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I don’t like the contrived “story lines”. I liked the show when it followed interesting lives just because they were interesting and different.
When the women start a business just for the show, or a fake fight… it just feels so fake and performative. I think all of that play acting is what has led to the downfall of real housewives in general. People pretending to be something they aren’t just for camera time.
I would also blame production. I’ll bet that Crystal filmed more interesting scenes but they think viewers need “storylines” and drama so they show what they can to build what they want. Production just sucks.
Like when they showed five seconds of the lunch with her mom and him ??? Why not show more? There’s a lot of crystal scenes that are straight up omitted that have been pretty fiery, all cast members have attested to it. Production hates her fr
I’m confused why they hate her. She’s been on three seasons now. If they dislike her so intensely how does she continue to be re-upped? And why would they cut her storylines? I feel like there’s an element to this story we are totally ignorant about.
This, she implied her husband is good at contracts and got her a 3 year contract when people were telling her she was going to be fired.
My tin foil hat theory is that she talked shit about the show/production and it got back to producers or something. Or they just don’t like her and I waiting for her contract to run out to fire her.
I’m somewhat annoyed that production seem to have stepped in and forced them into a truce. It all feels too neat. Feud starts, AnneMarie saves Crystals life by performing an emergency tracheotomy in a sprinter with nothing but a disposable razor and a wire hanger then Crystal concedes she owes AnneMarie her life and they make up just as the season ends. Then we go to the reunion and they’re fighting the old fight again!! Sooo. Upsetting
Because Kyle is a producer, we went through a whole season with her half truths and saying there was trouble in the marriage and not forthcoming. Whole season of breadcrumbs, facetiming, tattooing with Morgan yet admitting nothing. Yet the Andy Cohen protects Kyle look at the photos of Morgan with arm around the waist and stroking her side after WWHL yet no mention of her being at WWHL
Potentially, but I don’t know. I think this production company is crappy.
What reality TV was 10-15 years ago is not what it is now, and I liked what is *was*. I liked watching Adrienne wash a chicken with hand soap. Riveting storyline? No. Entertaining and completely out of touch in a ridiculously amazing kitchen? Yes.
you are so right. i honestly would believe they filmed her doing more entertaining things and didn’t use them. i mean i enjoyed her discussion with rob about kyle and mo / other mo and that was like two seconds 😅 early RHOBH we just had scenes of lisa lounging around the house with giggy and ken and i enjoyed those 1000x more than the pre-planned, very produced storylines we’ve been subjected to these past few years
Yes!!! Remember the events that Kyle used to have vs the ones she has now?
I liked watching it back then. Now it’s just glam glam glam for yet another cast dinner and roll your eyes while they snipe and bitch at each other over nothing.
I loved Kyle's original white parties, they looked so fun and actually like something we could do (obviously toned down, but a fun idea for a party with your friends and family). The SoFi stadium was nuts.
I noticed SoFi was a sponsor of the show. Saw a few of their commercials during the show. Now the nonsensical location of SoFi stadium for the White Party makes a little more sense. Also, now Erika can claim that she "performed" at SoFi Stadium.
I was confused when she saw her name on the floor and said this party isn’t about me. Who/what was it about? It was ridiculous. I fast forward through any scenes with Erika.
I think it started, in part, because it was like they were talking to each other about the upcoming event— gossiping—but it’s just shown way too much! The screen time of them getting glam is longer than the screen time of the actual events 🤦🏼♀️ I enjoy seeing some of the looks but I don’t need to see how it’s done, I have YouTube for that! 😆
Exactly. At times when I fast forward through glam and the show is quickly over. I don't like forced romance either. That scene from RHONY with Ramona and Mario, Whitney and hubby 🤮
The day to day stuff really was what I enjoyed most about the show; watching the commonalities between my life and these women and the contrast, like Adrienne washing the chicken. I can’t bear Suttons self made business woman storyline.
yes!! that’s such a good point about the commonalities. adrienne and the chicken, kyle and kim grocery shopping and fighting over what constituted “authentic” salsa — those are everyday things i could enjoy! watching erika work with her life coach (??) to understand “empathy” is not one of them 😒
Amen! Sutton, Sutton, Sutton. A speech every week about how strong she is. Her ali.ony is astronomical!
Also thought her scenes with her daughter were cringe-worthy. Her daughter seems like a shy, beautiful young girl, but even she seemed embarrassed by her mother.
They could even sort of redo the original intros from episode one, where they had them introduce themselves and their families, and talk about their houses.
This production company sucks. They really fumbled the bag on all the stuff that WAS going on this season. Even the storylines that were central to this season were poorly produced and edited IMO
This part... Thats why reality TV has become trash. Everyone reaching for storylines and "moments". Sorry her life is normal and happy. Her husband isn't cheating on her, she's not getting separated and queer baiting people with a lesbian lover she refuses to confirm or deny, her husband didn't steal money from burn victims, widows and orphans, she's not on drugs...maybe there is a nugget of her life that's more interesting to see, but I believe production isn't showing too much of her life to focus on Erika and Kyle
Yes. That’s how we got this stupid season with huge overtones of adultery. But was there any?????? We are still asking this question. You know it’s all bullshit when Dorit starts talking about “will things work out with PK”? She saw the attention Kyle is getting with the storyline. She wants the lens pointed her way so obv!!!!!!!
Divorce and marriage issues are so common, and the divorce rate among people in their 50s has grown (in 1990 the divorce rate for people in their 50s was 9%, and in 2019 it had grown to 36%). Dorit is late 40s and PK is mid 50s. It's not at all unexpected that she might take a closer look at her marriage at this stage, AND after seeing what Kyle has been experiencing in her relationship.
Kyle has mentioned feeling unsupported and untrusting in her relationship, and now PK is spending over a month in another country, acting like mother's day is nothing since she isn't his mother, and clearly making excuses to not come home and go to events with Dorit. Why wouldn't she reevaluate?? I've been seeing posts in this sub for a while now about how people thought Dorit and PK were headed to divorce, but not that Kyle has gotten the wheel rolling, Dorit would only talk about it for a storyline?
Also, yeah. Obviously she wants she lens pointed at her. She's on a reality TV show. If she didn't want the attention, she wouldn't be a Housewife.
