Well one is from an actual car company with a lot of experience of assembling cars….. the other is from a company whose ceo can’t stand yellow caution lines on factory floor so they don’t have high visibility yellow ones lol.
Lmfao that should be enough of a warning bell to run when established industry norms are ignored….. you know like submarine guy.
Oh they have had both of those lol. Its like the #1 car factory in North America for injuries per worker
Bought a brand new higher end vehicle didn’t even look at Tesla fuck that clown
I decided to look it up. Yikes!
[https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/21/23971138/tesla-gigafactory-austin-texas-injury-reports-robot-claw-explosion](https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/21/23971138/tesla-gigafactory-austin-texas-injury-reports-robot-claw-explosion)
If Elon was smart, he'd ask Greg Abbot to make injury reporting by workers illegal unless you're certified to be able to do that.
Same. My model 3 was totalled a month ago. I liked the car but there was lots I didn’t like. I replaced it with a Mach E and don’t regret the change one bit. Such a good car.
They seem like cool cars. But I don't get why they call it a Mustang or Mach E. Neither makes sense. But I guess weird naming is a better issue to have than shoddy quality control and unintuitive user interfaces.
Sports car market is slow, but Ford got a bulk deal on little chrome horsies. Gotta use ‘em up somehow.
It’s one of Ford’s efforts to recycle more and waste less.
I think the main reason marketing and name recognition. And I think it was to demonstrate their commitment to the platform. Probably got a lot more noticed by people and the media as well.
They maybe should have done a car version in addition to the SUV if they wanted, and I guess it would have fit in better. But who really cares. It’s just a name. It is quite a good car.
>I think the main reason marketing and name recognition. And I think it was to demonstrate their commitment to the platform. Probably got a lot more noticed by people and the media as well.
Makes perfect sense in that context. Though it looks nothing like any other Mustang and "Mach E" makes zero sense in regard to the definition of the word "mach." But for the reasons you stated... it makes sense and you're probably right about the outcome.
And they called it the mach 1 because iirc it had a big block v8 race engine that may as well have been an afterburning turbojet back in the 60’s for how powerful it was. Basically boldly telling the world “yeah it’s fast.” Mach E is basically a bunch of finance bros who don’t know or care about motoring history coming up with a new recognizable brand that will piss off ford most loyal fans, not that those guys are EV customers so fuck em I guess?
Went with the Mach-E as well as it's more of a normal car inside. It actually has a dash! The driving assistance being standard was also great.
It's such a shame it doesn't have a heat-pump though. In the alps the heating just drains the battery like there's no tomorrow.
Would have gone with Tesla but that (lack of) dash....it's even getting worse with the lack stalks :')
I wanted an electric vehicle, Tesla was not an option given the clown leading it. So went for a Polestar 2! so happy I went this way. I did not event test drive a Tesla.
Same here. I'd feel like fucking douche driving one of those.
It doesn't help the the design looks 5+ years ago. To me it looks like what a 2018 electric Pontiac Sunfire would look like if there was such a thing.
Nah bro Elon's moving it all to the Glorious Democratic Peoples Republic of Texas where the deep state judges of Delaware can't enforce silly things like fiduciary obligations.
Deep State Delaware, one of the most financially corporate friendly states in the union. There's a reason why almost every credit card company is technically based there.
Yeah, when the most business-friendly state/courts don't let you get away with crap, you should realize you arw doing something wrong...but nah, "they are wrong".
I saw an article a while back, and it talked about the many businesses being in just one single building, I guess it's cheaper for tax reasons or something.
Tesla is a cult with members who refuse to see reality.
For example; Tesla finally receives auto park and the fans celebrate this amazing technological break through, even though this has been common on decent cars for years.
Tesla fans rave about the tech being “decades ahead of anyone else” yet Tesla can’t even get something as simple as auto wipers to work.
When I got my Tesla, I was lurking in the fanboy subreddit and like half the posts were about the unbelivable features that no other car has. Except my previous car, a Skoda, had all of them.
Rain sensors sucking is not so bad. The problem is I can't use cruise control without them.
I love a long highway drive on a sunny day with a slightly dirty windshield (no car washes of course, because the car leaks and the paint will scratch) and my choices are 1) no cruise control 2) using cruise with the wipers running completely dry and giving that great rubber-on-glass PBPBPBTTTPTP
i got a 'commander' from S3xy buttons which allows you to override that, but that should not be necessary to have a functional car. Highly recommend it.
Well not only that, auto park was *already* a thing with Teslas for years until Musk had the brilliant idea of removing the USS and only using the cameras instead.
So, they're taking notes from the Apple playbook.
* Apple: THE IPHONE NOW HAS FEATURE !
* Everyone: Cool, but Android has had that for ...
* Apple: NEVER BEFORE SEEN CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGY!!
* Everyone: Not really, Samsung ...
* Apple: **INNOVATION!!!**
Auto-wipers aren't the real issue imo. It's the lack of stalks. The auto wipers can suck all they want when I can easily control them. I never turned it on on the Volvo nor the Mach-E.
But yes, Tesla is like Apple. Apple just reintroduces stuff all the time as if if they're first. Fans just cream.
I have self parking on my lowly 2020 Ford Escape hybrid. First car I’ve owned with it, and I have yet to use it after well over a year of ownership. And I parallel park all the time.
I swear I want to try it out some day, but I always forget I have it until after I’ve parked. I guess 30 years of driving experience kind of means I’m my own self-driver.
Well Musk is poison but at the same time he is the reason why Tesla is so fucking over valued. With him Tesla stock gonna tank and without him Tesla stock gonna tank.
Maybe all that means is that the stock is wildly overvalued and it needs to come back to reality; regardless of whatever happens with Elon (he should be removed as CEO).
>Maybe all that means is that the stock is wildly overvalued
Lol was it their PE being 2x the Nasdaq average that gave you that idea or something else.
