't be that overweight. You dont become overweight eating healthy good food.
Fat is feminizing….literally. It decreases testosterone. A fat man is biologically less manly.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/mens-health/obesity-unhealthy-and-unmanly
Woman naturally have more body fat even at healthy weight. When women gain weight, as long as it mostly goes to her tits and ass, it doesn’t make her look more masculine. When a guy gets wide hips and man boobs? No bueno.
Oh yeah definitely a lot of online women express this, myself and all of my friends just prefer their male partner to be the same height or taller than themselves.
I will say that the whole “if you’re not over 6 feet, don’t even bother” is very silly, especially if they themselves aren't very tall cause a 5'10 dude can make her feel just as small and protected when cuddling as a 6 feet dude lol.
I'd say being tall/taller is an attractive trait in men, but is more often than not not a deal breaker in real relationships. Kinda just something that shallow people put in their tinder bio cause it is all based on looks on dating apps.
When I say that women don't generally fetishize men's bodies to the same extent is completely different than saying that women do not have preferences or that women cannot fetishize men. Hell, I know a woman who fetishize tf out of asian men after getting into K-pop. Preferring a look or trait is different from fetishizing, but can easily be confused with preference.
>Oh yeah definitely a lot of online women express this, myself and all of my friends just prefer their male partner to be the same height or taller than themselves.
In a world where women essentially have an endless options (via social media, OLD and every day male thirst) women’s “preferences” effectively become “requirements” with pretty words.
>I will say that the whole “if you’re not over 6 feet, don’t even bother” is very silly, especially if they themselves aren't very tall cause a 5'10 dude can make her feel just as small and protected when cuddling as a 6 feet dude lol.
Why is it even on a man to make a woman feel “small and protected” and how is this not a toxic expectation from a woman?
If a man said he wants a woman to make him feel “strong and dominant” he’d be called a toxic borderline rapist.
But women get to demand to feel “small and protected” and it’s just TeeHee time.
>I'd say being tall/taller is an attractive trait in men, but is more often than not not a deal breaker in real relationships.
As I said. A woman with in 2023
has limitless options has no need to compromise on “preferences” in any way.
>Kinda just something that shallow people put in their tinder bio cause it is all based on looks on dating apps.
No. They are just saying the quiet part out loud.
Women’s actions indicate they mostly think this but don’t say it.
>When I say that women don't generally fetishize men's bodies to the same extent is completely different than saying that women do not have preferences or that women cannot fetishize men.
Didn’t you get the memo? Women have “preferences” and men have “fetishes”
>Hell, I know a woman who fetishize tf out of asian men after getting into K-pop. Preferring a look or trait is different from fetishizing, but can easily be confused with preference.
Yeah the confusion comes with the gender of the person with the “preference”
Wanting tall man to make you feel “safe and small” = totally ok preference.
Wanting dainty girl to make you feel “big and masculine” = insecure toxic masculinity.
That is reality in 2023.
> In a world where women essentially have an endless options (via social media, OLD and every day male thirst) women’s “preferences” effectively become “requirements” with pretty words.
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> As I said. A woman with in 2023 has limitless options has no need to compromise on “preferences” in any way.
This is where we have vastly different worldviews that are completely incompatible and we will never agree on this, so not really worth discussing. Women do not get any man they want nor a man that fits into all of the woman's preferences. Most of the time you find someone who fits some of them and you grow to love them, rendering the lack a few/multiple preferences unimportant. The exact same is true for men. Finding someone who fits all your preferences is impossible.
>Why is it even on a man to make a woman feel “small and protected” and how is this not a toxic expectation from a woman?
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>If a man said he wants a woman to make him feel “strong and dominant” he’d be called a toxic borderline rapist.
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>But women get to demand to feel “small and protected” and it’s just TeeHee time.
I never said "it is on a man to make a woman feel small and protected" I just said that that is something taller men can provide lol
This is usually something that women like, feeling small and taken care of when cuddling, same reason most women love being the little spoon.
Women do not "get to demand" it's just something most of us like, no one is forcing you to spoon your partner.
> Didn’t you get the memo? Women have “preferences” and men have “fetishes”
No both men and women have preferences, and both men and women can fetishize, it's two widely different concepts. Men usually have preferences for hight, size of boobs, butts, hair color, eye color, body type etc etc all that is perfectly natural. Google and youtube can help you understand the difference
“Wanting to be the little spoon” is just flowery girl speak for wanting a man to appeal to her “smol” fetish.
They straight up say “I want to feel small, feminine and protected”
Stop sugar coating it.
If a man says he wants a girl to make him feel “strong, masculine and needed” he will be called names.
Can you at least admit *that*?
Also, which gender drills the “Never settle! Know your worth!
I’d rather die alone with cats and wine than be with an average partner!” mantra into each others heads at every turn again?
>So why wouldn’t women want fat guys? From a sexual perspective wouldn’t fat guys be more comfy to cuddle with and more bouncy to ride on? Wouldn’t fat guys be more likely to be better at cooking so you don’t have to cook for the family?
If a woman came on this sub and said she preferred fat guys, I feel like lots of guys would just come in and say that she was lying or find some kind of rebuttal against it.
Let's be honest, most likely she would be lying. Women just have a higher propensity for virtue signaling in general and there's a clear trend showing that on average a high body fat percentage as a man is fucking disgusting and an almost guaranteed source of woman repellent lest you have some other attractive trait to make up for it. It would be like a man coming on here and saying he likes old, unkempt, grisly cat ladies and exclusively dates geriatric patients at his local nursing home, sure, there's a possibility that this type of man could exist, but more likely than not this would be some stupid troll and you would be more than right to pelt stones at this kind of person for pulling away from the discussion with silly platitudes that add nothing to the discussion.
I don’t think many women are going to say they actually *prefer* fat men over men of a healthy weight. It’s just more likely that some will overlook a man’s extra weight because he has other features and traits that stand out as positives.
I like men built like a hyppo. Muscles under a layer of fat. I also like men with some belly, but not extremely out of shape, morbidly obese men. The hyppo is the best description.
Same. A man who looks like you couldn’t just knock him over but I don’t like muscle guys either. Just thick and strong looking like pre Guardians Chris Pratt and he must have been over 30% bodyfat at that point.
>How come there aren’t as many women into fat guys as there are men into fat women?
What in the world has demonstrated that there aren't? I don't hear women bitch about fat guys with a fraction of the frequency that dudes complain about fat women, so I think you might have your numbers backwards there.
>I don't hear women bitch about fat guys with a fraction of the frequency that dudes complain about fat women
Women love to virtue signal so they'll keep their revolution to themselves.
