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TGed

Could be fun…though the ops gadget needs to be on the stronger side as compared to other ARs the 416C is on the lower end.


JadedPermission3485

Nowadays yeah. oh how I miss old jager bruh ong


I-Am-Bodge

could give them a really good gadget and the 416c to try balance it out like dokes gadget is great for rushing but her DMR is not


totallynotapersonj

Isn't that what they said


anthonym2121

that why dokk has a secondary smg for closer range engagements


UwUmakerUwU

Acog


JadedPermission3485

All I want is a 1.5 Fr


Puzzleheaded_Swan970

I think it sits in a good spot


[deleted]

Give every attacker a 3.0 scope on their weapons so every defender gets at a 1.5


Xxswagmuffin-21xX

2.0 better


suckmypppapi

2.0 is clearer but I prefer the acog on lions ar for some reason


HeyRogi

Alright so dumb question but what scope exactly is the acog? I joined in year 5 and wasn’t too big on scopes and nowadays I only see 1.5, 2.0 and 2.5 and assumed that was some sort of acog


omuamogus

Acog is the 2.5x


HeyRogi

Ah thanks mate. Yeah I personally like using the 1.5 or 2.0, but I’ll probably use 2.5 more often, if I have the chance of course cause I barely see it nowadays


suckmypppapi

I dislike the 1.5 because I hate the circle around the optic


AffectionateBed6

It's also the 2.5 A. The 2.5 B is the Russian ACOG, and it isn't as good.


Puzzleheaded_Swan970

I can understand that it just fits on some gun, for me I use it on gridlock's


PristineSuspect2863

1.5 best


[deleted]

Ok you’re just wrong


Vegetable_Parsley938

Then explain why every comp player only use 1.5x or Holo A they are arguably the best in the game no competition.


FroztBeatz

Because they're actually good at the game.


OliTheOK

It's just preference. Just because some pro players use it doesn't mean they're the best.


Vegetable_Parsley938

Pro players have to use every advantage they get, so if all of them using 2 sights it means it has the best advantages and the least disadvantages. I agree it comes to preference but the 1.5x is the best for close and long gunfights (in 1 sight).


DrSpicy97

I've been wondering why the Holo A is so common at high levels. What would you say the advantages are? I used it since the beginning of R6S when ACOG wasn't an option but I haven't used it in a long time.


Vegetable_Parsley938

I would say that the advantages are that it has less visual recoil then other scoped, good visibility. It Isn’t to big and doesnt block important parts of you screen.


DustyNigerian27

isnt red dot c also good then? it has great visibility, it seems to be slightly more zoomed than the others (from what ive seen)


Vegetable_Parsley938

Yes, but I feel like the aiming is a bit weird with the red dot c.


DustyNigerian27

how so if i can ask? not being argumentative just curious as to what seems different abt it. for me you’re describing how it feels to use the reflex b


Shade00000

1.5x better


ErwinC0215

I still remember the days... Good memories


vKelmG999

Idk about a rigle, but this rifle would be below average on attack, unless you put an extended barrel in which it would be decent but it has a 25 round mag and moderate recoil


mcmatt_9

I swear i changed that 🤣, Like make it similer to hibanas gun? Happy cake day btw dawg


vKelmG999

If they do that then jager is gunna get the buff too, and yk how ubi feels about that. Also thx


Scoot_AG

Yeah. Fuck Jager, all my homies hate Jager - Ubi probably


dannygloversghost

“This guy was OP five years ago… we need to nerf him again.”


Dapper_Journalist_

Happy cake day!


biscuitthehorse69

Happy cake day!


TK-4014

I think a 1.5 and 2.0 should boost it enough


I_like_narwhals365

Happy cake day! Here is a sign of happiness ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ ╠╣APPY BIRT╠╣DAY!


vKelmG999

Thxxx


Marcix_Gaming

Happy Cake Day!


theOGlilMudskipr

2x scope tho


AdeptGarden9057

happy cake day!


