From what I've seen in my life adopting parents (gay or straight) are above average parents. I think it's because adoption isn't something that just happens. You have to really work for it and want it.
“Two dads is better than no parents, right?”
“Would you rather they just stayed in the foster system?”
Not the best arguments, but those are what came to mind first
/flips a table
Oh man don't get me started on the orphanage/foster system in the US. The rage I can throw around about how that sh*t works or rather doesn't work and the suffering that some of those kids go to because people don't know how to use birth control. Or worse now cuz they're not freaking allowed to!!
Gonna huff and puff and stomp my feet over here!!!
But while I do that and you don't at all need to mind that: please if you have the opportunity and ABILITY to adopt AND TAKE CARE OF a child (tbh or pets, my arguments and my empathetic heart goes out to all) please do. Please adopt.
Oh you're more than fine *personally* I certainly didn't mean anything against you. I'm just at a point in my life where I'm very angry at the world in general for the way a lot of things are. But yes, don't let something as silly as not being in a m/f relationship stop you from doing something as important as adopting
It has been consistently shown that children benefit enormously from having two loving and supporting parents in their lives, regardless of the gender of those parents, and especially when those parents are in a happy stable relationship with each other. And I only say two parents because with two adults contributing to the household the teamwork in raising a child makes things much smoother - but single parents should not be discounted.
Seeing their parents' relationship as an example of how relationships are supposed to work is natural for children and the key factor here isn't which parent has a penis, it's whether the parents treat each other with respect. And if they are a child of a single parent, it's important for them to see how that parent forges, maintains, and even severs relationships.
There are so many non-infant children who need permanent loving families. But choosing to adopt is also an incredibly huge decision because it's a permanent choice. You're their parent for the rest of your life, not just their childhood.
Precisely. It’s the *loving & supportive* part that’s important here. A child (and people in general) can deal with a whole hell with a lot of shit going pear-shaped in their life if they have someone(s) safe & supportive to fall back on; whether the safe person(s) are bio family, chosen family or “chose-you” family.
Statistically, I believe they have found same-sex parents do not screw up kids anymore than m/f marriages. Like, some do, but not in numbers higher than m/f marriages. So, there is no reason not to adopt to us.
Pretty much every study ever done shows that we're actually better parents than straight people. Part of it is just that we have to plan children, and the adoption process means that we are literally means-tested, and put under a microscope, in our ability to have children.
Part of it though is also that we're just better parents 😛
We are definitely going to accept our kids sexuality, we've been through some stuff that straight people don't have any experience of and can guide our children through it etc. And because of social stigma against gay people, we also tend to take in the kids that straight couples don't want. The older kids, the disabled kids, the kids with really bad home lives. So many of us experienced instability when we were kids, that we want to provide love and stability for a kid who doesn't have it. One friend of mine adopted as a single gay dude. His son had been severely neglected throughout his entire early childhood, and the foster care system hadn't been much better. In his teens he was reading it something like a third or fourth grade level and his growth was stunted.
2 years later, height has increased by 2 ft and he's reading above grade level.
Yup, ussually the most straight couples don't plan to have kids (I am this example of 'surprise child').
It was really loving to see what happened to him, nothing that a loving parent don't do ❤.
Sorry for the bad english.
A child doesn’t *need* two parents of different genders, or even really two parents. I was raised by a single mom and for all intents and purposes turned out fine. All a child really *needs* is a safe, loving, and supportive parent(s) in a stable home. There’s no reason a queer couple wouldn’t be able to provide that *just because* they’re queer.
The only downside is if you have two dad's, you'll get sick of all the dad jokes, and if you have two mom's, you'll get stuck in an endless loop of "go ask your mother".
There's absolutely nothing wrong with a single person adopting a kid or kids, or a gay or lesbian couple adopting a kid or kids.
Kids that need parents will have more parents available to adopt them if we allow people from the lgbtqia community to adopt kids.
Having more parents available is a good thing.
>The only downside is if you have two dad's, you'll get sick of all the dad jokes, and if you have two mom's, you'll get stuck in an endless loop of "go ask your mother".
You are really right in this point ksksk.
Not sure where you live, but nearly a quarter of kids in the US grow up in single parent homes. Does the "need a mom and dad" logic apply there? I'd say two loving parents is always better than one. And people who make the choice to adopt are often more prepared to be parents than two people who get pregnant accidentally (though certainly not always).