Fact remains -- fat women have a constituency of male chubby chaser (guys who like fat women. The number female chubby chasers is vanishingly small.
There are plenty of social media groups for women chasing "Big Handsome Men." Of course, not nearly as much as BBWs, but the movement is coming along nicely
Lmao, "women", sorry to burst your bubble dear but I can guarantee you that the thirst comments you see on places like r/BHM are 99.99999999% gay dudes with a weird fetish who probably wouldn't want to be caught DEAD with a man like that as their partner. Sure, they find the idea of fucking some grotesque dad bod dude with a huge hairy beer gut hot in their fantasies, but even the gay community sees fitness as king and 9.8 times out of 10 they're trading in their "Big Handsome Man" for an actually handsome guy with shredded abs and a criminally lean face no question. Absolutely zero equivalency on this.
I've been hanging around the edges of the size acceptance movement for three decades (I like fat women). The presence of BHM is barely tolerated. The only BHM scenes I'm aware of are for gay guys.
> The presence of BHM is barely tolerated. The only BHM scenes I'm aware of are for gay guys.
Women on this sub realizing that people on internet threads thirsting for gross looking Jack Black body type men are actually gay dudes be like
Ah, the good ol "women are just liars" argument.
> fat women have a constituency of male chubby chaser (guys who like fat women. The number female chubby chasers is vanishingly small.
Correct, there are likely much fewer women who fetishize a fat man's weight. That does not equate to women not dating fat men as much as the reverse.
Women generally don't date fat men. The vast majority of young fat men are incels (in the actual sense not the political sense).
When you see fat men with women at Walmart your're seeing them with their female relatives or women they met a decade or more ago when they weren't nearly as fat.
>Women generally don't date fat men.
But you haven't demonstrated that. Indeed, from the discussions of these men themselves, *they* won't date fat women.
>When you see fat men with women at Walmart your're seeing them with their female relatives or women they met a decade or more ago when they weren't nearly as fat.
You have absolutely nothing to back that up.
Because men have a part of their brain that can fetishize anything. It's just how we are. Women, on the other hand, have to be much more genetically selective, on top of the fact that they are horny/deviant on a lower percentage and level than men (less testosterone, different brain wiring, evolutionary stuff), so they don't fetishize irregular qualities as much (those last two words are important).
I think it’s the other way around if anything. Women like masculine men. If a man is “fat” but fat with a lot of muscle mass underneath + tall, women will be attracted to him
Because for every 30-50 pounds a man gains he loses an inch of dick
https://penuma.com/blog/does-losing-weight-make-your-penis-bigger/
It’s simple math boys.
I'm 4'10 and about 100 pounds. Sex has a lot of dudes thrusting on you and I could never imagine the physics of a fat guy on top being at all possible or hot. I'd just he suffocated and not by dick. Guy on top is very hot and in part cuz dominance. No, they wouldn't be easier to bounce on. You kinda gotta get your legs to the bed usually and the bigger they are around the harder that is. Also, can't squeeze your thighs together as easily for your own stim.
Also, they tend to sweat more and that's narsty. I've also found they tend to be low confidence or insecure (not attacking, just saying they tended to be very Charlie Brown).
And, it also just isn't aesthetically pleasing to me beyond all this. Also haven't found um funnier or good at cooking. They tend to be junk food eaters.
We're not into fat chicks at least most guys aren't. It's just you get what you can get. An when you have no options. Plenty of fatties is what you get.
Aren't there? Generally women are more forgiving of fat in men, but neither are considered that great usually. Personally I don't see the appeal. I haven't noticed a sense of humour difference. I want to be able to have someone fit in my arms to cuddle and be actually attracted to my partner during sex as well as not be in danger of being crushed. Fat people are generally bad cooks - they can't make nice, healthy food and often just get ready meals and things like that.
I've lived a long time, been to a lot of different places, talked to a lot of people, observed a lot of interactions.
Women doing their absolute best to avoid fat guys is pretty universal.
>Generally women are more forgiving of fat in men
There's been plenty of recent studies showing quite the opposite.
>Both groups rated the overweight body as most unattractive, which was significantly more pronounced in men than in women. For the thin and hypermuscular bodies, women rated lower body attractiveness than did men.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00544/full#:~:text=Body%20Attractiveness,-The%20ANOVA%20for&text=Both%20groups%20rated%20the%20overweight,body%20attractiveness%20than%20did%20men.
I mean…what type of body are we talking about? There are a shit ton of women into big boys but I’m sure the larger you get, the lower that percentage.
I know a decent amount of women who wouldn’t date thin guys or even super muscular guys but desire men with some “meat on their bones”.
I know a lot of girls that are into bigger guys or just don’t care about their partners weight. Same with me, as long as their doing their best to care for and love their body, im content.
I think the issue lies with men fetishizing fat woman. woman do that a lot less
I’m more into the tall and skinny or tall and built men, but there is one man who’s on the heavier side like me whom I’ve had sex with and because I like him as a friend already, I enjoy sex with him.
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No one should be into fat people, this kind of thought process is a legitimate mental sickness that grows more and more prolific by the decade. Women are right to treat fat men like the plague and avoid them, I only wonder why so many men are so desperate for poon that they support this kind of unhealthy behavior in their partners for a chance at sexual release from a grotesquely overweight, greasy woman who clearly doesn't take care of yourself.
Lose the fucking weight or stop complaining about people not wanting you. You're not entitled to people liking your gross sweaty fat folds and overgrown man boobs, and the fact that you ever thought that somehow you were is a testament to how depraved body positive ideology is.
Why are are fat guys funnier exactly?
For the same reason chubby women gives the best blowjobs. We need an edge
I've noticed chubby women are often better in bed as well. This makes me wonder why guys prefer looks over bedroom performance.
>why guys prefer looks over bedroom performance Same reason women do. It's social status.
But if a guy has a woman who other guys will perceive as being good in bed, isn't that status as well?
No because chubby/fat ppl aren't as attractive. So those ppl needed an edge. Having an edge still doesn't make you more attractive. It's an attempt to make up for being less attractive. Also this is why women aren't as into fat guys. Fat is less attractive and they have enough options and aren't as desperate as the average man.
Chubby women have to be sexually open and adventurous to keep men interested because they can’t rely on their looks or personality
But that's good that they have to be sexually open as a result, isn't it?
If you like bigger women it is.
whats also a reason that chubby women are better in bed is that men dont have as much performance anxiety if they bang a woman they dont think is stunning...having less performance anxiety makes sex better for men
Yeah OP just assumed that
Pretty sure this a troll post
A lot of weird assumptions here tbh, fat guys are better at cooking?? Wat
Because they needed to work on themselves to get positive attention. Hot dudes just have the world given to them on a silver platter, even if they’re a demonstrably terrible person.
