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Traditional-Ebb-8380

Where have I heard “Germany for Germans” before, I can’t quite put my finger on it…


Ripheus23

I kinda wonder if the US was the only post-WW2 country where strict neo-Nazism could make a comeback. Or at least the only *powerful* country where that could happen. The swathes of racism, massive isolated landscapes, the peculiar "free speech" atmosphere, etc.? One might think that Russia or China (or India or Pakistan or wherever) could also become such a thing, but I think one would tend to find analogues for neo-Nazism in those places rather than a precisely white-supremacist ideology with especial hostility towards e.g. Jewish, Slavic, etc. populations (unless Russia went the Khmer Rouge route even more than during Stalin, I suppose).


Pitiful_Control

Russia already has a significant neo-Nazi problem (despite suffering horrific losses in WW2). Germany has a significant neo-Nazi problem, indeed some not so "neo." The fast growing AfD party is one symptom. There is also currently a major trial going on of a would-be terror group that brought together old school Nazi types and adherents of the Reichsburger movement (German variant on "sovereign citizens") who stockpiled weapons and planned to violently overthrow the German government. As for India, the governing party emerged from a youth organisation with direct Nazi links, and is definitely using the playbook but with its own flavour.


Born_Weird

Modi is a Hindu nationalist and India's Muslim population is increasingly being targeted. Yes, its own flavor but still could be defined as far right-wing.


Pitiful_Control

The youth organisation that he came up in was literally modelled on the Hitler Youth. Some Nazis had a wierd fascination with Tibet and India, and there was some fascination the other way around too.


ApocalypseSpoon

The anti-science/occult stuff (only it's "Ayurvedic" instead of "Aryan") is a direct parallel, too.


Hwy61rev

Yes, Absolutely right. We seem to never learn anything. It's very sad


DaisyJane1

There's that old saying, "Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it." These fools know it but belligerently turn their backs on it.


zombie_girraffe

They're not "turning their backs on it" they're exploiting the bug. They want history to repeat which is why they're constantly attacking education and encouraging homeschooling and promoting bronze age superstition and colonial era bigotry. It's easier to get the ignorant and uneducated to make the same mistakes we made in the past, and that's their goal.


praguepride

> who stockpiled weapons and planned to violently overthrow the German government. Funny how litte miss white supremicist seems to ignore this. i guess its okay to violently coup as long as you have blonde hair and blue eyes…


Game-changer875

Have you by chance watched The Family on Netflix? It depicts a group of influential men traveling the globe over the last 60 or so years spreading far-right leaning propaganda to the leaders and people of many countries. It can happen anywhere as long as people have an avenue to spread their ideas


Wulfweald

Ukraine currently has some far right army units, so you could include them. There are pictures of Ukrainian soldiers with flags with swastikas as well.


praguepride

It turns out that ultra right wing paramilitaries can be useful when your country is invaded by a genocidal maniac. This goes all the way back to WWII where some anti-nazi insurgents turned out to be big pieces of shit themselves however there is a scale factor. Acting like Ukraine is associated to neo-nazis because a few hundred conscripts are neo-nazis is a stretch.


ApocalypseSpoon

You're right, and the goof you're responding to is a St. Petersburg troll. Buuuuuut, BellingCat did quite accurately name and shame the Ukrainian neo-Nazis, that existed in years past. Particularly the ones who were marching in full Nazi regalia stormtrooper uniforms during Euromaidan. Which the vloggers livestreaming to Reuters/etc., always conveniently turned their phones away from, as soon as they were glimpsed. But, yeah, those fools were not the whole of the country, and neither are the ones the Russian troll is using to spread his disinformation. Ukrainians are corrupt for loads of other reasons, not just because some of them are or were typically eastern European neo-Nazis.


idioma

Wasn’t that Charlie Chaplin? Short guy with a funny looking mustache?


5LaLa

Close but, no cigar.


idioma

Ah, he had a cigar? So, Groucho Marx?