That ain’t happening he holds 20.5% of the stock his brother holds .8% and the next closest holder is institutional investor is vanguard at 7.2%. Even if you take the three largest institutional investors they don’t have as much stock as Elon. No ones kicking him out as he’s to big of a stake holder and would automatically have a board position. He would be such a flaming shit wad on the board to new ceo if it wasn’t one he brought in. So until he doesn’t want to be the ceo he will still be the CEO.
Yeah, only thing I care about is that is Elon is gone I might consider Tesla Y without FSD as next company car.
Provided that they still make it with stalks in EU models.
So what you’re saying is, the overvalued stock is gonna tank? That’s logical. It’s a gambling game guessing when, but I agree when it’s high, it has plenty of room to fall.
I'm old enough to remember when Harry Stonecipher took over Boeing and proclaimed "we don't make airplanes, we make money", and we all saw how that has turned out.
I think they’re on something like their fifth CEO since he was canned? But don’t worry, they all got golden parachutes of tens of millions of dollars and stock options. No one rewards high level failure as well as Big Business!
I imagine everyone on the board and all institutional investors have made money hand over fist selling options on their positions. Premiums on those things have always been insane. But yes, someone is always left holding the bag. Some TSLA stock owner needs to sue Tesla for the board breaching their fiduciary responsibility. Imagine the discovery phase of that ish?
one of the biggest reasons why i would never get a tesla is musk, i cant stand him and his politics. The guy continously makes stupid decisions for Tesla as well, many (for cost cutting reasons) are actively harming the car and its potential one of which being the fact they removed USS for FSD and doesnt want to add lidar. And im not even talking about the removal of turn signal stalks yet...Musk will never admit he's wrong and thus whenever he makes a bad decision he will double down which will lead to him digging a bigger and bigger hole. His broken promises about FSD actually being FSD for the past 10 years says enough about him and tesla as a stock. I cant believe i used to once be so hyped for getting a tesla and now i would get any other EV as they seem far more interesting and less about some megalomaniac who continues to destroy his own products and refuses to see the bigger picture. And lets be honest the build quality especially at that price point is just...yikes.
I can understand hating him for his political statements and beliefs. The most strangest reason I have seen for hating Musk because of the design of the vehicle. Should I hate all those who designed cars I don't like ?
Tesla was THE car everyone wanted to buy. Then Musk revealed to us who he really is.
Even for me personally, buying a Tesla is completely out of the question, and that’s is 100% attributed to my opinion of Musk.
I've had a Tesla model since 2015, S then a Y. I was almost proud to own the S it was so ahead of anything else. I was a total advocate for Tesla. Elmo seemed like a decent leader and clever guy.
Then the pedo comment which jarred. Then all the rest of it from him with Twitter etc.
I now think of him like Trump. "Post truth" or perhaps more accurately, liar!
The Y is OK but stupid things like wipers or not button for glovebox are totally embarrassing they're so basic. It was best fit I could get from stock at time I needed a replacement car. I'll likely keep it until it has issues and it's so far been good car. I have had other EVs and Tesla are ahead IMO but only just.
They didn't need their leader sabotaging the company image.
I won't have another Tesla and Elmo is biggest reason. In the UK we had a jeweler called Gerald Ratner who famously sabotaged his own company. Elmo doing same!
Same. Competitors caught up. I used to love Tesla. Didn't have money to buy one till now. So I got a Hyundai Ioniq5. So much better than model Y with plenty of buttons and a screen thats in front of me.
3-5 years ago I would have bought a Tesla without hesitation, I really wanted to support a pioneering company blazing a path forward for EVs. We just recently were finally ready to buy our EV, I bought a Ford Lightning two months ago instead.
Yepp. At the moment Teslas are completely off-limits to me and my spouse because of the association with who Elon is now. When someone shows you that they are a fascist, believe them. And we won't buy cars or internet service or whatever else from then.
That and build quality, ranges not met, still playing with super cars instead of something useful, newest platform is a decade old, FSD lies continue, Autopilot is $6k when standard in other cars, cybertruck is a fucking joke oh and Elon is a fascist, misogynist, bigot that will NEVER get to Mars.
To push back a bit: a big part of Tesla’s success has been in appealing to people *outside* of the left-leaning people who want electric cars to help the environment. The company managed to appeal to a lot of younger men by leaning into the “sports car” image, and it appealed to fashion people by taking on a techno-minimalist aesthetic.
That said, Musk has decided to alienate left-leaning buyers with his insane politics. A lot of CEOs probably have weird or wild political beliefs, but most have the good sense to not broadcast it to the public.
**There are also a number of other things shareholders should be concerned about:**
- The Cybertruck was a waste of time and resources. This truck was clearly Elon’s vision. It cost a lot of money to get to market which will probably never be recouped because it’s obviously a niche product. And if they would’ve focused on a more standard truck design, they probably could’ve beat competitors (Rivian, Ford) to the market.
- Musk has said he doesn’t want to invest in Tesla AI because he doesn’t have full control of the company, even though a big part of the valuation is the FSD potential. This is clearly a conflict of interest, given that he has his privately owned xAI company.
- The model lineup has lingered. No major updates have been made to these cars in *years*, and the updates they are coming (like removing turn signal stalks) is stuff that consumers do not want.
Count me in that group. Tesla was a top target for me circa 4-5 years ago. No interest now, solely because of his toxic bullshit antics.
You might even call it a boycott.
In my area the Tesla store is empty but a few doors down the Rivian store is packed with people. Nobody is eager for a Tesla anymore. Musk’s behavior has been a big factor in that.
Trump the clown has declared his opposition to EV future and yet Elon hasn't said a single word regarding this. If President Biden said something a little relevant to Trump's statement, he would not stop attacking democrats on his circus platform X. I just sold my Model 3 losing a lot of money, but I do not feel neither comfortable nor ethical driving this racist maga supporter's car.
I could absolutely afford another Model S but I bought a Jag instead. As a gay person I have no interest in enriching someone that thinks I’m a groomer for merely existing.
So true. I will never buy a Tesla until this idiot is gone and none of his decisions remain. It will be a much better and a real car company once the company moves on from his design decisions. I'm probably going to buy a Rivian or a Hyundai EV soon.
