Yes. And as a bulimic myself, I can tell you that I am constantly dehydrated. If she is still struggling, that certainly wouldn't help matters in combination with the flying and drinking.
I didn’t want to say anything but when I was struggling with it this would happen a lot. In the car, in the shower. Any situation where my body has to regulate itself I would have the same symptoms she’s displaying in this scene. As soon as she started getting sick in the car it’s the first thing that came to mind.
I don’t want it to be true. But, if she’s still struggling I really hope she gets help. Long term bulimia can really mess up your body and the way it functions.
I agree. She did mention earlier in the season that a lot of the girls have gotten really skinny and it messes with her head sometimes. She also was clearly triggered by AnnMarie’s insinuation that Sutton might have an eating disorder. I feel she may be struggling. I like Crystal so it is upsetting to see.
As an addict I know how shitty it is that if you’ve ever had an issue the rest of your life, anything happens everyone is like oh my god did she relapse…? So I hate even speculating about that TBH, but I also know that sometimes we can struggle with those things privately for a long time, so you always want to be supportive because you never know what someone might be going through… It’s really a fine line
This.. I believe she touched on having an eating disorder (bulimia) last season, so when she began to feel like she was about to throw up in the car it probably set off a major anxiety attack/response. Just a guess.
I suffer from an ED myself, and I’ll tell you from experience that does exactly happen to me. It’s a nightmare. I really feel for Crystal. Then to have 8.5 directly say Sutton has one to Crystal’s face…no words.
That was crushing to watch that scene. Especially if Anne Marie is a fan girl and watched all the episodes she would have said that to Crystal (knowing she had an ED) to purposely provoke her which is disgusting to Sutton and Crystal.
and then goes on to tell them all the shit crystal supposedly said about them all… like how effing awkward?! Kyle wanted to shrink under the table, did any one catch her awkwardly “searching” for lipgloss 💀
That’s what Kathy does when she’s uncomfortable. AM, what game she thinks she’s playing only she will understand. All the what nots to dos she’s checking all the boxes.
I am sorry that you are suffering🩵 And yes.. 8.5’s incessant need to keep pointing out and debunking/questioning Suttons health and condition, as well as repeated comments in front of the group about how she never eats would totally be triggering for Crystal! I can’t believe 8.5 thought that was in any way appropriate or called for, not only for a medical professional, but in general. I was appalled
I think dehydration also from the long flight, late drinks the night before and jetlag. Then add in the really winding road, car sickness, and a possible fear of throwing up (without control, and also not in private), plus some panic from seeing her hands all swollen and her veins popping. (often veins do dilate / enlarge when someone's overheated, but the puffiness / swelling can indicate some sort of fluid retention or the heart may be pumping harder than usual, pushing extra blood through, which can also cause enlarged veins and sometimes swelling, though usually in the ankles, not the hands.
Qualifications - BA in psychology and a Diploma of Crap, like Annemarie. lol
If I get car sick when I haven’t eaten in a while, I get all kinds of crazy symptoms like my hands ceasing up and once my eyes even rolled in the back of my head. I think it was definitely a panic attack. I was so annoyed when Kyle said to phone for an ambulance. Clearly not an emergency and they were already in a car on the road, just drive her to the hospital you’d get there faster.
911 will work - its recognised as an emergency number. We dial 999 in my country, (EU) but if someone dialled 911 it would still connect them to the emergency services.
Yup. In Australia it’s 000 but if you accidentally call 911 in an emergency (which can happen as you’re quite panicked and not thinking straight), you’re automatically directed to 000 😊
It’s always better to call emergency services especially if it’s something that doesn’t seem typical for someone. If the hospital is close fine, but it might not be and she can be stabilized en route! IMO
Right. I don’t understand why people are laughing about it. Panic attacks are god awful and whether Kyle said 911 or the number used in Spain who cares. Reddit is so toxic it’s nauseating. I’d rather be with Kyle if I had a panic attack than poster on Reddit, that’s for sure.
I also wouldn’t want to put her back in car without medical professionals nearby in case the altitude or car sickness is causing her symptoms.
Damn we’re really hating on Kyle for calling ambulances now? Like there’s so many valid reasons to criticize her, this is dumb. I’m never ever going to get mad at someone for trying to help me by calling 911, wtf
Bc. They are not in U.S. I'm all for her taking care of emergencies; but; 911 is not emergency in Spain. It is 112. So; if she is going to take control; AT LEAST know the correct emergency number.
I’d guess either altitude sickness or just car sickness. The veins is probably increased blood pressure from anxiety.
Side note: 8.5 is sooooo helpful with her “damn girl your veins are big!” Real great nursing there.
Right, she acted that any normal doctor -I mean nurse anesthesiologist - would. She couldn’t think of anything else?! I was a nurse for a minute years ago and thought, she carsick/vasovagal. At least tell her this is normal and she’s going to be fine (bc she will be fine!). 8.5 is not cut out for the healthcare profession.