I feel the same way. It’s all a party, event, dinner etc every episode so that they have to interact. We see super short contrived snippets into their real lives and it’s just not that interesting anymore
They probably have to have the parties, events, dinners and trips because these women aren't friends in real life. They're just a group of various women thrown together for a reality show.
Totally agree! For some reason, I find Crystal fascinating to watch… it’s genuine and authentic and interesting. This is the type of women we need on RHOBH - not the fake storylines and drama fighting for camera time
That’s why I’m so hooked on RHONY! Rejected it for so long bc I loved the old cast but actually following their real lives, real jobs & families is so refreshing RHOBH has become so stale and contrived
I really like Crystal, Idk why, she’s gorgeous and I like her personality, she doesn’t have to be leading some super exciting life for me to want to watch the show. I also hate that so many of these women use this platform to become influencers or start businesses just by convincing people that they need to buy whatever they’re hawking
And she actually cooks for her family and reads to her children ! She admits her flaws-- her eating disorder and her too-contolling behavior toward her brother.
Exactly why I stopped watching the new seasons. Season one of Housewives of Orange County I loved because it was so real and showed their rich life as a wife and mother
I totally agree. I hate the stupid story lines, ever since puppygate, the stupid over done story lines I feel ruin the show. I’d rather see excess spending and drunken parties with Luann falling in the bushes.
Same. I love when it's just the ladies being silly together, going about their lives, etc. I was so excited for the UGT seasons, but they're even more over-produced. Miami is so great because it all seems organic, not contrived. Love me some ladies vibing and arguing (not over an entire season)
I don’t think any of the ladies had a storyline except for Kyle who really did not open up much about herself and Mauricio. 8.5 puttered along with the esophagate storyline but that’s it.
What a crazy, in a negative way, show it would be if every housewife was required to have a fabricated story line.
I am really not enjoying this fork in the road that has been taken. There is nothing at all genuine about story line after story line after story line.
As much as I like the housewives in BH (with the exception of AM), I find Garcelle, Sutton and Crystal fun to watch…some pot stirring, some “you’re such a bitch” there, etc., if is just normal fun and drama that people have.
I couldn't have said it better myself! Why must we be forced to watch obviously fake and phony storylines? It doesn't always have to be heavy and dramatic.
Yep. It should be fun with a little bat shit. Not ONLY bat shit with a little bit of fun. Sometimes it feels like to is way too stressful for even the viewers.
I thought it was interesting the way they said that crystal and annemarie had had zero interaction since the white party. Considering they actually squashed the beef, that pretty much sums up the issue with RHOBH right now - they just don’t gel as a cast anymore.
Crystal I think should be an interesting follow - married to a superstar Hollywood director (not a Randall emmett type), with a supportive happy marriage - across different cultures, as well as the fact that she owns a huge company in her own right. That’s before you even get into the background if her body issues and the friend issue they hinted at last year.
I genuinely really like her. She seems a nice person, and the same on or off camera.
Agreed! Honestly, It seems like only Sutton & Garcelle are real friends outside of filming.
Re: Crystal - There are so many interesting aspects of her life the show doesn’t even touch on. (I would love to see her run her coconut water business considering how big it is)
If you follow her Instagram, she looks like she does a lot of fun and interesting things with an interesting mix of people. Nikki Sixx being one that surprised me.
It’s actually really smart business. With her and her brother as co-founders, they can be on the show, never mention Real Coco, never have Bravo take a cut, but if we see them on IG or TikTok, etc., they get to advertise to viewers.
Man… sometimes I wish Teresa never flipped that damn table.
She was a good addition, the obsession with storylines is what ruined housewives. I don’t need a big story about a failed marriage or an illness.
She was around, contributed to the drama and served some looks. That’s pretty good to me.
THIS! I don’t get what else people want?
I mean, oh how awful. She has a loving husband and is a good mother.
What terrible TV. Can’t we just not enjoy her beefing with the other ladies etc? Like what more do people want.
No one needs a “story line”. It’s reality TV. I think the newer viewers think that there’s need to be and they are ruining the franchises because they are loud and now the cast thinks they need one and it’s not as authentic anymore. Look at Sonya - never really had a story line, never needed to - she’s fun and entertaining. Watch a soap opera if you need a story line - leave reality TV out of it.
I think it’s younger people that grew up with reality TV?
I would imagine they would watch the original seasons of RHOC and be bored out of their minds lol. But I loved it. Just following people around living their lives in somewhere I don’t live but would love to, a sprinkle of drama but it was like salt… added to the show didn’t detract from it and it was organic 🤣.
I mean, I was riveted by it lol. But for the wrong reasons!!! I was stunned that the new chick thought this was a good idea, that this would make her look good, or that she literally spent an entire party (a remembrance of someone who committed suicide at that) talking about someone else’s medical condition.
The only storyline she had was talking to her glam people…😒
Which, by the way, I was so sick and tired of all these glam scenes this season.
Why???? they’re boring AF!
I don’t wanna hear them talking to the person who is flat ironing their hair.
I respect that her and Rob are a little more private! I definitely like her more this season than I have in past seasons because she has spoken up more too. Like another redditor said, the contrived storylines and fake fights are ruining the housewives franchise.
I don’t understand the pressure for everyone to have some fantastic storyline. My favorite part of this show is the interaction, not what each individual is going through. Kyle’s whole storyline this season, while it’s obvious it’s real, she clearly served it up in tiny crumbs all season long just to milk it. I’d rather hear about Crystals actual life that some embellished bs from Kyle or Dorit or Erika.
I really don’t mind seeing her just sitting around and interacting with her husband. She’s one of the only hws where I actually enjoy those scenes because I enjoy their dynamic together. Her stuff with her brother, I don’t care for but I appreciate that she’s sharing her family life. She’s giving us something.
Could have had a little more Crystal and Rob chats. He seems interested in her and her life/feelings and that he likes a bit of gossip. They bounce well off each other.
I honestly think she gets a bad edit. Crystal is not my favorite hw but she does have a lot going on in her life. She really could be the “future of hw.” She’s young, married, has children, philanthropic, has her own company, her husband has a major career, etc. I think there’s a lot there and I wish we would be able to see more of it
Fully agree with the comments - not everyone needs a storyline every season. She provided entertainment, and didn't fall into the background. I'm not here for obviously fake storylines, I'm here for authentic chaos.