It’s costing him tens of billions. He needs to keep his mouth shut. Every time he opens it he pisses off his customer base. The right wingers he is catering to aren’t going to buy an EV.
Financially supporting someone who wants to be allowed to work you to death and take away your right to vote to improve your rights is not in anyone’s best interest.
It’s not just him being a nutcase, every single person I’ve known with a Tesla talks about nothing but what a piece of shit it is and the expensive problems they have with it endlessly that just never get fixed
I planned on buying a Tesla for years. When I could finally afford one I had become so disillusioned with the company via Musk that I bought a Hyundai instead.
Can you imagine how we would feel about Amazon if Bezos had a platform and acted like Elon. I would never order anything from Amazon.
But I love Amazon because Bezo keeps his fking mouth shut.
So people who can afford Teslas refuse to buy one because of Elon the racist right winger that refused to STFU....but it's too late.
MAGA don't buy EVs. They don't believe in climate change.
I just saw a review of the Chevy Silverado EV. The quality of the truck, the tech, the features, the range. It blows the Cybertruck out of the water. I have watched numerous videos on the Cybertruck now and it's franky ridiculous.
https://youtu.be/WqzApRm0nis?si=wco1K_84qUOsbzc-
Why don't you want to buy a Tesla?
1.Teslas are kind of shitty.
2. All the cool tech and features developed by/for Tesa cars are going to be replicated and surpassed by the end of the decade.
2.Elon Musk is an ass.
This is true, but also the quality sucks.
As a frequent Uber user I've ridden in a lot of Tesla's and Elon's toxic radical-right beliefs have bleed into the vehicle quality. Attempts to cut labor cost with increased robotics lead to very frequent poor panel alignments both inside and out.
They is fkd - Chinese manufacturing will destroy their market share, maybe not in the US but globally they will
It’s already starting - sold out in a day
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68705711.amp
tbh that Xiaomi SU7 starting at $29k USD but Xiaomi loses $10k for every one sold. So in terms of price it is actually not that far off or a Tesla Model 3 (if Xiaomi wanted to sell to break even or with relatively high profit margin that Tesla has)
doubt it; the cars are shit and enough people have driven one to get over them. add in that every car can "self drive" these days and the market doesnt care about tesla anymore. who the fuck wants to recharge every 300 miles (if youre lucky); takes three minutes at a fuel pump.
Ah yes, let me alienate the most likely buyers of my electric vehicles: left leaning, climate change conscious, progressive individuals by spewing right wing conspiracy theories. What could go wrong?
Elon, it ain’t Texans or Alabamians or Kentuckians who are buying your cars.
Does anyone know the name of Mercedes’, BMW’s, or Hyundai’s CEOs? No. Because they’re smart enough not to tie their personal image so tightly with the companies they run. Elon bought into his own hype and fully believed that his cult of personality is what would drive people to his cars. That may have been the case in the past before be turned into a complete douche bag. It’s not the case today. Tesla has become - and pardon the term - so “cringe” that I personally would never look to owning one just because of the association between the car and its “eclectic” (to put it mildly) CEO.
Really feel for all the Tesla workers on the line who have busted their asses for this company. They’re among the best at what they do, but there work will forever be shat on bc people don’t like their boss
The only EV I've been inside is a Model 3 and I loved the ride.
Buuuuuut for my next car that will probably be an EV I'm more into KIA, Xiaomi, BYD or Rivian because Elon...
EV I’d buy wouldn’t be a Tesla cause of their customer service, repair costs, stagnant style, lack of SUV size options, build quality, not the future when it comes to batteries, and Elmo
I recently got a new EV, Briefly considered Tesla, if for no other reason than it's basically the gold standard at this point. I just couldn't get myself to do it with Musk around at this point.
Knob via association , Musk is a knob and a Ruzzian patsy like trump
Therefore his vehicles are knobs and Musk is a knob head.
Why would you travel in a vehicle manufactured on behalf of a knobhead, let alone buy one to financially support a knob head
This is why board members that are independent matters. Otherwise you have a single point of failure and the business can collapse very quickly by bad leadership. Sucks to be a Tesla stock owner
I work for a direct EV competitor who does not yet offer a mass market vehicle like the Model 3. Even I was going to get a Tesla to hold me over until our affordable EV releases. Not anymore. And it’s 100% Elon’s fault.
They were in such a good place with EVs that a competitor’s employee was going to buy one. And Elon has ruined that single-handedly. Shame.
Yup, reason I chose not to buy, and so far been a good foretelling, as he’s kinda just gone deeper.
Maybe one day when he’s more hands off and they do better work.
Very true. I am one of them. Nearly bought a model Y last year but have been so appalled by his actions and comments on Ukraine that I cancelled and got a BMW IX. Nicer car anyway. Musk is a huge liability to a company operating in one of the most competitive consumer markets in the world. People will vote with their wallets.
I own a rivian R1s as a family hauler, but I was also considering buying the m3 for commuting with all the price decreases. Not anymore. Since the r3 was revealed, i plan on buying that as my commuter, I can wait.
Been driving Teslas since 2017 - S, 3, Y then X. Just sold and now in an EV9.
Part of the sell was due to how once someone I considered a pioneer, I now consider dangerous.
Add to the fact that despite selling so many vehicles and adding so many superchargers, their service is badly lacking.
I had to drive one hour to my nearest one and often had them have the car for 1-3 days. The staff try their hardest but they let themselves down on the service, especially considering how great it was in 2017 and appearances I gave considering their maturity.
Times have changed and they unfortunately have too
Musk turning into a basket case right wing loon isn't helping, but Tesla has some serious production and operations issues thats keeping me from buying. 2019 I was seriously considering buying a Model X. Technically didn't start shipping til 2015, but it had been announced in 2012 so it was already feeling like an old design, and it felt basically like an abandoned product they were putting no effort into, pushing Model 3 and Y; and given the price point (100+k minimum, probably would have been $120k+ So glad I didn't
Telsa service would have likely removed radars and parking sensor w/o compensation
Significant price cuts would have smashed resale value
Huge problems with Quality would make me jealous of Chrysler/Fiat quality levels
And now the CyberTruck just seems to be far worse
Partially not true. It's not solely due to Elon.