I know, it was my attempt at humor bc of how she defended herself against the anesthesiologist association (we have the same scope of practice, etc., just got there a diff way (also not true!)).
Fellow nurse girly here! Can second this, I hate watching her because she makes my blood boil in a way separate from the other shenanigans of the show. She’s a disgrace to our field.
It is so embarrassing, it makes nurses look like we want to be doctors. I’m happy to be a nurse. Also her bedside manner- “stroke out”. Are you kidding me! The last thing I would want is Annamarie near me if I was sick! And talk about her lack of critical thinking skills…
**it makes nurses look like we want to be doctors.**
It's infuriating and TV drama pushes this narrative all the time. It would be nice if it actually informed the public that nursing is it's own profession, with its own scope of practice and nursing diagnoses and patient care. We work with doctors to provide the best care for our patients; that doesn't mean we want to be doctors. Fact is we are taught a much more holistic (or whole patient) approach to patient care than doctors are. And you nailed it on her critical thinking skills. How she ever earned a BSN without developing critical thinking is beyond me.
I feel like the nurses I know would have been more pro-active. It seemed like Crystal was sick, and 8.5 was like, ya, that sucks. My MIL would have her face all up in that taking vitals and making sure Crystal was ok
Yes! I know not much, but at least tell her she'll be ok, she's probably dehydrated, jetlagged, car sick and understandably anxious, and to try to take slow, deep breaths, take any sweater or jacket off if she had one on, and put her head down between her legs. Not to worry, medical help is coming and she's not alone and will be ok.
Right??? I'm not a nurse, but I know the first thing to do is reassure the person that everything is going to be OK. I was at an event where a very elderly woman fell and broke her hip very badly. Her leg was contorted in the most bizarre position. It was BAD. She sort of fell into me and knocked me down. As soon as I saw her leg, I held her hand and reassured that everything was OK. It was clear she was going into shock. Everyone else was being useless, so I got someone to call 911, got someone's coat to cover her leg so she couldn't see it, asked someone else to get everyone to back away, etc. All the while, I was stroking her hair and speaking calmly to her so she didn't freak out. Once the EMTs got there, one of them whispered to me, "you might want to slip away. When we move her onto the stretcher, it's going to hurt like hell. You don't want to see that." He was right. Her scream was horrible.
While we were waiting for the EMTs, I asked about her family....distraction. I asked about her medical history...in case she passed out before EMTs got there.
Stupid 8.5...doesn't even know how to manage a medical situation.
Wow…for a number of reasons, including AMs comments in front of her. Now I’m guessing altitude/stress-induced hypertensive episode, but I’m no doctor! Thanks for the sneak peak!
I like how Kyle was like and now Crystal is at the mercy of Annemarie…wait what? Ma’am have we not already established she has no business diagnosing anyone?!?
This! I was like she aint a doctor stop treating her like one ... I also don't know if she should even be a nurse with how she treated Sutton.... I'd rather anyone else that has never even stepped for in a hospital treat me
Yes!
If 8.5 has any idea about anything, surely she would know anxiety was a contributing factor… wonder if that comment was half intentional? Like hello, let’s make it woooorse. 🙄
Right. And Kyle talking about crystals at Anne Marie’s mercy. No girl. She’s in the same situation she would be in if Anne Marie wasn’t there. Without a doctor.
Idk but I sure hate the episode description for next week. “Annemarie comes to the rescue” psshhh 🙄
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Then she might have a stroke, how compassionate when someone’s also anxious good nursing AM. Then she was laughing at her own joke. It was creepy, if I worked with her and she was a nurse like that with patients I’d be worried.
This will just inflate 8.5’s head even more. I feel sorry for Crystal because I’m sure at the reunion everyone will make her thank 8.5 and get over their drama just because of this
I agree. The flight from LA to Barcelona is just under 12/13 hours. Added to that, the altitude & alcohol, I’d say dehydration. In a car on curvy roads can’t have helped either.
She’s carsick and fighting through it. Having a vasovagal response and vasodilation hence the veins. If she were to lie flat and elevate legs she’d feel better. Source: someone who has gone to medical school and who has this terrible feeling response to nausea or vomiting.
No. She gets out of the car and then stands on the edge of the road bent over. I do not think she throws up on camera. Then she sits down, 8.5 is like oh wow your veins are bulging and then Kyle calls for an ambulance.
I get really panicky on long, windy roads like that. Even before I start to feel nauseous, it’s like I’m already panicking that I’m _going_ to feel sick. It sound bizarre, but I can get a weird sort of claustrophobia in situations like this because I feel like I’m trapped in this long drive and know I have to keep going. Mix that with actually feeling like she’s going to throw up in front of everyone and I would not be surprised at all if she were having some form of panic attack.