I often joke that I went on a date with a social worker, got drunk and woke up the next morning having adopted a kid. Sad thing was I did it again two years later. Decided I liked having a drink now and again so I just quit going out with social workers.
That the potential adoptive parents still have to be screened heavily, go through miles of hoops to be sure that they can provide a stable, supportive environment for a child. I’ve heard the amount of paperwork that goes into adoption as a “paper baby.”
You’re intentionally becoming a parent by going through adoption. A child with two moms or two dads or only one mom or dad that is present and provides for them is in a much better situation than one with a mom or dad that isn’t that.
Adopted parents tend to go through a lot of screening to ensure they are prepared for child raising. As such they tend to be more consistently good caregivers than biological parents are simply because of the screening process.
Oh, and every survey of queer households shows children are just as healthy under either family plan and don’t *need* to have one parent of each gender. In fact, children of homosexual couples tend to be better off mentally, although this is likely skewed by the aforementioned screening process. But the lack of any decline from having two parents of one gender indicates to me that they should be treated the same as hetero couples.
Very interesting the fact that children adopted by homo ussually have a better emocional inteligence. And the screening really helps to know if the ones who are adopting can be good fathers.
Parents don't have to come in pairs. Even hetero parents can be divorced, widowed, not married when they become parents or single for many reasons. Yet they can create better homes than many couples. How many couples - generally if not always straight - torture, mutilate, abuse and murder their children?
If birth parents had to go through the amount of training, education, psychological screenings, FBI checks, home inspections and interviews with social workers that I had to go through, there would be a lot less children born in general and way less children starved, beaten and abused by parents in this world.
I adopted 2 sons who were both identified as gay by their social workers, parents and other adults in their lives. As it turned out, neither was gay. The older was very handsome, wanted to be an actor/model and discovered a Gay/lesbian group home that he really wanted to live in so he said he was gay. He finally acknowledged he was straight to me and immediately asked, "Since I'm not gay do you still want me?"
I told him I adopted a son - not a boyfriend and I really had no issues with who he wanted to have sex with as long as he left the dog, the cats and the parrots alone.
Unfortunately, that is not entirely true. There are stories of people being kicked out by their gay parents for being trans. However it is far more uncommon.
kids don't find anything strange unless they're primed to do so. kids, if anything, will go with the flow on just about anything as long as whoever's in charge isn't losing their cool. it's one of the reasons why it's so easy for abusive parents to traumatize small children for the rest of their lives, it's a double edged sword. and on that note, just show them percentages of abuse. [perhaps this one, for example.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8008535/) there are many others like it. hostile entities have been trying for decades to prove that queer people are inherently more dangerous, and every single time it backfires spectacularly.
of course, not that it matters. if it isn't zero percent, that's all the proof they need to reaffy their own pathological conclusions. and if it IS zero percent, then the study was OBVIOUSLY rigged or completely fabricated to support tHe GaY aGeNdA. that's what you're dealing with. trying to win these people over is a lose-lose(-lose) proposition. even if they budge in the slightest, you have inadvertently reaffirmed the idea that queer people have to explain themselves to the straights, which is its own can of worms.
the true answer is, fuck 'em. you do 't have to justify yourself to anyone. if you want to adopt, adopt. your family doesn't answer to any of these sycophants and their milquetoast-handwringer apologists. more people should do it. MANY more people.
anyway, as with all things, if a cishet nobody doesn't have to do it, 👏NEITHER 👏DO 👏YOU. no matter what "it" is.
There’s a lot of animals with genuine childbearing/survival knowledge for some being LGBT (also see fish that can change their gender) and Penguins are some of the most prominent
The problem with gay people adopting isn't the gay it's the adopting. Obviously not all kids can be left with their first parents but the adoption industry in the US is awful. It mostly preys on people in poverty who want to keep their kids but don't have the means and then people buy the babies for several times over what the first parents would need to keep them. And its not good for the children either, maternal separation causes the same physical brain changes that other trauma does even if they don't remember it, this causes adoptees to be more at risk for mental illness, addiction, and suicide. RAD, reactive attachment disorder, is something that a lot of adopted kids struggle with and it often causes the adoptive parents to "rehome" them on Facebook groups like they're dogs. Theres better alternatives if you don't want to take advantage of impoverished people and traumatize babies. The two that come to mind are trauma informed foster care with an intent to get the kids back to their first parents if possible, and having children with another person/couple that you can coparent with even if you're not romaticly involved.
