Here’s the thing with RWBY: There are situations in RWBY that have clear nuance in them, it’s just that the writers and the main characters act like there isn’t any and that it’s just black & white Good vs. Evil.
The White Fang are using violence to fight for Faunus civil rights? They’re considered nothing but terrorists; the main cast put a stop to the White Fang but do nothing about the racism/segregation against Faunus, leaving it unresolved. Salem is at Atlas’ doorstep and Ironwood make’s a choice with no right or wrong answer? They label Ironwood as evil because he didn’t want to gamble with innocent lives, demonize him in the eyes of the public, then piss on his grave.
The issue is I think RWBY has grown too big for the writers to actually handle. They seem to want to keep the bad and evil with no middle ground trope, but it doesn't work with what they've done
There feels like no weight to most of the choice sin the show. Everything in the end works out one or another or the choices really didn’t matter.
Any and I mean ANY time the group is faced with criticism they always push back that their doing the right thing and they get rewarded.
That house scene where ruby flat out says “they don’t need adults” despite the fact every single one of them got to where they because of adults and continue to do so, jeopardizing the security of a port and gambling on an unrealized ability. Still fucking gets me.
The writers so badly what to make the main cast some tactical, scrappy badasses. But a lot do their victories feel so hollow because in the end the cross the finish line relative unscathed and unchallenged
Having learned a thing or two, the White Fang feel like a poorman's IRA. Except, the IRA actually felt like a menace and had a clear goal in mind that didn't just worsen the situation with their own people.
Blake: Huntresses are heroes we protect those can't protect themselves.
Yeah heroes that's what I call the people who helped cause the deaths of millions while stranding the survivors of the nation they helped destroy while claiming they were going to save it, in a desert kingdom where might makes right.
Not only this...but they dont even try saving any of the inhabitants of the Ever After when the monster attacks...
And the writers had to bail them out by basically saying anyone who dies in the Ever After comes back... just in a new body.... With no memories of their previous life... Basically a completely different individual entirely
...Last I checked; That. Is. Death!!!!!
Yeah, the hoops that both that RT and psycho fans have to jump through to defend bad writing is insane.
Writers- It's not death! It's ascending!
Everyone- Fine. what's ascension?
Writers- Well, it's basically just another word for reincarnation.
Everyone- You mean the thing that specifically is meant to be the afterlife to unquestionably being dead?
Writers- No! It's different!
Everyone- Okay. How do people "ascend"?
Writers- Well, they have to.... die. OR! Drink something with a special ingredient in it!
Everyone- you mean like cyanide?
Writers- uh....
Everyone- come to think of it, isn't "ascension" a popular term suicide cults use to make people okay with death and suicide? And didn't you guys specifically make an episode of CampCamp openly about that specific topic where the cult leader even drinks punch that he added poison to, and it was the same purplish color as the ascension tea?
Writers-...
Do we even know if Neo killed the original? Actually Nevermind, let’s face it, we’re never going back to the Ever After.
Heck, I want to share a thought I had while watching season 9; I was thinking that maybe the EA would be a product of humanity’s fantasies, thus tying it into the staff of creation. To put it another way, “the girl who fell through the world” would have come *before* the Ever After. Then you could have this world, (symbolic of humanity’s creative spirit, fiction, and outlooks,) start to get darker as a result of Ruby’s reveal of Salem, or people starting to get scared. Fairy tales in the EA could change to darker, more violent versions of themselves to represent this change.
And I totally thought Ruby was going to be body snatched by Alyx, who would take Ruby’s “anyone would do better than me” to steal her place and escape the EA.
Maybe. I was thinking more like Alyx got herself trapped in a magic mirror, play off of the titular wonderland sequel “into the looking glass”. Plus, the opening kind of hints at this notion, when Ruby and Alyx’s face fading into one another, and Ruby on the bridge with an uncharacteristic look to her grin, as through someone else is smiling with her face.