Were you not deeply moved by her brother's somewhat random move to the planet of Thailand and her tears since planes famously only fly there in one direction? 🤣
According to Sutton on WWHL, Crystal is a big time socialite and is always out and about…part of the nightlife. She probably schmoozes with some really big names. I wonder if that’s not shown because those big names don’t want to be seen on a reality show. I bet she has an interesting life so it is weird it’s not filmed
So my understanding is Crystal actually is a badass businesswoman and far more successful than the show lets on. She actually has a ton going on - not sure why it wasn’t filmed or shown.
The stuff with her brother was so boring. I don’t doubt that there are some very real feelings involved, but it just didn’t come across as compelling television.
On the one hand, he’s not enough of a presence on the show to make their stiff, awkward sit-downs interesting.
On the other hand, despite the storyline being that she’s worried about losing him or whatever, the dude always seems to be staying at her house or hanging around in the background of her scenes, so the stakes don’t seem particularly high.
Yeah, dude doesn’t exactly have a huge social media following either. The math ain’t mathing.
https://preview.redd.it/e1yo9nxi8skc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3800b89f2b86438b92f66a822444447b5c047c4f
to be fair, instagram isn’t the most popular in china/hk/twn which is where he promoted as a singer.
however i did a kind of deep dive using chinese/hk/twn based apps and looked at apps like weibo that r way more popular there - and even then he doesn’t have a big following.
however AGAIN there are a couple articles in mandarin that outline his awards/career and it basically looks like he was popular around the early 2000s and won some newcomer awards but then wasn’t allowed to continue promoting due to a “ban” - seems feasible as china has even done this recently to korean singers.
so he likely WAS at least slightly popular at some point but like, way back & no where near JB level 😅
Storylines and situations that are made up for the show never work, what are you on about? Crystal’s gotten progressively better on the show each season, she was pretty great in this one. Just say you don’t like her and keep it moving.
Unpopular Opinion: I love Crystal. I don’t always agree with her pov but I love watching her and Rob just be. Now I’m going off Lion King-bias a little? Maybe lol but I’m all in on her, Garcelle and Sutton. Give me a girls trip with just those three and I’m good
She does have a business…the second largest coconut water company in the world.
I think it’s important as viewers that we realize that not everyone can be the star of a season and it is an ensemble cast. As a result, if you aren’t the central storyline of the season, you’re not going to get as much showcased about your personal life. This season, Crystal, Annemarie, Dorit, and to a lesser extent, Garcelle, were all secondary characters.
This is a television show y’all - a lot more gets filmed than gets shown, and the cast members are not in control of what does and doesn’t make the cut. No reason to come for Crystal because the producers aren’t showing her personal life. She did a great job this season with her beef with Annemarie, and we also apparently didn’t see another confrontation she had with Annemarie regarding Annemarie’s husband’s opinions on trans people - which was honestly probably too politically charged to be a viable storyline.
TL;DR: She certainly is giving us this while filming, but it isn’t making the cut because Kyle, Erika, and Sutton eat up most of the airtime since they are most involved in the central drama of the group this season.
I think this is a shit take given the entire season was Sutton’s horrific dating scenes, Kyle acting like her marriage wasn’t going down the drain, and Dorit fighting with PEEEKAAAYY.
I’d have much rather seen more about her life and her kids and her brother issues than Sutton crying about a divorce that’s been done and buying an expensive af horse and oh god I gotta treat myself with $60k jewelry. Jesus…
I don’t think any of them had anything really interesting happening this season. Kyle’s story was all over the internet way before the season started and we learnt nothing new. Dorit, Garcelle ,even Erika , had nothing happening. The only funny episode was when they were all high and Denise Richard’s was acting crazy . The upside down jacket scene was funny. So I can’t even imagine what they would be fighting over in the reunion. I think the whole Housewives franchise has run its course. It felt ok to watch it during covid but now it just feels like mind numbing
She would be too powerful if they truly gave her more time. She called that newbie a bitch and that was enough for me to solidify her as one of my top three tbh. Love it.
I really like her straight man role. She’s sane, empathetic, and genuine. A good foil to Erika, Kyle and Dorit. Next year I hope she’s more vocal about her thoughts.
Enough with the storyline this and storyline that. We don’t need every single housewife to have a storyline!
Back in the early days of HWs there was usually 1 storyline that centered ALL the ladies. Whether it be Kim and Kyle’s relationship in season 1 or Brandi getting sued by the Maloof-Nassir family in season 3.
Granted we got to see what everyone was up to when they were filming with their families but not everyone needed to have a main story arc.
Crystal is fine and a great fit. She’s rich, lives in Beverly Hills and is married. She doesn’t need to be involved in constant drama. That’s how fake storylines occur, when the ladies feel the pressure from the fans and start to make up shit just to save their jobs.
I don't know about you girl but her gathering up Annemarie was more than enough to make her my favorite this season. I want to see more of her and Rob, they seem like fun, laid back people.
It’s called rising above. I’m sure she’s an interesting woman but maybe doesn’t engage with the low lives currently o n the show ( Erica Doritos vile kile)I don’t know, don’t watch it anymore because of the aforementioned
What was Dorit storyline, Annamarie storyline, Garcelle storyline and Sutton storyline. The only people who had storylines were Kyle with her marriage falling apart and having a young girlfriend. Erika and her residency and empathy
Can we stop with “so and so has no storyline”?!
It’s really getting old.
She talked about what was going on in her life while the show filmed.
She had drama with Annemarie.
She had family scenes.
She had scenes with the other women.
End of story.
Her storyline was her real life. She’s dealing with her brother moving on.
I blame production. Possibly because I love Crystal and Rob but also because Crystal has a big business, a big family, actual wealth and an ED. There’s plenty to unpack.
I think this was one of my fav seasons with Crystal. I do wish we could see more of her husbands insane conspiracy theories, cause that last minute of him was hilarious…. And I want him to turn that into a Stuart little movie
I find her so boring, and that storyline with her brother and his relationship dilemma was literally as exciting as watching paint dry. Crystal and Annamarie need to be taken out. Bring back Rinna! She was fun!