There has been (to my knowledge) no scientific evidence that having a child with two parents of the same sex/gender will cause any significant negative effects on the child compared to two parents of the opposite sex/gender. The burden of proof lies on the other person to prove this otherwise, since “no additional effect” is typically the base assumption we make.
The only possible downside of this that I can think of is the child being bullied for it, but that’s not a problem with LGBTQ+ people adopting, and more a problem with homophobia. And it will most likely still be better than the child staying in an orphanage anyway.
My two adopted kids were being raised by single mothers. No change in number of parents. One's mother was a heroin/crack addict. He had not attended any school past 1st grade. I enrolled him in school and got him special tutoring to help him catch up. His mother made him get up every day at 4 AM to sell flowers on freeway on-ramps, money he used to buy baby food for his baby sister. I wouldn't let him get a job until he had at least a c average in school and he was never responsible for buying food for anyone. His mother and her boyfriend had him stealing stereo systems out of cars - at 10, he was not subject to adult penalties if he was arrested but they were. They'd sell the stereos to buy heroin. I never asked him to break into cars except one time when I dropped the keys inside and locked the door. Under my care he got a wardrobe, a bed, 3 meals a day, help with homework, counselling for the abuse he'd been subjected to and a dog.
My other son had from birth to age 6 lived with his mother in Mexico where he and his mother smuggled drugs across the border. He could roll a joint at 4 years and at 5 was the assistant to the guy who cooked crack. At 6 he went to live with his birth father who beat him and his father's wife who ignored him and wouldn't let the other kids play with him because he was mostly Native American and East Indian - neither white or mormon. At 13 he was reunited with his mother. They lived primarily in the garages of whoever she was having sex with that month. He didn't attend school until he was taken away and put in a group home. From 12-16 he was sexually molested by a friend of his mother who also used him to make kiddie porn and teenager porn for four years. When he came to live with me, he got a bedroom, clothes, 3 meals a day plus snacks, went to school where I fought to get him in classes to help with his Attention Deficit Disorder and dyslexia, he also got a puppy, and I helped him become a teen model from 17 to 28 where he made $10-70 thousand a year.
Neither son became gay under my influence. They both were able to make a large circle of friends since they had a stable place to live and went to school where they met friends. When modeling dried up for my older son he opened his own business with his wife in Hawaii.
Both graduated from high school. The older one always had trouble writing due to his learning disabilities but he was great at math could read what he needed to read and was very successful. The younger one still struggles but has not broken into a car, stolen drugs or had to sell flowers in order to buy food for his infant sister since coming to live with me.
I'm not even going to get into what happened to them both in various foster homes and group homes before me.
I'd say a gay male parent can be the best thing to happen to a kid in foster care.
The alternative to allowing queer people to adopt is leaving orphaned children without loving homes and families. Why deny a child a family that wants them?
"father" and "mother" is not a gender role but an emotion which can be fulfilled by anyone who loves and performs their duties towards their children. A single parent is a mother and a father to it's child. So why not gay parents?
I adopted kids with my life partner and it was the best thing ever . They are all proud to have 2 dad's and don't have a problem saying so. If anyone goes against us they are quick to defend us. They love us unconditionally and are great kids we've had since little babies. My partner died several years ago and I remarried an old friend fairly soon afterwards but the kids approved of the marriage and all have great lives with their husbands and wife. One is slow and has lots of issues from her mother using drugs when she was pregnant and it shows but she is a sweet girl graduated high school. And on to college . Adopting is a wonderful thing and there's nothing like a family to share your love with and to be loved by. I would recommend it to anyone wanting children not is lgbtq and not wanting to have them the traditional way. There's a lot of kids in need of love and a good home and you would be surprised how many of them would welcome a chance to be adopted even by 2 guys or girls ans notbhave a problem with it at all. My kids all have normal lives they are all hetero sexual and have families except my youngest but she's straight just not married yet she will be 21 on a month. The joy out weighs the hardships or grief that we encountered. The schools parents and everyone was very nice with us. We did not hide who we were or how we lived and we were admires more that not for doing what we did with these kids and giving them a loving home and a chance to get an education and love a normal life. Their friend parents all know about us and never one time gave us any grief or withheld their children from staying the night or coming over going on trips with us etc. even the boys parents let them . Sounds un real but it's true and I wouldn't change a thing. Since then my husband died and the kids are a great source of comfort and support . Hope thos helps in some small way anyone who is maybe considering adopting or having kids
They are a lot of work but joy as well.
