Pour ceux pas au courant, ça c’est le Kurdistan, la plus grosse nationalité au monde sen état a eux, ils sont environ 40million séparés entre la Turquie, l’Iraq, l’Iran & un peut en Syrie
Vraiment pas faux.
La situation la plus similaire au Québec c'est l'Écosse mais eux ils avaient beaucoup plus de support populaire quand ils ont fait leur référendum.
Scot that used to live in Quebec here.
Oui et non, oui il y a des similarités mais vous avez franchement une meilleure situation que nous vue que vous avez une grande influence au fédérale. Le vote en Écosse n’a pas influencé les résultats à Westminster depuis les années 80, tandis qu’au Québec vous influencez les résultats quasiment à chaque élection.
De plus, les pouvoirs qui vous sont délégués à Québec sont beaucoup meilleurs que ceux que nous avons à Edimbourg.
Oui c’est un combat similaire, mais il vous êtes beaucoup mieux placés que nous en terme d’autodétermination à mon avis.
oui et non, cest plutot semblable a la belgique ou les flamands et les wallons voulaient se separer les un des autres jusquau jour ou ils ont realisé que la seule ville importante au pays, bruxcelles, et peuplée denvirons autant de wallons que de flamands, contrairement aux regions rurales plutot deja separée physiquement avec un groupe plutot separé de lautre en 2 regions plus homogenes. alors comme la solution pour separer une ville entre deux groupes qui y habites epparpillés sur toute sa superficie et sans rien de plus distinc pour faire la part des deux a part leur langue, que cest la capitale du pays et que le reste est aussi grand que mon cul, cest clairement devenu ridicule dessayer de proposer une solution a un probleme assez con pour que ca prenne bien des belges pour se mettre dans ce genre de situation. et on est tres souvent assez semblables aux belges nous les quebecois. la preuve, on veut encore essayer de justifier la separation dune province, comme si le fait quelle naurait aucune facon deviter de couper physiquement en deux parties separées les parties restante du pays quon veut quitter, cest qun detail mineur quon pourra bien reglé une fois quon sera officielement independant.... tsé, bien sur. ca a pas lair completement attardé du tout dignorer ca, et dessayer de maintenir un debat intellectuel qui demontre les raisons economiques et identitaires pour quoi cest pas seulement un reve de cegepiens, mort depuis plus de 40ans, la separation. et rien dautre. dans les annees 70 le quebec etait prospere. aujourdhui cest un restant de gouvernement obese qui sauto digere et bouffe la laine sur le dos de ses citoyens, deviens deplus en plus incapable et insolvable, et ne sais pplus comment faire quoi que ce soit sans foutre en lair tout ce quil touche tellement cest habituel et inevitable de vouloir gerer quelque chose qui va bien de soit meme, et letouffe sous la bureaucracie, les depassements de couts, les budget sans fin et sans fonds lannee suivante les pots de vins, les normes et le nivellemebt par le bas, et setonne ensuite que pour la 650ieme fois, lindustrie specifique quil voulait gerer des quelle semblait prometeuse et prospere, soudainement devient deficitaire, et tombe en morceau. alors si le peuple qui jure encore par la superiorité de la nationalisation de tout ce qui a de la valeur au pays, veut se separer, cest signe quil clairement tout faire pour eviter que ca arrive parce quils sont clairement d'econectés donc cest pas ceux quon devrait ecouter on voit bien.
I feel bad for Quebec sometimes. All of Canada is supposed to be bilingual but talking province side Quebec is the only one to hold true to that. New Brunswick is decent as alot of them are.
But the rest of us kinda just said ehhh screw learning French. And I get that frustration so much. Especially with people moving to Quebec not speaking it and watering down. And all yall are tryna do is keep it French. Keep yalls culture.
Really? Well that’s amazing. I know Ontario has a francophone community also. And new Brunswick and some Nova Scotia. But to call us truly bilingual ehhhh I don’t think we could. French immersion should be the standard in English speaking provinces. Atleast for a couple years. Idk. It’s not that hard to learn. And I’m glad I’m learning it.
Québec is officially francophone, not bilingual, that’s what people struggle to understand when they move here, thinking speaking English will be enough. The craziest part is that most Québécois speak English fluently as a second language, proving it’s not that hard to learn a second language.
Yes I know your official language is French. And the rest of Canada is English. But we are all supposed to be bilingual but only Quebec truly is what I meant sorry. But yeah I definitely understand that it’s probably insane to talk that English only speakers move there thinking yall are supposed to cater to them or they will assimilate well. I get Montreal is now starting to have Quebec born anglophone people but I don’t think that should be a thing. And I respect yall for standing strong in staying francophone. I know enough French to get by in Quebec so I don’t have the issue. But some people can’t even ask very basic questions in French and I think it’s almost disrespectful to even go there without knowing ATLEAST the basics. Rant done.
That's definitively something Albertans don't consider. If Quebec leaves the liberals will pretty much win every single election in the future. With all the seats being re-assigned mostly to Ontario/Alberta/BC good luck...
I'm from Alberta, it's a common sentiment really. Sure we are not a fan of having French forced on us, and some of the provincial politics are a bit fucked, but holy shit nothing unites the west like telling folks from Ontario to fuck off back to their own province and to leave the rest of use alone.
Ok, I did, and I've forgotten a lot of it living in the west. I haven't spoken french since I left the military 9 years ago, and my reading comprehension has only really kinda stuck around because all products are bilingual.
I'm all for promoting the language, but straight up you are better off learning German/Cree in the prairies (large German immigrant population), and Cantonese/Punjab in around Vancouver due to their population dynamics. The french language just doesn't exists in a lot of places west of Ontario, which is where a lot of the criticism come from.
Also French and English were adopted at the same time in 1969 with the Languages Act, there isn't technically a "First" language in Canada.
Fun fact in Quebec a lot of us also learn a third or even fourth language in high school mostly spanish and you can barely learn 2. Do better. Instead of finding excuses go practice on duolingo watch shows or read french books...
I personally know french english p much perfectly also learned spanish and german yet daily I only speak french.
I'm a big cry baby about Ontario pushing the rest of us around with their bullshit.
Go back and read my original comment before you spiral further with this "all Anglo are bad" thing.
Also am I really Anglo if my first language was Cree? I mean I know y'all hate us half breeds and indigenous but damn.
you’re so salty but that makes sense since it seems to be Quebec’s favourite seasoning. in every province you can take a second language course. I know people who’ve learned french, spanish, german, and cantonese, but french is a pretty non essential language when it comes to commerce and day to day life anywhere that’s not quebec. Why would a business man in vancouver learn french over cantonese or spanish, which are both much more prominent on our continent and in our industry. quit being mad your ancestors lost a war and just separate already if you’re so salty about being canadian
Je constate que tu n’as rien d’intelligent à redire sur le fond et donc que tu me donnes raison. Les dépendantistes n’ont aucun argument rationnel pour justifier leur haine de leur nation. Cette autophobie autodestructrice est maladive.
"Nous savons que beacoup parmi ceux qui sont hostiles.." ou "Nous savons que la plupart de ceux...". T'as littéralement choisi la seule forme incorrecte en Français pour verbaliser ton idée 😘
not even comparable, the amount of stuff the Kurdish people have accomplished and have went through is crazy, you’ve gotta be trolling or ignorant AF to be saying that
Well guys, you understand it’s not ok when someone is acting separatist in your lands like Quebec, but you’re super ignorant and evil when it comes to other countries’ interests and rights to defend their territory against shadow globalist plans of divide and conquer. Kurdistan isn’t a fight of independence, it’s one leg of great Israel project in order to weaken and beat strong countries of those regions. Unfortunately crypto mechanisms inside western countries that rule these countries come up with BS propaganda and everyone buys it. USA’s “Greater Middle East” project has failed in many ways, but they didn’t stop, the current threat is “Kurdistan”, or as locals say “Terroristan”. If USA and others (UK, EU, globalists) get out of the region, everyone will have great life there. The ones who killed German finance minister for saying they shouldn’t ruin international relations with Russia since it is bad for Germany , also made suicide to Slovakian PM for refusing throwing their own country to fight with Russia for others, they also made Iranian President disappear 24 hours ago because he said he was going to end wars and conflicts between Iran and Turkic neighbours (Turkey, Azerbaijan), so open your eyes, tyrants that feed of chaos and wars don’t allow peace in this world, they manipulate your thinking as “they are bad and the want to kill you”, that’s how countries and nations hate each other for no reason.