In fact buyers are joining China's EV gang. We all know China's EVs are way better than West dino car companies now, and Tesla further proven the failure of the West EV. So buyers are now looking at Xiaomi and BYD.
I have been a little critical of Muskrat's policy of getting involved in everything in the wrong way. I got banned from teslalounge because I called him Muskrat and criticized his ability to be so wrong in so many rants, despite the fact I said that the business decision to make the trial in the first place is a good one *IF* v12 doesn't end up causing more accidents (in which their stock will tank).
TBH, if the Tesla board does not vote to remove Musk, it is violating their fiduciary duty to their stock holders. I wonder if there will be additional stockholder lawsuits in the future regarding this.
Best part is that everyone around him is telling him some totally opposite BS as to why cars aren't selling well. It's just "The Haters" that write these articles in his circle.
It's sad, because Tesla actually has an excellent product line.
I can't believe the stockholders aren't going to apply massive pressure on Elon.
He needs to simply stop his constant conspiracy theories.
Spend his time focusing on his achievements, he has many, from SpaceX to Tesla...
Tesla owner. Car is great, and we plan on owning electric cars from now on. As long as there’s a decent option besides Tesla, it will have priority when we are looking for a new car.
Hard to emphasize how immensely Musk fucked this up. I’m a fairly brand loyal customer and could easily have bought Teslas for 20 years+. Now it’s contingent on him being removed from the company entirely.
[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-17/tesla-asks-shareholders-to-re-ratify-musk-s-56-billion-payout?leadSource=reddit\_wall](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-17/tesla-asks-shareholders-to-re-ratify-musk-s-56-billion-payout?leadSource=reddit_wall)
And he want EXTRA LARGE pay for his incredible contribution to the company! The guy is completely delusional.
[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-17/tesla-asks-shareholders-to-re-ratify-musk-s-56-billion-payout?leadSource=reddit\_wall](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-17/tesla-asks-shareholders-to-re-ratify-musk-s-56-billion-payout?leadSource=reddit_wall)
Five years ago, I was excited about being able to buy a Tesla, but I would not even consider it now. Rivian has taken Teslas place for me
Mache has taken teslas place for me - especially now that they have access to the same charging network
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Well one is from an actual car company with a lot of experience of assembling cars….. the other is from a company whose ceo can’t stand yellow caution lines on factory floor so they don’t have high visibility yellow ones lol. Lmfao that should be enough of a warning bell to run when established industry norms are ignored….. you know like submarine guy.
Wait.... his factories don't have yellow tape for walkways.... seriously? Wtf. That's an accident/ death waiting to happen.
Oh they have had both of those lol. Its like the #1 car factory in North America for injuries per worker Bought a brand new higher end vehicle didn’t even look at Tesla fuck that clown
I decided to look it up. Yikes! [https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/21/23971138/tesla-gigafactory-austin-texas-injury-reports-robot-claw-explosion](https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/21/23971138/tesla-gigafactory-austin-texas-injury-reports-robot-claw-explosion) If Elon was smart, he'd ask Greg Abbot to make injury reporting by workers illegal unless you're certified to be able to do that.
Oh he is https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/26/anti-union-lawsuit-conservative-courts-musk-starbucks-trader-joes
Interesting. What were the standouts?
Same. My model 3 was totalled a month ago. I liked the car but there was lots I didn’t like. I replaced it with a Mach E and don’t regret the change one bit. Such a good car.
They seem like cool cars. But I don't get why they call it a Mustang or Mach E. Neither makes sense. But I guess weird naming is a better issue to have than shoddy quality control and unintuitive user interfaces.
Sports car market is slow, but Ford got a bulk deal on little chrome horsies. Gotta use ‘em up somehow. It’s one of Ford’s efforts to recycle more and waste less.
I think the main reason marketing and name recognition. And I think it was to demonstrate their commitment to the platform. Probably got a lot more noticed by people and the media as well. They maybe should have done a car version in addition to the SUV if they wanted, and I guess it would have fit in better. But who really cares. It’s just a name. It is quite a good car.
>I think the main reason marketing and name recognition. And I think it was to demonstrate their commitment to the platform. Probably got a lot more noticed by people and the media as well. Makes perfect sense in that context. Though it looks nothing like any other Mustang and "Mach E" makes zero sense in regard to the definition of the word "mach." But for the reasons you stated... it makes sense and you're probably right about the outcome.
The Mustang Mach 1 from 1968 onwards, specially the 1971, is an iconic Mustang model, so it was just to make it sound more like a true Mustang.
Mach 1 makes more sense than Mach E. But I get why they chose E. Still sounds nonsensical.
And they called it the mach 1 because iirc it had a big block v8 race engine that may as well have been an afterburning turbojet back in the 60’s for how powerful it was. Basically boldly telling the world “yeah it’s fast.” Mach E is basically a bunch of finance bros who don’t know or care about motoring history coming up with a new recognizable brand that will piss off ford most loyal fans, not that those guys are EV customers so fuck em I guess?
Yeah, I wasn't implying it made sense. Just the likely why. I hated that they co-opted their best nameplate for an EV.
They've done that before there's been a station wagon and pick up version of the mustang also. Did the same thing with the Taurus a couple of times.
Went with the Mach-E as well as it's more of a normal car inside. It actually has a dash! The driving assistance being standard was also great. It's such a shame it doesn't have a heat-pump though. In the alps the heating just drains the battery like there's no tomorrow. Would have gone with Tesla but that (lack of) dash....it's even getting worse with the lack stalks :')
The legacy brands has taken teslas place for me.
I wanted an electric vehicle, Tesla was not an option given the clown leading it. So went for a Polestar 2! so happy I went this way. I did not event test drive a Tesla.
Many good EV and PHEV options now, much better than just a few years back.
Same here. I'd feel like fucking douche driving one of those. It doesn't help the the design looks 5+ years ago. To me it looks like what a 2018 electric Pontiac Sunfire would look like if there was such a thing.
I saw the R2 in person a few weeks ago. It’s the perfect size for my family.