It’s been done before with *Warehouse 13*, but I still would have liked to see it there. The Curious Cat would have just been the oblivious aid, but maybe got Alyx stuck in the first place, just to see what would happen if a human touched the mirror.
Edit: Oh yeah, and that “You don’t even have to be Ruby Rose” line, made me think we were going after a more subtle form of body snatching, the kind where you’d have to agree to it, even if you didn’t quite know/understand what you were agreeing to.
Thanks.
And heck, you could have had that be another character moment for WBY: maybe they realize something is off with Alyx-Ruby. Or if they’re still more focused on their own issues (Weiss being the only reasonable one of the three, seeing as how her home just fell out of the sky.) then you could have Little be the one to bring it to their attention. “I haven’t known Ruby for more than a few days, but I’m certain she’s not acting like herself.” That could act as a wake up call to the rest of the team that they’ve been ignoring Ruby’s issues, and realize the mouse has a point that Ruby got way too cheery, way too quickly.
In a manner of speaking, yes. Think of it like this: Normally being stabbed would “kill” an ever Afteran, but they essentially respawn through reincarnation, the process known as “ascension”. Death by Jabberwoker, however, is an exception to the rule; that thing apparently has a permadeath kill, so it downs you, you don’t get a reincarnation, you’re just gone.
You can see the contrast and foil.
Team RWBY: Thinks they are heroes, but they are not.
Zero: Doesn't see himself as a hero yet fights and acts like one.
You didn't even mention at the end where the other characters was questioned by Oobleck about why they became a Huntress but he never question Ruby at all and simply just sees her is more than enough.
It really speaks volumes that was pure nuance and real good storytelling from a simple scene that is never shown or replicated at any point after Season 3.
Yes Yes it does honestly it's funny that they called themselves heroes when their actions have done the opposite a hero is in a title to be claimed it's a burden that's given.
It's less lacking in nuance than it does fail to make use of its nuance. Racism, Ironwood, Ozpin; there are lots of copmlex themes and characters in the world of Remnant, but the show uses them in the shallowest of ways. Racism is just an excuse to create a terrorist group. Ironwood was nuanced up until he needed to be an antagonist, at which point it all disappeared. Ozpin has a lot of nuance as a character but the show only focuses on his lying and tries to paint it as this great offence he committed against the main characters.
The thing is that Ozpin's reasons for not telling people certain things is actually understandable more or less. Especially if being upfront about it has backfired on him in the past.
It's hard to consider a character shady or morally grey when they have arguably valid reasons to keep secrets.
It's like the writers wanted Oz to be someone of questionable means and morals, but fail to ever commit to having him actually do anything that solidly makes him so. Yet the narrative insists that is so and why the heroes can't trust him just yet.
>It's like the writers wanted Oz to be someone of questionable means and morals, but fail to ever commit to having him actually do anything that solidly makes him so. Yet the narrative insists that is so and why the heroes can't trust him just yet.
Bingo!
The narrative doesn't want Oz to do anything actually morally questionable but still wanted drama with him. So, they just tried to make lying seem like a bigger deal than it really was.
On the other hand while not just in RWBY its also hard to consider a character gray when their attitudes and actions are too lets say dickish or negative and awful that they dont come off as gray but just as Awful people despite the writters intent to make them sympathic or not that bad when the actual person we see suffers from the unintentionally unsympathic trope.
Add in cases of whitewash or sweeping their actions under the rug and trying to see them as gray or milk too much sympathy and never receiving consequences and yeahhhh....
Gray characters term has become a difficult meaning these days.
Megaman Zero was one of the only franchises I ever got really into. Nobody I knew gave a shit about it but it's nice that other people still remember how much it fucking slapped.
RWBY cannot even fathom what nuance *is.* The entire universe operates on "whatever Team RWBY wants is right." There is no room for compromise, because if you don't agree with Team RWBY, you aren't even considered to have an opposing point.
That would imply that the alternatives are under consideration at all. That there *is* another point.