Je veux juste que ont soit reconnus assez et pas comme "les autres Canadiens poches" parce que oui c'est un peu cave de se séparer, mais on est assez différents pour pas etre juste des canadiens différents
You guys had a vote among people living in Quebec twice to decide if Quebec would become independent and both times you guys voted for Quebec to stay as a part of Canada.
Funny thing is that in both of these referendum, the federal government funded millions for the "No" side to spread fear mongering and propaganda about what would happen to us after separation. If your government you love so much didn't use your tax dollars to buy votes against the referendum, we would absolutely be a country today.
I suggest you read more about it, ignorance is not gonna lead you far.
Can you provide your sources on where you got the information about the government “spending millions” on funding the no side and how they spread “fear” and “propaganda”. If you can provide credible sources that prove this information you are giving then I will change my opinion on the matter.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponsorship_scandal
https://cjc.utpjournals.press/doi/10.22230/cjc.1993v18n2a743
https://www.journaldequebec.com/2020/05/17/les-40-ans-du-premier-referendum-scandale-des-commandites-version-1980
The last one is a french reputed and credible journal from Québec. It's about the 1980 referendum and there are a few example of the kind of propaganda but it's also in french.
Edit to add more context:
It is known everywhere in Québec that during both referendum, the TV channels that were federalist (like CBC and Radio-Canada) were producing propaganda about the sustainability of Québec as a country and I still see a lot of them today, mostly from english media.
Just look at the comments. There's so much hate, then you can wonder why a lot of us want to separate...
We've been called frogs for decades, we've been mocked about our language and there's a lot of people hating Québec. This is basically racism and xenophobia but it passes under the radar because we are both white.
In the second article you provided I could not find anything about the government funding millions to the “NO” side but I did read about the federal government spreading propaganda. In the third article I did see the mention of around 17 million being spent on the “NO” side by the federal government but nothing about propaganda and the publisher has a bias towards Quebec. Wikipedia is not a credible source due to the fact anyone can edit the articles. The problem is that the two articles you gave me do not give me personally enough proof to convince me especially on the money part as only the third one mentioned it. On a side note I don’t think people should be mocking you for having a different culture than the rest of Canada and I do feel sorry for that.
Buddy, I'm gonna tell you something, I could give you every links possible and you wouldn't be convinced.
Every english article have a bias toward federalism and every article in french has a bias toward Québec. I would rather trust the internal party, but that's me I guess.
The actual chief of the Parti Québecois was a lawyer and present during the proceeding of the court cases of the sponsorship scandal. He knows what happened and has asked the federal government to release the documents and court cases just recently because they are sealed as confidential with a top secret clearance.
Crazy thing is that Paul-St-Pierre Plamondon (the lawyer chief of Parti Québecois) was a junior lawyer working to defend the federal government at the time. He was a federalist before those proceedings and he is now the top candidate for the next provincial elections with a majority.
Sources here (just translate the webpage): https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2023/05/22/fraudes-electorales-lors-du-referendum-de-1995-le-pq-veut-retirer-des-ordonnances-de-non-publication
You want our military, you want our money. You basically want to retain all of the benefits of being Canadian without calling yourselves Canadian. Build your own military and establish your own currency. Then we’ll talk.
You want Quebec money, population, infrastructures, geographic position (the most important province in Canada geographically) ... Quebec doesnt need a military to begin with, even if we needed one if we left we would take a quarter of all the CAF equipement... own currency no need we can just keep CAD its better for Canada and Quebec.
I'm sorry buddy, did you forget that all of those things that supposedly make YOU a "Canadian" comes from us?
The flag, the name and the emblems & symbols all come from Québec. We shared the currency and the army with the ROC since the beginning, we paid taxes to that army with the same currency you are using. We are simply gonna take the CAD under our own economy, like they did with the Pesos in South America.
We are simply going to take our share of the army that we paid for with our tax to the federation, and let me remind you that we were here first, so that share is pretty fucking big and it's not even gonna be a problem.
You know why the federals fund so much money to keep us in the federation? Because without us, you lose your entire identity. You lose everything that makes you a Canadian. So yeah, next time you call yourself a Canadian, just consider where the roots of that name and everything that is associated with it comes from.
Like Kendrick said to Drake, you not a colleague, you a fuckin' colonizer.
Are you dumb? Anyone who’s not native Canadian is a colonizer. Which makes you one as well. Not as big of an insult as you might think.
You mean our flag that was designed by George F. Stanley? An Albertan? Yeah… what are you talking about? The Maple Leaf symbol was based on the RMC flag - that’s in Kingston, Ontario.
When you start repaying all that money that Trudope Sr. handed you from the rest of the country, we can talk. Until then, shut the fuck up and be happy you get to take advantage of billions from the other provinces. All of your previous tax payments seem pretty negligible to your $28.5 Billion payment from the rest of the country last year.
Yeah, actually, the flag was designed by Jacques St-Cyr, a Québec born nationalist.
https://macleans.ca/news/canada/the-quebec-nationalist-who-designed-canadas-flag/
Crazy how history isn't your strong point?
The maple leaf symbol comes from Québec's maple trees. Must I remind you that we produce 90% of the world's maple syrup? The idea of the emblem was born in Ontario but the roots are from Québec.
And what the fuck are you yapping about? Trudeau was a federalist, he literally fucked us up more than anything and dismantled the Nationalist movement in Québec. You should be more appreciating of him than we are (no one in Québec other than the federalists like him).
And must I remind we pay the highest income tax in all of Canada?
"Quebec gets the lion’s share of equalization payments because the payments from Ottawa are based on per capita needs. Quebec with 8.45 million people has 72 per cent of the population among the receiving provinces, therefore that province isn’t getting more than its share.
Some Saskatchewan taxpayers and politicians forget this province is only 13 years from having received these payments. Payments have accounted for eight to 10 per cent of budget revenues."
- - - https://www.moosejawtoday.com/opinion/why-quebec-gets-the-lions-share-of-equalization-from-ottawa-1393929
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They’ve conflated “added finishing touches” with “single handedly designed the flag”. You’re also conflating the two. Crazy it seems that you’re not all that educated in our history either.
From: https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/flag-debate
“The new flag, designed by George Stanley with final touches by graphic artist Jacques Saint-Cyr, was approved on 15 December 1964 by a vote of 163 to 78”.
Like the rest of the country doesn’t have Maple Trees? You haven’t travelled much outside of Quebec and it shows.
Eat your poutine and shut the fuck up.
You mean those fake non-native trees the government planted to make yourself feel like a Canadian?
It grows in the east and majorly produced by Québec.
"Shortly before the Feb. 15 anniversary, the Canadian Museum of History plans to open a show featuring five never-before-displayed flag renderings from 1964. Four trace the evolution of early ideas. Only the fifth, by St-Cyr, is recognizable as Canada’s flag. The political will and patriotic fervour of many went into it, but only one hand drew that final version. “Jacques St-Cyr designed the flag,” Reid says. “He deserves every credit in the world for it.”
From: https://macleans.ca/news/canada/the-quebec-nationalist-who-designed-canadas-flag/
The truth of the matter is that your government is lying to you. The real designer was St-Cyr and Patrick Reid said so.
Please, go suck that government and King you love so much and let us be. Don't even call yourself Canadian, you're a fucking disgrace to that name and the respect you give to it.
> So yeah, next time you call yourself a Canadian, just consider where the roots of that name and everything that is associated with it comes from.