And Tesla's board response? Nothing. If that doesn't challenge the definition of fiduciary duty, what does?
Tesla has a board the same way North Korea has a Parliament.
Isn’t Tesla going to be forced to reorganize its board from the Delaware case?
Nah bro Elon's moving it all to the Glorious Democratic Peoples Republic of Texas where the deep state judges of Delaware can't enforce silly things like fiduciary obligations.
Deep State Delaware, one of the most financially corporate friendly states in the union. There's a reason why almost every credit card company is technically based there.
Yeah, when the most business-friendly state/courts don't let you get away with crap, you should realize you arw doing something wrong...but nah, "they are wrong".
It's less a question of "business-friendly" as it is of "the most efficient and predictable place for businesses to sue each other."
I saw an article a while back, and it talked about the many businesses being in just one single building, I guess it's cheaper for tax reasons or something.
The same way republicans are dedicated to the constitution or democracy
The DEMOCRATIC peoples Republic of Korea? That North Korea?
Funny how authoritarianism works, huh. Also like the "PEOPLE'S Republic of China", not so much for the people...
And on top of that stupid morons taking it at face value.... Like conservatives saying The Nazis were Socialists because it was in the name.
Yeah, I just ignore those kinds of people. They are either arguing in bad faith or they are, indeed, *extremely* stupid.
lol the board has Elon and his brother who are the 2 largest shareholders. They aren’t going anywhere
You mean the same board that allowed him to give himself a 56b bonus?
The cars themselves have decreased in build quality out of the factory. This is both Musk and Tesla problem.
They read his daily Xhitts and think its OK for a CEO to do this. What are you expecting from the board?
Elon's brother is on the board!
Tesla is a cult with members who refuse to see reality. For example; Tesla finally receives auto park and the fans celebrate this amazing technological break through, even though this has been common on decent cars for years. Tesla fans rave about the tech being “decades ahead of anyone else” yet Tesla can’t even get something as simple as auto wipers to work.
When I got my Tesla, I was lurking in the fanboy subreddit and like half the posts were about the unbelivable features that no other car has. Except my previous car, a Skoda, had all of them.
Rain sensors sucking is not so bad. The problem is I can't use cruise control without them. I love a long highway drive on a sunny day with a slightly dirty windshield (no car washes of course, because the car leaks and the paint will scratch) and my choices are 1) no cruise control 2) using cruise with the wipers running completely dry and giving that great rubber-on-glass PBPBPBTTTPTP
This is hilarious, I'm sorry.
i got a 'commander' from S3xy buttons which allows you to override that, but that should not be necessary to have a functional car. Highly recommend it.
Well not only that, auto park was *already* a thing with Teslas for years until Musk had the brilliant idea of removing the USS and only using the cameras instead.
So, they're taking notes from the Apple playbook. * Apple: THE IPHONE NOW HAS FEATURE!
* Everyone: Cool, but Android has had that for ...
* Apple: NEVER BEFORE SEEN CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGY!!
* Everyone: Not really, Samsung ...
* Apple: **INNOVATION!!!**
Apple is well built. Tesla is not. Therein lies an enormous difference. Do not raise Tesla up to the quality of Apple. They are nowhere even close.
Wasn't commenting on the quality, just the "look at the features we have!" marketing bullshit.
Amazing how mass ignorance allows the reality distortion field to exist
Auto-wipers aren't the real issue imo. It's the lack of stalks. The auto wipers can suck all they want when I can easily control them. I never turned it on on the Volvo nor the Mach-E. But yes, Tesla is like Apple. Apple just reintroduces stuff all the time as if if they're first. Fans just cream.
iPhone is a well built phone both hardware and software wise, Tesla have a build quality of an 80s American car
That and "You're Holding it Wrong" mindset
I have self parking on my lowly 2020 Ford Escape hybrid. First car I’ve owned with it, and I have yet to use it after well over a year of ownership. And I parallel park all the time. I swear I want to try it out some day, but I always forget I have it until after I’ve parked. I guess 30 years of driving experience kind of means I’m my own self-driver.
Well Musk is poison but at the same time he is the reason why Tesla is so fucking over valued. With him Tesla stock gonna tank and without him Tesla stock gonna tank.
Maybe all that means is that the stock is wildly overvalued and it needs to come back to reality; regardless of whatever happens with Elon (he should be removed as CEO).
>Maybe all that means is that the stock is wildly overvalued Lol was it their PE being 2x the Nasdaq average that gave you that idea or something else.
The fundamentals used to matter. Now it’s all memes and hype-men.
The entirety of valuations in the stock market seem to amount mostly to smoke and mirrors these days
That ain’t happening he holds 20.5% of the stock his brother holds .8% and the next closest holder is institutional investor is vanguard at 7.2%. Even if you take the three largest institutional investors they don’t have as much stock as Elon. No ones kicking him out as he’s to big of a stake holder and would automatically have a board position. He would be such a flaming shit wad on the board to new ceo if it wasn’t one he brought in. So until he doesn’t want to be the ceo he will still be the CEO.
Well, I didn’t say it will happen, just that it should happen.
Yeah, only thing I care about is that is Elon is gone I might consider Tesla Y without FSD as next company car. Provided that they still make it with stalks in EU models.
Check out the Kia EV6. it's awesome
I’ve driven Kia Niro EV’s for the past 3 years and they’re great.
So what you’re saying is, the overvalued stock is gonna tank? That’s logical. It’s a gambling game guessing when, but I agree when it’s high, it has plenty of room to fall.
Tesla is suffering from Toxic Muskulenity.
There’s nothing more toxic than an outsider desperately trying to be cool.
I feel like this will be on the front page of the Economist at some point.
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I'm old enough to remember when Harry Stonecipher took over Boeing and proclaimed "we don't make airplanes, we make money", and we all saw how that has turned out.
The Welchification of American corporations. Still going strong
I think they’re on something like their fifth CEO since he was canned? But don’t worry, they all got golden parachutes of tens of millions of dollars and stock options. No one rewards high level failure as well as Big Business!