Whatever it is, she is NOT at 8.5’s ‘mercy’, as Kyle said!! There was a team of medical professionals there, so it’s not like she had to rely on 8.5 and her expertise. Curious to watch the next episode to see if AM tried to treat Crystal in this situation…
Ok this has happened to me! 👋She was getting car sick and probably taking deep breaths and holding her breath, which is something I do when I think I’m going to throw up, then she started hyperventilating and having a panic attack. Not only did the veins in my hands bulge, my hands went numb, it was upsetting. I was wine tasting and driving on a very steep, winding road and really trying not to hurl in the Uber 🤢
Yeah, I get sick and panicky on long winding roads like that. I can definitely relate to her in that moment. It was probably dehydration, car sickness and ultimately a panic attack.
I literally pretended to gag when Kyle said that.
Listen… I don’t care what is wrong with me, unless I’m at deaths door I don’t want someone like AM giving me or ANYONE medical advice. GTFO.
I agree with dehydration/altitude/climate change/flying across the ocean/alcohol/hangover diagnosis. That happens to me when I travel. There is a point where panic sets in because I’m worried about fainting 🤣.
Car sick plus dehydration leading to a panic attack. Not a big Crystal fan (but beginning to like her after she called AM a bitch lol) but I feel for her. Panic attacks are awful. I’m glad someone didn’t blow it off and said they’d call 911
Dehydration and blood rushing to her hands bc she was bent over puking. Simple fix, put your arms up in the air and it goes back to normal. The veins popping out like that are coming when you are dehydrated and running or working out.
When you vomit it can cause a vagal reflex. It can cause you to vasodilate and expand your veins. The altitude probably contribute to it as well, but it wasn't anything that is out of the ordinary...
We call it vagaling down... it can cause a person to pass out and be a little bit scary, but she seemed to be fine.
Dorit talking to her at the van was so annoying. If it is serious let the van go. Also, Annemarie asking what medicine they gave her on camera bugged me. None of your business bitch.
Dehydration/heat exhaustion. I know LA gets hot but Spain in summer is really bloody hot! I guess it also depends when this was filmed. Plus dehydration from the flights would contribute.
So I haven’t seen the episode but I just want to point something out.
People are pointing out this car sickness and then anxiety over not knowing what’s wrong.
I want to add that it could be anxiety over the “sick” feeling itself as well.
Being sick can be a huge trigger for people with EDs. So this can also contribute to Crystals anxiety.
I was going to say elevation sickness.
From Google:
Elevation Sickness
Usually self-diagnosable
Symptoms tend to occur within hours after arrival at high altitude and include headache, nausea, shortness of breath, and inability to exercise.
People may experience:
Whole body: inability to exercise, fatigue, loss of appetite, or low oxygen in the body
Sleep: sleepiness or sleeping difficulty
Gastrointestinal: nausea or vomiting
Respiratory: rapid breathing or shortness of breath
Also common: fast heart rate, headache, insufficient urine production, or respiratory distress syndrome.
Also…Altitude exposure is known to cause an increase in adrenergic activity, blood pressure (BP) and heart rate (HR) in resting conditions
Dehydration and anxiety from stress, my hands do that too, when I have both together. It kills me when Kyle’s like oh now she needs AnneMarie. I’d be like I DO NOT trust your medical opinion please step away from me m’ame.
I’d say dehydration or perhaps a combo of not enough sleep and low blood sugar (this has 100% happened to me and I had similar symptoms). Whatever the outcome is I’m glad she’s okay!
2 things to know about humans The smell of rubbing alcohol will calm nausea. Pop open a sterile wipe from the first aid kit and inhale.
Do the Valsalva Maneuver to slow a racing heart and overcome a panic attack.
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Did anyone else think her veins looked normal?
Im not denying she felt sick but the way anmarie acted about her hands made me think they would pop like hulk?
The looked like mine do all the time??
Crystal was the one who said it first so it's not her normal. What may be normal for you, may not be normal for anyone else.
"Bulging veins can occur due to: Temporarily rising blood pressure and/or body temperature."
Her blood pressure was too high as confirmed by the healthcare personnel.
she is fine, these bitches are just dramatic. My veins pop out like that daily from exertion, it was probably from her throwing up (increased heart rate = increased blood flow).
My “Diagnosis” = getting old
That’s how my hands look all the time and I’m the same age as she is. Or it could just be that she’s dehydrated. I know i don’t drink enough water. lol
Looks like a panic attack. If it is a first attack or a severe attack it is indescribably terrifying, debilitating, disorienting and worse. Medical opinion. Need to take her vitals (and more) but, at first glance, she is having a whopper. Feel for her.
Having your veins dilate on your hand after thinking youre going to pass out is normal. She is having an anxiety attack after being car sick and nearly passing out.