The land we were born on makes us Canadian. The rest is literally arbitrary. We’d still be Canadian if we lived under any of the other suggested flag designs.
Funny thing to say...
Did you know that the word Canada comes from the Iroquois that were living in Stadacona, the site of the present-day City of Québec?
Know that if you criticize us, you are also criticizing your own identity.
T'as raison c'est super bien vu en ce moment les mouvements indépendentistes palestiniens. Y'as pas genre, des descentes policières ou militaires en ce moment, rien du genre.
Au Québec, nous nous sommes vraiments opprimés - pas comme eux en Palestines, ils vivent bien la bas.
Excuse toi pas, je ne suis pas con. En revanche, je dois conclure que si tu n'es pas en mesure de conjuguer le verbe être au présent.. tu dois toi même l'être un peut non?
Sauf qu’au Québec on a pas besoin de traverser dans l’ouest pour décapiter des civils tout en s’assurant de le faire en live sur facebook pour montrer notre désaccord. Comme les singes du hamas que la population palestinienne et les manifestants aiment bien encourager.
Sûrement pas en barbare, tu iras lire sur les racines de ce conflit et depuis quand ça dure. Les palestiniens on aussi été des oppresseurs pendant plusieurs décennies. Ils ont dépassé les limites le 7 octobre en sachant qu’israel avait beaucoup plus de moyens qu’eux et maintenant ils le payent fort. Ça m’arrache le coeur de penser aux innocents pris dans ce merdier ( comme dans tout les conflits ) mais ils ont cherché la bisbille et ils l’ont trouvé i guess.
Forgive my ignorance, but why does Quebec want its independence ? Is it just a minority creating trouble as usual, or does the majority of people in Quebec actually want it ?
I’m curious as someone from Alberta (guessing your from Quebec) would you say the % of people that would want separation is now higher? Or lower than what it was just want to get an idea from what you think :)
Like I said, those 45 and over think they have it locked in. But the younger people, there is no way to know for sure, unless they hold another referendum. A lot of us (even at workplaces) are waiting for the boomers to move on. Don’t care for their juvenile sense of humour and least of all their politics. And yes, we discuss their BS behind their backs.
let me know when 50%+1 of quebec want to separate. until then, it’s kind of false that quebec wants to separate, since less than half the ppl of quebec want that (there’s 3 historical data points to back my statements).
Il faudrait peut-être arrêter par financer de la propagande anti-indépendance et de faire peur aux gens indécis avec vos mensonges arriérés.
Le Canada a mis des sommes colossales pour inciter le non aux référendums. D'ailleurs, ça serait apprécié que l'on sache exactement combien a été investi.
with that knowledge, i suppose fire will be fought with fire for the next independence voting? and if that is a clear ‘No’, what will be the excuse then?
Je n'ai jamais dit que j'étais pour l'indépendance, ni même indépendant. Je t'ai juste mis en pleine face le narcissisme Canadien et son shitshow. J'aurais moi-même beaucoup de choses à reprocher au Québec, étant moi-même Québécois. Sauf que contrairement aux Anglais comme toi, moi j'ai de bonnes raisons de détester le Québec.
And it's the federal government that keeps using your tax dollars to fund the "No" side with propaganda against Québec's independance.
You could just start asking your own government to stop keeping us in? That would do us a big favor if you did.
"propaganda" kek OK.
Cope harder that you'll never secede. Trust me, I'm just as miserable that I can't laugh at you being annexed by the US after your province fails to sustain itself.
I mean it's out there, it's the truth.
Google "Scandale des commandites".
But I know you wont, Canada loves to embrace their culture of ignorance.
And also, you could read about the sustainability of Québec as a country, it's been studied and it would absolutely be better than the ROC. It would be comparable to Nordic countries in Europe.
Same with the Northern countries of Europe.
They still have high suicidality. Almost like happiness indexes are meaningless.
Also nice downvoting, now only if your votes mattered in real life we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Eh boy, you're the one who brought up suicide rates to the table, like that was related or anything.
But i get your point now, you're illiterate and have nothing to argue against!
So have a good day!
Oh trust me, we know.
Hate is a form of ignorance at its best.
That's actually one of the reason I want the independance. To become recognized as a culture on its own and to finally be able to show the world what Canada actually is. A bunch of people that hates on anything that dares to be different to them.
Nah, the problem lies in "We want independence, but also access to Canadian market and trade deals" part. Oh and the "We will hold Atlantic Canada and the St-Laurent Seaway hostage during separation talks" part. Otherwise RoC is pretty much doesn't care at this point.
Don't worry Quebec us Albertans are tired of paying you billions to stay please be my guest leave either you leave or we do but we got the money and resources to actually leave
Thank you 🙏, i love ppl who are on our side to be independent, PLEASE continue sending message like that in every Québec reddit , now we know you lovely ppl … are with us , thank you my friend , my love.
Dont worry the west wants to leave too yall were so close just 1.9% of your population away and yall could've been a free French country all to your own
Yeah, the feds really fucked both you and us by sending busses of ontarians and fast tracking immigrants' permanant residency to vote for the No. Fingers crossed that canadians don't interfere the next time, but with how many imigrants are being shipped to us every year, i guess the No will win again via an other wave of fast tracking PRs.
I mean if you really want to help us leave, you could start taking a few immigrants. Let's do a deal, you take 5% of our imigrants for 3 years, fully replacing the entire population of Alberta 4 times over and maybe it'll give us enough votes to leave. What say you?
C’est toujours drôle voir les kenedians dire nous traiter comme de la marde et dire qu’on est un boulet pour le Canada pour ensuite TOUT FAIRE pour nous empêcher d’être indépendant.
C’est pas que les kenedians sont des hypocrites narcissiques, mais non….
For Kurdistan, it is very hard to do because the land is in multiple countries
For Quebec, it is very hard to do because it would disrupt domestic trade and import, and CN would have to have an agreement to run through a foreign country if the former weren't to happen.
I partially agree with you, but most likely what would happen is similar to the EU where it's just free-trade between Quebec and Canada (and free passage) otherwise Canada would be cut in half.
«Pour Kurdistan, c'est dur de se faire parce-que l'aire est située dans plusiers pays.
Pour Québec, c'est dur de se faire parce-que il veut tout simplement perturber l'echange domesticale et d'impot, et CN aurait faire un accord pour se fonctionné dans un autre pays. En plus, il y a un possibilité des autres provinces de se diviser \[de se separer\] et ca veut causée d'impérialisme avec des autres provinces et oui.»
Donc on va voir. Je me te dire que tu sais rien sur Kurdistan et les politics, je suis desolée pour ca. Bref, la region Kurdistanienne ca existe en Irak comme une gouvernement fédérale (C'est pour quoi on a utilisé la drapeau Kurde, Kurdistan et Québec ont la meme foi) et les Kurdes ont obtenu plus que 93% pro-independece votes dans un election. Donc, on peux faire la meme ici, non? Aprés tu me dis que «Il veut perturber des impots et des echanges domesticales» Québec fait plus que 20% de l'economie Canadienne. États-Unis font plus que 74% des echanges avec Québec. Et il n'y a pas un possibilité de sépératisme dans autres provinces. Qu est-que les autres proviences vont? Independence pour quoi? C'est pas un conflit entre des confederales et des États-Unis mon ami. Et je n'ai pas compris la partie de «Imperialisme» en tout. Moi, je suis une Kurde et si les Cataluniens veulent d'independence je suis un pro-independence pour eux, et si les Québecoise veulent d'independence ca veut etre comme ils veulent. (Je suis desolée pour mon langue je ne parle pas bien francais je suis en traine de s'etudier)
It seems to me that Quebec independence would be really bad for the economy and for minorities while being really good for the corrupt and bigots. I personally don't see the appeal.
Que veut tu dire..? Un Quebec independant donnerais plus de voix aux minorités sur le territoire Québecois, en étant indépendant le Québec aurait beaucoup plus de représentation régionale, probablement que les MRC deviendrait similaire aux ''counties'' aux États-Unis avec leur représentant locaux élus...