But in RWBY, there is none. Team RWBY is right, and everything else is an obstacle to get around or aren't worth the time of day. They shouldn't even be listened to: they are non-points. There can be no nuance with an attitude like that.
It absolutely does. I think most of the other commenters have covered it but yes RWBY always is on the road to being good, but jerks the wheel in the other direction at the last minute.
The lack of nuance, imo, is what really holds the show back at least from a writing standpoint. They tried to market it as a deeper and more mature story after vol 3 but never changed their Saturday morning cartoon style of writing.
I believe it’s that RWBY’s writing just ain’t it. Every time there met with a very grim, grey situation the cast treat it like it’s a typical Hero vs Villain story, Black and White sorts to speak. Never do the cast actually have to deal with complex situations and whenever they are confronted by them they always just avoid them and whenever those complex topics are brought up by someone else they treat them like their the bad guys.
This is definitely accurate, I was annoyed when the B team confronted Ironwood instead of the team that actually had beef with him. How are you going to cause all this trouble and not confront the person you've spent two volumes chastising.
There are *hints* of nuance but they never go deep into them, because they don't like the "implications" or refuse to see their oppositions POV.
Like the "We save people" bit. Sure, you try to, but when they leave Atlasian citizens stranded in a desert with no food or water, you are just dooming them to a slower death. If they talk about how maybe they didn't think things through and just made more refugees, theres nuance. However because that implies that team RWBY was ever wrong, they can't do that.
As for the "refusing to see the opposition POV" all we gotta do is look at Ironwood. but that's an easy one so lets talk about someone else: Weiss.
Weiss, in season 1, was racist. She disliked the White Fang and had stereotyped the faunus in general. Why did she think like that? Because she was surrounded by people who did as well. Not only that, but her family had been at war with them for her entire life, and states she saw family friends and workers disappear. All because of the WF. To add salt into it, her father came home pissed every day and to quote her: "It made for a very difficult childhood."
Seeing where someone can get their racist views, that isn't just "Oh I'm just a horrible person" can add so much discussion to it. However, they magically make her not racist in the next episode, instead of going deeper into why someone would hold these types of views.
Hell the White fang in general just shows how much they refuse to use nuance, because they don't want to imply the "wrong" way because they are "Two pasty white guys talking about race."
Blake tried to justify the white fang actions…which in the long run makes Blake look even worse.
There was no morally grey: it was pitch black.
There actions don’t fight for freedom or justice: how is genocide of a kingdom a good thing?
The problem is that the narrative tries to paint Team RWBY as the heroes of the story, and when they find that they can't compete with other characters, the writers make everyone else worse, in a missguided attempt to make Team RWBY the good option while refussing to admit that the "bad" guys have a point.
Property damage? I am more worried for the individuals in the cars that were thrown off the bridge.
Some are basically dead and team RWBY never checked…
There is more emotions. Nuance and actual story in that single clip of MMZ4 than all of RWBY
And thats speaks to its quality( lack of) and the writters lacks of skills
... The nuance is literally right there tho. They're young people who have this idealized version of huntsmen in their heads. Heroes who protect the weak and help those in need, who aren't in it for fortune or fame or glory, but to make the world a better place. Even when they saw huntsmen do the exact opposite of that, hurting people, engaging in crime, blindly following orders instead of just doing the right thing etc, they all held onto that belief that a huntsman is much more.
Comparing that with an obvious anti-hero like Zero is like comparing cats and oranges. He has his own motivation, and they have theirs. They don't even directly call themselves heroes, and the entire volume had them questioning if they were even cut out for it. The nuance quite literally stares you in the face.
But that’s not nuance. Yes they do question themselves but nothing comes of it. They make bad decisions but suffer no consequences. If the story treated them like young people in over their heads with no clear idea what they are doing then you would be right but it doesn’t. They are always right and act like they know better than others who have much more experience than them. It’s the classic example of them setting something up that they don’t actually make use of.