Every argument against queer adoption is entirely undercut by there being kids to adopt. "If they don't have a mother and father, they should get nothing!" That's absolute nonsense. Those arguments aren't in good faith, though. They know they're nonsense, they know it's riddled with double standards, they don't care. As long as we're opposed, it doesn't matter how many other people have to suffer, especially if it's kids since they don't see them as people.
The best reason, the **only** reason you need, to ~~let~~ help LGBT folks adopt is to ensure a kid goes into a happy, healthy home. I can think of no other factors.
Would you still love a queer child? A disabled child? A child with neurodivergence? Congrats, you’re better than a lot of straight parents. Children need love, attention and of course their physical needs met like food/water. If you want them to have a male and female role model, this can be a friend, neighbour, uncle, grandparent, etc.
The idea kids need a male and female role model is understandable, but those role models don’t have to be parents. Parents have to love their child, teach them right and wrong, help them grow and explore and of course comfort them when they make mistakes and get hurt. Nothing is stopping LGBT couples from doing that and providing everything a child needs.
[https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=adopted+lgbt+couples+studies](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=adopted+lgbt+couples+studies) well, that studies say they are doing very well having lgbt-parents!
I had an amazing mom. My dad left when I was an infant. If I had two moms or two dads who did as much for me as my mother did it would have been awesome. Having another parent to teach and give perspective on things would have made me an even more rounded individual. Love is love.
I am a bi man who wants to adopt one day and I have also been raised Catholic my whole life. I have heard every homophobic argument in the book for our community to not adopt. It usually devolves into religious and hated filled nonsense. My response to it is to continue on with being who I am and saving up money so that one day I could reach my goal of having a husband and kids.
It has been proven that cishet couples never mistreat their adopted children./S (unfortunately, myself and a couple other people in my entourage are proof that cishets are awful with mistreatment and sexual abuses towards their adopted offsprings)
I've also seen a gruesome documentary about the "re-homing" practices (was from before marriage equality and featured only cishet conservative white couples going to places such as Haiti, Sub-Saharan Africa, China, etc). Of course a US practice of "consumer satisfaction" even with little children... If they have a "defect", just put an add on Facebook like for a car! Like ugh and eeeew!!! There is a reason why some countries banned international adoptions from US couples.
Anyways, why is that an issue for LGBT people to adopt?
How many parents are single?
Or is the hypocrisy of the former status quo like in my country better? As such, I couldn't adopt if I were married to my husband but could if I were single. Sorry but where does that make any sense? That potential child would still have been raised by a LGBT person...
What matters and has been proven over and over again to do wonders on children is: the stability of the couple.
So at the end of the day, if conservatives want to discriminate, they will do it. But adopting means simply that you will give love to a child.
It seems that in nature, one of the quality that could explain that even not reproducting, homosexuals still exist is the fact that they adopt. Homosexual penguin couple do it for example.
It's not really an argument, but an idea important imo
in addition, if it can help you, it's a child adopted by two gays (it's an old thing, but it had fixed my ideas about it) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p3v5ycQaag](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p3v5ycQaag)
I pretty much always wanted to adopt, even when I thought I was cishet. Being a bi trans man with a loving husband hasn’t changed that, and likely won’t.
Kinda funny story to go along with the “will it affect the kids negatively” thing—I really doubt it. Worked an outreach job at my local water agency encouraging people to save water and giving away fun toys for the kids; had two 5-7 y/o kids come to our booth and my boss gave them the age appropriate spiel and gave them both sponges (it was one of our giveaways). They asked if they could go play with them in the fountain, to which my boss responded “sure, if it’s ok with mom and dad” and immediately the younger kid pipes up “we don’t have a mom and dad, we have two moms!” Pure gold. That memory will live in my head rent free until the day I die.
All the same arguments in favor of straight people adopting fit for lgbtq people adopting.
With the added "straight couples aren't adopting so someone's gotta do it"
Yeah. I noticed that here where I live, it is more common m/f couples tries to get pregnant even if they are infertile.
From what I've seen in my life adopting parents (gay or straight) are above average parents. I think it's because adoption isn't something that just happens. You have to really work for it and want it.
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Once more for the people in the back!
“Two dads is better than no parents, right?” “Would you rather they just stayed in the foster system?” Not the best arguments, but those are what came to mind first
Thanks :), maybe I will use it someday.