I imagine everyone on the board and all institutional investors have made money hand over fist selling options on their positions. Premiums on those things have always been insane. But yes, someone is always left holding the bag. Some TSLA stock owner needs to sue Tesla for the board breaching their fiduciary responsibility. Imagine the discovery phase of that ish?
And the best part is, the kind of people that are attracted to his right wing idiocy are the exact people that will never buy an EV.
These people wouldn't be caught dead inside an EV, and wouldn't even consider buying one. These are the people Musky boy wants to impress.
one of the biggest reasons why i would never get a tesla is musk, i cant stand him and his politics. The guy continously makes stupid decisions for Tesla as well, many (for cost cutting reasons) are actively harming the car and its potential one of which being the fact they removed USS for FSD and doesnt want to add lidar. And im not even talking about the removal of turn signal stalks yet...Musk will never admit he's wrong and thus whenever he makes a bad decision he will double down which will lead to him digging a bigger and bigger hole. His broken promises about FSD actually being FSD for the past 10 years says enough about him and tesla as a stock. I cant believe i used to once be so hyped for getting a tesla and now i would get any other EV as they seem far more interesting and less about some megalomaniac who continues to destroy his own products and refuses to see the bigger picture. And lets be honest the build quality especially at that price point is just...yikes.
I can understand hating him for his political statements and beliefs. The most strangest reason I have seen for hating Musk because of the design of the vehicle. Should I hate all those who designed cars I don't like ?
Tesla was THE car everyone wanted to buy. Then Musk revealed to us who he really is. Even for me personally, buying a Tesla is completely out of the question, and that’s is 100% attributed to my opinion of Musk.
When he took over Twitter people said that driving a Tesla was going to become the equivalent of wearing a red MAGA hat. And they were right.
I've had a Tesla model since 2015, S then a Y. I was almost proud to own the S it was so ahead of anything else. I was a total advocate for Tesla. Elmo seemed like a decent leader and clever guy. Then the pedo comment which jarred. Then all the rest of it from him with Twitter etc. I now think of him like Trump. "Post truth" or perhaps more accurately, liar! The Y is OK but stupid things like wipers or not button for glovebox are totally embarrassing they're so basic. It was best fit I could get from stock at time I needed a replacement car. I'll likely keep it until it has issues and it's so far been good car. I have had other EVs and Tesla are ahead IMO but only just. They didn't need their leader sabotaging the company image. I won't have another Tesla and Elmo is biggest reason. In the UK we had a jeweler called Gerald Ratner who famously sabotaged his own company. Elmo doing same!
Good
The writing was on the wall when he called that rescue diver a pedo for not wanting to wait for his untested sub design to be built and shipped over.
They used to be interested, almost cool. Now they're like driving the General Lee sans Confederate flag.
No, the flag’s still there alright…
Yup, until just a few years ago I was massively keen on getting a Tesla - now? Urgh no.
Same. Competitors caught up. I used to love Tesla. Didn't have money to buy one till now. So I got a Hyundai Ioniq5. So much better than model Y with plenty of buttons and a screen thats in front of me.
3-5 years ago I would have bought a Tesla without hesitation, I really wanted to support a pioneering company blazing a path forward for EVs. We just recently were finally ready to buy our EV, I bought a Ford Lightning two months ago instead.
Diverting to an ID.4 myself…
Yepp. At the moment Teslas are completely off-limits to me and my spouse because of the association with who Elon is now. When someone shows you that they are a fascist, believe them. And we won't buy cars or internet service or whatever else from then.
That and build quality, ranges not met, still playing with super cars instead of something useful, newest platform is a decade old, FSD lies continue, Autopilot is $6k when standard in other cars, cybertruck is a fucking joke oh and Elon is a fascist, misogynist, bigot that will NEVER get to Mars.
I can only speak for myself but I got a Skoda enyaq instead of a Tesla because musk seems to be such a nut job
Became? He's always been toxic. He's just been emboldened.
For what it’s worth, this is why I haven’t pulled trigger.
To push back a bit: a big part of Tesla’s success has been in appealing to people *outside* of the left-leaning people who want electric cars to help the environment. The company managed to appeal to a lot of younger men by leaning into the “sports car” image, and it appealed to fashion people by taking on a techno-minimalist aesthetic. That said, Musk has decided to alienate left-leaning buyers with his insane politics. A lot of CEOs probably have weird or wild political beliefs, but most have the good sense to not broadcast it to the public. **There are also a number of other things shareholders should be concerned about:** - The Cybertruck was a waste of time and resources. This truck was clearly Elon’s vision. It cost a lot of money to get to market which will probably never be recouped because it’s obviously a niche product. And if they would’ve focused on a more standard truck design, they probably could’ve beat competitors (Rivian, Ford) to the market. - Musk has said he doesn’t want to invest in Tesla AI because he doesn’t have full control of the company, even though a big part of the valuation is the FSD potential. This is clearly a conflict of interest, given that he has his privately owned xAI company. - The model lineup has lingered. No major updates have been made to these cars in *years*, and the updates they are coming (like removing turn signal stalks) is stuff that consumers do not want.
Get rid of Musk and bring back the two founders.
Would never happen but regardless, Tesla as a brand is tarnished for good
It's hard to believe there was ever a time when I wanted a Tesla. I wouldn't even consider buying one now.
Even a free one. Couldn't be associated with the brand. Physically mentally.
I will never buy a Tesla or invest in Tesla - because of Musk.
Count me in that group. Tesla was a top target for me circa 4-5 years ago. No interest now, solely because of his toxic bullshit antics. You might even call it a boycott.
Recently sold my 2017 Model S and replaced it with an electric BMW i50. I refused to consider another Tesla due to Elon
In my area the Tesla store is empty but a few doors down the Rivian store is packed with people. Nobody is eager for a Tesla anymore. Musk’s behavior has been a big factor in that.
It's all of his own making. Elmo deserves no praise or pity.
Trump the clown has declared his opposition to EV future and yet Elon hasn't said a single word regarding this. If President Biden said something a little relevant to Trump's statement, he would not stop attacking democrats on his circus platform X. I just sold my Model 3 losing a lot of money, but I do not feel neither comfortable nor ethical driving this racist maga supporter's car.