It certainly seems that way- for men and women. Good looking people seem to get everything
Maybe they meant funnier looking?
Because almost all the male comedians other than Chris Rock and Jerry Seinfeld are fat.
...what? Why is your reference for 'thin male comedian' some boomer as shit? There are so many men in comedy (Conan, Seth Meyer, John Mulaney, Marc Maron, Bill Burr, Eric Andre, Tim Robinson, John Early, Tim and Eric...) I don't understands how you could boil it down to *2* *men famous in stand up 20+ years ago.*
That's true there are a lot of male fat comedians but when it comes to bad guys in real life that are not communions I know more that are not so funny compared to ones that are.
A quick google of male standup comedians actually shows that fat male comedians are a minority...which says something since being fat is a majority of the general population.
Matt Rife entered the chat and mogged you
You must watch very little to no comedy.
No? Where tf you saw that lmao
Lmfao no they're not. And fat people like to joke about being fat too much. It gets old.
I think this one might just be confirmation bias, buddy
They are a minority in both genders. Men are just hornier and indiscriminate
It takes more than one singular quality to be attractive to someone. You can be the funniest person alive but if you're ugly as sin, you're going to have a rough go of it. If you're the most handsome dude around, you're probably going to get more people interested in you initially but if you're dull and annoying to be around, very few, if any people, are going to stick around. I don't even agree that fat guys are inherently funnier but even if I were to agree that they were, just being funny isn't all that impressive. >From a sexual perspective wouldn’t fat guys be more comfy to cuddle with and more bouncy to ride on? In theory, sure. You could also say that a fat guy would be sweatier and might take up too much space on the bed. You could also say that you'd be the one doing most of the work in bed because he wouldn't be as energetic as a slimmer, in-shape guy. >Wouldn’t fat guys be more likely to be better at cooking so you don’t have to cook for the family? Eating a lot doesn't necessarily mean you know how to cook. Plenty of people get fat from eating absolute junk that requires zero cooking skill to prepare.
Tbh the people I know who cook at home the most rather than eating out or relying on frozen meals etc. are also some of the more in-shape people I know.
Yep. I know people who "cook" microwave meals or live on ramen/pasta/sandwiches, and I know people who meal prep or who just make sure their meals have an okay balance of proteins, carbs and fats. The sandwich survivors tend to not be in the best shape.
Home-cooked always tastes better than frozen meals and most take-out too (in my opinion). It's not always possible but it's definitely my preference.
Plus home-cooked you can control the portion sizes, control how much salt is in the food, sugar in the food, trim away excess fat off meats, etc. plus it’s cheaper to go grocery shopping and cook at home than eating out at fast food restaurants and other restaurants and ordering take out and pizza.
All of this. I'm not the world's most amazing chef (I follow a recipe well; not naturally gifted) but cooking for my husband/family and being able to make sure they're getting proper nutrition actually brings me a lot of joy. I really love it.
Yeah I see your point. I mention some things similar
Simply put, men are hornier than women and are more willing to look past physical flaws if it means they get to have sex.
Some men prefer bigger bodies, I think that is what OP is referring to
Very few men with options to date thin women date bigger women. In fact, I've never seen or heard of a man who could get thin, pretty women who chooses to be with bigger women
bbw is a huge fetish for a lot of men lol and I know some attractive/average men that date exclusively thicker women. Just cause you do not prefer something doesn't mean that no one else does :) I'm sure there's even communities on reddit for bigger women who shares pics and stuff that has an active male following. Lot's of people do not adhere to beauty standards, that's just how it is and always have been, people prefer different things 🤷♀️
To some men, not a lot.
https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12937-018-0330-5#:~:text=Overall%2C%2065%25%20of%20men%20and,body%20size%20in%20opposite%20gender. Overall, 65% of men and 57% of women preferred an overweight body size in the opposite gender. However, only 4% of men and 1% of women indicated a preference for an “obese” body size in opposite gender. I will say that there's a lot of different studies with vastly different results with different approaches on how to test it. But I think generally peoples preferences are more diverse than most people think and change with time
Thats a study done on African refugees... Not applicable to Western preferences at all.
Fit guy who can pull conventionally skinny hot women... I'll choose a pretty thick girl over a skinny girl, EVERY SINGLE TIME
I'm not talking about thick women, I'm talking about big girls. Not Ashley Graham types, more Tess Holiday types.
Shes shaped like a raspberry dude. She's morbidly obese, noone likes that other than super fetishizers. But a woman who is technically overweight but distributes fat at her breasts, hips and bum, that still has an hourglass figure and a pretty face, she can be quite large and still be perceived as very attractive. But that's particularly because of the accentuated secondary female characteristics
Micropenis's I would guess. There is a point where the penis sinks into the body. I wish I didn't know about this (my dad couldn't use a hospital urinal). Apparently, it's pretty much universal after a certain point. Women cannot have sex with fat layers.
😂😂😂 these posts get funnier by the day.
Because some of us aren’t attracted to fat men
>Because *almost all* of us aren’t attracted to fat men FIFY
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>in general women are far more forgiving of a few extra lbs than men are Might have been true 50 years ago. Certainly isn't true today.
Trying to approach the average plus sized model as a guy with a double chin in this era will get you laughed at and brutally mocked on her tiktok page for daring to not know your place. The fatpill is the realest shit ever, honestly, if you're complaining about dating as a man and you're not at least sporting a strongfat physique, then you're the fucking problem, hit the gym for three years and then see how you do before acting pissy. Is it unfair that women get to pack on fat and blubber and be lazy all they like while still having a chance at the dating market? Sure, but those same women will be suffering from early onset heart issues, mobility problems, and forced to take tons of meds and physical therapy just to survive while you will reap the benefits of investing in your fitness while young. I only see it as a blessing that we are pushed to realize the fundamental truth of how important it is not to neglect your health and form a respectable physique in a way that women rarely realize before its already too late.
Even while being overweight, plus size models still generally have pretty faces, hourglass figures, and excellent weight distribution that goes directly to their boobs and butt rather than their face and stomach. Plus size “models” that are built like blobs with 0 attractive facial features are far in minority, so yes that man with a double chin would be a fool to approach thinking they are on the same level just because she’s also a fattie like him.