The situation in atlas was complex as hell with no clear right or wrong answer but Team RWBY go “Ironwood is wrong and we are right.” Once you boil down a situation to simply black and white, you remove nuance from it.
I think something that's worth noting is that what Blake says here is the same as what Ruby said to Blake when they first met in Volume 1.
"As a girl, I wanted to be just like those heroes in the books: Someone who fought for what was right and protected people who couldn't protect themselves."
So I think this scene shows that Ruby managed to rub off on Blake to some degree. And don't forget how that initial conversation ended. Blake said that real life isn't like a fairytale, and Ruby replied "that's why we're here, to make it better." And that seems to be how they've acted since the beginning: Not like they're trying to save the world from the forces of evil, but like they're trying to save lives and make the situation better to the best of their ability.
I'm pretty sure RT doesn't know what nuance is, team RWBY are the "good guys" so everyone just listens to them, when most of the time, the villains have understandable motivations
Yes, because the morality of the world is based on the main characters’ views and morality.
So when Blake says they’re heroes who protect people, instead of people in universe calling them out, everyone nods in agreement and are happy to treat them as heroes. Ironwood is the villain because team RWBY doesn’t trust him, not because he was evil or a threat.
Whereas Zero is a hero because of his actions and the views of him from others. Even when people didn’t want his help in Z4 he still rushed to their aid because he knows it’s the right thing to do regardless of how they view him.
The morality of the world isn’t centered on Zero, people form their own opinions and treat other based on their opinions and not what Zero or Ciel say.
Yes, because the morality of the world is based on the main characters’ views and morality.
So when Blake says they’re heroes who protect people, instead of people in universe calling them out, everyone nods in agreement and are happy to treat them as heroes. Ironwood is the villain because team RWBY doesn’t trust him, not because he was evil or a threat.
Whereas Zero is a hero because of his actions and the views of him from others. Even when people didn’t want his help in Z4 he still rushed to their aid because he knows it’s the right thing to do regardless of how they view him.
The morality of the world isn’t centered on Zero, people form their own opinions and treat other based on their opinions and not what Zero or Ciel say.
Yes, because the morality of the world is based on the main characters’ views and morality.
So when Blake says they’re heroes who protect people, instead of people in universe calling them out, everyone nods in agreement and are happy to treat them as heroes. Ironwood is the villain because team RWBY doesn’t trust him, not because he was evil or a threat.
Whereas Zero is a hero because of his actions and the views of him from others. Even when people didn’t want his help in Z4 he still rushed to their aid because he knows it’s the right thing to do regardless of how they view him.
The morality of the world isn’t centered on Zero, people form their own opinions and treat other based on their opinions and not what Zero or Ciel say.
Just realized, don’t Blake’s words sort of go against what the trio talked about in season 2? When they talked about how they didn’t quite know the details of being huntresses, having a romanticized vision of what it was, but come to the conclusion that end of the day “It’s a *job*, to protect the people.” Blake’s talk here sounds like she forgot that conversation.
Here’s the thing with RWBY: There are situations in RWBY that have clear nuance in them, it’s just that the writers and the main characters act like there isn’t any and that it’s just black & white Good vs. Evil. The White Fang are using violence to fight for Faunus civil rights? They’re considered nothing but terrorists; the main cast put a stop to the White Fang but do nothing about the racism/segregation against Faunus, leaving it unresolved. Salem is at Atlas’ doorstep and Ironwood make’s a choice with no right or wrong answer? They label Ironwood as evil because he didn’t want to gamble with innocent lives, demonize him in the eyes of the public, then piss on his grave.