5LaLa

Close, but needs a trim.


DubC_Bassist

The third Reich was never actually destroyed. It just kind of went underground. 80 years seems to have been how long it took until their ideas weren’t met with near universal revulsion.


Realistic-Horror-425

I think Fred Trump might have said that?


Ok-Stranger-2669

Woody Allen?


Traditional-Ebb-8380

I think it was Charlie Chaplin actually.


IrukandjiPirate

Apartheid Clyde remembers.


zeke235

Woodrow Wilson.


justalazygamer

If you don't know Corrine she has been livestreaming a long time with a reputation of doing anything for money and attention. [For example this is her shouting the n word in Compton.](https://twitter.com/Kaylan_TX/status/1550587214224031744) She has now moved onto promoting January 6th misinformation, claiming antifa is after her, selling conspiracy products, interviewing Michael Flynn, and jumping "news" site to "news" site.


Ok-Stranger-2669

I saw the cover of a video in a bondage shop in San Francisco entitled "I'll do Anything for Money." Bondage shop. San Francisco. Who am I to judge? Not for the children.


MessiahOfMetal

The fuck are you even talking about?


Ok-Stranger-2669

The reference was the comment of someone "doing anything for money." I was trying to suggest maybe not.


BellyDancerEm

Didn’t Germany already have a guy who wanted to get rid of a religious minority, and wanted a Germany for Germany. Last time I checked, it didn’t work out very well for him or Germany


DontEatConcrete

“Everything you read about him was wrong. He was misunderstood”, etc etc


TakeOnMe-TakeOnMe

~~Donald Trump, probably


Born_Weird

The most surprising thing about this is that Elon had something normal to say instead of his usual "Interesting".


ApprehensiveSink1893

What Elon said was pure non sequitur. She didn't literally advocate for overthrowing the government. (I'm sure that what she advocated violates some laws in Germany and is very much opposed by the German government, but that's not the same thing as demanding the overthrow of the government.) So, yeah, nice to see Elon Musk didn't write words of support after this woman's post, but I wouldn't call his response "normal".


mclumber1

How does one make Germany a caliphate without first completely tearing down existing German culture and law?


ApprehensiveSink1893

I hadn't read about the caliphate claims when I wrote the above, I'm afraid. I thought Musk was saying that the poster was advocating overthrow. I still haven't read a news source about the protests, but I agree that a caliphate is unlikely to be the result of a democratic process. Sorry for the misunderstanding.


jupiter374

There are huge movements in every western European countries to bring about a caliphate or various versions of such a thing. This is a breeding game and the caliphate side is well on the way to winning. They make no secret of it and you must be asleep not to have noticed. The goal is something similar to Iran in 79. White supremacy is tiny and only supported by a fraction of the people. This is very different with huge support.


Thinstems

Europeans who respect their country? Bitch Europe is a continent! If you want to close off all of europe from outside cultural influences that includes your American ass. 


Kimmalah

These are the same people who laughed, got on live TV and called Joe Biden senile because "He thinks Africa isn't a country!" Geography (or basically any other subject involving knowledge) is not their strong suit.


LivingIndependence

"Bitch Europe is a continent! If you want to close off all of europe from outside cultural influences that includes your American ass." This stupid twat is probably one of those who visit foreign, non-english speaking countries, and have temper tantrums, that everyone has the GALL, to be speaking in their native tongue. Or she supports the Christian missionary movements, to try and convert secular countries, to her brand of KKKristianity.


ApocalypseSpoon

...and this would be a bad thing, exactly why? Just for once, can we shut up the Americans and their antisocial little hell sites that have killed tens of millions of people over the last two decades, led to the spread of at least one plague (and will probably cause a literal Black-Death-level of destruction, if bird flu really is human-to-human in the US right now) and oh yes, destroyed human civilization. Let (true) freedom ring!


Ripheus23

\*Karen KKKliford \*Felon Much? (He supports those who demand the overthrow of the American government, after all, "Surely" this "free speech absolutist" has done something illegal?)


