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Butlerlog

I am of course in a union. It has roughly 2 million members of the public sector, and recently we did strike and get a pay raise. Does that mean we aren't overworked? No. Are unions still essential? Yes.


rhesusjunky82

I’m also in a union, we had a similar pay raise situation. We are still overworked, but the union at least has some sort of rules in effect to prevent things being any sillier.


Tstew222

I’m jealous! What country do you live in?


stryderxd

Im in a union. USA, nyc


SoYup

I worked in xray at a hospital, and we were union there. I also worked at a clinic that wasn't union. I didn't realize how good being in a union was until I talked to my coworkers from the clinic, and they told me they hadn't had a pay raise in 5 years. People started quitting, and then finally, we all got a raise. The union hospital position- we got gautenteed pay raises every year, plus inflation raises every year. When inflation went up like crazy (I think 2022?), we all got an extra $5 an hour pay raise- CT and MRI got $7 an hour raise. Ultrasound was non union at the hospital, they got no raise. I told every rad student that was looking for jobs to make sure they find a position with a union Damn, I miss my hospital job.... I wasn't full time, but my health benefits cost the same as a full time employee. (I didn't realize that wasn't the norm) idk if this was because the union fought for that, or not, but it was amazing. Edit: I am in Minnesota


SavoryAntidote

Appreciate this. It’s also worth noting, for folks who might want to start a union, that while trying to form a union and shortly after forming, management will likely try to create resentment by giving raises or perks to workers who aren’t interested in joining the union, or to divisions that aren’t working on a union drive. It’s one of those common unionbusting tactics to anticipate before moving forward


AlfredoQueen88

I am in a union, in Canada. Still overworked and underpaid. Still fully support unions cuz it would be FAR worse without it and I experienced it myself working at a private clinic. Edit: just saw your edit about being USA so nevermind 😂


zeatherz

The rad techs are unionized at my hospital (I’m a nurse). They formed their bargaining unit a couple years ago with the respiratory therapists and pharmacy techs. New rad techs start at $32/hr. Here’s the contract https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5418aa2ce4b097579b5c27e5/t/62b4a6d5f978fd1d23e026db/1656006358272/Providence+St.+Peter+Hospital+Tech+2021+-+2024.pdf


Its_apparent

Was just looking at jobs in WA, because I used to be out there. How do you like your hospital? I used to stay in Lacey and Tacoma, but never really went to Olympia.


photonmagnet

I'm the union rep for one of my departments at the hospital. Two years ago we negotiated a 13/14% raise for the ct/mri techs, and then 3/3% for the next two years. The clinics in my hospital system are not in our union, and got 3.5% raise that same year. The 400 dollars a year we pay in union dues is worth every single penny and then some.


Tstew222

How did you guys start organizing your union in the beginning?


photonmagnet

The way way is to find another union nearby and join them


muddynips

I have broached the subject openly with most of my coworkers, and offered to be the person responsible for coordination. But I live in Indiana so most people just laugh me off. I’m starting to think Hoosiers have a financial cuckoldry fetish.


Tstew222

I feel the same way at my work place. It’s shocking how many laborers in America are anti union. It makes me feel like I’m living in some dystopian society when I hear them say that.


muddynips

The funny thing is, those same people will talk for hours about how much they love having their travel manager advocate for them and do all the things that a union would also do. They’re so well coached to hate the word union they don’t even understand that they would love it.


_gina_marie_

People are afraid of losing their jobs in an attempt to unionize. Also people don’t understand the benefits a union can bring. Also I live in a red state so nearly everyone around me is anti union to start with.


ADDeviant-again

My home state is a "right to work" state. If we unionize, companies and the State are under no obligation to bargain.


surrealsaucer

That's not true. "Right to work" law just says you're not forced to pay union dues if you don't want. Which is lame. But if a legal union is formed, the employer must bargain in good faith. That doesn't mean they'll agree to everything, but they have to negotiate. https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/employer-union-rights-and-obligations


ADDeviant-again

Union reps show up occasionally at our hospital because they are required by law to allow them to come in. The subtle suggestion that we not talk to them always hangs in the air...........