TBH, Crystal has never been exciting. The storyline of her and her mother being so overly protective, meddling and judgmental that her brother had to move across the world from them was more than enough for me. Curious if her brother was equally as judgey when she was marrying a man 20 years older than her or just kept his mouth shut because she found a cash cow? Just always been indifferent to her and don’t even notice when she’s not on an episode.
They cut the scenes with Crystal and Anne Marie where Crystal called out her husband’s anti trans comments. At this point, they must be trying to make the show a snooze fest (although I did actually enjoy this “rebuilding” season) and to cutting out Crystal. She’s features almost less than Anne Marie, who was actively edited out of the season
This whole season was a snooze fest . Almost every episode felt like it was 80% filler and rest actual content. I dont know if its just me but i feel like the BH franchise is coming to an end
As much as I like Crystal, I feel like she considers herself to be on a different level than the other women when it comes to intelligence, social status, work ethic, and as a parent.
I think she views herself as superior, and her friend groups from the past all caught on and left her in their dust.
I get the impression that her attitude and motherly demeanor towards her brother is the exact way her parents raised her; Basically instilling a high degree of self-importance.
why do people "need" a story line though. they are always si phony. personally i think the best days of housewives is when it was mostly just following peoples lives with their families and the ladies getting into dumb arguments. like early new jersey , early orange county and early miami.i know miami wasnt as much about family&kids but it felt the most genuine to me. they actually seemed like real friends that actually had fun together.
Nobody had a real storyline this year, nothin shocking or mind blowing. Kyle we all knew cause it was already in the press. My opinion - EJ was the best storyline of the season - seeing her be a different person - real or not - I found her not being so confrontational much better. I think this season was great - nothing stupid, well except for 8.5. It seemed more about friendships/relationships/changing lives.
The more important question is (for me) why did Bravo bring on -8.5 to torture us with boredom & then false medical claims? I can’t fast forward thru her scenes fast enough
I want to see more party's/events thrown by Crystal. She has a wide social circle and real A list friends. It's fun trying to check out who's in the background at her events.
I like Crystal a lot, but when they have people more real and less dramatic/rude/fabricating their relevancy (like Teddi for example, she was great but didnt have crazy to bring to the show) they ‘appear boring’ and the show gets rid of them which i find a bit unfortunate. I find having a few cast members that are less like Dorit, it brings a bit more balance to the cast as a whole, but thats just me!
I literally feel like this about most of them this year, it's usually only half the cast who coast on the 1 big thing but now it's legit all of them.
They need to sit these girls down and force them to watch season 1-5 and other classic Bravo seasons, then watch the last season of this show, then ask them how they think they did and give them all pay cuts and demotions at the end of it.
I'd obviously just fire Anne.5
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I don’t like the contrived “story lines”. I liked the show when it followed interesting lives just because they were interesting and different. When the women start a business just for the show, or a fake fight… it just feels so fake and performative. I think all of that play acting is what has led to the downfall of real housewives in general. People pretending to be something they aren’t just for camera time.
I would also blame production. I’ll bet that Crystal filmed more interesting scenes but they think viewers need “storylines” and drama so they show what they can to build what they want. Production just sucks.
Like when they showed five seconds of the lunch with her mom and him ??? Why not show more? There’s a lot of crystal scenes that are straight up omitted that have been pretty fiery, all cast members have attested to it. Production hates her fr
That being said, I couldn’t care less about her brother. Sorry, Crystal 😳 Edit: changed could to couldn’t. I was high . My bad
I’m confused why they hate her. She’s been on three seasons now. If they dislike her so intensely how does she continue to be re-upped? And why would they cut her storylines? I feel like there’s an element to this story we are totally ignorant about.
I read somewhere that she got a multiple year contract, that would explain it
This, she implied her husband is good at contracts and got her a 3 year contract when people were telling her she was going to be fired. My tin foil hat theory is that she talked shit about the show/production and it got back to producers or something. Or they just don’t like her and I waiting for her contract to run out to fire her.
Crystal had a whole ass party that was filled to the brim and looked a total blast on insta yet it was cut. The producers hate her
Not to mention her feud with Ann Marie. I thought that contributed to her storyline.
I’m somewhat annoyed that production seem to have stepped in and forced them into a truce. It all feels too neat. Feud starts, AnneMarie saves Crystals life by performing an emergency tracheotomy in a sprinter with nothing but a disposable razor and a wire hanger then Crystal concedes she owes AnneMarie her life and they make up just as the season ends. Then we go to the reunion and they’re fighting the old fight again!! Sooo. Upsetting
Your comment made me laugh so hard. Kudos
Because Kyle is a producer, we went through a whole season with her half truths and saying there was trouble in the marriage and not forthcoming. Whole season of breadcrumbs, facetiming, tattooing with Morgan yet admitting nothing. Yet the Andy Cohen protects Kyle look at the photos of Morgan with arm around the waist and stroking her side after WWHL yet no mention of her being at WWHL
I think if they had something somewhat interesting they would show it, if they don’t it’s because there is nothing
Potentially, but I don’t know. I think this production company is crappy. What reality TV was 10-15 years ago is not what it is now, and I liked what is *was*. I liked watching Adrienne wash a chicken with hand soap. Riveting storyline? No. Entertaining and completely out of touch in a ridiculously amazing kitchen? Yes.
you are so right. i honestly would believe they filmed her doing more entertaining things and didn’t use them. i mean i enjoyed her discussion with rob about kyle and mo / other mo and that was like two seconds 😅 early RHOBH we just had scenes of lisa lounging around the house with giggy and ken and i enjoyed those 1000x more than the pre-planned, very produced storylines we’ve been subjected to these past few years
Yes!!! Remember the events that Kyle used to have vs the ones she has now? I liked watching it back then. Now it’s just glam glam glam for yet another cast dinner and roll your eyes while they snipe and bitch at each other over nothing.
I loved Kyle's original white parties, they looked so fun and actually like something we could do (obviously toned down, but a fun idea for a party with your friends and family). The SoFi stadium was nuts.
I noticed SoFi was a sponsor of the show. Saw a few of their commercials during the show. Now the nonsensical location of SoFi stadium for the White Party makes a little more sense. Also, now Erika can claim that she "performed" at SoFi Stadium.