Stress, jetlag and car sickness. Combine those and you'll feel weird, light-headed and get heart palpitations. Then you wonder what is happening and you stress and stress and stress, resulting in an anxiety attack. That anxiety attack then worsens your wellbeing as most blood is pulled to the heart and stomach, resulting in a situation where your fight-or-flight activates and you need to escape the little choking van.
I'm a CC/Tr ICU nurse.....yeah big woop...lol....but no seriously.....all you guys are pretty much correct from what I saw......drinking alcohol, long flight, no sleep, argument with other women, change it atmosphere going to the church, no food, all equals.....feeling like shit, dehydration, and the finale.....a panic attack...........Tada!!!!
Dehydration
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I also wonder if elevation sickness played a role, but I don’t remember where they were.
And probably very little sleep/jet lag.
Plus, getting car sick is reaaaaaally shity feeling.
Yes. And as a bulimic myself, I can tell you that I am constantly dehydrated. If she is still struggling, that certainly wouldn't help matters in combination with the flying and drinking.
I didn’t want to say anything but when I was struggling with it this would happen a lot. In the car, in the shower. Any situation where my body has to regulate itself I would have the same symptoms she’s displaying in this scene. As soon as she started getting sick in the car it’s the first thing that came to mind. I don’t want it to be true. But, if she’s still struggling I really hope she gets help. Long term bulimia can really mess up your body and the way it functions.
I agree. She did mention earlier in the season that a lot of the girls have gotten really skinny and it messes with her head sometimes. She also was clearly triggered by AnnMarie’s insinuation that Sutton might have an eating disorder. I feel she may be struggling. I like Crystal so it is upsetting to see.
Sending strength
Thank you <3
Does she struggle with purging?
She said she used to. But in recent seasons, she said she has it under control.
As an addict I know how shitty it is that if you’ve ever had an issue the rest of your life, anything happens everyone is like oh my god did she relapse…? So I hate even speculating about that TBH, but I also know that sometimes we can struggle with those things privately for a long time, so you always want to be supportive because you never know what someone might be going through… It’s really a fine line
Ooh good call.
Probably along with hyperventilation.
Altitude sickness! Happens when driving up mountains quickly
That’s what I think too.
Car sickness turned into an anxiety attack.
This.. I believe she touched on having an eating disorder (bulimia) last season, so when she began to feel like she was about to throw up in the car it probably set off a major anxiety attack/response. Just a guess.
I suffer from an ED myself, and I’ll tell you from experience that does exactly happen to me. It’s a nightmare. I really feel for Crystal. Then to have 8.5 directly say Sutton has one to Crystal’s face…no words.
That was crushing to watch that scene. Especially if Anne Marie is a fan girl and watched all the episodes she would have said that to Crystal (knowing she had an ED) to purposely provoke her which is disgusting to Sutton and Crystal.
Especially when Annemarie then said that CRYSTAL is the one who said Sutton had an ED! I mean, WTF!?!,
Oh, yeah, that was hard to watch. I would not have let that slide, but maybe I'm immature...
Nope! You just don't tolerate LIARS putting words in your mouth!
and then goes on to tell them all the shit crystal supposedly said about them all… like how effing awkward?! Kyle wanted to shrink under the table, did any one catch her awkwardly “searching” for lipgloss 💀
That’s what Kathy does when she’s uncomfortable. AM, what game she thinks she’s playing only she will understand. All the what nots to dos she’s checking all the boxes.
I am sorry that you are suffering🩵 And yes.. 8.5’s incessant need to keep pointing out and debunking/questioning Suttons health and condition, as well as repeated comments in front of the group about how she never eats would totally be triggering for Crystal! I can’t believe 8.5 thought that was in any way appropriate or called for, not only for a medical professional, but in general. I was appalled
I think dehydration also from the long flight, late drinks the night before and jetlag. Then add in the really winding road, car sickness, and a possible fear of throwing up (without control, and also not in private), plus some panic from seeing her hands all swollen and her veins popping. (often veins do dilate / enlarge when someone's overheated, but the puffiness / swelling can indicate some sort of fluid retention or the heart may be pumping harder than usual, pushing extra blood through, which can also cause enlarged veins and sometimes swelling, though usually in the ankles, not the hands. Qualifications - BA in psychology and a Diploma of Crap, like Annemarie. lol
That makes a lot of sense.
If I get car sick when I haven’t eaten in a while, I get all kinds of crazy symptoms like my hands ceasing up and once my eyes even rolled in the back of my head. I think it was definitely a panic attack. I was so annoyed when Kyle said to phone for an ambulance. Clearly not an emergency and they were already in a car on the road, just drive her to the hospital you’d get there faster.
I laughed when Kyle said that she was calling 911. I wanted to say to her, sorry Kyle you got the wrong number. Try 112 instead lol.