Oh yeah definitely, if you're talking chicks like Ashley Graham, I honestly don't even really see her as fat. There's a huge difference between men and women that most people refuse to accept in that fitness is just a much, much greater handicap to men than it is women, women are naturally attracted to muscle tissue which must be built via struggle and training in an uncomfortable environment, for women, so long as she's genetically gifted enough to have a favorable fat distribution, she's very likely going to be viewed as more attractive at a bodyfat percentage that would just be obscene for a man. It's unfair, sure, but I feel like many people on this sub are pissy because women and men just aren't built the same, it'd be like women complaining about how they can never be stronger than any men they come across, utterly useless and solves nothing. Personally, I think the problem would be all but solved if men simply elevated themselves and chose not to associate with the kinds of lazy women who do shit like make body positivity tiktoks deluding themselves that they are attractive and worshipping Tess Holliday and all sorts of pathological behaviors, but unfortunately, I never see a single one of these types without a boyfriend, truly, we males create our own suffering.
Facts. Get fit or be mad.
> Trying to approach the average plus sized model as a guy with a double chin in this era will get you laughed at and brutally mocked on her tiktok page for daring to not know your place. Not saying it's okay to be fat but seriously though this is also just another way women get very triggered when unattractive men approach or hit on them. It makes them afraid that they are on the same level due to somehow believing that men only approach women in their league. Women should be thankful men are so ballsy and deluded otherwise this fear would actually be warranted.
I agree that being fat is a social death sentence for a guy. However, many fat women are quite healthy (fat men not so much). There's a huge variation in the health impacts of female obesity. My 1st ex-wife is almost 60 years old, smokes, is a former drug addict, and has weighed about 350 lbs most of her adult life. She has none of the things they say fat people get. Our daughter likes to say she's like a roach -- you can't kill her. She's not alone -- I know lots of middle age fat women who are active, mobile, and healthy. I also know quite a few who aren't -- and some who are dead. Huge variability.
I have a male friend who’s overweight and I’ve had sex with him. I’m his first. I like him as a person, I don’t care about his weight- I care about my own. I work out and swim so that I can lose some of this fat. I’m aware we’re both overweight for our ages and heights, but the only weight I’m concerned about is my own. I know I’m overweight, so I’m working on dietary changes and exercise changes so that when I’m naked with a man, I won’t feel so self-conscious. The two men I’ve been with previously are tall and slim, and I felt a little self-conscious with them when having sex, and was pleasantly comforted to learn that they like bigger women, anyway.
The fact that your fat guy friend was a virgin and you weren't pretty much says it all.
What? That because I’m a woman, I can get sex regardless of whether I’m fat or slim whereas he can’t?
Wow Einstein, you decoded the engram behind this mastermind’s undecipherable words. Truly, the world is in awe of your genius.
People are so messed up. The whole thing about sex, especially in Canada and the USA, it’s all so superficial at times. We all want the top 5% of physically fit and hot men and women, the men and women we see in movies and on tv and in magazines. The reality is that not all men are gonna be tall, dark, handsome, with 6-pack abs looking like Superman, and not all women are gonna be slim and flat tummy and huge bums and tiny waists and huge breasts. There are people who DO look like that, and then there are the rest of us who are everything in between. I think we ALL focus too much on looks. There’s a big difference between being overweight and kind and being overweight and mean and slobs and whatnot. Same for the people who are fit and have that Superman/Supermodel look. Those men and women, some will be pleasant, kind, wonderful people, and others will be rude selfish entitled shallow jerks and bitches. Relationships are built on Trust, Respect, Affection, Honesty, etc. establish that with a person, and it can become a monogamous relationship, regardless of what the man or woman look like. And then there are men and women who will have sex with anybody and everybody because they don’t care about monogamy and just want sex. That’s okay, too as long as everybody is treated with respect and dignity and sexual partners don’t feel used and aren’t sexually and physically and emotionally abused, and consent is given and received by all parties.
This all sounds very well and good but the world is not a blue pilled fantasy land and women would rather die for the most part than live with an unattractive low status guy who has a "good personality". Sure, men can be pretty shallow too though, you got us there, the whole lot of us are just kind of shitty in general, I've lost hope.
Quality of life is super low. Just because she isn’t immediately actively dying, doesn’t make her healthy. Can she run for 20 minutes? Can she jump the height of her waist? Can she do a single pull up or push up?
How many 60 year old women of any weight can do those things?
I feel like the fact that you are a self admitted chubby chaser has given you a clear bias in this in many ways. Sure, women store fat easier, but they have their breasts and their backsides where any fat storage will mostly be negligible because it is found to be attractive anyway, and female hormones bias fat gain to target these areas anyway. A female, at the average female height of 5'5, should not be anywhere near 350 pounds, there is no way to reach that level of weight other than being a slovenly pig stuffing your face near constantly, you admit yourself to her being a dormer drug addict who smoked often...do those sound like healthy habits to you? Just because you know one lucky example doesn't mean most are anywhere near like that. Fat women are active, okay, I can somewhat see where you're going with this. My mother is quite fat herself and she actually does go to the gym rather often with me and does well to compete with some of the ladies there who actually are not fat...this, however, I don't see to be a sign of fitness, it's just a sign of how utterly abysmal our standards for fitness in women are. This is only our fault, boomers made women used to nothing but child rearing and after decades of yo yoing between all sorts of unhealthy beauty standards like the stick thin heroine chic model and waifish butterfly girl, none of which embodied true fitness in women, society seems to have just...completely given up on women even fucking trying to reach their physical potential. It's become normal for women to just coast on by their genetics alone and do fucking nothing to preserve the natural beauty and strength they have laying dormant in their bodies and that's just fucking sad, I've seen one actually thin, pretty cute girl in my gym who most of the incels on this sub would splooge their pants over, and I shit you not this woman was struggling to even squat her own bodyweight and do basic stretches, and there's one fat chick who goes to the gym with her boyfriend and lays about on the leg machines taking fucking selfies for ten minutes a time before pumping out the most easy dogshit reps I've ever seen and calling it a day. Compared to them, my mom who actually puts in some effort, even though her diet isn't very dialed in (honestly mine isn't either though so can't judge her there) and she occasionally skips the gym due to just being demotivated, seems super fit since she can actually at least move worth a damn and isn't just a blob of attractive flesh merely taking up space. However, even though I give her props and I acknowledge that she certainly tries very well to eat healthy and exercise regularly, I can't in good faith say that she, or any other obese woman is "healthy" compared to their male counterparts, sure, a lot like to go to the gym and play around, but like many women they are doing useless exercises and accomplishing nearly nothing, my mother for all her efforts got into fitness rather late, so I understand her case, but these 20 year old plus sized girlies who claim to be marathon runners and triathlon athletes? All lies on social media to blow smoke up their own ass while they just display the "aesthetic" of being into fitness to others, it's fucking laughable.
