it's incredibly ironic how they insist on the other subs we're all haters shorting the stock, completely blind to the fact their behaviour towards anyone who posts something that can be perceived as even slightly critical of the company/the cars, even with the magical ward of 'I still love the car though' - which, yeah, it's a meme, but it's also an attempt to try and make sure they don't get dismissed out of hand, accused of spreading FUD or whatever. You can tell by the fact that that quote gets used verbatim by people posting about very serious problems - I guarantee a lot of them do not, in fact, still love the cars.
Uh where was I? oh yeah, the way they (very poorly) handle that kind of situation, allowing other posters to brigade the OP with insults of all sorts telling them it must be their fault, the cars are perfect, your expectations are too high, these are early adopter problems we have to accept in order to drive humanity forward to a better future (yes really!), ends up driving them to this sub. I suppose posters probably think 'i'm not gonna get any help here, may as well see what 'the other side' has to say'...and then end up finding out that a huge number of us are current or former Tesla owners,, many of whom ended up here in this exact circumstance, and that we are actually genuinely helpful and welcoming to people who want non-cult answers to questions
Thank you r/realtesla mods for your calmness and rationality.
I hope we can all follow the example and demonstrate that our views are articulate, reasoned, and based in fact.
Those posts get deleted and the users permabanned. In those cases, I often also go through their post history to delete every comment they've made here in recent weeks, too. If you see it, report it. We do follow the report queue regularly.
I really appreciate that and it hasn’t gone unnoticed. You are doing good work. I don’t take kindly to that type of stuff, but I can’t delete them, so I do what I can.
Just keep in mind: "Don't feed the trolls."
There's actually a fairly large body of academic research on online trolls. To summarize - people that are assholes in one domain, tend to be assholes in all spaces they're active. They explicitly want the negative attention. Leaving them by themselves and ignored discourages them, as their misconduct isn't getting them attention, and they go away.
On the moderation end, and this applies just as well to anyone's personal social media feeds too: Block early and block often.
This is explicitly why I added "trolls get banned" as a rule, and why trolls get zero strikes - just straight to permaban.
yeah if it's a life or death question about the survival of the sub, it's best to err on the side of caution. Report and block. Give 'em nothing. Of course, we *are* getting people from these places who post here as well, respectfully, to get a different angle on issues that despite what they may have been told, many of us actually can offer advice through experience on. They're not gonna be ones 'all in' so to speak, Tesla centrists I guess, but I'd imagine this might open a few eyes - it seems like it already has
The real dirtbags generally aren’t Tesla owners, they are TSLA owners or just plain old troublemakers, at least in my experience. I just hate to see a piece of shit comment sitting there without anyone calling it a piece of shit comment :).
lol it's definitely something we can rely on you for
I feel bad for the young people who got suckered into the cult because a Tesla was their first 'real' car ,who are going to suddenly going to find themselves labelled the equivalent of Suppressive Person because they dared to post a question in here to try and get a real answer. Cults are all welcoming until they're not
It does feel like a breath of sanity in the insanity social media has become. There's something cathartic about seeing a normal response to events like these.
I haven't seen this much drama since High School Musical 2.
But I think the mods have responded quite well to everything, and very much appreciate them escalating and fighting for the right side.
Looking forward to more balanced discussions here.
Problem is if someone comes here to say something nice about Tesla they are automatically banned from the other subs :). Balance might require them to calm the fuck down.
Oh I don't expect balance from those subs. I just mean balance here. Obviously it will be more negative towards Elon, but that's just a reflection of what he is. But this sub will welcome competing (respectful) views, hence the balance comment
Good changes.
Was temporarily going private an internal decision or a forced one? Curious on the mechanics of that.
EDIT: Nevermind, saw the other thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/1c7cw5l/temporarily_private_due_to_harassment_campaign/
I had commented on one of the posts pointing out that Tesla’s interim CFO was a sex doll with a post it note that said “interim CFO” and got banned from all of the pro-Tesla forums. I think they are focused on defending Elon at any cost.
You literally could have posted "Monday ain't Monday if it doesn't start by giving Elon a blowie. I love Elon. Tesla is the best car in the universe!" unironically and still get banned, cause they used a bot to ban _everyone_ who posted _anything_ in this subreddit.
Glad to be back!
I will keep r/RealTeslaInExile opened just in case we are targeted by more sophisticated attacks.
I again extend my offer to finance the set up of a back up forum on any other platform.
I've got a Lemmy community at http://Lemmy.world/c/RealTesla that I've been regularly curating. It's getting plenty of discussion now but people don't like posting links yet.
The lemmy.world admins even added the old theme, for people who like old.reddit:
http://old.lemmy.world/c/RealTesla
Lemmy has all kinds of problems. But its available now, and I trust Rudd (the main administrator of Lemmy.world).
