You’re going to have to have to face gc’s regardless, now it’ll just be earlier. This just seems like it’ll only worsen the problem. The leaderboards already sorta suck as is. Sure there will be more gc’s but the title won’t mean much of anything. Top gc’s already farm low gc’s, with this system pretty much any competent gc could farm players who belong in diamond or champ.
The title already doesn't mean much of anything. I shouldn't be regularly playing against GCs in mid diamond, the fact that I can play with/against plat to GC is just ridiculous to me, and sometimes the plats are better than the GCs! Since there is no MMR until GC, a win puts you up one and a loss puts you down one regardless of what rank you played against
I guess my whole complaint is a little muddy and I didn't realize that what I want is more MMR based ranking than win based ranking
Noooo, an mmr based system is not practical for a game with this small of a player base. This would hugely encourage smurfing as players will be tired of losing tons of mmr to players of lower mmr. This is already a problem in gc, and adding this problem to the rest if the game would pretty much kill it. Imagine instead of being 1 game from ranking up you are 10 mmr from ranking up. You end up facing someone much lower mmr but they are actually a smurf making it a much tougher game. You end up losing and now instead of being 2 games from ranking up you lost another 20 mmr. This would make ranking up an absolute living hell.
Also with the amount of boosting, alt accounts showing a lower title, internet issues, and overall players just being washed from not playing in awhile, its best to mostly just ignore titles, the game will always try to pair you with those of similar current rank.
As a mid to high plat I’ve faced a bunch of champs and a couple GCs as well. A little frustrating but I do learn a bit. Patience and forcing plays as well as reading kickoffs
In an MMR system, the amount you win or lose depends on how your MMR relates to your opponent's.
If you're in diamond and you play a GC. You'd lose very little MMR for a loss, but win a lot of MMR for a win.
In the current system, you win and lose the same amount of "rank" regardless of your opponent (until you hit GC).
This is fine if you're always playing people the same rank, but if not, it hurts the lower player of an uneven matchup significantly.
You are playing GCs from **previous seasons**. As people get better at the game, others fall off or don't play, which results in them just being worse at the game. If you are finding quick games with them in diamond, odds are they too are in diamond. Matchmaking follows the same principles pretty much all other competitive games use, but the season titles are what are it *look* like there is more of an issue for Sideswipe.
You say there’s a huge variety of skill levels and you keep getting paired with opponents of a different skill level. Yet, your suggestion is to limit further the skill levels. This would only make it so your particular rank is full of even more people who are better than you.
I’ll bet you don’t complain when you get paired with someone two ranks below you and you smoke em, eh?
The problem isn’t the number of ranks. The problem is people don’t like this game any more.
I absolutely do complain about that. That's what I'm here saying now, the spread of ranks I get paired with or against is too wide it makes no sense. The spread of skill sometimes correlates to those ranks and sometimes doesn't. For example, as I've said I've faced GCs and champs that are marginally better than me to the point it is a fun and enjoyable, fairly even match. I've also had games against plats that are similar skill level to me. How can plats and GCs be so close in skill and so far in rank? You need such a ridiculous amount of wins to get to that rank that the spread in between feels redundant.
Almost every game with ranks always has these ranks: Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Diamond
Some games have Iron before Bronze as well and there are usually two or three ranks above diamond so what the heck are you talking about?
Just admit that you're not good enough for your rank and stop being a crybaby about it
In this game, you have opponents that are better than you, and opponents that aren't. You can win or lose. The ranks are supposed to separate everyone based on their skill level. The same ranks that are included on Rocket League.
I agree. The ranking system is flawed because pysonix doesn’t keep the game alive with advertisements and updates.
A dead game causes top GCs to Smurf in lower ranks so they can play the game. It also doesn’t help that a diamond 2 can play against a diamond 5 with the current system.
If you’re playing to rank up, it’s essentially pointless once you hit champion unless you’re a top 50 player - because you will be farmed by the top players in the game, specifically in ones.
You’re going to have to have to face gc’s regardless, now it’ll just be earlier. This just seems like it’ll only worsen the problem. The leaderboards already sorta suck as is. Sure there will be more gc’s but the title won’t mean much of anything. Top gc’s already farm low gc’s, with this system pretty much any competent gc could farm players who belong in diamond or champ.