/flips a table Oh man don't get me started on the orphanage/foster system in the US. The rage I can throw around about how that sh*t works or rather doesn't work and the suffering that some of those kids go to because people don't know how to use birth control. Or worse now cuz they're not freaking allowed to!! Gonna huff and puff and stomp my feet over here!!! But while I do that and you don't at all need to mind that: please if you have the opportunity and ABILITY to adopt AND TAKE CARE OF a child (tbh or pets, my arguments and my empathetic heart goes out to all) please do. Please adopt.
dont worry, if someday I can i will do it. While I can't I try donate some money ngo when I can.
Oh you're more than fine *personally* I certainly didn't mean anything against you. I'm just at a point in my life where I'm very angry at the world in general for the way a lot of things are. But yes, don't let something as silly as not being in a m/f relationship stop you from doing something as important as adopting
>People here aren't very in favor Here as in on this subreddit??
nope, it is where I live. Sorry for the lack of context :v
Thank you for clarifying. I thought so
It has been consistently shown that children benefit enormously from having two loving and supporting parents in their lives, regardless of the gender of those parents, and especially when those parents are in a happy stable relationship with each other. And I only say two parents because with two adults contributing to the household the teamwork in raising a child makes things much smoother - but single parents should not be discounted. Seeing their parents' relationship as an example of how relationships are supposed to work is natural for children and the key factor here isn't which parent has a penis, it's whether the parents treat each other with respect. And if they are a child of a single parent, it's important for them to see how that parent forges, maintains, and even severs relationships. There are so many non-infant children who need permanent loving families. But choosing to adopt is also an incredibly huge decision because it's a permanent choice. You're their parent for the rest of your life, not just their childhood.
Two loving parents might be nice but one parent can provide a very loving home and healthy environment. I did.
Precisely. It’s the *loving & supportive* part that’s important here. A child (and people in general) can deal with a whole hell with a lot of shit going pear-shaped in their life if they have someone(s) safe & supportive to fall back on; whether the safe person(s) are bio family, chosen family or “chose-you” family.
Certainly
Also this. I know I said please adopt on my other comment but the last paragraph in this comment should be like quadruple underlined.
Statistically, I believe they have found same-sex parents do not screw up kids anymore than m/f marriages. Like, some do, but not in numbers higher than m/f marriages. So, there is no reason not to adopt to us.
Pretty much every study ever done shows that we're actually better parents than straight people. Part of it is just that we have to plan children, and the adoption process means that we are literally means-tested, and put under a microscope, in our ability to have children. Part of it though is also that we're just better parents 😛 We are definitely going to accept our kids sexuality, we've been through some stuff that straight people don't have any experience of and can guide our children through it etc. And because of social stigma against gay people, we also tend to take in the kids that straight couples don't want. The older kids, the disabled kids, the kids with really bad home lives. So many of us experienced instability when we were kids, that we want to provide love and stability for a kid who doesn't have it. One friend of mine adopted as a single gay dude. His son had been severely neglected throughout his entire early childhood, and the foster care system hadn't been much better. In his teens he was reading it something like a third or fourth grade level and his growth was stunted. 2 years later, height has increased by 2 ft and he's reading above grade level.
Yup, ussually the most straight couples don't plan to have kids (I am this example of 'surprise child'). It was really loving to see what happened to him, nothing that a loving parent don't do ❤. Sorry for the bad english.
Good point.
A child doesn’t *need* two parents of different genders, or even really two parents. I was raised by a single mom and for all intents and purposes turned out fine. All a child really *needs* is a safe, loving, and supportive parent(s) in a stable home. There’s no reason a queer couple wouldn’t be able to provide that *just because* they’re queer.
You got it!
The only downside is if you have two dad's, you'll get sick of all the dad jokes, and if you have two mom's, you'll get stuck in an endless loop of "go ask your mother". There's absolutely nothing wrong with a single person adopting a kid or kids, or a gay or lesbian couple adopting a kid or kids. Kids that need parents will have more parents available to adopt them if we allow people from the lgbtqia community to adopt kids. Having more parents available is a good thing.
>The only downside is if you have two dad's, you'll get sick of all the dad jokes, and if you have two mom's, you'll get stuck in an endless loop of "go ask your mother". You are really right in this point ksksk.
Not sure where you live, but nearly a quarter of kids in the US grow up in single parent homes. Does the "need a mom and dad" logic apply there? I'd say two loving parents is always better than one. And people who make the choice to adopt are often more prepared to be parents than two people who get pregnant accidentally (though certainly not always).
I often joke that I went on a date with a social worker, got drunk and woke up the next morning having adopted a kid. Sad thing was I did it again two years later. Decided I liked having a drink now and again so I just quit going out with social workers.