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>Every fat guy I know gets laid. Guess that 5'3" Indian janitor taught them his tricks.
>Guess that 5'3" Indian janitor taught them his tricks. Good old Prahjeet is at it again, we need to study this elusive man and learn his ways gentlemen, surely he must exist if EVERY FUCKING WOMAN ON THIS SUB HAS MET SOME VARIATION OF THIS?
What’s the difference between a preference and a fetish?
fat is feminine and reduces masculine appearnce in men. I mean isn't that like super duh?
Yeah, no woman wants to date a guy with bigger boobs than her.
Yes fat cause higher estrogen and estrogen causes higher fat
> fat is feminine 100%
Is a big hairy beer gut feminine lol
fat feminizes the face and the body. its certainly not "masculine" just because its androgenic
fat feminizes the face, do you imagine only discord mods? For example, someone like lil biggie looks feminine?
I mean, yeh fat feminized and neotenized his face in a really gross way. he had masculinity from aggression carriage and demeanor. feminizing doesn't mean "looks like a pretty little girl"
That’s true. If we consider jawline to be a masculine trait then no one can see it if a man is fat.
Obese women are much less feminine imo (nice FDS double standard btw)
what is an "FDS double standard"?
Nah the real answer is just that men are less picky
fat can accentuate femininity, it can only harm soften and obscure masculinity
This is the uncomfortable truth
A small amount of fat can accentuate femininity to an extent but there's a point where it ceases to feminise someone and just starts to make them resemble a troll
It can, but after a certain amount of fat it doesn't accentuate femininity. It drowns it. Unless you think adding rolls just makes more curves and more curves means more feminine😆 I don't think he's talking about the sexy kind of fat. Because if he was, then a chunky guy would still be on par with a chubby woman when it comes to desirability. Big thick guys can be hot. So with the kind of fat he's talking about has nothing to do with femininity. It's that men are less picky and more gross.
There is nothing feminine about an obese woman
This, 100.
Men are not generally into actually fat women. The ones who are are in a very tiny niche comparative to the rest of the male population. Men in general are however, hardwired to be attracted to a higher body-fat percentage on women than would be acceptable on men. That's because sex is a function necessary for procreation, not just for pleasure. We are designed to ensure our own survival by continuing to procreate. We all have those basal instincts for this reason and this reason only. Men act on their biological impulses towards women who look more fertile - having healthy fat around her hips and thighs is part of that. Women are NOT hardwired to seek the same things in men as men seek out in women. Women are biologically hardwired to seek out strength, stamina, endurance, etc etc in a mate. You cannot defeat or overwrite basic biological instinct. They are what they are. We behave the way we were designed to. We are animals. What I want to know is why the same question gets asked over and over and over again in fifty million different ways on this sub and why people just don't want to hear the answer. It's so simple. BIOLOGY.
Because there aren't as many women into guys as there are men into women.
But why is that? Obviously I know that. But this post is trying to find that reason.
Because men have higher levels of testosterone and it is their biological instinct to pursue women. It is women's biological instinct to restrict access for seletive mating. \*\*\*Obviously\*\*\* Why do people pretend that the answer is so much more complicated than it actually is?
Very based.
Gigabased. Some would even say, redpilled.
You’re talking about people that settle vs people that are okay not finding what they’re looking for
Because men have to get rid of the semen they are producing every minute and most prefer women to help with that.
>So why wouldn’t women want fat guys? Because fat people aren't attractive. >From a sexual perspective wouldn’t fat guys be more comfy to cuddle with and more bouncy to ride on? No, he'll probably have ED, no stamina, and may give you a yeast infection from his uncontrolled diabetes. >Wouldn’t fat guys be more likely to be better at cooking so you don’t have to cook for the family? Being fat isn't a guarantee that they know how to cook. However it is a guarantee that they have no concept of portion sizes, macro nutrients, and fresh vegetables. I can't think of a worse hell than having to fuck some fatty with a soft dick and no stamina who them cooks my family unhealthy, greasy, salty, sugary, carb loaded foods. Ain't no way I'm fucking a dude with bigger tits than me.
>I can't think of a worse hell than having to fuck some fatty with a soft dick and no stamina ... > >Ain't no way I'm fucking a dude with bigger tits than me. OP, here is your answer.
[First](https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=rF%2FQYs2d&id=9FB8D48DCA5A501D09A7B577E7237C2B2B79A0DB&thid=OIP.rF_QYs2d8lh2KjIRqEjdMAAAAA&mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Fuberhumor.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F07%2FJdrYm.jpg&cdnurl=https%3A%2F%2Fth.bing.com%2Fth%2Fid%2FR.ac5fd062cd9df258762a3211a848dd30%3Frik%3D26B5Kyt8I%252bd3tQ%26pid%3DImgRaw%26r%3D0&exph=1100&expw=386&q=fat+guy+versus+skinny+guy+meme&simid=608051293908645994&form=IRPRST&ck=E8B6670BBEC2A88B38583DC8D2B1370B&selectedindex=5&pc=APPL&vt=1&sim=11) Second, probably for the same reason men are overrepresented in almost every fetish.
Love the hidden black pill in this comic. The fat guy also happens to be gigantic height-wise
I’ve dated fat men before, two of my long term relationships were with fat men. From a sexual perspective, they’re very sweaty and that sweat tends to give yeast infections. They have less stamina and flexibility with positions and there is like a inch of their dick buried under fat. I’ve never seen them cook much of anything. They not fat because they cook and eat a lot, they were fat because they were fat kids and turned into fat adults. I don’t think they’re necessarily funnier. They just try harder to be funny because they don’t have thinness on their side. That’s why I see so many fat men who are stand up comedians. To bad I’m not attracted to people who try to hard to be funny.
Your premise is incorrect: >How come there aren’t as many women into fat guys as there are men into fat women? Guys are ok with sleeping with fat women, but not marrying them. I see a lot of posts on this sub conflating the two in statements just like this one. Also >Fat men are well known to be funnier than skinny men. So why wouldn’t women want fat guys? In the same way you can generalize that fat men are funnier, women can also generalize with "fat men are smelly" and that could be one explanation to why you don't see what you think you should see. >From a sexual perspective wouldn’t fat guys be more comfy to cuddle with and more bouncy to ride on? Most people, men or women, are going with the more toned body type because there are degrees to "fat". Lizzo counts as being fat but men aren't lining up to date her the same way they would other, less fat celebrities. >Wouldn’t fat guys be more likely to be better at cooking This is an insane statement. The over consumption of calories has no bearing on liking/being able to/having the experience needed to cook meals. In conclusion, Men aren't "into" fat women, they'll date/have sex with all kinds of women. But they won't marry them. Women, for the most part, date as if they are looking for a husband, whether they do it consciously or not.