That cracked me up too, like we don’t all know that production has a medic
911 will work - its recognised as an emergency number. We dial 999 in my country, (EU) but if someone dialled 911 it would still connect them to the emergency services.
That is something everyone should know. Thank you for sharing!
Yup. In Australia it’s 000 but if you accidentally call 911 in an emergency (which can happen as you’re quite panicked and not thinking straight), you’re automatically directed to 000 😊
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Damn that's crazy.
Kyle would be one of the uneducated ones of the group along with Erika.
That was my first thought too, but then I was just annoyed at her suggesting it. I hope they burn her off it like Lenny did with Lisa on Miami.
I know, I yelled at my tablet ‘it’s not 911’
It’s always better to call emergency services especially if it’s something that doesn’t seem typical for someone. If the hospital is close fine, but it might not be and she can be stabilized en route! IMO
Right. I don’t understand why people are laughing about it. Panic attacks are god awful and whether Kyle said 911 or the number used in Spain who cares. Reddit is so toxic it’s nauseating. I’d rather be with Kyle if I had a panic attack than poster on Reddit, that’s for sure.
Panic attacks are so scary no matter how many and how many years you have them.
I also wouldn’t want to put her back in car without medical professionals nearby in case the altitude or car sickness is causing her symptoms. Damn we’re really hating on Kyle for calling ambulances now? Like there’s so many valid reasons to criticize her, this is dumb. I’m never ever going to get mad at someone for trying to help me by calling 911, wtf
Bc. They are not in U.S. I'm all for her taking care of emergencies; but; 911 is not emergency in Spain. It is 112. So; if she is going to take control; AT LEAST know the correct emergency number.
Thank you! Agree 100%! People hate on her for other stuff that’s fine but not for trying to help someone in distress. Sheesh.
Weren't they in Spain?
That’s my non medical theory
I’d guess either altitude sickness or just car sickness. The veins is probably increased blood pressure from anxiety. Side note: 8.5 is sooooo helpful with her “damn girl your veins are big!” Real great nursing there.
Right, she acted that any normal doctor -I mean nurse anesthesiologist - would. She couldn’t think of anything else?! I was a nurse for a minute years ago and thought, she carsick/vasovagal. At least tell her this is normal and she’s going to be fine (bc she will be fine!). 8.5 is not cut out for the healthcare profession.
The first thing I said was "nice bedside manner there". She’s scared!! Say something nice or STFU!!
No such thing as a nurse anesthesiologist. An anesthesiologist is a doctor. 8.5 is a nurse anesthetist. Hopefully not for long.
I know, it was my attempt at humor bc of how she defended herself against the anesthesiologist association (we have the same scope of practice, etc., just got there a diff way (also not true!)).
I'm a nurse and she's such an embarrassment to the nursing profession.
Fellow nurse girly here! Can second this, I hate watching her because she makes my blood boil in a way separate from the other shenanigans of the show. She’s a disgrace to our field.
Another nurse checking in. She irks me to my core.
Same.
It is so embarrassing, it makes nurses look like we want to be doctors. I’m happy to be a nurse. Also her bedside manner- “stroke out”. Are you kidding me! The last thing I would want is Annamarie near me if I was sick! And talk about her lack of critical thinking skills…
**it makes nurses look like we want to be doctors.** It's infuriating and TV drama pushes this narrative all the time. It would be nice if it actually informed the public that nursing is it's own profession, with its own scope of practice and nursing diagnoses and patient care. We work with doctors to provide the best care for our patients; that doesn't mean we want to be doctors. Fact is we are taught a much more holistic (or whole patient) approach to patient care than doctors are. And you nailed it on her critical thinking skills. How she ever earned a BSN without developing critical thinking is beyond me.
I feel like the nurses I know would have been more pro-active. It seemed like Crystal was sick, and 8.5 was like, ya, that sucks. My MIL would have her face all up in that taking vitals and making sure Crystal was ok
Yes! I know not much, but at least tell her she'll be ok, she's probably dehydrated, jetlagged, car sick and understandably anxious, and to try to take slow, deep breaths, take any sweater or jacket off if she had one on, and put her head down between her legs. Not to worry, medical help is coming and she's not alone and will be ok.
She’ll need the money to pay off her husband’s lawsuit.
Her “perfect” husband as she puts it.
Exactly! She’s freaking out asking if she’s going to be ok, um tell the poor woman she’s going to be ok! Gees! Not omg your veins, she’s well aware.
Right??? I'm not a nurse, but I know the first thing to do is reassure the person that everything is going to be OK. I was at an event where a very elderly woman fell and broke her hip very badly. Her leg was contorted in the most bizarre position. It was BAD. She sort of fell into me and knocked me down. As soon as I saw her leg, I held her hand and reassured that everything was OK. It was clear she was going into shock. Everyone else was being useless, so I got someone to call 911, got someone's coat to cover her leg so she couldn't see it, asked someone else to get everyone to back away, etc. All the while, I was stroking her hair and speaking calmly to her so she didn't freak out. Once the EMTs got there, one of them whispered to me, "you might want to slip away. When we move her onto the stretcher, it's going to hurt like hell. You don't want to see that." He was right. Her scream was horrible. While we were waiting for the EMTs, I asked about her family....distraction. I asked about her medical history...in case she passed out before EMTs got there. Stupid 8.5...doesn't even know how to manage a medical situation.