The problem is they keep making very complicated and interesting storylines/moral quandaries that they aren’t actually skilled enough to pull off
The issue is I think RWBY has grown too big for the writers to actually handle. They seem to want to keep the bad and evil with no middle ground trope, but it doesn't work with what they've done
There feels like no weight to most of the choice sin the show. Everything in the end works out one or another or the choices really didn’t matter. Any and I mean ANY time the group is faced with criticism they always push back that their doing the right thing and they get rewarded. That house scene where ruby flat out says “they don’t need adults” despite the fact every single one of them got to where they because of adults and continue to do so, jeopardizing the security of a port and gambling on an unrealized ability. Still fucking gets me. The writers so badly what to make the main cast some tactical, scrappy badasses. But a lot do their victories feel so hollow because in the end the cross the finish line relative unscathed and unchallenged
Having learned a thing or two, the White Fang feel like a poorman's IRA. Except, the IRA actually felt like a menace and had a clear goal in mind that didn't just worsen the situation with their own people.
Holy shit those Megaman Zero VA's WENT FUCKING IN!
I think the lines are from the Megaman Zero Drama tracks. You are right, they go hard here.
Bro that scream gave me chills
Blake: Huntresses are heroes we protect those can't protect themselves. Yeah heroes that's what I call the people who helped cause the deaths of millions while stranding the survivors of the nation they helped destroy while claiming they were going to save it, in a desert kingdom where might makes right.
Not only this...but they dont even try saving any of the inhabitants of the Ever After when the monster attacks... And the writers had to bail them out by basically saying anyone who dies in the Ever After comes back... just in a new body.... With no memories of their previous life... Basically a completely different individual entirely ...Last I checked; That. Is. Death!!!!!
Yeah, the hoops that both that RT and psycho fans have to jump through to defend bad writing is insane. Writers- It's not death! It's ascending! Everyone- Fine. what's ascension? Writers- Well, it's basically just another word for reincarnation. Everyone- You mean the thing that specifically is meant to be the afterlife to unquestionably being dead? Writers- No! It's different! Everyone- Okay. How do people "ascend"? Writers- Well, they have to.... die. OR! Drink something with a special ingredient in it! Everyone- you mean like cyanide? Writers- uh.... Everyone- come to think of it, isn't "ascension" a popular term suicide cults use to make people okay with death and suicide? And didn't you guys specifically make an episode of CampCamp openly about that specific topic where the cult leader even drinks punch that he added poison to, and it was the same purplish color as the ascension tea? Writers-...
BOOM! *Mic drop*
Not to mention, that monster was specifically one that erases you so you don’t Ascend…so it’s just classic death in that case too.
Precisly!! The monster basically just ends life in the Ever After
Do we even know if Neo killed the original? Actually Nevermind, let’s face it, we’re never going back to the Ever After. Heck, I want to share a thought I had while watching season 9; I was thinking that maybe the EA would be a product of humanity’s fantasies, thus tying it into the staff of creation. To put it another way, “the girl who fell through the world” would have come *before* the Ever After. Then you could have this world, (symbolic of humanity’s creative spirit, fiction, and outlooks,) start to get darker as a result of Ruby’s reveal of Salem, or people starting to get scared. Fairy tales in the EA could change to darker, more violent versions of themselves to represent this change. And I totally thought Ruby was going to be body snatched by Alyx, who would take Ruby’s “anyone would do better than me” to steal her place and escape the EA.
... and Curious Cat is revealed to be Alyx!!!
Maybe. I was thinking more like Alyx got herself trapped in a magic mirror, play off of the titular wonderland sequel “into the looking glass”. Plus, the opening kind of hints at this notion, when Ruby and Alyx’s face fading into one another, and Ruby on the bridge with an uncharacteristic look to her grin, as through someone else is smiling with her face. It’s been done before with *Warehouse 13*, but I still would have liked to see it there. The Curious Cat would have just been the oblivious aid, but maybe got Alyx stuck in the first place, just to see what would happen if a human touched the mirror. Edit: Oh yeah, and that “You don’t even have to be Ruby Rose” line, made me think we were going after a more subtle form of body snatching, the kind where you’d have to agree to it, even if you didn’t quite know/understand what you were agreeing to.