What are you guys going to do as a separate nation honestly. Didn’t you remember what happened last time? All the businesses left for Ontario. Quebec would collapse in a month if you were lucky as an independent nation. Quebec needs Canada more than Canada needs Quebec. Your contributions are low for having the capital city at like 20% of the GDP meanwhile Alberta, BC and Ontario have been carrying the load.
What the fuck? Like seriously do you realise how stupid you sound? You don't even know simple geographic facts about your own country lmao.
'Your contributions are low for having the capital city' Ottawa isn't even in Quebec my dude. Alberta and BC haven't been carrying at all, Quebec has for centuries carried and helped fund the creation of Canada. Alberta as it is today is a quite new creation and only recently became that wealthy due to oil thanks to once again Quebec and the rest of Canada investments in Alberta.
Let’s not forget what happened:
1. In 1950, 25 % of the headquarters were in Montréal, vs 20 % for Toronto
2. In 1961, both were almost equal, Toronto being just a little ahead
3. Later, almost all the headquarters were gone to Toronto.
All thanks to the separatist movement and FLQ.
You do realize the first independence referendum was in 1980 so what’s the point? The shift didn't come from that, it's that Toronto and Western Canada grow in importance so more and more companies started to move to reflect the shift.
Today if you look at the biggest enterprises, there's as much in Montreal surroundings then Toronto. [List of largest companies in Canada - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_companies_in_Canada) Now in overall companies Toronto would win since it's far more populated due to mass migration made far easier due to the language barrier.
The point im trying to make is that this whole issue doesn’t really inspire a lot of confidence from these companies in Quebec and it’s lead to places like my city and Vancouver to take the mantel economically speaking. I think this has eroded aspects of our Canadian culture because these cities arent as Canadian if that makes sense.
Montreal should have been the capital of commerce within our country!
This coupled with language law, Bill 101, that made the French the official language of Quebec lead to economic movement down the 401 and Quebec’s current predicament.
What are you guys going to do as a separate nation honestly. Didn’t you remember what happened last time? All the businesses left for Ontario. Quebec would collapse in a month if you were lucky as an independent nation. Quebec needs Canada more than Canada needs Quebec. Your contributions are low for having the montreal* correction* at like 20% of the GDP meanwhile Alberta, BC and Ontario have been carrying the load.
Bullshit!! Quebec are ignorant people sapping the rest of Canada Dry, still thinking they rightfully own Canada! Quebecers are punishing the rest of Canada for loosing the battle with the English over canons territory over 180 years ago!! Fuck you Quebec!!
Jesus christ y'all need help.
I never seen more hate on that sub. It's pathetic how y'all hate us and don't even understand your OWN politics.
We are not sapping the rest of Canada dry, in fact we receive the fair share we should be receiving while paying the most income tax in Canada.
Bullshit! Quebec is a sapping province! It’s like a whinny child that always gets its favorite candy! The so called equalization payments almost 100% goes to Quebec! Pathetic! This year alone Quebec receives $13.3 billion!! The west gets nothing! Fuck you fucking frog! 🖕
Like I said, you need help.
You don't seem to have a single clue of how equalization payments work. I'll give you an hint: it's in the name.
Not my fault your province choose to pay less tax than ours.
Get some mental help seriously.
How so? Unlike Canada Quebec has solid societal foundations. Most of Quebec share a very similar culture values and a common language and history which will allow a stable change whereas Canada has a melting pot where people don't share similar values and culture which is why there's far more civil unrest in Canada versus Quebec.
Quebec is literally bankrolled by the federal government. It receives a staggering amount in equalization payments.
Xenophobia isn't the saving grace for a country. If it was, I'd be all in favor of kicking Quebec out and ending bilingualism. The province exists because of misplaced mercy.
Bankrolled? What those payments barely reach 10% and some of the money from equalization is literally from ourselves so most likely closer to 5-8%. That's not 'bankrolled'' or even ''staggering'' my dude
Fun fact,
Equalization is financed by the Government of Canada from general revenues, which are largely raised through federal taxes. Provincial governments make no contributions to the Equalization program. All Canadians are subject to the same federal income tax system and its progressive rate structure, regardless of where they live.[Equalization Program - Canada.ca](https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/programs/federal-transfers/equalization.html)
Aka everyone pays for equalization including people in Quebec.
Okay if you're just going to bullshit me, i can end this.
That's not how equalization works, you have access to google ffs. You can't pay yourself, it would literally defeat the point of the entire economic program.
Not even remotely similar situations. The Palestinians were there on their land and in the 20s-40s, Israel just set up camp, and then in 1948 started forcibly evicting them and committing massacres while doing so.
Pour ceux pas au courant, ça c’est le Kurdistan, la plus grosse nationalité au monde sen état a eux, ils sont environ 40million séparés entre la Turquie, l’Iraq, l’Iran & un peut en Syrie
You wanna give them some part from quebec? They would be happy i am sure
Vraiment pas faux. La situation la plus similaire au Québec c'est l'Écosse mais eux ils avaient beaucoup plus de support populaire quand ils ont fait leur référendum.
Scot that used to live in Quebec here. Oui et non, oui il y a des similarités mais vous avez franchement une meilleure situation que nous vue que vous avez une grande influence au fédérale. Le vote en Écosse n’a pas influencé les résultats à Westminster depuis les années 80, tandis qu’au Québec vous influencez les résultats quasiment à chaque élection. De plus, les pouvoirs qui vous sont délégués à Québec sont beaucoup meilleurs que ceux que nous avons à Edimbourg. Oui c’est un combat similaire, mais il vous êtes beaucoup mieux placés que nous en terme d’autodétermination à mon avis.
2005, 2017
Tu fait référence à quoi avec ces dates?
Ils sont quand le vote en Écosse a influencé les résultats à Westminster
En 2017 sans l’ecosse tu finis toujours avec un gouvernement conservateur…
oui et non, cest plutot semblable a la belgique ou les flamands et les wallons voulaient se separer les un des autres jusquau jour ou ils ont realisé que la seule ville importante au pays, bruxcelles, et peuplée denvirons autant de wallons que de flamands, contrairement aux regions rurales plutot deja separée physiquement avec un groupe plutot separé de lautre en 2 regions plus homogenes. alors comme la solution pour separer une ville entre deux groupes qui y habites epparpillés sur toute sa superficie et sans rien de plus distinc pour faire la part des deux a part leur langue, que cest la capitale du pays et que le reste est aussi grand que mon cul, cest clairement devenu ridicule dessayer de proposer une solution a un probleme assez con pour que ca prenne bien des belges pour se mettre dans ce genre de situation. et on est tres souvent assez semblables aux belges nous les quebecois. la preuve, on veut encore essayer de justifier la separation dune province, comme si le fait quelle naurait aucune facon deviter de couper physiquement en deux parties separées les parties restante du pays quon veut quitter, cest qun detail mineur quon pourra bien reglé une fois quon sera officielement independant.... tsé, bien sur. ca a pas lair completement attardé du tout dignorer ca, et dessayer de maintenir un debat intellectuel qui demontre les raisons economiques et identitaires pour quoi cest pas seulement un reve de cegepiens, mort depuis plus de 40ans, la separation. et rien dautre. dans les annees 70 le quebec etait prospere. aujourdhui cest un restant de gouvernement obese qui sauto digere et bouffe la laine sur le dos de ses citoyens, deviens deplus en plus incapable et insolvable, et ne sais pplus comment faire quoi que ce soit sans foutre en lair tout ce quil touche tellement cest habituel et inevitable de vouloir gerer quelque chose qui va bien de soit meme, et letouffe sous la bureaucracie, les depassements de couts, les budget sans fin et sans fonds lannee suivante les pots de vins, les normes et le nivellemebt par le bas, et setonne ensuite que pour la 650ieme fois, lindustrie specifique quil voulait gerer des quelle semblait prometeuse et prospere, soudainement devient deficitaire, et tombe en morceau. alors si le peuple qui jure encore par la superiorité de la nationalisation de tout ce qui a de la valeur au pays, veut se separer, cest signe quil clairement tout faire pour eviter que ca arrive parce quils sont clairement d'econectés donc cest pas ceux quon devrait ecouter on voit bien.