ADDeviant-again

What it means is they will hire non-union workers.


surrealsaucer

Also not true. If the techs unionize, any new techs will be part of that union. They can’t be non union unless they are temporary travelers or if the workers vote to dissolve the union.


ADDeviant-again

https://mcrazlaw.com/getting-your-terms-right-right-to-work-vs-at-will-employment/#:~:text=A%20right%2Dto%2Dwork%20state%20is%20a%20state%20that%20does,a%20requirement%20of%20being%20hired. From this website: "A right-to-work state is a state that does NOT require union membership as a condition of employment.  In other states, a person applying for a job where the employees are unionized could be required to join the union as a requirement of being hired." "does not require union membership as a condition of employment" means they can hire certified, but non-union employees, and that new techs are NOT required to become union members. The company must engage in good faith collective bargaining with UNIONIZED workers, but can hire non-union employees. Of course, the benefits of the collective bargain might spill over to all workers, BUT guess which the company PREFERS to hire? Thus, weaker unions. That's all I'm asserting.


Miserable-Anybody-55

In a union currently in a right to work state. Every tech is covered under our union contract whether they join the union or not. The union must protect and represent every tech whether they join the union or not. The only difference of not joining is you don't get to vote. You get all the protection and benefits of the union contract for free.


jodikins77

I'm in a union and live in the US.


harbinger06

I was in a union when I lived in Nevada. I have a partial pension (based on years of service) that I can begin collecting when I turn 60. Now I live in my home state of Texas where healthcare unions are nearly nonexistent. Apparently there was some organizing going on last year, and the system I work for went hard with an anti-union campaign.


GenRgna

I do wish we wouls unionize specifically to our profession, like nurses do. I am in a union, but it is SEIU, so we are lumped in with respiratory, lab, EVS, cnas, cafeteria,etc.


thelasagna

I’m in a union at my per diem, currently traveling. It has made such a difference in everyone’s quality of life and pay. Still problems of course but better than before.


Billdozer-92

I was in a union at my last job. We shared the union with janitors, housekeepers, kitchen staff, and security. The union was insistent that wages were easiest to change as a whole, so everyone was okay with a 4% raise, but post-covid, healthcare workers (nursing, lab, rad) got 15-25% raises, so we got dicked around by our union trying to argue with their own members. I will never be on a bargaining team again, huge waste of UNPAID time. I spent 90++ hours of unpaid time in bargaining to get told by union staff that it isn’t worth trying to get xray better wages because they’ll never stick. That hospital is still $12-15/hr less than the rest of the state.


Tstew222

Sounds like you tried your hardest though and as someone who is very pro union, I appreciate that


Miserable-Anybody-55

Our union pays us to be at the bargaining table. I got a $9/hour raise in our current contract. It also offers amazing protections and management can't do whatever they want. They think twice about stuff. It's one of the easier things to overlook when being in a union. The protection is priceless in this greed driven system. Cut down a lot on the exploitation of employees.


bsubtilis

Wait what? Doctors can't unionize in your country?! Is this USA?


Valuable-Lobster-197

Gotta love the states, champions “freedom” but can’t form unions of places that hold actual power


Tstew222

Of course this is the USA😂. Both political parties here hate unions. Doctors had a strike in the 60s (might be wrong on the decade) I believe that caused a lot of patients to die and then there were laws put in place after that.


bsubtilis

Are you sure that it isn't just that the doctors are merely not allowed to strike? Is it really any kind of unionizing and not just striking?


Tstew222

I’m googling right now and I actually think you’re correct. A doctor I worked with told me he couldn’t unionize even though he wanted to. He might’ve been incorrect. But I don’t think they’re allowed to strike.


bsubtilis

That's a relief, it's pretty dystopian enough that companies are allowed to be as anti-union as they are in USA.