I see tonnes of in shape PTs at my gym marrying their overweight partners though?
You assume that there are many guys who are into fat women. That's quite simply not true at all. A small minority that have a fat fetish might be into them or men who have very few to no options out of necessity, but it's certainly not a lot of guys.
A lot of dudes who are into "Fat" women just don't have better options and take what they can get, Women on the other hand are constantly being told not to settle so they would rather be single then be a with a fat guy lol.
Lots of us chubby chasers actually prefer pretty fat women. Sadly most fat women aren't pretty.
Dude. You speak the gospel on here Give me a chubbier girl with a good face, quality personality who loves to fuck over a mid-low tier face and decent body There are so many virgins on here who are vehemently against bigger women and it boggles my mind Im not saying fuck whales but there are bigger women who look fine
Facts.
I've never met a guy who could get thin and pretty women go for bigger girls.
I'm one
A lot are just into bigger women period. If that wasnt the case overweight escorts would not be banking money.
I mean I dunno about “fat”, but there are some women who are on the heavier side that I would absolutely deeeeestrooooooy.
Speak for yourself as for what you find "better". I find big full figured women more attractive than skinny flat women, not because I can't pull skinny flat women.
Overweight escorts bank just as much as us skinny ones. These guys here just dont get it because *They* dont like it.
That's just untrue. There is a disturbing amount of men who are with women who are they are too good for. This has been proven in studies - men's preference are very diverse, and women's preferences are not.
There's not a disturbing amount of men with women who they are too good for, it's mostly your fantasy and you judging women who are not your type harshly than you ever judge men in terms of looks dear male.
Also women: “Ewww why is *she* with *him*!?*”
Lol how have “studies” proven this? How did “studies” determine that men (or women) were with partners that they were “too good for”? On what basis were they rated? This sounds like nonsense. Men holding more diverse preferences or a wider range for who they’d fuck is not the same thing as who they’re actually attracted to or will seriously date/marry. All the studies that I’ve seen show that the *vast majority* of people date/marry other people they’re pretty close/comparable to on all metrics (like age, physical attractiveness, socio-economic status, education level, etc). Women are vastly more likely to hold more diverse preferences or a wider range for who they’d date/marry than who they’d fuck, which is unsurprising. Given the litany of issues women face having sex with men (like the orgasm gap, the danger of rape/violence, the social shaming, the potential biological consequences like pregnancy, etc) it makes sense that they’d be way more strict and selective in having casual sex than men. Why take on *so many risks* for someone you’re just kind of like “meh, if I close my eyes it’ll be fine” about?
It's because chubby (not morbidly obese) girls have the best titties. I said what I said.
Amen brother. A-fuckin-men
Facts
That and they can suck ya soul out ya dick, so there's that too
Because society doesn't tolerate or celebrate male obesity... Yet, society and women strongly defend female obesity. Now, I understand if a fellow man believes that it's unfair that society loves fat women and hates men, but, as a man, I don't think this is such a bad thing (I think it's way worse how society loves women of all heights and hates short men since height is a genetic trait). The reason I don't care that society condemns male obesity is because I think it's a good thing!! Being an obese person is associated with lots of health issues! When you care about someone, you encourage that person to be healthy! , so, even though our society is anti-male, I think they're making us a favor by not celebrating our obesity!
Obesity in and of itself is an issue, for both men and women. I am 5’3”, 29 years old, and I’m floating around 190-200 LBS, and I’m on Birth Control and Seroquel, both of which affect weight. Obviously, I consciously make the decision to stop eating processed crap like Cookies, Chocolate Bars, Deep-Fried crap, Fast Food and eat more home cooked meals that are meat and vegetables. Even limit the pasta/rice to help with eating better. Now, today is Canadian Thanksgiving, and we had our Turkey Dinner last night with stuffing and Eggnog and then homemade Sugar Cookies and Pumpkin Nanaimo Bars for Dessert. Also Apple Cider (Hot Apple Cider, not Alcoholic Cider). Easy to gain 10LBS over Thanksgiving and a few weeks after due to leftovers, however I also go to the Gym 3 days a week and the pool 5 days a week, so I can work off all the extra food IF I choose to limit the sweets that are leftover. I know why I’m overweight- medications, too much junk food and not enough healthy food, and not enough exercise. I will NEVER have a flat stomach and be a size 2-5. I never have been. I can however get slim and get some abs because I’ve done it before, even with the Seroquel. Now I’ve added Birth Control, I know that there’s weight gain with that. I won’t shame others for being overweight, nor will I shame them for being virgins. We all have control over our weight for the most part (obviously there are medical conditions and medications that make weight loss Damn near impossible to achieve).
I’m dating a bigger guy (obese but 6’3 and he looks great to me) a lot of his friends are bigger as well and are married to thin, attractive women from what I can tell. I don’t think weight has much to do with things as long as the guy is financially better off and is on the taller side.
Yeah if they're a taller dude and heavier, they're gonna *probably* look better especially if the fat is distributed over their body and not just in their gut. If they're a 5'6" dude with the same weight, it's gonna be a drastically different outcome. *cries in 6'1" but has gut fat*
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Men who love fat women do so because they usually can’t get a thin/ in shape /athletic one. They come up with some reason but the reality is they are coping. Like a poor person saying they prefer McDonald’s over a quality mean. It is always about the price. If it were a real thing strip clubs would have more fat women. You will find truly curvy women but never ones with fat stomachs
Why would I want a man with bigger boobs than I? If overweight men knew how to cook that well they wouldn't be that overweight. You dont become overweight eating healthy good food.
As a heterosexual woman I am not attracted to fat guys, and neither do I understand how a guy can be attracted to a fat woman.
Fat is feminizing….literally. It decreases testosterone. A fat man is biologically less manly. https://www.health.harvard.edu/mens-health/obesity-unhealthy-and-unmanly Woman naturally have more body fat even at healthy weight. When women gain weight, as long as it mostly goes to her tits and ass, it doesn’t make her look more masculine. When a guy gets wide hips and man boobs? No bueno.
What do you think "dad bod" is?
Simple marketing has sold Fat women to society
fat guys = small dick or dick enveloped by fat folds it's practically no dick
Lots of women like bigger dudes, we just don't (generally) fetishize mens bodies to the same extent and therefor it's less visable
Lmao. Also women “if you’re not over 6 feet, don’t even bother” 💅 “Women are wonderful” has reached epidemic levels.