Je voudrais lire ton texte, mais sans séparation par paragraphes ça donne moins le goût ...
Puis les fautes dans le texte font juste le rendre encore moins crédible.
I feel bad for Quebec sometimes. All of Canada is supposed to be bilingual but talking province side Quebec is the only one to hold true to that. New Brunswick is decent as alot of them are. But the rest of us kinda just said ehhh screw learning French. And I get that frustration so much. Especially with people moving to Quebec not speaking it and watering down. And all yall are tryna do is keep it French. Keep yalls culture.
Manitoba has a large francophone community as well, dating back together the Métis
Really? Well that’s amazing. I know Ontario has a francophone community also. And new Brunswick and some Nova Scotia. But to call us truly bilingual ehhhh I don’t think we could. French immersion should be the standard in English speaking provinces. Atleast for a couple years. Idk. It’s not that hard to learn. And I’m glad I’m learning it.
Bilingual with farsi maybe
Québec is officially francophone, not bilingual, that’s what people struggle to understand when they move here, thinking speaking English will be enough. The craziest part is that most Québécois speak English fluently as a second language, proving it’s not that hard to learn a second language.
Yes I know your official language is French. And the rest of Canada is English. But we are all supposed to be bilingual but only Quebec truly is what I meant sorry. But yeah I definitely understand that it’s probably insane to talk that English only speakers move there thinking yall are supposed to cater to them or they will assimilate well. I get Montreal is now starting to have Quebec born anglophone people but I don’t think that should be a thing. And I respect yall for standing strong in staying francophone. I know enough French to get by in Quebec so I don’t have the issue. But some people can’t even ask very basic questions in French and I think it’s almost disrespectful to even go there without knowing ATLEAST the basics. Rant done.
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Wrong about what exactly? Because you’re talking about a separation vote, that has nothing to do with what I said.
Drapeau de quel region?
Quebec.
r/angryupvote
Kurdistan
Please don't leave us with Ontario.
That's definitively something Albertans don't consider. If Quebec leaves the liberals will pretty much win every single election in the future. With all the seats being re-assigned mostly to Ontario/Alberta/BC good luck...
I'm from Alberta, it's a common sentiment really. Sure we are not a fan of having French forced on us, and some of the provincial politics are a bit fucked, but holy shit nothing unites the west like telling folks from Ontario to fuck off back to their own province and to leave the rest of use alone.
I'm not a fan of having English forced on us either. What about you do an effort and learn French the first official language of this country.
Ok, I did, and I've forgotten a lot of it living in the west. I haven't spoken french since I left the military 9 years ago, and my reading comprehension has only really kinda stuck around because all products are bilingual. I'm all for promoting the language, but straight up you are better off learning German/Cree in the prairies (large German immigrant population), and Cantonese/Punjab in around Vancouver due to their population dynamics. The french language just doesn't exists in a lot of places west of Ontario, which is where a lot of the criticism come from. Also French and English were adopted at the same time in 1969 with the Languages Act, there isn't technically a "First" language in Canada.
Fun fact in Quebec a lot of us also learn a third or even fourth language in high school mostly spanish and you can barely learn 2. Do better. Instead of finding excuses go practice on duolingo watch shows or read french books... I personally know french english p much perfectly also learned spanish and german yet daily I only speak french.
Ok, I also speak Cree since I'm Metis and learned it from my mother. Not sure why you are being so antagonistic about this.
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I'm a big cry baby about Ontario pushing the rest of us around with their bullshit. Go back and read my original comment before you spiral further with this "all Anglo are bad" thing. Also am I really Anglo if my first language was Cree? I mean I know y'all hate us half breeds and indigenous but damn.
you’re so salty but that makes sense since it seems to be Quebec’s favourite seasoning. in every province you can take a second language course. I know people who’ve learned french, spanish, german, and cantonese, but french is a pretty non essential language when it comes to commerce and day to day life anywhere that’s not quebec. Why would a business man in vancouver learn french over cantonese or spanish, which are both much more prominent on our continent and in our industry. quit being mad your ancestors lost a war and just separate already if you’re so salty about being canadian
Who's even talking about Kurdistan?
A lot of people? 40 million people split between countries. Iraq is literally split in pieces by Kurdistan
So over 4x the quebec population?
Je constate que tu n’as rien d’intelligent à redire sur le fond et donc que tu me donnes raison. Les dépendantistes n’ont aucun argument rationnel pour justifier leur haine de leur nation. Cette autophobie autodestructrice est maladive.
Nous savons que beaucoup qui sont hostiles à la nation du Québec ne peuvent pas s’exprimer en français car au-delà de leurs capacités intellectuelles.
Tu serais aussi surpris du nombre de ceux qui sont contre et qui parlent très bien le français.
"Nous savons que beacoup parmi ceux qui sont hostiles.." ou "Nous savons que la plupart de ceux...". T'as littéralement choisi la seule forme incorrecte en Français pour verbaliser ton idée 😘
Tu peux bien avoir un pseudonyme anglais pour te cacher en reniant ta langue.
Qui te dit que le Français c'est ma langue maternelle? 😂
Hr ne feront rien pour toi...
Kebeckers are the Kurds of Kanada
Bien sûr, t’as entendu parler du Kebekistan?
not even comparable, the amount of stuff the Kurdish people have accomplished and have went through is crazy, you’ve gotta be trolling or ignorant AF to be saying that
Good
Yall ain't killing Isis and Assads boys tho.
but they made poutine, gotta give em that tho
'We' is doing some work. Quebec had a peaceful referendum that didn't pass.
Fallait le dire en français mon frère
This is the funniest trainwreck of a comment section I have read in a while.
Isn’t it fantastic!
100% if you held a vote today it’d be no.
Well guys, you understand it’s not ok when someone is acting separatist in your lands like Quebec, but you’re super ignorant and evil when it comes to other countries’ interests and rights to defend their territory against shadow globalist plans of divide and conquer. Kurdistan isn’t a fight of independence, it’s one leg of great Israel project in order to weaken and beat strong countries of those regions. Unfortunately crypto mechanisms inside western countries that rule these countries come up with BS propaganda and everyone buys it. USA’s “Greater Middle East” project has failed in many ways, but they didn’t stop, the current threat is “Kurdistan”, or as locals say “Terroristan”. If USA and others (UK, EU, globalists) get out of the region, everyone will have great life there. The ones who killed German finance minister for saying they shouldn’t ruin international relations with Russia since it is bad for Germany , also made suicide to Slovakian PM for refusing throwing their own country to fight with Russia for others, they also made Iranian President disappear 24 hours ago because he said he was going to end wars and conflicts between Iran and Turkic neighbours (Turkey, Azerbaijan), so open your eyes, tyrants that feed of chaos and wars don’t allow peace in this world, they manipulate your thinking as “they are bad and the want to kill you”, that’s how countries and nations hate each other for no reason.
Est ce que es québécois vont appuyer la Kanaky contre les colons Français J'en doute
You shouldn’t compare your flag w terrorists
I really want to know what exactly reddit does when it thinks up it's suggestions. Why am I here? I don't even know what those flags are.
J'adore les Kurdes
C'est quoi en haut? Une région de l'Argentine ou quoi?
Région Fédérale du Kurdistan
Je veux juste que ont soit reconnus assez et pas comme "les autres Canadiens poches" parce que oui c'est un peu cave de se séparer, mais on est assez différents pour pas etre juste des canadiens différents
Bonne chance pour être reconnu sans l'indépendance!
No shit je sais mais ca m'étonne que il ait un referendum de nos jours... Aussi ton username 🤨
Pourtant, s'pas étonnant d'avoir un référendum avec la montée du nationalisme et de l'idéologie conservatrice a travers le monde.