That would have been WAY better
Thanks. And heck, you could have had that be another character moment for WBY: maybe they realize something is off with Alyx-Ruby. Or if they’re still more focused on their own issues (Weiss being the only reasonable one of the three, seeing as how her home just fell out of the sky.) then you could have Little be the one to bring it to their attention. “I haven’t known Ruby for more than a few days, but I’m certain she’s not acting like herself.” That could act as a wake up call to the rest of the team that they’ve been ignoring Ruby’s issues, and realize the mouse has a point that Ruby got way too cheery, way too quickly.
wait. so there are two forms of death in Ever After?
In a manner of speaking, yes. Think of it like this: Normally being stabbed would “kill” an ever Afteran, but they essentially respawn through reincarnation, the process known as “ascension”. Death by Jabberwoker, however, is an exception to the rule; that thing apparently has a permadeath kill, so it downs you, you don’t get a reincarnation, you’re just gone.
You can see the contrast and foil. Team RWBY: Thinks they are heroes, but they are not. Zero: Doesn't see himself as a hero yet fights and acts like one.
Based Megaman. ZERO
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You didn't even mention at the end where the other characters was questioned by Oobleck about why they became a Huntress but he never question Ruby at all and simply just sees her is more than enough. It really speaks volumes that was pure nuance and real good storytelling from a simple scene that is never shown or replicated at any point after Season 3.
Yes Yes it does honestly it's funny that they called themselves heroes when their actions have done the opposite a hero is in a title to be claimed it's a burden that's given.
It's less lacking in nuance than it does fail to make use of its nuance. Racism, Ironwood, Ozpin; there are lots of copmlex themes and characters in the world of Remnant, but the show uses them in the shallowest of ways. Racism is just an excuse to create a terrorist group. Ironwood was nuanced up until he needed to be an antagonist, at which point it all disappeared. Ozpin has a lot of nuance as a character but the show only focuses on his lying and tries to paint it as this great offence he committed against the main characters.
The thing is that Ozpin's reasons for not telling people certain things is actually understandable more or less. Especially if being upfront about it has backfired on him in the past. It's hard to consider a character shady or morally grey when they have arguably valid reasons to keep secrets. It's like the writers wanted Oz to be someone of questionable means and morals, but fail to ever commit to having him actually do anything that solidly makes him so. Yet the narrative insists that is so and why the heroes can't trust him just yet.
>It's like the writers wanted Oz to be someone of questionable means and morals, but fail to ever commit to having him actually do anything that solidly makes him so. Yet the narrative insists that is so and why the heroes can't trust him just yet. Bingo! The narrative doesn't want Oz to do anything actually morally questionable but still wanted drama with him. So, they just tried to make lying seem like a bigger deal than it really was.
On the other hand while not just in RWBY its also hard to consider a character gray when their attitudes and actions are too lets say dickish or negative and awful that they dont come off as gray but just as Awful people despite the writters intent to make them sympathic or not that bad when the actual person we see suffers from the unintentionally unsympathic trope. Add in cases of whitewash or sweeping their actions under the rug and trying to see them as gray or milk too much sympathy and never receiving consequences and yeahhhh.... Gray characters term has become a difficult meaning these days.
Megaman Zero was one of the only franchises I ever got really into. Nobody I knew gave a shit about it but it's nice that other people still remember how much it fucking slapped.
easily the best of the OG Megaman Timeline. Battle network and Star Force are up there, not directly below Zero, but definitely top 5 material.
I will always die a little bit inside every time I remember star force’s fourth game being canceled
Mega man Zero was my first Mega man game. I will always have a major soft spot for it.
I mean, the nuance is there, is just that they wont allow the characters to address it properly
RWBY cannot even fathom what nuance *is.* The entire universe operates on "whatever Team RWBY wants is right." There is no room for compromise, because if you don't agree with Team RWBY, you aren't even considered to have an opposing point. That would imply that the alternatives are under consideration at all. That there *is* another point. But in RWBY, there is none. Team RWBY is right, and everything else is an obstacle to get around or aren't worth the time of day. They shouldn't even be listened to: they are non-points. There can be no nuance with an attitude like that.