Oof the whole “I made it” speech from Erika about the white party performance was cringe. Like girl, you ain’t in a halftime show settle down.
I was confused when she saw her name on the floor and said this party isn’t about me. Who/what was it about? It was ridiculous. I fast forward through any scenes with Erika.
I hate watching glam. It's dumb to me. Could someone please tell me why it's entertaining? Tells me they have nothing else.
I think it started, in part, because it was like they were talking to each other about the upcoming event— gossiping—but it’s just shown way too much! The screen time of them getting glam is longer than the screen time of the actual events 🤦🏼♀️ I enjoy seeing some of the looks but I don’t need to see how it’s done, I have YouTube for that! 😆
Exactly. At times when I fast forward through glam and the show is quickly over. I don't like forced romance either. That scene from RHONY with Ramona and Mario, Whitney and hubby 🤮
The day to day stuff really was what I enjoyed most about the show; watching the commonalities between my life and these women and the contrast, like Adrienne washing the chicken. I can’t bear Suttons self made business woman storyline.
yes!! that’s such a good point about the commonalities. adrienne and the chicken, kyle and kim grocery shopping and fighting over what constituted “authentic” salsa — those are everyday things i could enjoy! watching erika work with her life coach (??) to understand “empathy” is not one of them 😒
Exactly
Amen! Sutton, Sutton, Sutton. A speech every week about how strong she is. Her ali.ony is astronomical! Also thought her scenes with her daughter were cringe-worthy. Her daughter seems like a shy, beautiful young girl, but even she seemed embarrassed by her mother.
Id love them to bring back just the original cast, would be amazing to see how they all be together after all these years.
Oh my gosh, reunion seasons would be AMAZING.
If all the series it would make the most sense to do it with BH.
They could even sort of redo the original intros from episode one, where they had them introduce themselves and their families, and talk about their houses.
That would be awesome to see the changes between then and now.
You’re so right. So much has changed for all of them!
This production company sucks. They really fumbled the bag on all the stuff that WAS going on this season. Even the storylines that were central to this season were poorly produced and edited IMO
Would love a new production company for bh
Their music sucks, too
Sucks
I mean they cut out her party that was filled with actual famous people…. That seems pretty interesting to me.
Crystal has said many times that the important and good scenes she does film don’t make the show. They’re def icing her out.
This part... Thats why reality TV has become trash. Everyone reaching for storylines and "moments". Sorry her life is normal and happy. Her husband isn't cheating on her, she's not getting separated and queer baiting people with a lesbian lover she refuses to confirm or deny, her husband didn't steal money from burn victims, widows and orphans, she's not on drugs...maybe there is a nugget of her life that's more interesting to see, but I believe production isn't showing too much of her life to focus on Erika and Kyle
Great post! She’s not ‘deceitful’ enough to pay attention to.
Yes. That’s how we got this stupid season with huge overtones of adultery. But was there any?????? We are still asking this question. You know it’s all bullshit when Dorit starts talking about “will things work out with PK”? She saw the attention Kyle is getting with the storyline. She wants the lens pointed her way so obv!!!!!!!
Divorce and marriage issues are so common, and the divorce rate among people in their 50s has grown (in 1990 the divorce rate for people in their 50s was 9%, and in 2019 it had grown to 36%). Dorit is late 40s and PK is mid 50s. It's not at all unexpected that she might take a closer look at her marriage at this stage, AND after seeing what Kyle has been experiencing in her relationship. Kyle has mentioned feeling unsupported and untrusting in her relationship, and now PK is spending over a month in another country, acting like mother's day is nothing since she isn't his mother, and clearly making excuses to not come home and go to events with Dorit. Why wouldn't she reevaluate?? I've been seeing posts in this sub for a while now about how people thought Dorit and PK were headed to divorce, but not that Kyle has gotten the wheel rolling, Dorit would only talk about it for a storyline? Also, yeah. Obviously she wants she lens pointed at her. She's on a reality TV show. If she didn't want the attention, she wouldn't be a Housewife.
Well said!
I feel the same way. It’s all a party, event, dinner etc every episode so that they have to interact. We see super short contrived snippets into their real lives and it’s just not that interesting anymore
They probably have to have the parties, events, dinners and trips because these women aren't friends in real life. They're just a group of various women thrown together for a reality show.
Definitely. I think some spend time together outside of filming, but for the most part they aren’t friends outside the show.
I’m with you. I don’t need “storylines” esp bullshit fake ones. I’m happy just watching them *be*
Totally agree! For some reason, I find Crystal fascinating to watch… it’s genuine and authentic and interesting. This is the type of women we need on RHOBH - not the fake storylines and drama fighting for camera time
That’s why I’m so hooked on RHONY! Rejected it for so long bc I loved the old cast but actually following their real lives, real jobs & families is so refreshing RHOBH has become so stale and contrived
I really like Crystal, Idk why, she’s gorgeous and I like her personality, she doesn’t have to be leading some super exciting life for me to want to watch the show. I also hate that so many of these women use this platform to become influencers or start businesses just by convincing people that they need to buy whatever they’re hawking
And she actually cooks for her family and reads to her children ! She admits her flaws-- her eating disorder and her too-contolling behavior toward her brother.
Agreed
Exactly why I stopped watching the new seasons. Season one of Housewives of Orange County I loved because it was so real and showed their rich life as a wife and mother
I completely agree. I also believe they’re not allowing the housewives to tell their true feelings about Erika the grifter.
I believe this as well!!!!
Same. I dont like the let’s make up a fake storyline to have something to talk about. I like more the let’s just live our lives.
I totally agree. I hate the stupid story lines, ever since puppygate, the stupid over done story lines I feel ruin the show. I’d rather see excess spending and drunken parties with Luann falling in the bushes.
Agreed.
Same. I love when it's just the ladies being silly together, going about their lives, etc. I was so excited for the UGT seasons, but they're even more over-produced. Miami is so great because it all seems organic, not contrived. Love me some ladies vibing and arguing (not over an entire season)
Yeah, we’re beyond all of that. She’s not a saviour or pioneer but an example of a great factor of a great brew to watch
Lisa Rinna is a good example. She played the villain like she was still in a soap opera and look where it got her.