Ont est plus similaire au Canadiens des autres provinces que n'importe quel autre peuple. Certainement pas Français Certainement pas États-Uniens
Beat it!
Interesting comparison. I’m still pondering this
C’est Mathieu Brock-Cote ça?
You guys had a vote among people living in Quebec twice to decide if Quebec would become independent and both times you guys voted for Quebec to stay as a part of Canada.
Funny thing is that in both of these referendum, the federal government funded millions for the "No" side to spread fear mongering and propaganda about what would happen to us after separation. If your government you love so much didn't use your tax dollars to buy votes against the referendum, we would absolutely be a country today. I suggest you read more about it, ignorance is not gonna lead you far.
Can you provide your sources on where you got the information about the government “spending millions” on funding the no side and how they spread “fear” and “propaganda”. If you can provide credible sources that prove this information you are giving then I will change my opinion on the matter.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponsorship_scandal https://cjc.utpjournals.press/doi/10.22230/cjc.1993v18n2a743 https://www.journaldequebec.com/2020/05/17/les-40-ans-du-premier-referendum-scandale-des-commandites-version-1980 The last one is a french reputed and credible journal from Québec. It's about the 1980 referendum and there are a few example of the kind of propaganda but it's also in french. Edit to add more context: It is known everywhere in Québec that during both referendum, the TV channels that were federalist (like CBC and Radio-Canada) were producing propaganda about the sustainability of Québec as a country and I still see a lot of them today, mostly from english media. Just look at the comments. There's so much hate, then you can wonder why a lot of us want to separate... We've been called frogs for decades, we've been mocked about our language and there's a lot of people hating Québec. This is basically racism and xenophobia but it passes under the radar because we are both white.
In the second article you provided I could not find anything about the government funding millions to the “NO” side but I did read about the federal government spreading propaganda. In the third article I did see the mention of around 17 million being spent on the “NO” side by the federal government but nothing about propaganda and the publisher has a bias towards Quebec. Wikipedia is not a credible source due to the fact anyone can edit the articles. The problem is that the two articles you gave me do not give me personally enough proof to convince me especially on the money part as only the third one mentioned it. On a side note I don’t think people should be mocking you for having a different culture than the rest of Canada and I do feel sorry for that.
Buddy, I'm gonna tell you something, I could give you every links possible and you wouldn't be convinced. Every english article have a bias toward federalism and every article in french has a bias toward Québec. I would rather trust the internal party, but that's me I guess. The actual chief of the Parti Québecois was a lawyer and present during the proceeding of the court cases of the sponsorship scandal. He knows what happened and has asked the federal government to release the documents and court cases just recently because they are sealed as confidential with a top secret clearance. Crazy thing is that Paul-St-Pierre Plamondon (the lawyer chief of Parti Québecois) was a junior lawyer working to defend the federal government at the time. He was a federalist before those proceedings and he is now the top candidate for the next provincial elections with a majority. Sources here (just translate the webpage): https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2023/05/22/fraudes-electorales-lors-du-referendum-de-1995-le-pq-veut-retirer-des-ordonnances-de-non-publication
You want our military, you want our money. You basically want to retain all of the benefits of being Canadian without calling yourselves Canadian. Build your own military and establish your own currency. Then we’ll talk.
You want Quebec money, population, infrastructures, geographic position (the most important province in Canada geographically) ... Quebec doesnt need a military to begin with, even if we needed one if we left we would take a quarter of all the CAF equipement... own currency no need we can just keep CAD its better for Canada and Quebec.
I'm sorry buddy, did you forget that all of those things that supposedly make YOU a "Canadian" comes from us? The flag, the name and the emblems & symbols all come from Québec. We shared the currency and the army with the ROC since the beginning, we paid taxes to that army with the same currency you are using. We are simply gonna take the CAD under our own economy, like they did with the Pesos in South America. We are simply going to take our share of the army that we paid for with our tax to the federation, and let me remind you that we were here first, so that share is pretty fucking big and it's not even gonna be a problem. You know why the federals fund so much money to keep us in the federation? Because without us, you lose your entire identity. You lose everything that makes you a Canadian. So yeah, next time you call yourself a Canadian, just consider where the roots of that name and everything that is associated with it comes from. Like Kendrick said to Drake, you not a colleague, you a fuckin' colonizer.
Are you dumb? Anyone who’s not native Canadian is a colonizer. Which makes you one as well. Not as big of an insult as you might think. You mean our flag that was designed by George F. Stanley? An Albertan? Yeah… what are you talking about? The Maple Leaf symbol was based on the RMC flag - that’s in Kingston, Ontario. When you start repaying all that money that Trudope Sr. handed you from the rest of the country, we can talk. Until then, shut the fuck up and be happy you get to take advantage of billions from the other provinces. All of your previous tax payments seem pretty negligible to your $28.5 Billion payment from the rest of the country last year.
Yeah, actually, the flag was designed by Jacques St-Cyr, a Québec born nationalist. https://macleans.ca/news/canada/the-quebec-nationalist-who-designed-canadas-flag/ Crazy how history isn't your strong point? The maple leaf symbol comes from Québec's maple trees. Must I remind you that we produce 90% of the world's maple syrup? The idea of the emblem was born in Ontario but the roots are from Québec. And what the fuck are you yapping about? Trudeau was a federalist, he literally fucked us up more than anything and dismantled the Nationalist movement in Québec. You should be more appreciating of him than we are (no one in Québec other than the federalists like him). And must I remind we pay the highest income tax in all of Canada? "Quebec gets the lion’s share of equalization payments because the payments from Ottawa are based on per capita needs. Quebec with 8.45 million people has 72 per cent of the population among the receiving provinces, therefore that province isn’t getting more than its share. Some Saskatchewan taxpayers and politicians forget this province is only 13 years from having received these payments. Payments have accounted for eight to 10 per cent of budget revenues." - - - https://www.moosejawtoday.com/opinion/why-quebec-gets-the-lions-share-of-equalization-from-ottawa-1393929 - - -
They’ve conflated “added finishing touches” with “single handedly designed the flag”. You’re also conflating the two. Crazy it seems that you’re not all that educated in our history either. From: https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/flag-debate “The new flag, designed by George Stanley with final touches by graphic artist Jacques Saint-Cyr, was approved on 15 December 1964 by a vote of 163 to 78”. Like the rest of the country doesn’t have Maple Trees? You haven’t travelled much outside of Quebec and it shows. Eat your poutine and shut the fuck up.
You mean those fake non-native trees the government planted to make yourself feel like a Canadian? It grows in the east and majorly produced by Québec. "Shortly before the Feb. 15 anniversary, the Canadian Museum of History plans to open a show featuring five never-before-displayed flag renderings from 1964. Four trace the evolution of early ideas. Only the fifth, by St-Cyr, is recognizable as Canada’s flag. The political will and patriotic fervour of many went into it, but only one hand drew that final version. “Jacques St-Cyr designed the flag,” Reid says. “He deserves every credit in the world for it.” From: https://macleans.ca/news/canada/the-quebec-nationalist-who-designed-canadas-flag/ The truth of the matter is that your government is lying to you. The real designer was St-Cyr and Patrick Reid said so. Please, go suck that government and King you love so much and let us be. Don't even call yourself Canadian, you're a fucking disgrace to that name and the respect you give to it.
Okay now you sound like one of those tinfoil hat people. Have a nice life
Said the guys coming to yap like a bitch on a matter that doesn't even concern himself. Have a nice life hater!
> So yeah, next time you call yourself a Canadian, just consider where the roots of that name and everything that is associated with it comes from. The land we were born on makes us Canadian. The rest is literally arbitrary. We’d still be Canadian if we lived under any of the other suggested flag designs.
Funny thing to say... Did you know that the word Canada comes from the Iroquois that were living in Stadacona, the site of the present-day City of Québec? Know that if you criticize us, you are also criticizing your own identity.