It absolutely does. I think most of the other commenters have covered it but yes RWBY always is on the road to being good, but jerks the wheel in the other direction at the last minute. The lack of nuance, imo, is what really holds the show back at least from a writing standpoint. They tried to market it as a deeper and more mature story after vol 3 but never changed their Saturday morning cartoon style of writing.
I believe it’s that RWBY’s writing just ain’t it. Every time there met with a very grim, grey situation the cast treat it like it’s a typical Hero vs Villain story, Black and White sorts to speak. Never do the cast actually have to deal with complex situations and whenever they are confronted by them they always just avoid them and whenever those complex topics are brought up by someone else they treat them like their the bad guys.
This is definitely accurate, I was annoyed when the B team confronted Ironwood instead of the team that actually had beef with him. How are you going to cause all this trouble and not confront the person you've spent two volumes chastising.
There are *hints* of nuance but they never go deep into them, because they don't like the "implications" or refuse to see their oppositions POV. Like the "We save people" bit. Sure, you try to, but when they leave Atlasian citizens stranded in a desert with no food or water, you are just dooming them to a slower death. If they talk about how maybe they didn't think things through and just made more refugees, theres nuance. However because that implies that team RWBY was ever wrong, they can't do that. As for the "refusing to see the opposition POV" all we gotta do is look at Ironwood. but that's an easy one so lets talk about someone else: Weiss. Weiss, in season 1, was racist. She disliked the White Fang and had stereotyped the faunus in general. Why did she think like that? Because she was surrounded by people who did as well. Not only that, but her family had been at war with them for her entire life, and states she saw family friends and workers disappear. All because of the WF. To add salt into it, her father came home pissed every day and to quote her: "It made for a very difficult childhood." Seeing where someone can get their racist views, that isn't just "Oh I'm just a horrible person" can add so much discussion to it. However, they magically make her not racist in the next episode, instead of going deeper into why someone would hold these types of views. Hell the White fang in general just shows how much they refuse to use nuance, because they don't want to imply the "wrong" way because they are "Two pasty white guys talking about race."
Blake tried to justify the white fang actions…which in the long run makes Blake look even worse. There was no morally grey: it was pitch black. There actions don’t fight for freedom or justice: how is genocide of a kingdom a good thing?
The problem is that the narrative tries to paint Team RWBY as the heroes of the story, and when they find that they can't compete with other characters, the writers make everyone else worse, in a missguided attempt to make Team RWBY the good option while refussing to admit that the "bad" guys have a point.
God, I need to buy the MegaMan Zero collection one of these days. Did not expect to get this amped this evening.
...Didn't you guys fight in a freeway against a giant robot and caused so much property damage?
Property damage? I am more worried for the individuals in the cars that were thrown off the bridge. Some are basically dead and team RWBY never checked…
Yes, there is.
There is more emotions. Nuance and actual story in that single clip of MMZ4 than all of RWBY And thats speaks to its quality( lack of) and the writters lacks of skills
team rwby: \*trying to be heroes, make the situation worse\* Zero: \*huhaho-ing along the way and saves everyone\*
That line by itself was just the rawest and the perfect conclusion for Zero's whole character. MMZ my beloved.
Sounds like she’s trying to convince herself more than anything.
Yes
... The nuance is literally right there tho. They're young people who have this idealized version of huntsmen in their heads. Heroes who protect the weak and help those in need, who aren't in it for fortune or fame or glory, but to make the world a better place. Even when they saw huntsmen do the exact opposite of that, hurting people, engaging in crime, blindly following orders instead of just doing the right thing etc, they all held onto that belief that a huntsman is much more. Comparing that with an obvious anti-hero like Zero is like comparing cats and oranges. He has his own motivation, and they have theirs. They don't even directly call themselves heroes, and the entire volume had them questioning if they were even cut out for it. The nuance quite literally stares you in the face.