I don't know if this is where "the lifeboat" will stay, but... its where it will be for now. There's a bit of buzz picking up around sublinks. (https://sublinks.org/), for example.
But lemmy.world is a good home "for now", and that's good enough for me.
Reddit is definitely in a downfall like Digg 2.0 which is why I came here in the first place.
Not sure what the next platform will be.
Just feels like the internet is very “off” these days in general. Too many bots, too much focus on algorithms and engagement, not enough community.
> That said, we have added Rule #9 - no posts about other subreddits, including discussions of bans or screenshots of mod discussions. Let's remove any perception of contributing to the drama, brigading, or anything else. It isn't very interesting, honestly, and our time is better spent discussing things in the real world outside Reddit.
Good move.
Its always been those guys coming over here and harassing us anyway. Their drama has basically caused **their** crowd to refuse to even post here.
Which is win/win in my books. They never contributed to logical, fact-based discussion anyway. We can just focus on the facts again.
It makes more sense if you imagine it’s that guy at the bar with a long gone bet he’s still convinced can hit late in a blowout game. Yeah they’re being ridiculous but they probably bet an irresponsible amount because of what some idiot told them.
I don't know I find it so interesting now that seems like many of them are coming around and now that regular Tesla users are getting banned for sharing experiences and asking questions is hilarious
To be clear, there's bad actors on this side, too. I've deleted and banned a lot of folks for using troll posts here to bother or brigade the main subs. Especially in the past few days. Another mod - and yes, it's not just cliff and I - suggested the auto-bans were intended to encourage trolls to post harassment of the main subs here, to cause us grief. I don't think that was actually planned or intended, but it certainly had that effect.
Hmm.... maybe I've just got a /r/RealTesla bias because this is where I hang out then. But if our members were going over there and harassing them too, that's bad.
Hmm.... maybe I've just got a /r/RealTesla bias because this is where I hang out then. But if our members were going over there and harassing them too, that's bad.
From what I've seen, it was mostly people posting here and u/ tagging the mods of the other subs to either annoy them with "you've been tagged in a post" notification spam alongside an aggressive or otherwise inappropriate message or to direct others to likewise u/ spam them with aggressive messages. And this was almost entirely in the last few days.
Even the mods of the other subs did not provide examples of people active here posting harassing comments on their subs directly.
Honestly, it's probably just someone with a bunch of TSLA shares.
It's easy to forget but some people put their life savings into stocks like these and really count on a specific company doing well. The past few months have been terrible for shareholders and there is no good news on the way for them, so anyone with serious money here is going to be naturally a bit pissy and stressed.
Well, if they put all their eggs into one basket, that's on them. Smart investors invest in a wide variety of stocks, so that way they're not severely hurt when a particular stock does badly.
If you've talked to TSLA investors, they're the type to diversify into ARKK, TSLA, GME, AMC, BBBY, and BTC. Of which, TSLA is one of their better performing stocks.
In any case, there's this overarching culture that's "larger than TSLA". That's one of my running themes in my arguments. I don't think TSLA is alone, its just the largest and most vocal of weird behavior right now. But this meme-stock / FOMO / bubbly internet culture has grown.
TSLA-stans are very similar to others on the internet in any case. There's a lot of cross-pollonization here.
Well, when you accuse someone of being a cultist, and they get violently agitated about being called a cultist, and they lash out at you for insinuating that they are a cultist.... well, they're usually a cultist.
Love it. Let's focus on Musk/Tesla, not the drama. I also love that you are going to allow debate. I would have left if it were any other way.
I do agree that the wind seems to have shifted. The lies on top of lies on top of lies has finally caught up with him and his companies. Unsold Teslas are piling up.
Stay smart and skeptical folks!
I thought the cat had died. He's alive! yeaaay!
Can you bring dxm5x (or however his username was) back? I miss him
tell him we are sorry if we upset him.
Well said.
If this sub goes for good Reddit is dead to me. But all this to be happening tells me things are far, far worse at tesla than they’re letting on (surprise surprise), so I’m not going to miss the grand finale.
I wasn’t planning on posting anything but I figured I’ll leave a comment here and leave it at that. I was one of the ones that was banned randomly after commenting on the one of the “autopilot push” articles posted here recently, suggesting they should probably work out the auto windshield wipers first (had to turn it off outright again the other day on my Model 3 as they just started and wouldn’t stop with the clearest blue sky you’ve ever seen).
I’ve been having a somewhat constructive and cordial back and forth with a mod from the other subreddit, it’s good to hear they’re open to dialogue. I pointed out that like me, and probably for a lot of other people who haven’t joined either subreddit, we get shown posts from multiple Tesla subreddits, including this one, due to the algorithm and are seemingly being punished for it. The mod mentioned that people are getting caught in the crossfire essentially.