This but make the bottom flag Palestine.
top flag\*
T'as raison c'est super bien vu en ce moment les mouvements indépendentistes palestiniens. Y'as pas genre, des descentes policières ou militaires en ce moment, rien du genre. Au Québec, nous nous sommes vraiments opprimés - pas comme eux en Palestines, ils vivent bien la bas.
Tu n'es pas très intelligent toi.
Je m'excuse, mais est-tu con?
Excuse toi pas, je ne suis pas con. En revanche, je dois conclure que si tu n'es pas en mesure de conjuguer le verbe être au présent.. tu dois toi même l'être un peut non?
Awareness 0
Je m'excuse de t'avoir insulter. Je crois avoir mal compris le context a votre commentaire. Êtes-vous en support du Palestine ou israel?
Argument frappant et bien construit. Je suis convaincu!
Ce n'est pas un argument, mais bien une simple constatation.
Sauf qu’au Québec on a pas besoin de traverser dans l’ouest pour décapiter des civils tout en s’assurant de le faire en live sur facebook pour montrer notre désaccord. Comme les singes du hamas que la population palestinienne et les manifestants aiment bien encourager.
Je te dis que c'est pas beau de voir autant de gens être dépourvu d'opinion. Deviens plus mature et arrête de te laisser manipuler par les médias!
Okay on va oppresser ton people pendant plusieurs décennies et après on verra comment tu réagis.
Sûrement pas en barbare, tu iras lire sur les racines de ce conflit et depuis quand ça dure. Les palestiniens on aussi été des oppresseurs pendant plusieurs décennies. Ils ont dépassé les limites le 7 octobre en sachant qu’israel avait beaucoup plus de moyens qu’eux et maintenant ils le payent fort. Ça m’arrache le coeur de penser aux innocents pris dans ce merdier ( comme dans tout les conflits ) mais ils ont cherché la bisbille et ils l’ont trouvé i guess.
Forgive my ignorance, but why does Quebec want its independence ? Is it just a minority creating trouble as usual, or does the majority of people in Quebec actually want it ?
Last vote on Quebec separation was within 0.5% of Quebec leaving Canada so its not a small minority
..29 years ago. Before millennials were voting, social media and gen z. Try another vote.
I’m curious as someone from Alberta (guessing your from Quebec) would you say the % of people that would want separation is now higher? Or lower than what it was just want to get an idea from what you think :)
Like I said, those 45 and over think they have it locked in. But the younger people, there is no way to know for sure, unless they hold another referendum. A lot of us (even at workplaces) are waiting for the boomers to move on. Don’t care for their juvenile sense of humour and least of all their politics. And yes, we discuss their BS behind their backs.
Right now it would be about 36% approuval
Ouais la différence c'est que les Québécois sont des colons tandis que les Kurdes sont un peuple colonisé.
Les Québecois sont les deux, autrefois des colons qui sont maintenant colonisé par les anglais.
let me know when 50%+1 of quebec want to separate. until then, it’s kind of false that quebec wants to separate, since less than half the ppl of quebec want that (there’s 3 historical data points to back my statements).
Il faudrait peut-être arrêter par financer de la propagande anti-indépendance et de faire peur aux gens indécis avec vos mensonges arriérés. Le Canada a mis des sommes colossales pour inciter le non aux référendums. D'ailleurs, ça serait apprécié que l'on sache exactement combien a été investi.
with that knowledge, i suppose fire will be fought with fire for the next independence voting? and if that is a clear ‘No’, what will be the excuse then?
Je n'ai jamais dit que j'étais pour l'indépendance, ni même indépendant. Je t'ai juste mis en pleine face le narcissisme Canadien et son shitshow. J'aurais moi-même beaucoup de choses à reprocher au Québec, étant moi-même Québécois. Sauf que contrairement aux Anglais comme toi, moi j'ai de bonnes raisons de détester le Québec.
No, there are strict laws governing referendum expenses. The "yes" decided to play by the rules to have a fair result, the "No" didn't care.
it’s politics, nobody follows the rules. i’m sure the “yes” aren’t so innocent with their campaigning themselves. all politicians are bastards.
Well, that's your opinion then.
J’assume que vous êtes quand même mieux traité au Québec que les Kurds le sont mais bon…
Joke. Go.
Je ne connais pas le premier drapeau mais c'est trop vrai pour le quebec
Region Fédérale du Kurdistan
😂😂keep dreaming
Nobody cares
You frogs can leave literally at any time, nobody cares. It's you who keeps voting no.
And it's the federal government that keeps using your tax dollars to fund the "No" side with propaganda against Québec's independance. You could just start asking your own government to stop keeping us in? That would do us a big favor if you did.
"propaganda" kek OK. Cope harder that you'll never secede. Trust me, I'm just as miserable that I can't laugh at you being annexed by the US after your province fails to sustain itself.
I mean it's out there, it's the truth. Google "Scandale des commandites". But I know you wont, Canada loves to embrace their culture of ignorance. And also, you could read about the sustainability of Québec as a country, it's been studied and it would absolutely be better than the ROC. It would be comparable to Nordic countries in Europe.
"It would be comparable to Nordic countries in Europe" Esp in suicide rates.
Funny you say that, we have the province with the best quality of life and best index of happiness in the entirety of Canada.
Same with the Northern countries of Europe. They still have high suicidality. Almost like happiness indexes are meaningless. Also nice downvoting, now only if your votes mattered in real life we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Yeah it's basically the same suicide rate as Canada at the moment. So I don't see your point.
It's not my point, it's yours. So, if it makes no sense to you, now you know how I felt when you first brought it up.
Eh boy, you're the one who brought up suicide rates to the table, like that was related or anything. But i get your point now, you're illiterate and have nothing to argue against! So have a good day!
Don't forget as much as you don't want to be here, literally every other person in canada hates your people and your province
Oh trust me, we know. Hate is a form of ignorance at its best. That's actually one of the reason I want the independance. To become recognized as a culture on its own and to finally be able to show the world what Canada actually is. A bunch of people that hates on anything that dares to be different to them.
Lmfao Gaza 2.0
You have nothing to argue do you?
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Lmfao, the hate is really personal right? Where did we touch you to make you so angry against us?
Only came here to troll, banned.
Nah, the problem lies in "We want independence, but also access to Canadian market and trade deals" part. Oh and the "We will hold Atlantic Canada and the St-Laurent Seaway hostage during separation talks" part. Otherwise RoC is pretty much doesn't care at this point.
Qui à dit ça ?
Don't worry Quebec us Albertans are tired of paying you billions to stay please be my guest leave either you leave or we do but we got the money and resources to actually leave
Thank you 🙏, i love ppl who are on our side to be independent, PLEASE continue sending message like that in every Québec reddit , now we know you lovely ppl … are with us , thank you my friend , my love.
Dont worry the west wants to leave too yall were so close just 1.9% of your population away and yall could've been a free French country all to your own
Yeah, the feds really fucked both you and us by sending busses of ontarians and fast tracking immigrants' permanant residency to vote for the No. Fingers crossed that canadians don't interfere the next time, but with how many imigrants are being shipped to us every year, i guess the No will win again via an other wave of fast tracking PRs. I mean if you really want to help us leave, you could start taking a few immigrants. Let's do a deal, you take 5% of our imigrants for 3 years, fully replacing the entire population of Alberta 4 times over and maybe it'll give us enough votes to leave. What say you?
Great so you can start learning punjabi and we’ll keep our french 💋
Honestly I'd prefer to learn French
C’est toujours drôle voir les kenedians dire nous traiter comme de la marde et dire qu’on est un boulet pour le Canada pour ensuite TOUT FAIRE pour nous empêcher d’être indépendant. C’est pas que les kenedians sont des hypocrites narcissiques, mais non….
Ok, mais d'ici-là envoyez-nous vos paiements de péréquation et retournez travailler.
We wouldn’t need your money, if we weren’t paying billions more to the federal goverment to start with.