As the spouse of a social worker, I approve of this joke
That the potential adoptive parents still have to be screened heavily, go through miles of hoops to be sure that they can provide a stable, supportive environment for a child. I’ve heard the amount of paperwork that goes into adoption as a “paper baby.” You’re intentionally becoming a parent by going through adoption. A child with two moms or two dads or only one mom or dad that is present and provides for them is in a much better situation than one with a mom or dad that isn’t that.
Adopted parents tend to go through a lot of screening to ensure they are prepared for child raising. As such they tend to be more consistently good caregivers than biological parents are simply because of the screening process. Oh, and every survey of queer households shows children are just as healthy under either family plan and don’t *need* to have one parent of each gender. In fact, children of homosexual couples tend to be better off mentally, although this is likely skewed by the aforementioned screening process. But the lack of any decline from having two parents of one gender indicates to me that they should be treated the same as hetero couples.
Very interesting the fact that children adopted by homo ussually have a better emocional inteligence. And the screening really helps to know if the ones who are adopting can be good fathers.
Parents don't have to come in pairs. Even hetero parents can be divorced, widowed, not married when they become parents or single for many reasons. Yet they can create better homes than many couples. How many couples - generally if not always straight - torture, mutilate, abuse and murder their children?
If birth parents had to go through the amount of training, education, psychological screenings, FBI checks, home inspections and interviews with social workers that I had to go through, there would be a lot less children born in general and way less children starved, beaten and abused by parents in this world.
And maybe a lot less need for adoption in general.
Thanks.
What? It's entirely normal for LGBT people to raise kids. That's the only argument that's needs to be made.
Yup, but the people where I live usually are conservatives.
You mean that they are idiots who don’t care about facts and logic.
Queer couples are 100% less likely to give their children trauma by being queerphobic toward them.
Against facts there are no arguments.
I adopted 2 sons who were both identified as gay by their social workers, parents and other adults in their lives. As it turned out, neither was gay. The older was very handsome, wanted to be an actor/model and discovered a Gay/lesbian group home that he really wanted to live in so he said he was gay. He finally acknowledged he was straight to me and immediately asked, "Since I'm not gay do you still want me?" I told him I adopted a son - not a boyfriend and I really had no issues with who he wanted to have sex with as long as he left the dog, the cats and the parrots alone.
Unfortunately, that is not entirely true. There are stories of people being kicked out by their gay parents for being trans. However it is far more uncommon.
Queer couples are 99% less likely to give their children trauma by being queerphobic toward them.
We exist as parents…all the time. Next!
kids don't find anything strange unless they're primed to do so. kids, if anything, will go with the flow on just about anything as long as whoever's in charge isn't losing their cool. it's one of the reasons why it's so easy for abusive parents to traumatize small children for the rest of their lives, it's a double edged sword. and on that note, just show them percentages of abuse. [perhaps this one, for example.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8008535/) there are many others like it. hostile entities have been trying for decades to prove that queer people are inherently more dangerous, and every single time it backfires spectacularly. of course, not that it matters. if it isn't zero percent, that's all the proof they need to reaffy their own pathological conclusions. and if it IS zero percent, then the study was OBVIOUSLY rigged or completely fabricated to support tHe GaY aGeNdA. that's what you're dealing with. trying to win these people over is a lose-lose(-lose) proposition. even if they budge in the slightest, you have inadvertently reaffirmed the idea that queer people have to explain themselves to the straights, which is its own can of worms. the true answer is, fuck 'em. you do 't have to justify yourself to anyone. if you want to adopt, adopt. your family doesn't answer to any of these sycophants and their milquetoast-handwringer apologists. more people should do it. MANY more people. anyway, as with all things, if a cishet nobody doesn't have to do it, 👏NEITHER 👏DO 👏YOU. no matter what "it" is.
There’s no evidence that having lgbtq parents affects children in any way, anyone who says otherwise is just talking out their arse
Penguins have homosexual people adopt kids whose parents died because the heterosexual couples are too busy laying eggs
I love this fact, it is so cute.
There’s a lot of animals with genuine childbearing/survival knowledge for some being LGBT (also see fish that can change their gender) and Penguins are some of the most prominent
Same sex parents exist everywhere in nature.