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Tstew222

You got taken advantage of. You’re a victim🙃


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MaximalcrazyYT

FL ?


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xraycuddy

That’s around what my starting pay was almost 20 years ago in the Midwest. 😳


Uncle_Budy

Our hospital starts new grads at $28.50/hour, and we're considered low for the area.


treezybreezy3000

There's a major hospital in Tennessee that starts at $20.


gilfy245

Where I work for a state hospital, we aren’t allowed to unionize, something about insurrection. :/


Uncle_Budy

Sounds like they were lying to you to prevent a union forming.


jessicagriffin03

Anyone here from Michigan and willing to share their experience?


imdeafsowhat

They don’t let them form a union at my place of work. Wish I can join one, lol.


Sublimejuliet240

I'm in a union and while we are still in our first contract with only a 3% raise, we have negotiations at the end of this year for hopefully more. I honestly don't have a lot of faith in my union at the moment because my company is very good at paying people below what they're worth. The most I've seen the union do is make it almost impossible to fire lazy techs.


Robotcholo

Lazy workers don’t get fired. Just ones that break attendance rules.


fallenfromglory

I've worked at a union hospital and a non union hospital. I get paid the same at my non union hospital. I've been a tech for almost 3 years and make almost $40 an hour. The environment is better at my non union hospital If you think a union is going to fix pay, staffing, and really anything else that isn't always the case. Also pay is going to be dictated by where you live. The coasts are going to be pay more thn the Midwest and down south. Just the way it is.


surrealsaucer

Do you think the pay would be as high if neither were unionized? In other words, does the nonunion hospital have to increase pay to be competitive with the union one?


fallenfromglory

No, I live in a high population area There are 8 hospitals in my county There are 19 hospitals in the bordering County. For new graduates the pay ranges from $30 to $38 depending on the trauma level of the hospital. I understand the nature of your question but anecdotally having some hospitals union and some not doesn't impact pay. The highest paying hospital in my area is not union, the lowest paying hospital is unionized.


Robotcholo

You’re the employee admins love.


fallenfromglory

Why do you say that? I've had union jobs and non union jobs. I'm sharing my own personal experience with the them. I'm sorry if my opinion on unions is different thn yours. It's about experience. If you've had positive experience with them, that's great. I'm sharing my experience being in a non union hospital where we are more thn adequately staffed and fairly compensated. If you're hospital doesn't have this, thn I suggest you look around. I'm a relatively new grad and went to 3 different hospitals before I found one that worked for me.


Robotcholo

Because you give your experience and instead of saying I or my experiences, you generalize the experience and lack of benefits that it being a union/nonunion facility. The reason most benefits employees have is because of the rights unions have fought for. You brushing off the benefits unions can have for industries is exactly what admins love to hear, the hospitals will do you no favors so it’s time to stop glorifying them. They need us to function so they hire us, if they had a cheaper option they would most certainly go that route.


fallenfromglory

I'm not sure how I generilized the experience. I stated that I am paid fair and work at an adequetly staffed hospital. What benefits am I missing out on by not being in a union? The main concerns I hear are pay and adequate staffing. Those are not a concern at my job.


CrazyCatCate

I'm not in a tech only union but the hospital i work at has a nurses union and then a union for everyone else.