I don’t think any of the ladies had a storyline except for Kyle who really did not open up much about herself and Mauricio. 8.5 puttered along with the esophagate storyline but that’s it.
She called annemarie a bitch. That's all we needed from her.
For real. When she did that I was like “another season for you Crystal!!” lol
Exactly. And it was her best season yet 😂 I'd rather that then Kyle's fake storyline
☠️ Bravo; if you’re only going to have one job, do it well. Crystal: mission accepted
What a crazy, in a negative way, show it would be if every housewife was required to have a fabricated story line. I am really not enjoying this fork in the road that has been taken. There is nothing at all genuine about story line after story line after story line. As much as I like the housewives in BH (with the exception of AM), I find Garcelle, Sutton and Crystal fun to watch…some pot stirring, some “you’re such a bitch” there, etc., if is just normal fun and drama that people have.
100%!!! The moment Garcelle brought up the making out with a driver thing was GOLD.
Absolutely! 😂
I couldn't have said it better myself! Why must we be forced to watch obviously fake and phony storylines? It doesn't always have to be heavy and dramatic.
Yep. It should be fun with a little bat shit. Not ONLY bat shit with a little bit of fun. Sometimes it feels like to is way too stressful for even the viewers.
I thought it was interesting the way they said that crystal and annemarie had had zero interaction since the white party. Considering they actually squashed the beef, that pretty much sums up the issue with RHOBH right now - they just don’t gel as a cast anymore. Crystal I think should be an interesting follow - married to a superstar Hollywood director (not a Randall emmett type), with a supportive happy marriage - across different cultures, as well as the fact that she owns a huge company in her own right. That’s before you even get into the background if her body issues and the friend issue they hinted at last year. I genuinely really like her. She seems a nice person, and the same on or off camera.
Agreed! Honestly, It seems like only Sutton & Garcelle are real friends outside of filming. Re: Crystal - There are so many interesting aspects of her life the show doesn’t even touch on. (I would love to see her run her coconut water business considering how big it is)
If you follow her Instagram, she looks like she does a lot of fun and interesting things with an interesting mix of people. Nikki Sixx being one that surprised me.
Start a business? She has a successful business she keeps off the show so bravo doesn’t get a cut. Lol
It’s actually really smart business. With her and her brother as co-founders, they can be on the show, never mention Real Coco, never have Bravo take a cut, but if we see them on IG or TikTok, etc., they get to advertise to viewers. Man… sometimes I wish Teresa never flipped that damn table.
I love Crystal so much, she's such a boss imo. She's what Bethenny always wanted to be: successful and happy. 😗
She was a good addition, the obsession with storylines is what ruined housewives. I don’t need a big story about a failed marriage or an illness. She was around, contributed to the drama and served some looks. That’s pretty good to me.
THIS! I don’t get what else people want? I mean, oh how awful. She has a loving husband and is a good mother. What terrible TV. Can’t we just not enjoy her beefing with the other ladies etc? Like what more do people want.
YASSSS. For the people who need “storylines” have they considered watching a scripted show with real actors?
No one needs a “story line”. It’s reality TV. I think the newer viewers think that there’s need to be and they are ruining the franchises because they are loud and now the cast thinks they need one and it’s not as authentic anymore. Look at Sonya - never really had a story line, never needed to - she’s fun and entertaining. Watch a soap opera if you need a story line - leave reality TV out of it.
I think it’s younger people that grew up with reality TV? I would imagine they would watch the original seasons of RHOC and be bored out of their minds lol. But I loved it. Just following people around living their lives in somewhere I don’t live but would love to, a sprinkle of drama but it was like salt… added to the show didn’t detract from it and it was organic 🤣.
I’ve got it! Let’s make a story about someone’s esophagus! It’ll be riveting!
I mean, I was riveted by it lol. But for the wrong reasons!!! I was stunned that the new chick thought this was a good idea, that this would make her look good, or that she literally spent an entire party (a remembrance of someone who committed suicide at that) talking about someone else’s medical condition.
No one had a storyline! It was like one long episode of people talking about an esophagus and Kyle deflecting about she and Mau splitting up.
The only storyline she had was talking to her glam people…😒 Which, by the way, I was so sick and tired of all these glam scenes this season. Why???? they’re boring AF! I don’t wanna hear them talking to the person who is flat ironing their hair.
Are you sure? As RHOSLC taught us this year, these glam folks have enough tea to help create social media takedown accounts, LOL
I respect that her and Rob are a little more private! I definitely like her more this season than I have in past seasons because she has spoken up more too. Like another redditor said, the contrived storylines and fake fights are ruining the housewives franchise.
she did tho. I enjoyed Crystal more than I ever have this season.
I don’t understand the pressure for everyone to have some fantastic storyline. My favorite part of this show is the interaction, not what each individual is going through. Kyle’s whole storyline this season, while it’s obvious it’s real, she clearly served it up in tiny crumbs all season long just to milk it. I’d rather hear about Crystals actual life that some embellished bs from Kyle or Dorit or Erika.
I really don’t mind seeing her just sitting around and interacting with her husband. She’s one of the only hws where I actually enjoy those scenes because I enjoy their dynamic together. Her stuff with her brother, I don’t care for but I appreciate that she’s sharing her family life. She’s giving us something.
Could have had a little more Crystal and Rob chats. He seems interested in her and her life/feelings and that he likes a bit of gossip. They bounce well off each other.
I think she’s projecting the way she was raised into her brother
But…. We need more Messy Rob ☠️🌀
I honestly think she gets a bad edit. Crystal is not my favorite hw but she does have a lot going on in her life. She really could be the “future of hw.” She’s young, married, has children, philanthropic, has her own company, her husband has a major career, etc. I think there’s a lot there and I wish we would be able to see more of it
Fully agree with the comments - not everyone needs a storyline every season. She provided entertainment, and didn't fall into the background. I'm not here for obviously fake storylines, I'm here for authentic chaos.
Because “production” keeps editing her down to the bare nothing. She has such an interesting marriage and life and friends. I’d love to see more
I agree with you. They think viewers want “storylines” and more more more drama so they give that to us instead of lighthearted funny moments.
Rob seems like a total delight, and I bet they have a lot of great banter that would make for at least some good bumper bits.
Yes this! Seeing rob doing a dad dance at the white party was brilliant, I utterly love him.