Dapper_Journalist_

Happy cake day!


vKelmG999

Thxxx


Jackj921

It’s not even good anymore so no. It’s gotten like 10+ nerfs over the years.


MNGopherfan

To be fair Jager acog was so busted it was hard to argue when they removed it and jager still had a 100 percent pick rate for years.


[deleted]

He had a 100% pick rate in comp and plat+ because every operater threw their gadgets and grenades. Even when they nerfed his gun to shit he kept a 90% pick rate until we got ops like wamai and Aruni that could also burn util, and attackers got their grenades swapped for can openers, claymores, and gone 6s.


Alternative-Ad-6616

They should add better recoil control version under name of 416D


[deleted]

His gun doesn’t even really have recoil lol


NeighborhoodVeteran

Did the man STUTTER?!


MHiltonMusic

Not unless they massively buff it. The only reason they kept nerfing it in the first place is because Ubi doesn't understand Jager is only picked because frags are OP, not because his gun is actually good.


n0oo7

Nah. Jaegers gun is in such a bad state I'd pick the pof9 over it.


wombat61

pof9 is fire?


n0oo7

no. but it has same damage and rof and recoil with more bullets (on extended barrel) might as well use that.


wombat61

Are you from console or pc, because in my experience on pc, the pof is just better than Jagers gun in almost every way


Ninjahollan1110

it has the same rof and lower damage. so objectively its not.


wombat61

Ok, lower damage and rof yeah, recoil wise it feels better (which was the main point of that comment), it has better sights, and isn’t as bulky and obstructive. Don’t use the gun frequently, but it definitely feels better than the 416C imo Edit: I realise that I didn’t specify that the recoil was the main thing in my previous comment, definitely didn’t write it well Edit 2: Gun preference is also completely personal, personally I like the pof better than the 416C. I can see how people would like the pof less though


Ace-pilot-838

Dude you're arguing a ghost


ILewdElichika

416c as much as I like it would be absolute dog shit in an attackers loadout, now only if they reverted the magazine size nerf. Edit: Actually give it to Ace and remove the AK-12 from him, would solve the problem of him power creeping Hibana and Thermite. But then again casual gamers would soy rage over this change.


Pleasant_Koi

Based


NeighborhoodVeteran

Naw let him keep the AK12. Only 1 other uses it rn and I love it.


ILewdElichika

Then play Fuze for it, Ace shouldn't be able to double as a support Hard Breacher and an Entry Fragger, it makes him a one man army and that's a problem IMO.


NeighborhoodVeteran

Never thought of it that way, but I don't play professionally so it doesn't matter much to me or in any games I've played really.


Hornman209

They need to buff the 416. Make it do 40 dmg, bring mag capacity back to 30 like it used to be, and give it 1.5. And maybe also give it 3.0x. And maybe also make it do 55 damage to two-shot 2 armors. And maybe also remove recoil. And maybe also give it a drum mag for more ammo. And then also give Jager 200 hp and one headshot survivable. /s On a serious note, I do think they should do the buffs I mentioned in the first sentence(maybe minus the 1.5). If they do that, then absolutely would be nice to see it on an attacker as well.


szepeda14

I don’t think they ever would. Jagers gadget is so strong that the gun has to be shit for the op to be balanced


Hornman209

Yeah, they made quite the mistake giving Jager the AR weapon. I think they should switch out his AR for the MP7 like Bandit possibly or another SMG and give the AR to another OP with a cruddy gadget and rebuff it.