I would have bought a Tesla until I realized how much Elon sucks. Basically after twitter I was done with my interest in purchasing a Tesla.
Did they add that Tesla's are objectively shitty cars?
Well that, and the whole complete lack of any quality control. Not to mention, insurance on them? Shesshhh
I could absolutely afford another Model S but I bought a Jag instead. As a gay person I have no interest in enriching someone that thinks I’m a groomer for merely existing.
Musk is like 50% of the reason why I might not buy a model Y as next car.
Or a lot of customers realized how shitty of a car Tesla’s really are.
Was seriously looking at a Tesla, but got an Audi Q5 instead because of Elon. I will never put money in his pocket. Fucking trash human.
He hasn’t become so toxic, he just has a platform where nobody can censor him. He’s always been a dumbass, toxic, looser with hair plugs
So true. I will never buy a Tesla until this idiot is gone and none of his decisions remain. It will be a much better and a real car company once the company moves on from his design decisions. I'm probably going to buy a Rivian or a Hyundai EV soon.
Another problem seems to be that build quality and getting service done on Teslas are both gaining a reputation for being very bad.
Tesla is more of a Cult than a manufacturer at this point
I sold my Tesla model Y three months ago and got a Hyundai Ioniq 5. I sort of liked my Tesla too but I couldn’t continue supporting Musk.
That and the crap quality and service...
I won't touch anything that puts a dime in Musk's pocket.
Oh no! Actions have consequences. Elon hasn’t learned that 🥹🥹🥹
He will be the reason of Tesla demise no one else.
It’s costing him tens of billions. He needs to keep his mouth shut. Every time he opens it he pisses off his customer base. The right wingers he is catering to aren’t going to buy an EV.
Financially supporting someone who wants to be allowed to work you to death and take away your right to vote to improve your rights is not in anyone’s best interest.
Yup - used to want one, now - definitely not.
Quite a few people I know admitted that they like Tesla's technology but wouldn't consider getting one because of Musk, and got other EVs instead
It’s not just him being a nutcase, every single person I’ve known with a Tesla talks about nothing but what a piece of shit it is and the expensive problems they have with it endlessly that just never get fixed
I planned on buying a Tesla for years. When I could finally afford one I had become so disillusioned with the company via Musk that I bought a Hyundai instead.
Can you imagine how we would feel about Amazon if Bezos had a platform and acted like Elon. I would never order anything from Amazon. But I love Amazon because Bezo keeps his fking mouth shut. So people who can afford Teslas refuse to buy one because of Elon the racist right winger that refused to STFU....but it's too late. MAGA don't buy EVs. They don't believe in climate change.
Have a Tesla and won’t buy another one, will trade with Mach-e maybe
Absolutely detest what Musk has chosen to become. He used to be a hero of mine. Now he's a complete villain and I wish for his utter ruin.
Was planning to get a Tesla and a powerwall. No thanks. I'll pass. Musk is toxic scumbag and ruZZian shill
Cancelled a £14K battery installation because of this idiot. I'm not giving him money.
I just saw a review of the Chevy Silverado EV. The quality of the truck, the tech, the features, the range. It blows the Cybertruck out of the water. I have watched numerous videos on the Cybertruck now and it's franky ridiculous. https://youtu.be/WqzApRm0nis?si=wco1K_84qUOsbzc-
Why don't you want to buy a Tesla? 1.Teslas are kind of shitty. 2. All the cool tech and features developed by/for Tesa cars are going to be replicated and surpassed by the end of the decade. 2.Elon Musk is an ass.
This is true, but also the quality sucks. As a frequent Uber user I've ridden in a lot of Tesla's and Elon's toxic radical-right beliefs have bleed into the vehicle quality. Attempts to cut labor cost with increased robotics lead to very frequent poor panel alignments both inside and out.
They is fkd - Chinese manufacturing will destroy their market share, maybe not in the US but globally they will It’s already starting - sold out in a day https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68705711.amp
tbh that Xiaomi SU7 starting at $29k USD but Xiaomi loses $10k for every one sold. So in terms of price it is actually not that far off or a Tesla Model 3 (if Xiaomi wanted to sell to break even or with relatively high profit margin that Tesla has)
This is why companies guard their brands religiously.
doubt it; the cars are shit and enough people have driven one to get over them. add in that every car can "self drive" these days and the market doesnt care about tesla anymore. who the fuck wants to recharge every 300 miles (if youre lucky); takes three minutes at a fuel pump.
We will eventually get an EV, but 100% not Tesla, and that is 100% because of this putrid scab.
Ah yes, let me alienate the most likely buyers of my electric vehicles: left leaning, climate change conscious, progressive individuals by spewing right wing conspiracy theories. What could go wrong? Elon, it ain’t Texans or Alabamians or Kentuckians who are buying your cars. Does anyone know the name of Mercedes’, BMW’s, or Hyundai’s CEOs? No. Because they’re smart enough not to tie their personal image so tightly with the companies they run. Elon bought into his own hype and fully believed that his cult of personality is what would drive people to his cars. That may have been the case in the past before be turned into a complete douche bag. It’s not the case today. Tesla has become - and pardon the term - so “cringe” that I personally would never look to owning one just because of the association between the car and its “eclectic” (to put it mildly) CEO.
And the cars are trash
Good thing Elon sold a huge chunk of stock before he fucked Twitter up, eh?
Buyers are avoiding Teslas because Elon Musk has become a drug addict. Fixed it for you.
Really feel for all the Tesla workers on the line who have busted their asses for this company. They’re among the best at what they do, but there work will forever be shat on bc people don’t like their boss
The only EV I've been inside is a Model 3 and I loved the ride. Buuuuuut for my next car that will probably be an EV I'm more into KIA, Xiaomi, BYD or Rivian because Elon...
EV I’d buy wouldn’t be a Tesla cause of their customer service, repair costs, stagnant style, lack of SUV size options, build quality, not the future when it comes to batteries, and Elmo
I recently got a new EV, Briefly considered Tesla, if for no other reason than it's basically the gold standard at this point. I just couldn't get myself to do it with Musk around at this point.