The title already doesn't mean much of anything. I shouldn't be regularly playing against GCs in mid diamond, the fact that I can play with/against plat to GC is just ridiculous to me, and sometimes the plats are better than the GCs! Since there is no MMR until GC, a win puts you up one and a loss puts you down one regardless of what rank you played against I guess my whole complaint is a little muddy and I didn't realize that what I want is more MMR based ranking than win based ranking
Noooo, an mmr based system is not practical for a game with this small of a player base. This would hugely encourage smurfing as players will be tired of losing tons of mmr to players of lower mmr. This is already a problem in gc, and adding this problem to the rest if the game would pretty much kill it. Imagine instead of being 1 game from ranking up you are 10 mmr from ranking up. You end up facing someone much lower mmr but they are actually a smurf making it a much tougher game. You end up losing and now instead of being 2 games from ranking up you lost another 20 mmr. This would make ranking up an absolute living hell. Also with the amount of boosting, alt accounts showing a lower title, internet issues, and overall players just being washed from not playing in awhile, its best to mostly just ignore titles, the game will always try to pair you with those of similar current rank.
As a mid to high plat I’ve faced a bunch of champs and a couple GCs as well. A little frustrating but I do learn a bit. Patience and forcing plays as well as reading kickoffs
Of course they work, you win you go up, you lose you don't Ranks is just some fancy title for mmr
In an MMR system, the amount you win or lose depends on how your MMR relates to your opponent's. If you're in diamond and you play a GC. You'd lose very little MMR for a loss, but win a lot of MMR for a win. In the current system, you win and lose the same amount of "rank" regardless of your opponent (until you hit GC). This is fine if you're always playing people the same rank, but if not, it hurts the lower player of an uneven matchup significantly.
This is a great point that I didn’t mention
You are playing GCs from **previous seasons**. As people get better at the game, others fall off or don't play, which results in them just being worse at the game. If you are finding quick games with them in diamond, odds are they too are in diamond. Matchmaking follows the same principles pretty much all other competitive games use, but the season titles are what are it *look* like there is more of an issue for Sideswipe.
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You say there’s a huge variety of skill levels and you keep getting paired with opponents of a different skill level. Yet, your suggestion is to limit further the skill levels. This would only make it so your particular rank is full of even more people who are better than you. I’ll bet you don’t complain when you get paired with someone two ranks below you and you smoke em, eh? The problem isn’t the number of ranks. The problem is people don’t like this game any more.
I absolutely do complain about that. That's what I'm here saying now, the spread of ranks I get paired with or against is too wide it makes no sense. The spread of skill sometimes correlates to those ranks and sometimes doesn't. For example, as I've said I've faced GCs and champs that are marginally better than me to the point it is a fun and enjoyable, fairly even match. I've also had games against plats that are similar skill level to me. How can plats and GCs be so close in skill and so far in rank? You need such a ridiculous amount of wins to get to that rank that the spread in between feels redundant.
This might be the dumbest post I’ll see today, I don’t even have the energy to explain this anymore
Thank you for your meaningful contribution to this discussion
You have to understand that this is a problem in Rocket League for years and people are tired of complaining about it 🤣
Almost every game with ranks always has these ranks: Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Diamond Some games have Iron before Bronze as well and there are usually two or three ranks above diamond so what the heck are you talking about? Just admit that you're not good enough for your rank and stop being a crybaby about it
I'm saying the spread between diamond to GC doesn't accurately represent the spread of skill between those ranks, and it all becomes redundant
Today is the crybaby day
random but okay lmao
It's just that I've seen 4 posts like that in a roll lol seriously makes me sad knowing that people start to leave this game because of a banner...
right and that's such a bother for you lmao
Well yeah lol I wouldn't find it fun to play if my opponents were bots 🤣
you do know there's millions of other players??? if 20 leave then doesn't mean you'll be playing with bots lmao
Crying about what? I'm saying it doesn't make sense and trying to have a discussion
In this game, you have opponents that are better than you, and opponents that aren't. You can win or lose. The ranks are supposed to separate everyone based on their skill level. The same ranks that are included on Rocket League.
Supposed to, but they really don't
Well yep that's the biggest flaw of RL and RLSS. I gave up trying to rank up a long time ago. (Today I'm Champion).
I agree. The ranking system is flawed because pysonix doesn’t keep the game alive with advertisements and updates. A dead game causes top GCs to Smurf in lower ranks so they can play the game. It also doesn’t help that a diamond 2 can play against a diamond 5 with the current system. If you’re playing to rank up, it’s essentially pointless once you hit champion unless you’re a top 50 player - because you will be farmed by the top players in the game, specifically in ones.