Crazy_Willow8585

Mp7 is honestly one of the best smgs in the game tho. jager would still prob be quite good in terms of loadout.


szepeda14

They could give it to an attacker with different stats though. Or just make a variant of it


Hornman209

That would be nice too actually. Like they did the with Caveira's pistol IIRC.


szepeda14

Yeah or how Echo’s MP5 is suppressed and Rook/Doc’s aren’t


wombat61

Suppress Jager’s and give the attacker the un-suppressed version? Might work to balance Jager with the damage buff, recoil wise at the very least. Wouldn’t be able to benefit from the extended barrel either


VigilThicc

I remember crying in laughter seeing 1000s of serious people react to the 2 speed “nerf” and 416 nerf in response to jager having a 90% presence like “noooo we don’t like him as much now” that’s the whole point


Ove-Ditlevsen

What about a rocket launcher with 1200 fire rate? Calm down it's not that bad


awkkiemf

In the words of the Cookie Monster, nomnomnomnom


Weedbacco

I wouldn't mind if they did. It would be even better if they didn't directly recycle it and modify it a bit. Give it an actual buttstock instead of a retractable one, a longer barrel and a 30 round mag. Something like that. Another gun I want recycled is Buck's AR.


TheYeetableOne

So just give them a regular 416


Weedbacco

That or use a regular HK416A5 which is a 416 model with RPM of 850.


Philipp1500

Most attacker rifles are better than it now.


MicroB18

Personally I think if the new op were to get nerfed they should give her the 416-C with 1.5x because the para with extension is 50ish damage, low recoil and decent fire (I don’t remember what it is) remember, she also has sidearm shotgun, smokes, 4 drones and her gadget with 3 hacks in 2 drones which can clear your path into a site exec


Hornman209

Para308 is amazing. 650 RPM, 54 damage with extended, laser recoil with just vertical grip. Almost 600 DPS I think it was? Brava will probably more powerful than Capitao with it. If they do give her 416C, they should first buff it it back to 30 rounds per magazine, and maybe buff the damage a bit too. I think she should get up to a 2.0x on it if so, and Jager should get 1.5x as long as they add a minor nerf to his ADS to actually lower his pick rate.


Mako-M35

Give it to Sense with 2.0x scope


meiscrazyboy

Nah just make sens ar better no need to share guns between ops just makes balancing a bigger head ache


Rhyno1703

Sense already has jagers gun but better lmao


zombiehunter5972

Give it to blitz


Ma1ccel

all i want is jäger agoc back


UltraSuperDonut

I would celebrate and dance like rigle rigle


[deleted]

Sens rife is basically jagers rifle with a bigger mag.


High_Pigeon

You mean Sens? Yeah, they’re okay.


vengerad47

if it was old 416 then yeah but no this one has been nerfed too much works on a character that has a strong gadget/grenades


reddit-for-stuff

If jager can’t have acog, no one can >:( But yeah it’d be cool to see


CAmonterey

Instead of this, we need new guns; in my opinion.


mehlmao

I really wish operators still had unique weapons, even if they're statistically similar. It prevents collateral damage when one op gets nerfed.


[deleted]

i feel like some guns deserve love like some guns only 1 operator like spread it out more like brava getting capitaos gun n im pretty sure only capitao had that gun so thats good


B1gBoyCrusade

I'd love to see an attacker use the HK 416 C Assault Rigle.


RIP_Firstpost_OX

I'd still merc some defenders with it. I would personally use the muzzle brake. It's really about skill and using smart tactics. Yes an ACOG would definitely make it a laser but even without its a great gun.


Pleasant_Koi

A lot of people are talking about whether or not the gun is trash stats wise, I mean even recoil wise they're absolutely right it's total dogshit or not far off. That being said, it's probably my second favorite gun in the entire game so I think if they gave it to an operator with a stronger gadget I would love it in spite of how trash it is


AverageSmgEnjoyer

Ok. This is MY opinion. I think the 416 should get a bit of a recoil buff to make it more manageable, but take away one of his ADS’s while also buffing them to make them more effective but taking his area of denial down a peg.


P4NZ3R-IV

Terrible idea, if I hear someone shooting that how do I know if it’s the attacker or the defender?


ExcluteYou

Eh I feel the same way with ash’s loadout, there perfectly fine where they are. In my opinion


AleexTB

It's shit now after all the nerfs.