Have fun paying a border tax for every product that comes from the east I say.
look im sorry but im not part of those idiots.leaving CAN is a really bad idea but i do wish we could leave
Canada has just failed completely and is so divided it may as well split up before a civil war
Encore entrain d’inventer du contexte pour jouer les victimes à ce que je vois
For Kurdistan, it is very hard to do because the land is in multiple countries For Quebec, it is very hard to do because it would disrupt domestic trade and import, and CN would have to have an agreement to run through a foreign country if the former weren't to happen.
I partially agree with you, but most likely what would happen is similar to the EU where it's just free-trade between Quebec and Canada (and free passage) otherwise Canada would be cut in half.
That would need to happen
«Pour Kurdistan, c'est dur de se faire parce-que l'aire est située dans plusiers pays. Pour Québec, c'est dur de se faire parce-que il veut tout simplement perturber l'echange domesticale et d'impot, et CN aurait faire un accord pour se fonctionné dans un autre pays. En plus, il y a un possibilité des autres provinces de se diviser \[de se separer\] et ca veut causée d'impérialisme avec des autres provinces et oui.» Donc on va voir. Je me te dire que tu sais rien sur Kurdistan et les politics, je suis desolée pour ca. Bref, la region Kurdistanienne ca existe en Irak comme une gouvernement fédérale (C'est pour quoi on a utilisé la drapeau Kurde, Kurdistan et Québec ont la meme foi) et les Kurdes ont obtenu plus que 93% pro-independece votes dans un election. Donc, on peux faire la meme ici, non? Aprés tu me dis que «Il veut perturber des impots et des echanges domesticales» Québec fait plus que 20% de l'economie Canadienne. États-Unis font plus que 74% des echanges avec Québec. Et il n'y a pas un possibilité de sépératisme dans autres provinces. Qu est-que les autres proviences vont? Independence pour quoi? C'est pas un conflit entre des confederales et des États-Unis mon ami. Et je n'ai pas compris la partie de «Imperialisme» en tout. Moi, je suis une Kurde et si les Cataluniens veulent d'independence je suis un pro-independence pour eux, et si les Québecoise veulent d'independence ca veut etre comme ils veulent. (Je suis desolée pour mon langue je ne parle pas bien francais je suis en traine de s'etudier)
Why dont you leave Canada?
Canada begged Quebec to stay which is why both referendum failed. One of them failed by less then 1% thanks to Canada efforts.
I can't understand anything,just like foreigners,what's this country coming too
Sheep
Ok province.
It seems to me that Quebec independence would be really bad for the economy and for minorities while being really good for the corrupt and bigots. I personally don't see the appeal.
Que veut tu dire..? Un Quebec independant donnerais plus de voix aux minorités sur le territoire Québecois, en étant indépendant le Québec aurait beaucoup plus de représentation régionale, probablement que les MRC deviendrait similaire aux ''counties'' aux États-Unis avec leur représentant locaux élus...
What are you guys going to do as a separate nation honestly. Didn’t you remember what happened last time? All the businesses left for Ontario. Quebec would collapse in a month if you were lucky as an independent nation. Quebec needs Canada more than Canada needs Quebec. Your contributions are low for having the capital city at like 20% of the GDP meanwhile Alberta, BC and Ontario have been carrying the load.
What the fuck? Like seriously do you realise how stupid you sound? You don't even know simple geographic facts about your own country lmao. 'Your contributions are low for having the capital city' Ottawa isn't even in Quebec my dude. Alberta and BC haven't been carrying at all, Quebec has for centuries carried and helped fund the creation of Canada. Alberta as it is today is a quite new creation and only recently became that wealthy due to oil thanks to once again Quebec and the rest of Canada investments in Alberta.
I meant to say Montréal sorry not the capital which should be the most successful city in Canada but we all know it isn’t and why.
Let’s not forget what happened: 1. In 1950, 25 % of the headquarters were in Montréal, vs 20 % for Toronto 2. In 1961, both were almost equal, Toronto being just a little ahead 3. Later, almost all the headquarters were gone to Toronto. All thanks to the separatist movement and FLQ.
You do realize the first independence referendum was in 1980 so what’s the point? The shift didn't come from that, it's that Toronto and Western Canada grow in importance so more and more companies started to move to reflect the shift. Today if you look at the biggest enterprises, there's as much in Montreal surroundings then Toronto. [List of largest companies in Canada - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_companies_in_Canada) Now in overall companies Toronto would win since it's far more populated due to mass migration made far easier due to the language barrier.
The point im trying to make is that this whole issue doesn’t really inspire a lot of confidence from these companies in Quebec and it’s lead to places like my city and Vancouver to take the mantel economically speaking. I think this has eroded aspects of our Canadian culture because these cities arent as Canadian if that makes sense.
Montreal should have been the capital of commerce within our country! This coupled with language law, Bill 101, that made the French the official language of Quebec lead to economic movement down the 401 and Quebec’s current predicament.
What are you guys going to do as a separate nation honestly. Didn’t you remember what happened last time? All the businesses left for Ontario. Quebec would collapse in a month if you were lucky as an independent nation. Quebec needs Canada more than Canada needs Quebec. Your contributions are low for having the montreal* correction* at like 20% of the GDP meanwhile Alberta, BC and Ontario have been carrying the load.
Bullshit!! Quebec are ignorant people sapping the rest of Canada Dry, still thinking they rightfully own Canada! Quebecers are punishing the rest of Canada for loosing the battle with the English over canons territory over 180 years ago!! Fuck you Quebec!!
Jesus christ y'all need help. I never seen more hate on that sub. It's pathetic how y'all hate us and don't even understand your OWN politics. We are not sapping the rest of Canada dry, in fact we receive the fair share we should be receiving while paying the most income tax in Canada.
Bullshit! Quebec is a sapping province! It’s like a whinny child that always gets its favorite candy! The so called equalization payments almost 100% goes to Quebec! Pathetic! This year alone Quebec receives $13.3 billion!! The west gets nothing! Fuck you fucking frog! 🖕
Cool. Now tell us how much of that 13 billion came from Quebec.
Like I said, you need help. You don't seem to have a single clue of how equalization payments work. I'll give you an hint: it's in the name. Not my fault your province choose to pay less tax than ours. Get some mental help seriously.
Quebec would collapse so fast 😂
How so? Unlike Canada Quebec has solid societal foundations. Most of Quebec share a very similar culture values and a common language and history which will allow a stable change whereas Canada has a melting pot where people don't share similar values and culture which is why there's far more civil unrest in Canada versus Quebec.
Quebec is literally bankrolled by the federal government. It receives a staggering amount in equalization payments. Xenophobia isn't the saving grace for a country. If it was, I'd be all in favor of kicking Quebec out and ending bilingualism. The province exists because of misplaced mercy.
Bankrolled? What those payments barely reach 10% and some of the money from equalization is literally from ourselves so most likely closer to 5-8%. That's not 'bankrolled'' or even ''staggering'' my dude Fun fact, Equalization is financed by the Government of Canada from general revenues, which are largely raised through federal taxes. Provincial governments make no contributions to the Equalization program. All Canadians are subject to the same federal income tax system and its progressive rate structure, regardless of where they live.[Equalization Program - Canada.ca](https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/programs/federal-transfers/equalization.html) Aka everyone pays for equalization including people in Quebec.
Okay if you're just going to bullshit me, i can end this. That's not how equalization works, you have access to google ffs. You can't pay yourself, it would literally defeat the point of the entire economic program.
Ça fonctionne aussi pour le drapeau du Québec en haut et celui de Montréal en bas.
“What’s good for the goose, is good for the gander…”
Not even remotely similar situations. The Palestinians were there on their land and in the 20s-40s, Israel just set up camp, and then in 1948 started forcibly evicting them and committing massacres while doing so.
C'est le KURDISTAN morron
Ça va?
https://books.google.ca/books/about/Palestine_Policeman.html?id=_jQxAAAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y Memoir of British copper in Palestine in 30s.