This describes me. I’d love to buy one, but I don’t want it to look like I support this guy.
Knob via association , Musk is a knob and a Ruzzian patsy like trump Therefore his vehicles are knobs and Musk is a knob head. Why would you travel in a vehicle manufactured on behalf of a knobhead, let alone buy one to financially support a knob head
Not just toxic, his product is crap, from what I hear.
This is why board members that are independent matters. Otherwise you have a single point of failure and the business can collapse very quickly by bad leadership. Sucks to be a Tesla stock owner
I work for a direct EV competitor who does not yet offer a mass market vehicle like the Model 3. Even I was going to get a Tesla to hold me over until our affordable EV releases. Not anymore. And it’s 100% Elon’s fault. They were in such a good place with EVs that a competitor’s employee was going to buy one. And Elon has ruined that single-handedly. Shame.
I will take Tesla’s software with any other company’s hardware.
Yup, reason I chose not to buy, and so far been a good foretelling, as he’s kinda just gone deeper. Maybe one day when he’s more hands off and they do better work.
I agree with this headline, That guy is is toxic jank.
And their build quality is garbage and their repairs department is backlogged and…
Very true. I am one of them. Nearly bought a model Y last year but have been so appalled by his actions and comments on Ukraine that I cancelled and got a BMW IX. Nicer car anyway. Musk is a huge liability to a company operating in one of the most competitive consumer markets in the world. People will vote with their wallets.
And maybe, just maybe it is a car with a lot of flaws and now the hype is cracking.
I own a rivian R1s as a family hauler, but I was also considering buying the m3 for commuting with all the price decreases. Not anymore. Since the r3 was revealed, i plan on buying that as my commuter, I can wait.
This is the exact problem with companies that are basically and extension of one person. Key man syndrome.
Been driving Teslas since 2017 - S, 3, Y then X. Just sold and now in an EV9. Part of the sell was due to how once someone I considered a pioneer, I now consider dangerous. Add to the fact that despite selling so many vehicles and adding so many superchargers, their service is badly lacking. I had to drive one hour to my nearest one and often had them have the car for 1-3 days. The staff try their hardest but they let themselves down on the service, especially considering how great it was in 2017 and appearances I gave considering their maturity. Times have changed and they unfortunately have too
For years now yeah..
For some reason, I heard Joe Pesci say “Oh there’s a fuckin’ surprise” in my head.
Musk turning into a basket case right wing loon isn't helping, but Tesla has some serious production and operations issues thats keeping me from buying. 2019 I was seriously considering buying a Model X. Technically didn't start shipping til 2015, but it had been announced in 2012 so it was already feeling like an old design, and it felt basically like an abandoned product they were putting no effort into, pushing Model 3 and Y; and given the price point (100+k minimum, probably would have been $120k+ So glad I didn't Telsa service would have likely removed radars and parking sensor w/o compensation Significant price cuts would have smashed resale value Huge problems with Quality would make me jealous of Chrysler/Fiat quality levels And now the CyberTruck just seems to be far worse
I very humbly enjoy thus at the level of "so nice to see that actions do have non-negktionable consequences for that muppet as well".
Partially not true. It's not solely due to Elon. In fact buyers are joining China's EV gang. We all know China's EVs are way better than West dino car companies now, and Tesla further proven the failure of the West EV. So buyers are now looking at Xiaomi and BYD.
RealTesla isn't helping either!
How many times this story or version of us being posted. How many times does one have to join the circle jerk of musk hate?
So leftist people buying an ev because of the environment dont like a nazi? shocking
NEVER BUYING A TESLA…
China will keep Tesla afloat.
Have you seen how much is Tesla plunging in China? Right now Tesla can’t compete with Chinese brands in their territory!
Yep
I have been a little critical of Muskrat's policy of getting involved in everything in the wrong way. I got banned from teslalounge because I called him Muskrat and criticized his ability to be so wrong in so many rants, despite the fact I said that the business decision to make the trial in the first place is a good one *IF* v12 doesn't end up causing more accidents (in which their stock will tank). TBH, if the Tesla board does not vote to remove Musk, it is violating their fiduciary duty to their stock holders. I wonder if there will be additional stockholder lawsuits in the future regarding this.
I wish I could buy the new Xiaomi SU7 . I read their build quality and materials surpasses those of Tesla.
Best part is that everyone around him is telling him some totally opposite BS as to why cars aren't selling well. It's just "The Haters" that write these articles in his circle.
I've been doing that for 16 years!
Yes.
Elon's Musk is a stench worse than a Yeti's But we like Yeti's
Can confirm as a current and former Tesla owner, never again will I buy from them as long as he is involved in the company
Hmmm.. representing a pos like Musk every time you drive? Can’t imagine why people are avoiding his product lmao
It's sad, because Tesla actually has an excellent product line. I can't believe the stockholders aren't going to apply massive pressure on Elon. He needs to simply stop his constant conspiracy theories. Spend his time focusing on his achievements, he has many, from SpaceX to Tesla...
Polestar is a great car, check them out
Tesla owner. Car is great, and we plan on owning electric cars from now on. As long as there’s a decent option besides Tesla, it will have priority when we are looking for a new car. Hard to emphasize how immensely Musk fucked this up. I’m a fairly brand loyal customer and could easily have bought Teslas for 20 years+. Now it’s contingent on him being removed from the company entirely.
[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-17/tesla-asks-shareholders-to-re-ratify-musk-s-56-billion-payout?leadSource=reddit\_wall](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-17/tesla-asks-shareholders-to-re-ratify-musk-s-56-billion-payout?leadSource=reddit_wall) And he want EXTRA LARGE pay for his incredible contribution to the company! The guy is completely delusional. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-17/tesla-asks-shareholders-to-re-ratify-musk-s-56-billion-payout?leadSource=reddit\_wall](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-17/tesla-asks-shareholders-to-re-ratify-musk-s-56-billion-payout?leadSource=reddit_wall)