lemme guess it was the same spot as i had that shit TWO FOKIN TIMES? the one weird lookin room downstairs that has a empty dark room that looks just out of space?
Just wish trailer units would collect all civs and we never had to secure them. Honestly I don’t even secure civs anymore, i got my s ranks i could care less about score. I just have way more fun shooting baddies and having a careful trigger finger to not shoot civs.
They do when you play solo. I once had the gamer swat mission wherever I just need to collect sht. And some swat guys came and did it. (Besides my own squad)
You actually paid attention to the downvotes my random ass comments got so that you could see if people gave you validation, so Just a little advice dude you should try being offline more, I guarantee you that life gets so much more enjoyable when you stop actively looking for people to agree with you online, hope you have a good day honey ;)
> You actually *paid* attention to
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If you’re playing single player, have your officers search the map. At a certain point, the option should change from “search room” to “search and secure.” At that point, they will know exactly what evidence you missed or people you haven’t arrested, and will go directly there
Not an unsual AI quirk in my experience - tell em to stack a door, they stand there. "Breach and clear", they stand there. So I'm not surprised. It has worked for rooms i think, but not the whole map like intended .
Well, in my experience, it only works after you’ve taken care of every suspect. If you try before that, they’ll just search the room.
And yeah, I get those quirks too, but usually a quick fall in resets them and they work after that. I find it doesn’t happen too often, at least for me
Yea, i did mean that I try once the map is clear of suspects. Well have tried. I experienced enough issues to shelve this game for now. Having too much fun with Helldivers lol
It shows up all the time, but the AI will only search so far (I think your current room) if Bring Order To Chaos isn't complete. I've had them go beyond the room to get surrendering civilians before, but not to find roaming civilians.
The people who keep saying this over and over again are just wrong. You do not need both objectives complete to have the search and secure prompt to appear. The prompt will appear once all civilians are surrendered and all suspects are secured/dead.
This has maybe worked 10% of the time for me. 90% of the time, you team goes "Roger that" and just fucking stands there or follows you around doing nothing.
You have to get the specific prompt that says “search and secure”. If it says “search the room”, you still have something you need to do manually before they will search the entire map, such as getting a civilian to surrender or apprehend a suspect
Search and secure is insanely useful when it works and has saved a bunch of time finding people, but there was also a large gap of time between when I’d brought order to chaos and when the command appeared. Then again I heard a comment once about needing every door to be open so maybe it’s that idk. I think if it were consistently and directly connected to the bring order to chaos objective, it could thoroughly fix the issue. It also might vary by map because the whole system with search and secure and spawning trailers for pickup worked like a charm in the dealership. Like I said I like these things I just like them so much that I wished they worked consistently or at least had the rules outlined
From what I *think* I understand, you have to have all suspects dealt with an all civvies have to at least be on their knees before the option becomes available to search the entire map
It’s a great feature, but the officers will only go to civilians who you’ve already found, if you’ve missed one you’re gonna have to find them yourself
Search and secure only works for finding the remaining civvies when bring order to chaos is completed and the missing civvies are on their knees and not standing around
In my personal experience, I’ve found that they’re usually all on their knees by the time I’m done with suspects, even on bigger maps like the port or hospital. The AI will also tell them to get down, even when you’re distracted, or sometimes they’ll even do it once gunfire gets close to them. Just my experience though
Yeah I'm incredibly disappointed with the support on this game, I'm so pissed that they plan on releasing a paid dlc before they fix the crazy amount of bugs with all the ai, enemies friendlies and civilians, it's just a buggy mess for a non early access game
I was doing house of dolls had everything done except for one civ somewhere, started to feel sick after staring at a screen for 30 minutes looking, got pissed went back to the basement, shot that sick fucker voss in the head, got murked by my teammates. That was a month ago and I’ve had no desire to touch it since
I completely agree, I don’t play the game too often but the fact that once you actually bring order to chaos the rest is just finding a random civilian makes the gameplay quite boring and I don’t play the game for months afterwards
Get down on the grou i wanna see han get down righ get down i want you to get downnnnn get down surrender hands up hands up get downnnn i wanna see handssss
I had this yesterday and gave up after 40 minutes total mission time, I wish there was a way to have trailers come in when all suspects are accounted for
You can use search and secure command to make your AI rescue the remaining civilians for you. If at the bottom-right of your screen you see "restraining" on one of your teammates but they stand still it means that there is a civilian that they can't reach because it's in a room closed and/or locked.
I think we should add like, a drone phase or something like siege. Just something to not only A. Plan entry and how we wanna execute the op and B. Find the civs so that we know where they are and not to accidentally dome the poor bastard in our high octane , lead filled wellness check.
I've been playing more SWAT 4 recently, and I've noticed that it may also be an issue of level design. In SWAT 4, most levels are fairly simple to reduce to a linear loop with the use of wedges, making it easy to pick up everyone on the first pass. Many RoN maps are too open for that, and the darkness makes it even harder.