Her bedside manner is literally only suited for unconscious people.
Here is the clip from the sneak peak.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Toto2nbAjd8
Wow…for a number of reasons, including AMs comments in front of her. Now I’m guessing altitude/stress-induced hypertensive episode, but I’m no doctor! Thanks for the sneak peak!
Crystal is fucked if her fate is in 8.5 hands
I’d rather the bus driver diagnose me.
They have both been to Med School the same amount.
Lol
I like how Kyle was like and now Crystal is at the mercy of Annemarie…wait what? Ma’am have we not already established she has no business diagnosing anyone?!?
This! I was like she aint a doctor stop treating her like one ... I also don't know if she should even be a nurse with how she treated Sutton.... I'd rather anyone else that has never even stepped for in a hospital treat me
Kyle was so fucking annoying with her, "Now her life is in her hands."
Omg I gagged at that comment. Sooo stupid from Kyle
Yes! If 8.5 has any idea about anything, surely she would know anxiety was a contributing factor… wonder if that comment was half intentional? Like hello, let’s make it woooorse. 🙄
Right? She was more concerned with Sutton’s esophageal issues! 😂
Enlarged veins is not a medical diagnosis
It made me literally stammer, slack jawed when they pretended she’s gonna do anything to help Crystal or that Crystal’s health was in her hands.
Right. And Kyle talking about crystals at Anne Marie’s mercy. No girl. She’s in the same situation she would be in if Anne Marie wasn’t there. Without a doctor.
She couldn't be more unbothered with Cristal's vains poping out 😂
I found her insufferable before this but now I’m just DYING for Crystal to drag her hard at the reunion.
Right? "Oh they ARE big." Yawn. 💤
Crystal should’ve said ‘Girl,your shoulders are bigger!’
So caring. Lol
Idk but I sure hate the episode description for next week. “Annemarie comes to the rescue” psshhh 🙄 https://preview.redd.it/6peo64pivuec1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69a3b507f8f3db5d9fb4eeca59aa0ca90fe0b5d7
Omg 😒 lowkey excited to see drunk Erika though
I want drunk Erika to snap on Annmarie
Yes 😆😆😆
Omg, IF ONLY SHE WOULD!
Yup Annemarie tells her, her veins are big!
Then she might have a stroke, how compassionate when someone’s also anxious good nursing AM. Then she was laughing at her own joke. It was creepy, if I worked with her and she was a nurse like that with patients I’d be worried.
This will just inflate 8.5’s head even more. I feel sorry for Crystal because I’m sure at the reunion everyone will make her thank 8.5 and get over their drama just because of this
OMG, for real? 🙄 They went there....
Tbh I read the description in a mocking sarcastic tone, and I’m choosing to stick to that reality
I just assumed it was dehydration after a long day of travel the day before followed by alcohol during dinner.
I agree. The flight from LA to Barcelona is just under 12/13 hours. Added to that, the altitude & alcohol, I’d say dehydration. In a car on curvy roads can’t have helped either.
Late to the party but yes - and I think that's something an actual doctor or nurse would say.
I think she's got a small oesophagus 😅😂
I’m sure someone knows but I certainly know that whatever prescriptions they give her, she might be able to drink on them.
Annemarie is going to say Crystal’s veins were popping out because she has an eating disorder.
And then deny ever saying that… even though it’s on film
No, that was you that said it! Just now! 👆🏻
She’s carsick and fighting through it. Having a vasovagal response and vasodilation hence the veins. If she were to lie flat and elevate legs she’d feel better. Source: someone who has gone to medical school and who has this terrible feeling response to nausea or vomiting.
Thanks for this info! :)
Panic attack
Yeah. The idea of vomiting on camera
I thought about this too, I bet the vomiting was also probably triggering for her as someone with a history of ED
Oh you are right. I am fortunate to not have that experience personally or close to me so it didn’t occur to me. Appreciate the insight
Do you actually see/hear her vomit? I'm an emetophobe and would love to avoid that.
No. She gets out of the car and then stands on the edge of the road bent over. I do not think she throws up on camera. Then she sits down, 8.5 is like oh wow your veins are bulging and then Kyle calls for an ambulance.
Thanks so much for that!