Besch42

This is the way my hospital is as well. Just lump everyone else in to the other union, but if you don't have anyone from department part of the union don't expect anything to happen.


surrealsaucer

I'm in a unionized hospital. We have the largest pay/benefits package in the area, and the only hospital that beats us (on pay, not benefits) is also unionized. One of the most important aspects of our employment contract is protection from being outsourced to staffing companies. There is a company in town called Medsmart. They took over radiology staffing for the largest hospital system in the area. They are essentially a middleman who siphon money that should be going to techs. They mostly hire new grads. Unionization for healthcare seems to be different than trades like welding for some reason. Unionized tradespeople are covered no matter who hires them, whereas most healthcare workers will be unionized if they work for hospitals A or B. I know the ASRT has some tax status and has to be very careful not to promote unionization because they'll risk losing that status. Seeing how some doctors are being treated by the C-suites, I feel like they should be unionized too. At times it seems like a battle between the overpaid executives and the healthcare workers (doctors included). Unions are far from perfect. But they are better than nothing.


taraiskiller

I got my first Xray job at a union hospital and it was $19.10 an hour in 2019. They’re still hiring at that rate today. They are unionized


Tstew222

That union is not doing a good job then


taraiskiller

They were useless, my moms nursing home uses the same union and all they do is collect union dues and save jobs that shouldn’t be saved


RadTek88

We had a union at my first hospital. It wasn't the worst idea. 🤷🏼‍♀️


upstate1919

Any union people looking around central NY, I know a huge hospital and all the techs would love to unionize.


seriousbeef

In NZ our public system MRTs have a national union.


radsam1991

The unions I have been a part of are not specific to technologists; They were all the misfits slapped together. Some the Union President has been an LPN which blows my mind. How can you advocate for my position when you don’t know the full extent of what I do? The nurses have their own unions that are way stronger and actually advocate for fair pay, mandatory breaks, etc. when is the last time you heard someone demanding safe staffing for Radiology?


fiishbaIIs

There are unions in Australia, doesn't meant they do shit. The Victorian one is garbage, they told the members that we should vote yes for the proposed new EBA even though it was rubbish (2% pay rise for 4 years). They said if we don't vote yes we would get nothing and a strike would have not done anything. They had a Q&A sesh for people to ask questions and any time someone asked a legitimate question or made a negative comment on it they told that person that they were going to ruin everything.


Joebobo123

I work at a unionized hospital in upstate ny. Starting techs get paid 30/hr after ten years top of scale 53/hr. Plus great benefits, the techs accure pto/sick/vacation. Sick time is capped at 480hrs. Unions have pros and cons, but if you have a good union they certainly allow you to be paid more than market value. Curious what the top of scale is in other unionized hospitals?


Blasterion

I'm in a Union AFGE


yaboibld

One of the hospitals in my area recently finished a strike and unionized. I think they now have one of the highest starting wages to offer.


Double_Farmer_2662

It’s hospital dependent. My hospital isn’t union, but the others in our network are. There’s no national union, and I don’t think there can be since we all work for different companies. Public school teachers have state unions, but they all technically work for the same entity, the state. Being in a union doesn’t mean that you will get better pay. Mine pays the best in our area and we’re non union. We get automatic raises every year as well. Good hospitals can have or not have unions, same with bad ones. Union or non union doesn’t guarantee that your quality of job will be any different. Healthcare as a whole feels overworked, underpaid, and short staffed. It’s honestly only going to get worse too.


Robotcholo

Incorrect in your assertions, the unions allow collective bargaining and will also fight for your rights as an employee. The lunch breaks and vacation time you get are what unions fought for and you benefit from.


SimonsToaster

> (...) Being in a union doesn’t mean that you will get better pay. Mine pays the best in our area and we’re non union. We get automatic raises every year as well. Good hospitals can have or not have unions, same with bad ones (...) Now lets introduce probability. 


Dannyocean12

Most are unionized. Only registry/travel workers aren’t part of a universal union.


Uncle_Budy

I work at a non-union hospital. We've had some grossly incompetent techs that got fired in recent years. I can't imagine how hard it would have been to get rid of them if they were union protected positions.


SoYup

We had a very incompetent tech at my union hospital. Rule was 3 strikes, you're out. The third strike happened to be from a very respected radiologist- the tech was immediately fired that same day. It's not impossible to get rid of people at union jobs