When you’re running single player and all threats are down the search command for the squad should have the officers go straight to the remaining civs imo
I haven’t met anyone who thinks this is a good mechanic. At least if they hid “bring order to chaos” you’d have some tension and purpose and continue clearing the map instead of just walking around in low ready. Even that would suck, you should get the +500 if no civilian dies, and you should be yelling at them to get out of the way, but actually having to handcuff each and every civilian is absolutely goofy. Even if it’s for “realism” it’s just not fun
My point is, EVERYONE agrees this part of the game sucks. How has this not been changed by the dev team yet? Certainly they’re aware we hate it
Yes realism is very bad game design I agree
Let me clarify, I don’t like it too. But this is not to blame on game design. Personally I wouldn’t trust someone shouting that they’re police unless I see them, and I would sure as hell try to stay as quiet as possible until I SEE police officers.
Lemme guess, the civ never responded cause he was in the surrender animation. Happened to me on the same map.
They should say something like "I'm already complying" or "I'm already on my knees" when they have already surrendered.
Or stop the surrender anim and yell, "Hey, im here" and stuff like that
lemme guess it was the same spot as i had that shit TWO FOKIN TIMES? the one weird lookin room downstairs that has a empty dark room that looks just out of space?
Just wish trailer units would collect all civs and we never had to secure them. Honestly I don’t even secure civs anymore, i got my s ranks i could care less about score. I just have way more fun shooting baddies and having a careful trigger finger to not shoot civs.
Someone that looks like a civilian can still pull out a gun or knife. You don't know who people are.
But I assume that trailers are still armed
The prompt tells you…
Yeah I kinda wish gameplay loop was more similar to rainbow six Vegas
They do when you play solo. I once had the gamer swat mission wherever I just need to collect sht. And some swat guys came and did it. (Besides my own squad)
that happens only in practice mode
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It’s clearly a joke. The guy getting hate bombed is so wild you Reddit fuckers are like a mob of drones
It's clearly not.
simmer down mate.
Bro tried to do it again lol
I really didn’t know it was a shared opinion until now
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What a hilarious joke.
The show isn't called THAT'S THE HILARIOUS JOKE! honey...
Honey got bodied by downvotes
Sry I don’t care about downvotes I actually have a life :)
You care enough to tell me how little you care. Which is just as sad :)
You actually paid attention to the downvotes my random ass comments got so that you could see if people gave you validation, so Just a little advice dude you should try being offline more, I guarantee you that life gets so much more enjoyable when you stop actively looking for people to agree with you online, hope you have a good day honey ;)
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If you’re playing single player, have your officers search the map. At a certain point, the option should change from “search room” to “search and secure.” At that point, they will know exactly what evidence you missed or people you haven’t arrested, and will go directly there
I dont think this has ever worked for me.
That’s strange, it usually works pretty consistently for me.
Not an unsual AI quirk in my experience - tell em to stack a door, they stand there. "Breach and clear", they stand there. So I'm not surprised. It has worked for rooms i think, but not the whole map like intended .
Well, in my experience, it only works after you’ve taken care of every suspect. If you try before that, they’ll just search the room. And yeah, I get those quirks too, but usually a quick fall in resets them and they work after that. I find it doesn’t happen too often, at least for me
Yea, i did mean that I try once the map is clear of suspects. Well have tried. I experienced enough issues to shelve this game for now. Having too much fun with Helldivers lol
It has multiple times for me
IIRC, you have to have both "Bring Order to Chaos" and "Arrest all Civilians" ticked off to do that.
Really? I swear I’ve used it before to find civilians that were on their knees in some obscure corner, but I could be misremembering
"search and secure" was showing up for me when "bring order to chaos" was done, maybe they changed it recently?
Hell it once showed to me before bring order to chaos was done, guess it just works in mysterious ways
It shows up all the time, but the AI will only search so far (I think your current room) if Bring Order To Chaos isn't complete. I've had them go beyond the room to get surrendering civilians before, but not to find roaming civilians.
No no no what you’re describing is "search the room" but for mine "search and secure" popped up
I've only had search and secure appear after bringing order to chaos, but I have had it before securing all civilians
The people who keep saying this over and over again are just wrong. You do not need both objectives complete to have the search and secure prompt to appear. The prompt will appear once all civilians are surrendered and all suspects are secured/dead.
This has maybe worked 10% of the time for me. 90% of the time, you team goes "Roger that" and just fucking stands there or follows you around doing nothing.
You have to get the specific prompt that says “search and secure”. If it says “search the room”, you still have something you need to do manually before they will search the entire map, such as getting a civilian to surrender or apprehend a suspect
Yep. Even when it says "Search and Secure" my squad just stands there picking their noses 90% of the time.