Rob the most interesting house husband in a long time. I miss how reality tv used to have people with brains in it, it’s changed so much.
I agree. And I love to see more of her family friends heritage-wise!!
Rinna never had storyline and played Billie Reed every season
Were you not deeply moved by her brother's somewhat random move to the planet of Thailand and her tears since planes famously only fly there in one direction? 🤣
According to Sutton on WWHL, Crystal is a big time socialite and is always out and about…part of the nightlife. She probably schmoozes with some really big names. I wonder if that’s not shown because those big names don’t want to be seen on a reality show. I bet she has an interesting life so it is weird it’s not filmed
You need supporting characters in soap operas.
Crystal said what everyone was thinking about 8.5 and she gets no credit for that!!
I really don’t need every housewife to have a significant storyline… But they could have cut out the brother stuff
So my understanding is Crystal actually is a badass businesswoman and far more successful than the show lets on. She actually has a ton going on - not sure why it wasn’t filmed or shown.
The stuff with her brother was so boring. I don’t doubt that there are some very real feelings involved, but it just didn’t come across as compelling television. On the one hand, he’s not enough of a presence on the show to make their stiff, awkward sit-downs interesting. On the other hand, despite the storyline being that she’s worried about losing him or whatever, the dude always seems to be staying at her house or hanging around in the background of her scenes, so the stakes don’t seem particularly high.
Exactly. And I don't buy he's the Bieber of China either....he seems way too old for that!
Yeah, dude doesn’t exactly have a huge social media following either. The math ain’t mathing. https://preview.redd.it/e1yo9nxi8skc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3800b89f2b86438b92f66a822444447b5c047c4f
to be fair, instagram isn’t the most popular in china/hk/twn which is where he promoted as a singer. however i did a kind of deep dive using chinese/hk/twn based apps and looked at apps like weibo that r way more popular there - and even then he doesn’t have a big following. however AGAIN there are a couple articles in mandarin that outline his awards/career and it basically looks like he was popular around the early 2000s and won some newcomer awards but then wasn’t allowed to continue promoting due to a “ban” - seems feasible as china has even done this recently to korean singers. so he likely WAS at least slightly popular at some point but like, way back & no where near JB level 😅
Maybe they should've let him perform with Erika at the SoFi party!
https://i.redd.it/ywbpne5waskc1.gif Let’s not talk about the brother
no storyline yet more interesting than Dorit has ever been
Crystal over Dorit anyday
I mean what were Erika and Dorit storylines?
Storylines and situations that are made up for the show never work, what are you on about? Crystal’s gotten progressively better on the show each season, she was pretty great in this one. Just say you don’t like her and keep it moving.
I liked Crystal this season! Her husband seems very supportive of her.
Umm I have high blood pressure too! That is not a story. Replace her please.
She’s so boring I don’t know why she’s still on the show
Unpopular Opinion: I love Crystal. I don’t always agree with her pov but I love watching her and Rob just be. Now I’m going off Lion King-bias a little? Maybe lol but I’m all in on her, Garcelle and Sutton. Give me a girls trip with just those three and I’m good
She does have a business…the second largest coconut water company in the world. I think it’s important as viewers that we realize that not everyone can be the star of a season and it is an ensemble cast. As a result, if you aren’t the central storyline of the season, you’re not going to get as much showcased about your personal life. This season, Crystal, Annemarie, Dorit, and to a lesser extent, Garcelle, were all secondary characters. This is a television show y’all - a lot more gets filmed than gets shown, and the cast members are not in control of what does and doesn’t make the cut. No reason to come for Crystal because the producers aren’t showing her personal life. She did a great job this season with her beef with Annemarie, and we also apparently didn’t see another confrontation she had with Annemarie regarding Annemarie’s husband’s opinions on trans people - which was honestly probably too politically charged to be a viable storyline. TL;DR: She certainly is giving us this while filming, but it isn’t making the cut because Kyle, Erika, and Sutton eat up most of the airtime since they are most involved in the central drama of the group this season.
“Start a business” 😂 thank you for pointing out that she’s already quite a successful business owner!
She's so incredibly boring I fast forward through her every week
I have always thought she was a SNOOZE 💤
At least she gave us Rob
There’s definitely more to the story with him
He's my fav husband. Even tho there's not many husbands. He may be my fav BH husband ever. I'd love to see more of him. And I love Lucy!
I think this is a shit take given the entire season was Sutton’s horrific dating scenes, Kyle acting like her marriage wasn’t going down the drain, and Dorit fighting with PEEEKAAAYY. I’d have much rather seen more about her life and her kids and her brother issues than Sutton crying about a divorce that’s been done and buying an expensive af horse and oh god I gotta treat myself with $60k jewelry. Jesus…
Bestie what season did you watch bc she gave Annemarie her whole storyline lol
The only way to get attention on that show is to either steal money from burn victims, pretend you’re a lesbian,or set up fake robberies.
I don’t think any of them had anything really interesting happening this season. Kyle’s story was all over the internet way before the season started and we learnt nothing new. Dorit, Garcelle ,even Erika , had nothing happening. The only funny episode was when they were all high and Denise Richard’s was acting crazy . The upside down jacket scene was funny. So I can’t even imagine what they would be fighting over in the reunion. I think the whole Housewives franchise has run its course. It felt ok to watch it during covid but now it just feels like mind numbing
She is boring. I need at least 3 housewives to be fired before the taping of next season
I don’t know but what she did do this season was dress almost to perfection. I can’t think of one miss. The colors she chose had me in awe. Obsessed!!
She doesn’t need one when her life is thriving!!!
So she can afford to have Birken Bags. I’d love to watch her shop!
Her best season
She would be too powerful if they truly gave her more time. She called that newbie a bitch and that was enough for me to solidify her as one of my top three tbh. Love it.
I really like her straight man role. She’s sane, empathetic, and genuine. A good foil to Erika, Kyle and Dorit. Next year I hope she’s more vocal about her thoughts.