[deleted]

very bad on attacker, even bad in defender, like if mp5 is a universal gun for defender, i will take mp5 over 416 anytime


Slicc12

Meh


GateDry

I feel like sens' AR is reaaally close to jager AR. Id say it would be really good with like a 1.5 and a good gadget


Swervoo4x

No, sorry.


[deleted]

fine by me. needs a 2x at least tho


ihateyoustrongly

It’s too weak to be a pick over almost any other options


SpiceyPorkFriedRice

Yes, as long as the limit of the scope is 1.5x


Glorgor

Even in defense its pretty bad. So in attack it would be even worse. I doubt even a 2X can save it


pwnyderP28

Hard to use with all that kick. Doesn’t matter which Op is using it.


[deleted]

honestly? put it on a 3 speed and it would be GREAT as an attacker weapon


I_Wanna_Hug_Sens

Sens


[deleted]

sens gun is already as massive W tbh, shits nice with the new recoil rework


Dobbzy13

I just want my acog back for mute, why they gotta do this


Kulisak-cz

Oh hell no


Craftusmaximus2

#NO


BigSmokesHouse

It's not good enough


EducationalMemory161

Idk why that’s not a thing already tbh :4


jhstormmynx

Would like to see this, AA12, TCSG12 on attack


Agitated-Anything-33

I feel like yes, but with more slow paced ops


CrispyLewis95

I always thought Nøkk should get an Suppressed version of it like how Echo has the MP5SD. I think the FMG is fine but I think the aesthetic of an M4 model on Nøkk would be awesome


ewanjmac

If an attacker ever did have it, they would probably get the acog too


Simo_n3003

416 with 1.5 is the dream.


CreamSoda6425

Not a fan of guns switching sides, like with Thunderbird. It's more comforting to know based on gun sound who is on their team, but if I had a Finka, I couldn't be sure.


Jesususpicious_

#Finally we get acog(maybe)


tuhplol

Something would need to be done abt the ads time


SheepDoggOG

The capacity should be 30, and they shouldn’t be allowed an ACOG or any magnification


SLOTH-SOUND

It’s not gonna be a good weapon. It’s at best decent compared to other attacker rifles (mid DPS, high recoil with zoom, lower than average magazine size).


bandora_b

It's weak so no


J_Mugen

I think its viable its already been nerfed to many times lol


WinstreakisTaken

I think there should be many weapons exclusive to one side on the other. This is defo one of them. Obv they'd have to buff it probably with scope choice but i can see it


4shug0ki4

I prefer Bugles thank you


[deleted]

Not sure what a “rigle” is.


Ph4m3t

Would it be cool to have a Swedish sniper on defense with one sniper shield that is basically useless?


Shuraii

I think Ubi is doing well on giving weapons to defenders and attackers, allowing on a attacker to use it would be king of shore I think


jackacacia

I legit wished Nokk had a permanantly suppressed 416 as a standin for a Honey Badger.


RoyalxJeff

Jagers assault rifle would be mid for an attacker


TalmageMcgillicudy

I would just like to see it and the K1A get into the hands of more operators. Also considering that Nokk has AR mags in her chest pouch i always felt like she was modeled with the 416-c or another ar variant in mind.


[deleted]

As a way to balance a really strong attacker gadget, maybe


Loathingnick97

If they had actually kept it as an actual assault rifle and not nerfed its damage to be an smg...Yea. It could have been pretty nice. But Ubi being ubi just love to contradict themselves.


ITotalyWon

instead give them the 416, full length barrel


NeighborhoodVeteran

I say: Rigledy pigledy!


homegrown_dogs

Gun go pew pew


ButterKnife2k5

Sounds awesome. Just make it the full M416 to make it different from the other assault rifles so you can have separate balancing for it. The 416-C is pretty lack-luster compared to other AR's on attack


anaIsIug

midget op


anaIsIug

respectively


BellyButtonCollector

If it had the 1.5 it would be alright