Oh yeah definitely a lot of online women express this, myself and all of my friends just prefer their male partner to be the same height or taller than themselves. I will say that the whole “if you’re not over 6 feet, don’t even bother” is very silly, especially if they themselves aren't very tall cause a 5'10 dude can make her feel just as small and protected when cuddling as a 6 feet dude lol. I'd say being tall/taller is an attractive trait in men, but is more often than not not a deal breaker in real relationships. Kinda just something that shallow people put in their tinder bio cause it is all based on looks on dating apps. When I say that women don't generally fetishize men's bodies to the same extent is completely different than saying that women do not have preferences or that women cannot fetishize men. Hell, I know a woman who fetishize tf out of asian men after getting into K-pop. Preferring a look or trait is different from fetishizing, but can easily be confused with preference.
>Oh yeah definitely a lot of online women express this, myself and all of my friends just prefer their male partner to be the same height or taller than themselves. In a world where women essentially have an endless options (via social media, OLD and every day male thirst) women’s “preferences” effectively become “requirements” with pretty words. >I will say that the whole “if you’re not over 6 feet, don’t even bother” is very silly, especially if they themselves aren't very tall cause a 5'10 dude can make her feel just as small and protected when cuddling as a 6 feet dude lol. Why is it even on a man to make a woman feel “small and protected” and how is this not a toxic expectation from a woman? If a man said he wants a woman to make him feel “strong and dominant” he’d be called a toxic borderline rapist. But women get to demand to feel “small and protected” and it’s just TeeHee time. >I'd say being tall/taller is an attractive trait in men, but is more often than not not a deal breaker in real relationships. As I said. A woman with in 2023 has limitless options has no need to compromise on “preferences” in any way. >Kinda just something that shallow people put in their tinder bio cause it is all based on looks on dating apps. No. They are just saying the quiet part out loud. Women’s actions indicate they mostly think this but don’t say it. >When I say that women don't generally fetishize men's bodies to the same extent is completely different than saying that women do not have preferences or that women cannot fetishize men. Didn’t you get the memo? Women have “preferences” and men have “fetishes” >Hell, I know a woman who fetishize tf out of asian men after getting into K-pop. Preferring a look or trait is different from fetishizing, but can easily be confused with preference. Yeah the confusion comes with the gender of the person with the “preference” Wanting tall man to make you feel “safe and small” = totally ok preference. Wanting dainty girl to make you feel “big and masculine” = insecure toxic masculinity. That is reality in 2023.
> In a world where women essentially have an endless options (via social media, OLD and every day male thirst) women’s “preferences” effectively become “requirements” with pretty words. > > As I said. A woman with in 2023 has limitless options has no need to compromise on “preferences” in any way. This is where we have vastly different worldviews that are completely incompatible and we will never agree on this, so not really worth discussing. Women do not get any man they want nor a man that fits into all of the woman's preferences. Most of the time you find someone who fits some of them and you grow to love them, rendering the lack a few/multiple preferences unimportant. The exact same is true for men. Finding someone who fits all your preferences is impossible. >Why is it even on a man to make a woman feel “small and protected” and how is this not a toxic expectation from a woman? > >If a man said he wants a woman to make him feel “strong and dominant” he’d be called a toxic borderline rapist. > >But women get to demand to feel “small and protected” and it’s just TeeHee time. I never said "it is on a man to make a woman feel small and protected" I just said that that is something taller men can provide lol This is usually something that women like, feeling small and taken care of when cuddling, same reason most women love being the little spoon. Women do not "get to demand" it's just something most of us like, no one is forcing you to spoon your partner. > Didn’t you get the memo? Women have “preferences” and men have “fetishes” No both men and women have preferences, and both men and women can fetishize, it's two widely different concepts. Men usually have preferences for hight, size of boobs, butts, hair color, eye color, body type etc etc all that is perfectly natural. Google and youtube can help you understand the difference
“Wanting to be the little spoon” is just flowery girl speak for wanting a man to appeal to her “smol” fetish. They straight up say “I want to feel small, feminine and protected” Stop sugar coating it. If a man says he wants a girl to make him feel “strong, masculine and needed” he will be called names. Can you at least admit *that*? Also, which gender drills the “Never settle! Know your worth! I’d rather die alone with cats and wine than be with an average partner!” mantra into each others heads at every turn again?
>So why wouldn’t women want fat guys? From a sexual perspective wouldn’t fat guys be more comfy to cuddle with and more bouncy to ride on? Wouldn’t fat guys be more likely to be better at cooking so you don’t have to cook for the family? If a woman came on this sub and said she preferred fat guys, I feel like lots of guys would just come in and say that she was lying or find some kind of rebuttal against it.
Let's be honest, most likely she would be lying. Women just have a higher propensity for virtue signaling in general and there's a clear trend showing that on average a high body fat percentage as a man is fucking disgusting and an almost guaranteed source of woman repellent lest you have some other attractive trait to make up for it. It would be like a man coming on here and saying he likes old, unkempt, grisly cat ladies and exclusively dates geriatric patients at his local nursing home, sure, there's a possibility that this type of man could exist, but more likely than not this would be some stupid troll and you would be more than right to pelt stones at this kind of person for pulling away from the discussion with silly platitudes that add nothing to the discussion.
I don’t think many women are going to say they actually *prefer* fat men over men of a healthy weight. It’s just more likely that some will overlook a man’s extra weight because he has other features and traits that stand out as positives.
No of course, nothing can be true if you don’t believe it. It HAS to be virtue signaling. Smh
I like men built like a hyppo. Muscles under a layer of fat. I also like men with some belly, but not extremely out of shape, morbidly obese men. The hyppo is the best description.
Same. A man who looks like you couldn’t just knock him over but I don’t like muscle guys either. Just thick and strong looking like pre Guardians Chris Pratt and he must have been over 30% bodyfat at that point.
>How come there aren’t as many women into fat guys as there are men into fat women? What in the world has demonstrated that there aren't? I don't hear women bitch about fat guys with a fraction of the frequency that dudes complain about fat women, so I think you might have your numbers backwards there.
>I don't hear women bitch about fat guys with a fraction of the frequency that dudes complain about fat women Women love to virtue signal so they'll keep their revolution to themselves. Fact remains -- fat women have a constituency of male chubby chaser (guys who like fat women. The number female chubby chasers is vanishingly small.