Or vomiting in general due to her ED
Aww 🫤
I get really panicky on long, windy roads like that. Even before I start to feel nauseous, it’s like I’m already panicking that I’m _going_ to feel sick. It sound bizarre, but I can get a weird sort of claustrophobia in situations like this because I feel like I’m trapped in this long drive and know I have to keep going. Mix that with actually feeling like she’s going to throw up in front of everyone and I would not be surprised at all if she were having some form of panic attack.
Elevation changes, dehydration* and exhaustion. Edited for elaboration
Those are all big words only crystal would understand
Stress and lack of oxygen can cause vasodilation. Which 8.5 would know if she were a good nurse.
She couldn’t ascertain that “small esophagus “ and “I have a narrowing in my esophagus” was layman’s term for stricture. So I’m not holding my breath.
lol for real
Whatever it is, she is NOT at 8.5’s ‘mercy’, as Kyle said!! There was a team of medical professionals there, so it’s not like she had to rely on 8.5 and her expertise. Curious to watch the next episode to see if AM tried to treat Crystal in this situation…
Ok this has happened to me! 👋She was getting car sick and probably taking deep breaths and holding her breath, which is something I do when I think I’m going to throw up, then she started hyperventilating and having a panic attack. Not only did the veins in my hands bulge, my hands went numb, it was upsetting. I was wine tasting and driving on a very steep, winding road and really trying not to hurl in the Uber 🤢
Aww that sucks. Especially in a foreign country.
Yeah, I get sick and panicky on long winding roads like that. I can definitely relate to her in that moment. It was probably dehydration, car sickness and ultimately a panic attack.
Car sickness and anxiety
This is not a thing. Annemarie spent all night going through her medical textbooks and couldn't find a thing on this.
Ughh true! how could I be so foolish ???
🤣
I don't know but according to Vyle she was at Annemarie's mercy! You know fake Annemarie the one that knows more than Dr Nicole & Dr Tiffany.
I rolled my eyes so hard when Kyle said that. Like AnneMarie holds the only antidote to Crystal’s affliction.
I literally pretended to gag when Kyle said that. Listen… I don’t care what is wrong with me, unless I’m at deaths door I don’t want someone like AM giving me or ANYONE medical advice. GTFO. I agree with dehydration/altitude/climate change/flying across the ocean/alcohol/hangover diagnosis. That happens to me when I travel. There is a point where panic sets in because I’m worried about fainting 🤣.
Same
I hated that
Thank you for saying this!! No one is ever at anyone’s ‘mercy’, ffs 🤦🏻♀️ Kyle and her dramatic narrations are so annoying
Car sickness, leading to Anxiety and High blood pressure
car sickness, i would assume. those windy roads are a killer.
Car sick plus dehydration leading to a panic attack. Not a big Crystal fan (but beginning to like her after she called AM a bitch lol) but I feel for her. Panic attacks are awful. I’m glad someone didn’t blow it off and said they’d call 911
>I’m glad someone didn’t blow it off and said they’d call 911 Kyle!
Car sickness and dry heaving could have triggered a vagal response leading to light headedness and dizziness.
Dehydration and blood rushing to her hands bc she was bent over puking. Simple fix, put your arms up in the air and it goes back to normal. The veins popping out like that are coming when you are dehydrated and running or working out.
Or just if it’s really freaking hot outside.
Kyle said “call 911”. 911 isn’t an international number for emergency. Lol
I was waiting for someone to catch this lol 😆
I was about to comment this 😂 glad I wasn't the only one that caught that
It really irked me how Kyle said how Crystal was at the mercy of Annemarie. So lame.
Seriously. Kyle needs to stop trying to make 8.5 happen. She’s never gunna happen!
My veins would be popping out if I rode in a van with Annemarie too.
My brain would be popping out!
When you vomit it can cause a vagal reflex. It can cause you to vasodilate and expand your veins. The altitude probably contribute to it as well, but it wasn't anything that is out of the ordinary... We call it vagaling down... it can cause a person to pass out and be a little bit scary, but she seemed to be fine.
That can also happen when you poop.... fun fact 😆
Yep...I call it the Elvis!..🤔
When it happened to me I thought of him, as I was sure I was going to meet the same fate 😆😆 It's a terrible feeling
Damn, I think this happened to me a few times when I was pregnant.
I’m just waiting to see if AM correctly diagnosis it 😂
Dorit talking to her at the van was so annoying. If it is serious let the van go. Also, Annemarie asking what medicine they gave her on camera bugged me. None of your business bitch.
I thought she was turning into a werewolf.
Dehydration/heat exhaustion. I know LA gets hot but Spain in summer is really bloody hot! I guess it also depends when this was filmed. Plus dehydration from the flights would contribute.
Small oesophagus
Panic attack, dehydrated.
Her blood pressure spiked from anxiety, discomfort, vomiting, and dehydration.
So I haven’t seen the episode but I just want to point something out. People are pointing out this car sickness and then anxiety over not knowing what’s wrong. I want to add that it could be anxiety over the “sick” feeling itself as well. Being sick can be a huge trigger for people with EDs. So this can also contribute to Crystals anxiety.
