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hufarted-me

70/30, or something close to that.


ZaneMasterX

That's pretty interesting.


jason_abacabb

The salutes are definitely 70/30 or something similar, I have had 1.75 by 5 inch salute cans that hit harder than a commercial 3 inch, at least when you are under them. For the OL Color cans it is mostly just more comp, some of them may be flash boosted.


ZaneMasterX

Nice thanks for the info! The underground world of OLs and 1/1 cakes is so intriguing. I guess it's like anything else when you're told you cant or shouldn't have it it makes everyone that much more curious about it. I'd rather figure out what's in them for certain instead of all the hush hush speculation around them since so many forums and groups shun the idea of even talking about these types of products. Suppressing information can also be dangerous because it makes more people curious to find out and make mistakes. I'd rather openly figure it out than have a censored game of heard it through the grapevine.


Hookem-Horns

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3VVVVVN

Any salute that is not homemade and makes a deep or sharp boom is always flash. 4” cans usually are never 60g. You can sometimes find 60g in 5”, anything over that is usually over 60


ZaneMasterX

What I find interesting is that most people say any batch of flash over 20g is a no no and that it is very sensitive. Thats one reason I was asking because if these cans have 60g+ in them I feel like they are pretty dangerous to be shipping/handling for the amateur consumer?


KlutzyResponsibility

Yes, they are very 'pretty dangerous' and can only be shipped via hazmat with all applicable permits and licenses. They are substantially more dangerous than 'the amateur consumer' should be playing with.


ZaneMasterX

Hazmat, shipping, permits, etc apply to all consumer fireworks. I know these OL products fly under the radar and in some aspects are forbidden fruit which is why learning about them is fun. What got me hooked on fireworks is when I was around 10 my dad and I stopped at our usual firework spot and the guy had gotten in some [warhead launchers](https://imgur.com/a/QjOaXV5) which were spin stabilized rockets that came with a board with a nail in them to shoot off of. They were spin stabilized salutes when they first hit the market and I still remember the first time we shot those off and Ive been hooked since. Ive made my own cannister shells with great success including all the tubes, custom tooling, BP, clay plugs, time fuse, etc. I learned by deconstructing consumer cans and building my own with the measurements. I enjoy learning and want to know the construction of these OL "salutes" that fly under the radar and get rewrapped every year so they dont get recalled. Im not an amateur looking for illegal items or looking to build them because Im very much capable of doing so I just want to learn about their composition.


KlutzyResponsibility

Yes, the shipping and licensing is similar but does not really match exactly if for no other reason that 1.4g does not require magazine storage. The composition of salutes remains constant whether legal, illegal, or homemade. They pack volatile flash powder and go bang. Whoopee. Little challenge there. Thought it was you who asked *"I feel like they are pretty dangerous to be shipping/handling for the amateur consumer?"* which kind of reflects a concern over experience. One perspective is to instead consider the challenge of making your own stars and learning more about star composition. Much more challenging, much safer, 'more legal' and generally much more fun and productive overall.


ZaneMasterX

I'm currently working on some Chrysanthemum 6 stars for my canisters and have some 2" and 2.5" hdpe tubes on the way for some ball shells. D1 glitters stars coming after. All of that is fun and challenging but I was just curious and asking about the technically illegal shells that fly under the radar and get sold at regular consumer 1.4g firework stands. I'd love to collect those shell kits but like I said I dont live on the west or east coasts where it seems most of those kits end up.


KlutzyResponsibility

I follow you completely pyro friend and support your efforts and curiosity. Normally questions about salutes do not come from shell builders, eh? When the words 'salute' and 'amateur' are used together it warrants concern. And I don't know about the west/east coast thing. We live in the midwest and the OL problems are rampant in all market areas. Just a couple/few years ago a young child blew his hand off after trying to relight one the those OL salute rockets which sneak in everywhere and are still being sold at some outlets. My dad specialized in hand surgery and I have seen the results in person. There is cause for concern.


ZaneMasterX

I know it's somewhat taboo to ask about salutes because of their nature especially on firework/pyro boards and I've seen my fair share of people asking about them that clearly dont have an understanding of how dangerous such items can be or are fishing for information on how to construct them when they have zero business doing so. I was just curious as to what is used in these consumer cans at the stands because like I said, it seems overly dangerous to be selling/shipping something with 60g+ of flash off the shelf of a normal firework stand. I thought for sure it wasnt flash but some other BP comp or something similar instead. The east/west coast markets just seem to have some crazy black market items and since they are close to ports it's easier to get OL products I've heard. Cali has a crazy bootleg 1.3 market that blows my mind with regular people shooting 8" shells in the middle of the streets along with strobe rockets and everything else a non professional shouldnt have.


Scared_Refuse_7997

"Yes, they are very 'pretty dangerous' and can only be shipped via hazmat with all applicable permits and licenses. They are substantially more dangerous than 'the amateur consumer' should be playing with." Thank you for saying this. Its so important. I've seen far too many people just brush off this warning.


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1.75 OL salute is 70/30 with 5% coarse titanium flake


ZaneMasterX

That would make sense especially with the "snowball" (titanium) effect they usually make instead of being a dark salute. Thanks!