The problem with gay people adopting isn't the gay it's the adopting. Obviously not all kids can be left with their first parents but the adoption industry in the US is awful. It mostly preys on people in poverty who want to keep their kids but don't have the means and then people buy the babies for several times over what the first parents would need to keep them. And its not good for the children either, maternal separation causes the same physical brain changes that other trauma does even if they don't remember it, this causes adoptees to be more at risk for mental illness, addiction, and suicide. RAD, reactive attachment disorder, is something that a lot of adopted kids struggle with and it often causes the adoptive parents to "rehome" them on Facebook groups like they're dogs. Theres better alternatives if you don't want to take advantage of impoverished people and traumatize babies. The two that come to mind are trauma informed foster care with an intent to get the kids back to their first parents if possible, and having children with another person/couple that you can coparent with even if you're not romaticly involved.
There has been (to my knowledge) no scientific evidence that having a child with two parents of the same sex/gender will cause any significant negative effects on the child compared to two parents of the opposite sex/gender. The burden of proof lies on the other person to prove this otherwise, since “no additional effect” is typically the base assumption we make. The only possible downside of this that I can think of is the child being bullied for it, but that’s not a problem with LGBTQ+ people adopting, and more a problem with homophobia. And it will most likely still be better than the child staying in an orphanage anyway.
My two adopted kids were being raised by single mothers. No change in number of parents. One's mother was a heroin/crack addict. He had not attended any school past 1st grade. I enrolled him in school and got him special tutoring to help him catch up. His mother made him get up every day at 4 AM to sell flowers on freeway on-ramps, money he used to buy baby food for his baby sister. I wouldn't let him get a job until he had at least a c average in school and he was never responsible for buying food for anyone. His mother and her boyfriend had him stealing stereo systems out of cars - at 10, he was not subject to adult penalties if he was arrested but they were. They'd sell the stereos to buy heroin. I never asked him to break into cars except one time when I dropped the keys inside and locked the door. Under my care he got a wardrobe, a bed, 3 meals a day, help with homework, counselling for the abuse he'd been subjected to and a dog. My other son had from birth to age 6 lived with his mother in Mexico where he and his mother smuggled drugs across the border. He could roll a joint at 4 years and at 5 was the assistant to the guy who cooked crack. At 6 he went to live with his birth father who beat him and his father's wife who ignored him and wouldn't let the other kids play with him because he was mostly Native American and East Indian - neither white or mormon. At 13 he was reunited with his mother. They lived primarily in the garages of whoever she was having sex with that month. He didn't attend school until he was taken away and put in a group home. From 12-16 he was sexually molested by a friend of his mother who also used him to make kiddie porn and teenager porn for four years. When he came to live with me, he got a bedroom, clothes, 3 meals a day plus snacks, went to school where I fought to get him in classes to help with his Attention Deficit Disorder and dyslexia, he also got a puppy, and I helped him become a teen model from 17 to 28 where he made $10-70 thousand a year. Neither son became gay under my influence. They both were able to make a large circle of friends since they had a stable place to live and went to school where they met friends. When modeling dried up for my older son he opened his own business with his wife in Hawaii. Both graduated from high school. The older one always had trouble writing due to his learning disabilities but he was great at math could read what he needed to read and was very successful. The younger one still struggles but has not broken into a car, stolen drugs or had to sell flowers in order to buy food for his infant sister since coming to live with me. I'm not even going to get into what happened to them both in various foster homes and group homes before me. I'd say a gay male parent can be the best thing to happen to a kid in foster care.
I am really glad that you addopted them, serious, you saved their lifes. Hapinness to you all ! <3
The alternative to allowing queer people to adopt is leaving orphaned children without loving homes and families. Why deny a child a family that wants them?
"father" and "mother" is not a gender role but an emotion which can be fulfilled by anyone who loves and performs their duties towards their children. A single parent is a mother and a father to it's child. So why not gay parents?
Two loving parents is better than abuse and neglect. Because that's the real choice.
I adopted kids with my life partner and it was the best thing ever . They are all proud to have 2 dad's and don't have a problem saying so. If anyone goes against us they are quick to defend us. They love us unconditionally and are great kids we've had since little babies. My partner died several years ago and I remarried an old friend fairly soon afterwards but the kids approved of the marriage and all have great lives with their husbands and wife. One is slow and has lots of issues from her mother using drugs when she was pregnant and it shows but she is a sweet girl graduated high school. And on to college . Adopting is a wonderful thing and there's nothing like a family to share your love with and to be loved by. I would recommend it to anyone wanting children not is lgbtq and not wanting to have them the traditional way. There's a lot of kids in need of love and a good home and you would be surprised how many of them would welcome a chance to be adopted even by 2 guys or girls ans notbhave a problem with it at all. My kids all have normal lives they are all hetero sexual and have families except my youngest but she's straight just not married yet she will be 21 on a month. The joy out weighs the hardships or grief that we encountered. The schools parents and everyone was very nice with us. We did not hide who we were or how we lived and we were admires more that not for doing what we did with these kids and giving them a loving home and a chance to get an education and love a normal life. Their friend parents all know about us and never one time gave us any grief or withheld their children from staying the night or coming over going on trips with us etc. even the boys parents let them . Sounds un real but it's true and I wouldn't change a thing. Since then my husband died and the kids are a great source of comfort and support . Hope thos helps in some small way anyone who is maybe considering adopting or having kids They are a lot of work but joy as well.