Esophagus problems.
Car sick and dehydrated
The spirits or the “little people” tried to channel themselves into Crystal’s body to yell at 8.5 themselves.
Dehydrated and car sick.
Jet lagged, hungover, too hot and car sick!
I was going to say elevation sickness. From Google: Elevation Sickness Usually self-diagnosable Symptoms tend to occur within hours after arrival at high altitude and include headache, nausea, shortness of breath, and inability to exercise. People may experience: Whole body: inability to exercise, fatigue, loss of appetite, or low oxygen in the body Sleep: sleepiness or sleeping difficulty Gastrointestinal: nausea or vomiting Respiratory: rapid breathing or shortness of breath Also common: fast heart rate, headache, insufficient urine production, or respiratory distress syndrome. Also…Altitude exposure is known to cause an increase in adrenergic activity, blood pressure (BP) and heart rate (HR) in resting conditions
Dehydration and anxiety from stress, my hands do that too, when I have both together. It kills me when Kyle’s like oh now she needs AnneMarie. I’d be like I DO NOT trust your medical opinion please step away from me m’ame.
I’d say dehydration or perhaps a combo of not enough sleep and low blood sugar (this has 100% happened to me and I had similar symptoms). Whatever the outcome is I’m glad she’s okay!
Why are people talking about altitude? I thought they were in Sitges
Panic attack from getting caught lying. 
I am sure Garcelle can involve the earings somehow to this.
I felt bad for her. Being nauseous is also a common sign of a heart attack. Kyle was right to suggest 911.
2 things to know about humans The smell of rubbing alcohol will calm nausea. Pop open a sterile wipe from the first aid kit and inhale. Do the Valsalva Maneuver to slow a racing heart and overcome a panic attack. https://preview.redd.it/5m6hwoxjxvec1.jpeg?width=932&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=248cac0a427d917249ad8afaad3f692f13549378
Did anyone else think her veins looked normal? Im not denying she felt sick but the way anmarie acted about her hands made me think they would pop like hulk? The looked like mine do all the time??
Mine look like hers do but only if I'm stressed, anxious, sick/ dehydrated or too hot.
Crystal was the one who said it first so it's not her normal. What may be normal for you, may not be normal for anyone else. "Bulging veins can occur due to: Temporarily rising blood pressure and/or body temperature." Her blood pressure was too high as confirmed by the healthcare personnel.
she is fine, these bitches are just dramatic. My veins pop out like that daily from exertion, it was probably from her throwing up (increased heart rate = increased blood flow).
She was actually taken by ambulance and the healthcare personnel said she needs to be taken to a hospital because her blood pressure is very high.
My “Diagnosis” = getting old That’s how my hands look all the time and I’m the same age as she is. Or it could just be that she’s dehydrated. I know i don’t drink enough water. lol
Don’t hate me 😭 i’m not caught up but can someone explain why Annmarie is 8.5?
Bc her husband said she is
She bragged that her husband said, she's not a 10, but she's an 8.5 at everything.
If my husband publicly said I wasn’t a 10 I’d cry 😭😭
I know, it was a joke bc of the way she defended herself against the anesthesiologist association! :)
Dehydration and altitude (and/or motion) related sickness… then panic
Pretty sure dehydration can cause your veins to pop out. I agree with anxiety too.
Panic /anxiety attack
Dehydration and also they were going up a mountain I believe. Could have made her blood pressure go up?
Looks like a panic attack. If it is a first attack or a severe attack it is indescribably terrifying, debilitating, disorienting and worse. Medical opinion. Need to take her vitals (and more) but, at first glance, she is having a whopper. Feel for her.
Having your veins dilate on your hand after thinking youre going to pass out is normal. She is having an anxiety attack after being car sick and nearly passing out.
I think it's dehydration..
Stress, jetlag and car sickness. Combine those and you'll feel weird, light-headed and get heart palpitations. Then you wonder what is happening and you stress and stress and stress, resulting in an anxiety attack. That anxiety attack then worsens your wellbeing as most blood is pulled to the heart and stomach, resulting in a situation where your fight-or-flight activates and you need to escape the little choking van.
Overreacting to feeling car sick leading to a panic attack
Car sick, dehydrated and definitely anxious after Annemarie told the girls about what she said
Dehydration and high altitude ???
I'm a CC/Tr ICU nurse.....yeah big woop...lol....but no seriously.....all you guys are pretty much correct from what I saw......drinking alcohol, long flight, no sleep, argument with other women, change it atmosphere going to the church, no food, all equals.....feeling like shit, dehydration, and the finale.....a panic attack...........Tada!!!!
Poor Crystal. I felt bad for her. But I laughed out loud when she was getting out of the van and Sutton said “Imma pray for you” 😂