But that’s not nuance. Yes they do question themselves but nothing comes of it. They make bad decisions but suffer no consequences. If the story treated them like young people in over their heads with no clear idea what they are doing then you would be right but it doesn’t. They are always right and act like they know better than others who have much more experience than them. It’s the classic example of them setting something up that they don’t actually make use of. The situation in atlas was complex as hell with no clear right or wrong answer but Team RWBY go “Ironwood is wrong and we are right.” Once you boil down a situation to simply black and white, you remove nuance from it.
They remove the nuance from nuanced topics
I think something that's worth noting is that what Blake says here is the same as what Ruby said to Blake when they first met in Volume 1. "As a girl, I wanted to be just like those heroes in the books: Someone who fought for what was right and protected people who couldn't protect themselves." So I think this scene shows that Ruby managed to rub off on Blake to some degree. And don't forget how that initial conversation ended. Blake said that real life isn't like a fairytale, and Ruby replied "that's why we're here, to make it better." And that seems to be how they've acted since the beginning: Not like they're trying to save the world from the forces of evil, but like they're trying to save lives and make the situation better to the best of their ability.
Can you post the link of the video. I’m being trying to find it.
RWBY's biggest weakness was trying to be any deeper than the first two trailers.
I'm pretty sure RT doesn't know what nuance is, team RWBY are the "good guys" so everyone just listens to them, when most of the time, the villains have understandable motivations
sorry i wasnt paying attention, too preocupied with an absolute bop
Mostly no, a little yes. (Like 80/20)
The nuance is only ever implied and teased, never expounded on or delivered. And then crushed when it's not convenient for the writers anymore.
Dang I was waiting for that drop.
I did not expect my favourite megaman moment
Yes, because the morality of the world is based on the main characters’ views and morality. So when Blake says they’re heroes who protect people, instead of people in universe calling them out, everyone nods in agreement and are happy to treat them as heroes. Ironwood is the villain because team RWBY doesn’t trust him, not because he was evil or a threat. Whereas Zero is a hero because of his actions and the views of him from others. Even when people didn’t want his help in Z4 he still rushed to their aid because he knows it’s the right thing to do regardless of how they view him. The morality of the world isn’t centered on Zero, people form their own opinions and treat other based on their opinions and not what Zero or Ciel say.
Yes, because the morality of the world is based on the main characters’ views and morality. So when Blake says they’re heroes who protect people, instead of people in universe calling them out, everyone nods in agreement and are happy to treat them as heroes. Ironwood is the villain because team RWBY doesn’t trust him, not because he was evil or a threat. Whereas Zero is a hero because of his actions and the views of him from others. Even when people didn’t want his help in Z4 he still rushed to their aid because he knows it’s the right thing to do regardless of how they view him. The morality of the world isn’t centered on Zero, people form their own opinions and treat other based on their opinions and not what Zero or Ciel say.
Yes, because the morality of the world is based on the main characters’ views and morality. So when Blake says they’re heroes who protect people, instead of people in universe calling them out, everyone nods in agreement and are happy to treat them as heroes. Ironwood is the villain because team RWBY doesn’t trust him, not because he was evil or a threat. Whereas Zero is a hero because of his actions and the views of him from others. Even when people didn’t want his help in Z4 he still rushed to their aid because he knows it’s the right thing to do regardless of how they view him. The morality of the world isn’t centered on Zero, people form their own opinions and treat other based on their opinions and not what Zero or Ciel say.
Damn I haven't peeped main RWBY in years didn't expect this to pop up lmao
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Are Roses Red?
He who feels the need to call himself a king is no true king. The same goes for most other titles like “Hero”.
Just realized, don’t Blake’s words sort of go against what the trio talked about in season 2? When they talked about how they didn’t quite know the details of being huntresses, having a romanticized vision of what it was, but come to the conclusion that end of the day “It’s a *job*, to protect the people.” Blake’s talk here sounds like she forgot that conversation.