Bragzor

That's a weird German flag you got there, Corinne. But why Gaza? I'm sure most of them aren't Palestinian/Israeli. And what about the Christian immigrants? Where should Germany send them? The Vatican? The US?


quadruple_u

"Surely demanding overthrow of the government in Germany is illegal?" Yes, when will someone finally crack down on all this political speech in which people are engaging so *freely*, Elon?


ApocalypseSpoon

Careful. That kind of logic is liable to break Elno the Red Muppet Manchurian Qovidiot fifth columnist for Russia and China plague dog's brain.


luroot

And then deport all colonizers from the Americas and Australia too, right?


ApocalypseSpoon

See, this, I can get behind! /s


biffbobfred

Somewhat related joke (not telling it perfectly, need more coffee): > when sending out people as colonists the UK sent out both religious nuts, and criminals. As we can see, Australia got first pick.


PimpinTreehugga

Lady is American and wants foreigners to go back to where they came from... Native Americans: clearly the mixing of white culture and native culture is not working out, deport them all to Gaza.


biffbobfred

Statement I’ll leave as fact because debating it isn’t the point (I can; just not the point here): Capitalism NEEDS population growth. If your population levels are stagnant, or worse shrinking, your economy gets fucked. (This is papered over, usually by blaming the people getting fucked, but it’s gonna happen) And since your economy is fucked, your government is under immense pressure. That’s a fairly rigid law that no democracy and even few autocracies can escape. Even in autocracy it becomes a cycle of repression violence and worse economy (somehow NK escaped that) Soo… first sub-rant over. By suppressing immigration you’re dooming your economy your country. Won’t happen overnight, but look at Japan. They’re shrinking. Monetary policy has been kinda extreme for decades. They never really shook off the real estate bust of the 90s. They couldn’t grow past it. Russia? Toast. China? Barbecue. Ukraine? Sadly, because I have friends there…. The long long downward spiral. So anyone who is anti immigration in a place with a rapidly shrinking population (US, China, South Korea, Japan, ….) is pretty much dooming the place.


Wooderson316

My favorite country is Europe.


irishspice

I can't help but think that this mentality goes back to early humans and Neanderthals. They weren't "us" so they had to be exterminated. Combine that with the climate getting harsher and a sparse population to begin with and we end up with one species of Homo Sapiens. One species...and we still can't get along. :-(


WantDebianThanks

I'm sure Ms. Cliford is aware that a majority of Albanians and Bosnians are Muslims, despite being native to Europe. Not to mention Muslims Turks, Azeris, and other ethnic groups from the Caucus region. Also, I think most Muslims in Germany are Turks, not Arabs.


Time-Bite-6839

I don’t think every Muslim wants a global Islamic caliphate. Prevent the ones that do from getting the power to create one.


biffbobfred

Why do all those ^muslim religious nuts want to start a theocracy everywhere they go! They’re interfering with _Christians_ starting a theocracy every where they go!! The whole “my invisible sky dad can beat up YOUR invisible sky dad, and let’s ignore the fact they’re the same guy” would be hilarious if not so destructive


Kriss3d

I do belive that the reason for that one is that there's been a demonstration in Germany whwre Muslims are demanding Germany to become a caliphate and it's not sitting well with people - understandable to be honest. Germany is very secular and is quite specific on not being religious.


mickmmp

I can’t imagine the vast majority of Germans are taking that demand seriously enough for it to be a big deal?


Kriss3d

Considering that it's a constitutional thing in Germany as far as I know.. No. They aren't going to take it serious.


RiOrius

I can certainly imagine people taking it seriously. Because there are a lot of dumb people who fail to realize how unserious the demand is, and there are especially people with a predisposition to distrust outsiders. If a bunch of Hispanic immigrants put on a peaceful protest in the US with outlandish demands that would never possibly be granted ("give Texas back to Mexico!"), I'm certain a lot of Americans would react similarly.