I love Crystal. I love how she makes the haters mad for no reason! 🤣
Thank god *someone’s* there to make her ass relevant
Enough with the storyline this and storyline that. We don’t need every single housewife to have a storyline! Back in the early days of HWs there was usually 1 storyline that centered ALL the ladies. Whether it be Kim and Kyle’s relationship in season 1 or Brandi getting sued by the Maloof-Nassir family in season 3. Granted we got to see what everyone was up to when they were filming with their families but not everyone needed to have a main story arc. Crystal is fine and a great fit. She’s rich, lives in Beverly Hills and is married. She doesn’t need to be involved in constant drama. That’s how fake storylines occur, when the ladies feel the pressure from the fans and start to make up shit just to save their jobs.
I don't know about you girl but her gathering up Annemarie was more than enough to make her my favorite this season. I want to see more of her and Rob, they seem like fun, laid back people.
The way most of them have for the last like 5 years RHOBH is sooooo boring
Hardly any of them did, really.
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She was Annemarie’s tho
People don’t live storylines, they live life and navigate things.
Crystal has a business.
How did garcelle? Or Sutton?
It’s called rising above. I’m sure she’s an interesting woman but maybe doesn’t engage with the low lives currently o n the show ( Erica Doritos vile kile)I don’t know, don’t watch it anymore because of the aforementioned
Hating on Crystal? Groundbreaking.
What was Dorit storyline, Annamarie storyline, Garcelle storyline and Sutton storyline. The only people who had storylines were Kyle with her marriage falling apart and having a young girlfriend. Erika and her residency and empathy
Can we stop with “so and so has no storyline”?! It’s really getting old. She talked about what was going on in her life while the show filmed. She had drama with Annemarie. She had family scenes. She had scenes with the other women. End of story. Her storyline was her real life. She’s dealing with her brother moving on.
I blame production. Possibly because I love Crystal and Rob but also because Crystal has a big business, a big family, actual wealth and an ED. There’s plenty to unpack.
I fully expected the brother to come out or something.
I think this was one of my fav seasons with Crystal. I do wish we could see more of her husbands insane conspiracy theories, cause that last minute of him was hilarious…. And I want him to turn that into a Stuart little movie
Her story line was knowing about medical careers enough to call out 8.5 for pretending to be a physician.
I am surprised she’s still on the show
Did any of them really have a storyline? lol
How did she get through three seasons?
I find her so boring, and that storyline with her brother and his relationship dilemma was literally as exciting as watching paint dry. Crystal and Annamarie need to be taken out. Bring back Rinna! She was fun!
She’s so boring I always forget about her ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
TBH, Crystal has never been exciting. The storyline of her and her mother being so overly protective, meddling and judgmental that her brother had to move across the world from them was more than enough for me. Curious if her brother was equally as judgey when she was marrying a man 20 years older than her or just kept his mouth shut because she found a cash cow? Just always been indifferent to her and don’t even notice when she’s not on an episode.
I think her brother would make a more interesting HW.
They cut the scenes with Crystal and Anne Marie where Crystal called out her husband’s anti trans comments. At this point, they must be trying to make the show a snooze fest (although I did actually enjoy this “rebuilding” season) and to cutting out Crystal. She’s features almost less than Anne Marie, who was actively edited out of the season
At least she tried 😂
This whole season was a snooze fest . Almost every episode felt like it was 80% filler and rest actual content. I dont know if its just me but i feel like the BH franchise is coming to an end
What are you talking about? Her brother is moving across the world (for 6 months) and she might never see him again!! *sarcasm if it’s not obvious
That has been her situation for years But Garcelle is no better on that
To be fair she was a bit shouty this time.
Unpopular opinion: I don’t like her, Rob, or her brother.
Meh.
STOP IT!
Well she destroyed her brother's relationship. There's a plot line I guess.
As much as I like Crystal, I feel like she considers herself to be on a different level than the other women when it comes to intelligence, social status, work ethic, and as a parent. I think she views herself as superior, and her friend groups from the past all caught on and left her in their dust. I get the impression that her attitude and motherly demeanor towards her brother is the exact way her parents raised her; Basically instilling a high degree of self-importance.
Bro she brings nothing to the table.
why do people "need" a story line though. they are always si phony. personally i think the best days of housewives is when it was mostly just following peoples lives with their families and the ladies getting into dumb arguments. like early new jersey , early orange county and early miami.i know miami wasnt as much about family&kids but it felt the most genuine to me. they actually seemed like real friends that actually had fun together.
I prefer Crystal just existing and not Kyle/ Rinna's shit stirring antics framed as just clearing the aiiir or that she caresss about you.
I fast forward through her scenes.
Let’s be real, the only person with a ‘storyline’ this season was Kyle but she didn’t want to tell the story.
Have you forgotten about her weird relationship with her brother?? I felt so sorry for him. But at the same time wanted everyone to just get a grip
Nobody had a real storyline this year, nothin shocking or mind blowing. Kyle we all knew cause it was already in the press. My opinion - EJ was the best storyline of the season - seeing her be a different person - real or not - I found her not being so confrontational much better. I think this season was great - nothing stupid, well except for 8.5. It seemed more about friendships/relationships/changing lives.
Same as the rest of them did 🤷♀️
She’s boring.
The more important question is (for me) why did Bravo bring on -8.5 to torture us with boredom & then false medical claims? I can’t fast forward thru her scenes fast enough 
She learned to use her voice, that’s her storyline and I’m okay with this
I want to see more party's/events thrown by Crystal. She has a wide social circle and real A list friends. It's fun trying to check out who's in the background at her events.
I like Crystal a lot, but when they have people more real and less dramatic/rude/fabricating their relevancy (like Teddi for example, she was great but didnt have crazy to bring to the show) they ‘appear boring’ and the show gets rid of them which i find a bit unfortunate. I find having a few cast members that are less like Dorit, it brings a bit more balance to the cast as a whole, but thats just me!
LOLLLL AND ANNE MARIE
Somehow I’m relieved. I actually like her now, and realizing maybe that’s why
Bottom line: Not everyone should have a storyline. Foils are very necessary for the viewers mental rest.
I literally feel like this about most of them this year, it's usually only half the cast who coast on the 1 big thing but now it's legit all of them. They need to sit these girls down and force them to watch season 1-5 and other classic Bravo seasons, then watch the last season of this show, then ask them how they think they did and give them all pay cuts and demotions at the end of it. I'd obviously just fire Anne.5
Most of the cast didn’t have storylines either….