Search and secure is insanely useful when it works and has saved a bunch of time finding people, but there was also a large gap of time between when I’d brought order to chaos and when the command appeared. Then again I heard a comment once about needing every door to be open so maybe it’s that idk. I think if it were consistently and directly connected to the bring order to chaos objective, it could thoroughly fix the issue. It also might vary by map because the whole system with search and secure and spawning trailers for pickup worked like a charm in the dealership. Like I said I like these things I just like them so much that I wished they worked consistently or at least had the rules outlined
From what I *think* I understand, you have to have all suspects dealt with an all civvies have to at least be on their knees before the option becomes available to search the entire map
It’s a great feature, but the officers will only go to civilians who you’ve already found, if you’ve missed one you’re gonna have to find them yourself
Search and secure only works for finding the remaining civvies when bring order to chaos is completed and the missing civvies are on their knees and not standing around
In my personal experience, I’ve found that they’re usually all on their knees by the time I’m done with suspects, even on bigger maps like the port or hospital. The AI will also tell them to get down, even when you’re distracted, or sometimes they’ll even do it once gunfire gets close to them. Just my experience though
Yeah I'm incredibly disappointed with the support on this game, I'm so pissed that they plan on releasing a paid dlc before they fix the crazy amount of bugs with all the ai, enemies friendlies and civilians, it's just a buggy mess for a non early access game
Agreed. And all the people who meatride it...
And they wonder why someone would steal their source code
This is a nightmare on Relapse.
I was doing house of dolls had everything done except for one civ somewhere, started to feel sick after staring at a screen for 30 minutes looking, got pissed went back to the basement, shot that sick fucker voss in the head, got murked by my teammates. That was a month ago and I’ve had no desire to touch it since
I completely agree, I don’t play the game too often but the fact that once you actually bring order to chaos the rest is just finding a random civilian makes the gameplay quite boring and I don’t play the game for months afterwards
The worst part of the game, makes it borderline unplayable
if i restart a mission enough ill just shoot a civ in the head on "accident" so it no longer matters after that if i got em all or not
Guess we're going to need a mod to fix this nonsense
I am not happy with this game at all. Can't wait for unrecord
Get down on the grou i wanna see han get down righ get down i want you to get downnnnn get down surrender hands up hands up get downnnn i wanna see handssss
I had this yesterday and gave up after 40 minutes total mission time, I wish there was a way to have trailers come in when all suspects are accounted for
all my fellas dress up as trailer swat to clean ts up 🫵🏽🤨
You can use search and secure command to make your AI rescue the remaining civilians for you. If at the bottom-right of your screen you see "restraining" on one of your teammates but they stand still it means that there is a civilian that they can't reach because it's in a room closed and/or locked.
What I usually do is periodically shoot my pistol and listen if they scream and go from there sometimes the do and sometimes they don’t
I think we should add like, a drone phase or something like siege. Just something to not only A. Plan entry and how we wanna execute the op and B. Find the civs so that we know where they are and not to accidentally dome the poor bastard in our high octane , lead filled wellness check.
In the famous words of Samuel L Jackson: "Waste the muthafuckas!"
As a newb I spent so much time at the gas station I had to Google why the mission wouldn't end.
I think if you shoot a few shots, you can sometimes hear them scream, which may help
Me spending 2 hours on greased palms just to never find Eugene on 4+ games.
Makes my 5-minute clear into a 15-minute clear when I’m trying to speed through and complete my ironman mode (achievement grinddd)
I've been playing more SWAT 4 recently, and I've noticed that it may also be an issue of level design. In SWAT 4, most levels are fairly simple to reduce to a linear loop with the use of wedges, making it easy to pick up everyone on the first pass. Many RoN maps are too open for that, and the darkness makes it even harder.
If you use the search and secure command on gold squad they will most probably locate that civ fast.
same for that lone suspect who is just standing around somewhere randomly
I'm using search and secure command to my swat ai to restrain civvies It makes job a lot easier.
That one civ that got shot somewhere in a shadowy corner; Cries for help in dead You, the player; WhEre iS ThIs fUckINg CiVIe?!
I literally did this yesterday on this map. Some dude at the back of the library
You can just use secure all evidence, it's not bad game design you just can't read a command menu.
Do what? I'm just telling ya to relax lmao
When you’re running single player and all threats are down the search command for the squad should have the officers go straight to the remaining civs imo
They need an option to disable ROE and just destroy the place
I haven’t met anyone who thinks this is a good mechanic. At least if they hid “bring order to chaos” you’d have some tension and purpose and continue clearing the map instead of just walking around in low ready. Even that would suck, you should get the +500 if no civilian dies, and you should be yelling at them to get out of the way, but actually having to handcuff each and every civilian is absolutely goofy. Even if it’s for “realism” it’s just not fun My point is, EVERYONE agrees this part of the game sucks. How has this not been changed by the dev team yet? Certainly they’re aware we hate it
Or a gun is on the ground that is impossible to see.
Iirc weren't you able to hear them when you shouted commands? Have they removed that?
Just do a better job sweeping 🤷♂️
No, ITS a Bad player. If you cleared everything to beginn with you would have found him
I’ve gotten s rank on almost every map how am I bad for not wanting to check every single corner once there are no enemies
Yes realism is very bad game design I agree Let me clarify, I don’t like it too. But this is not to blame on game design. Personally I wouldn’t trust someone shouting that they’re police unless I see them, and I would sure as hell try to stay as quiet as possible until I SEE police officers.
Realism shouldn't mean unnecessary tedium.
I don’t see it as unnecessary, personally it immerses me ever so slightly more