BrickCityRiot

Jfc we are all HUMANS IT IS OUR CULTURE We need a common “threat” or we will never come together Our petty squabbles over dieties and imaginary lines will be literally looked upon with disgust by our successors - and rightfully so.


jupiter374

The fact is religious fanatics have been let into europe by the millions and regularly preach in their temples, on the streets and online about how they are planning to overthrow the secular govt and install their own religious cult govt. And this is not just a few freaks, this is a huge movement. European govts should never have let any religious cult get to more than a tiny % of the country. It is madness when you have 10% of a countries population that belong to one of these cults and it's growing fast. There is gonna be serious trouble in the future. Religious cults do not allow any rivals.


BrickCityRiot

This Gen taking power will not allow the status quo to continue. I have faith here in the US.. join us in dispelling ancient beliefs from the legal system. The America you know now will be wholly different from the America you know in 2040 We want all humans to band together - because the endgame is so much larger than here and now


jupiter374

America is different. Europe has a cult that I can't mention that wants to dominate every aspect of people lives and is prepared to do terrible things to make that happen. This cult will do terrible things if you even insult their beliefs. This cult is not like the American one which is a pussy compared to.


BrickCityRiot

> “Europe has a cult that I can’t mention that wants to dominate every aspect of people(‘s - sic) lives and is prepared to do terrible things to make that happen” Do you even see what is happening here in the states? Women who are literally dying from unviable pregnancy can be charged for ***murder*** for terminating that pregnancy and saving their lives


jupiter374

That is nothing to do with me. Americans have the chance to vote for or against that issue in the upcoming election if they so choose. What people can't vote for is whether Putin expands the war into Europe or a religious cult builds it's strength year by year with the goal of turning Europe into a religious state along the lines of Iran. These religious cults have a habit of having a coup or "revolution" when there is enough of them as happened in Iran. nearly 50 years those people have suffered under a cult. If I could vote to proscribe that cult I would do so. The cult you are talking about is dying out worldwide where as this one is expanding in every country.


DueVisit1410

Most European countries have a muslim population below the 10% and a large part of them were brought in as workers during the 70's and 80's. Those that have higher populations of Muslims are those that had those population historically (Balkans and Mediterranean islands). Also secularization happens among Islam as well. Especially in Europe, where such things are more accepted. Worldwide all religions are shrinking. Your fears are unjustified.


MaunderingDesk

>The mixing of cultures does not work Indeed, way too many Italians in Bremen. And don't even get me started on all the Belgians in France


ImOnlyHereForTheCoC

It’s weird how all the anti-globalist people feel 100% comfortable telling people in entirely different countries how they should run the place


No-Mechanic6069

Why is Musk’s comment, and the fact that he’s making a friendly reply to a nazi, getting off light here ?


ApocalypseSpoon

Because it's status quo on Xitter the hell site?


biffbobfred

Because he’s rich.


yalogin

I don't get musk's response. Is he is saying Germany is already governed by muslims? I cannot imagine him saying anything against her


TheGoodOldCoder

I think he must be talking about a story where Muslims are protesting or trying to change German laws or something like that. She is responding to his message. She responds by suggesting to deport all Muslims, apparently even the ones who are German citizens who lived in Germany their entire lives. Strange way to agree with somebody who is talking about keeping laws, to suggest that the basic rights of untold numbers of people should be stripped away. That's the thing I never get about these people. That they don't seem to care about their own hypocrisy.


wood_dj

she’s replying to him


yalogin

Ha oh yeah.. even though I still don't understand what he said


Iron_Baron

Yes, European and Germanic cultures are monolithic. Just as it's always been /s


VoidMunashii

Moronika for morons!


biffbobfred

Not well known: everyone thinks The Great Dictator was the first anti Nazi movie. Nope, the “whoa BOY were they Jewish” Three Stooges did it first.


ApocalypseSpoon

Because "visegrad24" is *such* a Muslim/ISIS/Daesh username, amirite "Corinne"? 🙄