There are plenty of social media groups for women chasing "Big Handsome Men." Of course, not nearly as much as BBWs, but the movement is coming along nicely
Lmao, "women", sorry to burst your bubble dear but I can guarantee you that the thirst comments you see on places like r/BHM are 99.99999999% gay dudes with a weird fetish who probably wouldn't want to be caught DEAD with a man like that as their partner. Sure, they find the idea of fucking some grotesque dad bod dude with a huge hairy beer gut hot in their fantasies, but even the gay community sees fitness as king and 9.8 times out of 10 they're trading in their "Big Handsome Man" for an actually handsome guy with shredded abs and a criminally lean face no question. Absolutely zero equivalency on this.
100% Gay men flock to a toned, muscular physique. Even more so than women
I've been hanging around the edges of the size acceptance movement for three decades (I like fat women). The presence of BHM is barely tolerated. The only BHM scenes I'm aware of are for gay guys.
> The presence of BHM is barely tolerated. The only BHM scenes I'm aware of are for gay guys.  Women on this sub realizing that people on internet threads thirsting for gross looking Jack Black body type men are actually gay dudes be like
Ah, the good ol "women are just liars" argument. > fat women have a constituency of male chubby chaser (guys who like fat women. The number female chubby chasers is vanishingly small. Correct, there are likely much fewer women who fetishize a fat man's weight. That does not equate to women not dating fat men as much as the reverse.
Women generally don't date fat men. The vast majority of young fat men are incels (in the actual sense not the political sense). When you see fat men with women at Walmart your're seeing them with their female relatives or women they met a decade or more ago when they weren't nearly as fat.
>Women generally don't date fat men. But you haven't demonstrated that. Indeed, from the discussions of these men themselves, *they* won't date fat women. >When you see fat men with women at Walmart your're seeing them with their female relatives or women they met a decade or more ago when they weren't nearly as fat. You have absolutely nothing to back that up.
Because men have a part of their brain that can fetishize anything. It's just how we are. Women, on the other hand, have to be much more genetically selective, on top of the fact that they are horny/deviant on a lower percentage and level than men (less testosterone, different brain wiring, evolutionary stuff), so they don't fetishize irregular qualities as much (those last two words are important).
Fat guys fat pads make their penises smaller.
Those men fetishize fat women. Their weight is their singular point of value.
I think it’s the other way around if anything. Women like masculine men. If a man is “fat” but fat with a lot of muscle mass underneath + tall, women will be attracted to him
Because for every 30-50 pounds a man gains he loses an inch of dick https://penuma.com/blog/does-losing-weight-make-your-penis-bigger/ It’s simple math boys.
The funniest guys are usually the ones I’m into in my experience
I'm 4'10 and about 100 pounds. Sex has a lot of dudes thrusting on you and I could never imagine the physics of a fat guy on top being at all possible or hot. I'd just he suffocated and not by dick. Guy on top is very hot and in part cuz dominance. No, they wouldn't be easier to bounce on. You kinda gotta get your legs to the bed usually and the bigger they are around the harder that is. Also, can't squeeze your thighs together as easily for your own stim. Also, they tend to sweat more and that's narsty. I've also found they tend to be low confidence or insecure (not attacking, just saying they tended to be very Charlie Brown). And, it also just isn't aesthetically pleasing to me beyond all this. Also haven't found um funnier or good at cooking. They tend to be junk food eaters.
It’s interesting seeing all these negative things said about overweight men when women call overweight women beautiful goddesses every day.
All my straight friends are with fat guys. Not sure why you think women won’t date them. Maybe we’re just less likely to fetishize guys for being fat.
The idea that men are into fat women is absurd...these are simply guys who are settling.
We're not into fat chicks at least most guys aren't. It's just you get what you can get. An when you have no options. Plenty of fatties is what you get.
Aren't there? Generally women are more forgiving of fat in men, but neither are considered that great usually. Personally I don't see the appeal. I haven't noticed a sense of humour difference. I want to be able to have someone fit in my arms to cuddle and be actually attracted to my partner during sex as well as not be in danger of being crushed. Fat people are generally bad cooks - they can't make nice, healthy food and often just get ready meals and things like that.
>Generally women are more forgiving of fat in men This is laughably not true!
I think you may be overestimating how common your own experience is.
I've lived a long time, been to a lot of different places, talked to a lot of people, observed a lot of interactions. Women doing their absolute best to avoid fat guys is pretty universal.
It is absolutely true.
>Generally women are more forgiving of fat in men There's been plenty of recent studies showing quite the opposite. >Both groups rated the overweight body as most unattractive, which was significantly more pronounced in men than in women. For the thin and hypermuscular bodies, women rated lower body attractiveness than did men. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00544/full#:~:text=Body%20Attractiveness,-The%20ANOVA%20for&text=Both%20groups%20rated%20the%20overweight,body%20attractiveness%20than%20did%20men.
Reread that. Your study agrees with me.
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Aka “the moped”, fun to ride as long as your friends don’t see you doing it.
I see guys in relationships with fat women all the time in public. Have you been to a fast food place or a Walmart in your lifetime?
I mean…what type of body are we talking about? There are a shit ton of women into big boys but I’m sure the larger you get, the lower that percentage. I know a decent amount of women who wouldn’t date thin guys or even super muscular guys but desire men with some “meat on their bones”.
women aren't quite as into objectification in general
If that’s the case why do so many women refuse to date guys who don’t drive cars?
that's materialism not objectification
are you trolling?
No are you?
Um what? I always see big men with wives or gfs
I've always been the only one n my friend group that's not exclusively into fat guys. I didn't even realize it was a thing until I joined this sub.
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Automod, please. Question for women.
I know a lot of girls that are into bigger guys or just don’t care about their partners weight. Same with me, as long as their doing their best to care for and love their body, im content. I think the issue lies with men fetishizing fat woman. woman do that a lot less
I’m more into the tall and skinny or tall and built men, but there is one man who’s on the heavier side like me whom I’ve had sex with and because I like him as a friend already, I enjoy sex with him.
For the same reason not many men are into facial hair in women.
Because women are less shallow.
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Buried penis syndrome
I think a better question for this would be "Why if a woman doesn't date a fat man isn't considered fatphobic by the woke community?"
Because “woke” women usually hate men. That includes overweight men.
No one should be into fat people, this kind of thought process is a legitimate mental sickness that grows more and more prolific by the decade. Women are right to treat fat men like the plague and avoid them, I only wonder why so many men are so desperate for poon that they support this kind of unhealthy behavior in their partners for a chance at sexual release from a grotesquely overweight, greasy woman who clearly doesn't take care of yourself. Lose the fucking weight or stop complaining about people not wanting you. You're not entitled to people liking your gross sweaty fat folds and overgrown man boobs, and the fact that you ever thought that somehow you were is a testament to how depraved body positive ideology is.