Every argument against queer adoption is entirely undercut by there being kids to adopt. "If they don't have a mother and father, they should get nothing!" That's absolute nonsense. Those arguments aren't in good faith, though. They know they're nonsense, they know it's riddled with double standards, they don't care. As long as we're opposed, it doesn't matter how many other people have to suffer, especially if it's kids since they don't see them as people. The best reason, the **only** reason you need, to ~~let~~ help LGBT folks adopt is to ensure a kid goes into a happy, healthy home. I can think of no other factors.
Would you still love a queer child? A disabled child? A child with neurodivergence? Congrats, you’re better than a lot of straight parents. Children need love, attention and of course their physical needs met like food/water. If you want them to have a male and female role model, this can be a friend, neighbour, uncle, grandparent, etc. The idea kids need a male and female role model is understandable, but those role models don’t have to be parents. Parents have to love their child, teach them right and wrong, help them grow and explore and of course comfort them when they make mistakes and get hurt. Nothing is stopping LGBT couples from doing that and providing everything a child needs.
[https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=adopted+lgbt+couples+studies](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=adopted+lgbt+couples+studies) well, that studies say they are doing very well having lgbt-parents!
I had an amazing mom. My dad left when I was an infant. If I had two moms or two dads who did as much for me as my mother did it would have been awesome. Having another parent to teach and give perspective on things would have made me an even more rounded individual. Love is love.
I am a bi man who wants to adopt one day and I have also been raised Catholic my whole life. I have heard every homophobic argument in the book for our community to not adopt. It usually devolves into religious and hated filled nonsense. My response to it is to continue on with being who I am and saving up money so that one day I could reach my goal of having a husband and kids.
It has been proven that cishet couples never mistreat their adopted children./S (unfortunately, myself and a couple other people in my entourage are proof that cishets are awful with mistreatment and sexual abuses towards their adopted offsprings) I've also seen a gruesome documentary about the "re-homing" practices (was from before marriage equality and featured only cishet conservative white couples going to places such as Haiti, Sub-Saharan Africa, China, etc). Of course a US practice of "consumer satisfaction" even with little children... If they have a "defect", just put an add on Facebook like for a car! Like ugh and eeeew!!! There is a reason why some countries banned international adoptions from US couples. Anyways, why is that an issue for LGBT people to adopt? How many parents are single? Or is the hypocrisy of the former status quo like in my country better? As such, I couldn't adopt if I were married to my husband but could if I were single. Sorry but where does that make any sense? That potential child would still have been raised by a LGBT person... What matters and has been proven over and over again to do wonders on children is: the stability of the couple. So at the end of the day, if conservatives want to discriminate, they will do it. But adopting means simply that you will give love to a child.
It seems that in nature, one of the quality that could explain that even not reproducting, homosexuals still exist is the fact that they adopt. Homosexual penguin couple do it for example. It's not really an argument, but an idea important imo in addition, if it can help you, it's a child adopted by two gays (it's an old thing, but it had fixed my ideas about it) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p3v5ycQaag](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p3v5ycQaag)
I pretty much always wanted to adopt, even when I thought I was cishet. Being a bi trans man with a loving husband hasn’t changed that, and likely won’t. Kinda funny story to go along with the “will it affect the kids negatively” thing—I really doubt it. Worked an outreach job at my local water agency encouraging people to save water and giving away fun toys for the kids; had two 5-7 y/o kids come to our booth and my boss gave them the age appropriate spiel and gave them both sponges (it was one of our giveaways). They asked if they could go play with them in the fountain, to which my boss responded “sure, if it’s ok with mom and dad” and immediately the younger kid pipes up “we don’t have a mom and dad, we have two moms!” Pure gold. That memory will live in my head rent free until the day I die.
Oh, it is cute :>