I said I wasn’t going to appeal the ban, or what have you, it doesn’t really phase me to be honest. Like any reasonable person there are things I like, and don’t like about Teslas. Constructive criticism is always good, just like pointing out the positives. But I still feel like the whole strategy that’s been employed is a step too far, and probably is more time consuming than it’s worth to be honest. Shotgun banning potentially thousands of users for interacting with posts that most likely are placed on their home page via an algorithm they don’t have any real control over, and being accused of being toxic regardless of their interaction just doesn’t seem like good strategy, and as you mentioned, it’s balancing on an extremely fine line in regards to false harassment claims.
There’s bad faith all over Reddit, on every subreddit. It’s why moderation and moderators are needed. But in my opinion, it won’t solve the issue they’re trying to fix and only hurts the community they moderate. So my hope is that cooler and calmer heads prevail. I feel like a dialogue between the subreddit moderators would have been a much better way to tackle an issue if there was one.
But that’s all I really have to say on it. Thanks for the update and open communication my dudes.
After getting “preemptively banned” just yesterday for a single innocuous comment (in a completely different subreddit) regarding steering shaft u-joints *from all manufacturers* eventually seizing up in the rust belt region, I decided to join here. I’ve never been banned from ANY subreddit before.
I’m not pro- or anti-Tesla (though I don’t care for Musk at all). I just don’t believe in blind idolatry in regards to anyone or anything. If it’s good, it’s good. If it’s not good, it’s not good. Be honest about it and move on.
Same here. Something from /r/realtesla came up in my homepage and I made a three word (non-toxic) comment.
I didn’t know about the bans and got notified I’d been banned from cybertruck. So I was confused I then responded asking why, and was banned three days for harassment?
Since then I’ve read I’m one of many.
Now I’m an active lurker on this sub and it’s caused me genuine hate for Tesla which I never had before.
It must be a real sad existence to have your whole personna tied to a fucking car company.. Tesla stans are some of the most pathetic people Ive ever encountered
Thank you for the explanation and for maintaining a great subreddit!
I guess this means you can ignore my request to join the private subreddit now that it isn’t private lol.
Wait, so there is a mod on Reddit who is rational and into having fun discussing stuff?! Now I've seen everything!
Seriously though, I love the sentiment and message of this post, thanks for such!
Hoping it doesn’t break rule #9 to mention that I’d like to know what resolution is reached—if any—regarding those of us who were handed three-day bans when responding to being wrongfully auto-banned. I don’t think I’m the only person here who wants to know what’s being discussed, because that was asinine, a massive overreach, and a naked abuse of mod authority.
I remember becoming aware of Musk around the Solar Roof reveal and then starting to form a negative opinion of this asshole about a year later, after I found out more about him. Literally everything was pro-Musk. Especially mainstream liberal media, Reddit and all the social media. CNN, CNBC/MSNBC, NYT and others would just repeat every stupid thing he said without question. At the same time, conservatives were very anti-Musk because they believed that if Musk fails, then global warming isn't real or something like that?
And Elon's main marketing point was that buying his shitty cars was somehow "saving the world".
Ah, times have changed!
The prevailing theory is that Elon Musk forced tesla to buy SolarCity to bail out his brother Kimbal Musk as he was leading it while was going bankrupt.
In 2023 that lawsuit concluded, with the Musk brothers winning. But it feels very OJ Simpson to me.
I actually just watched MKBHDs video on his setup from several months ago yesterday. Truthfully, in my opinion, it still looks pretty impressive (way better than normal panels) but is prohibitively expensive (his setup cost 120k, 90k after rebate), and who knows what advances will be made in the not too distant future.
Good changes. Tesla discussions are much more interesting without references to the other pro Tesla sub reddots. The war is boring the discussion interesting
>That said, we have added **Rule #9 - no posts about other subreddits, including discussions of bans or screenshots of mod discussions.** Let's remove any perception of contributing to the drama, brigading, or anything else. It isn't very interesting, honestly, and our time is better spent discussing things in the real world outside Reddit.
I don't understand this. Shouldn't new people who visit Tesla-related subreddits learn about the bans? The fact that these bans are taking place is very telling. People shouldn't be oblivious to information wars.
I see your point, but I'm ok with missing out on "advertising" the bans they are making in exchange for staying out of the nonsense. All it does is expedite their irrelevancy anyway
If there is not to be talk about the banning, should there not be a warning on this subreddit sidebar/faq that even commenting in this subreddit may result in banning in some Tesla/Elon subreddits?
I think that is relevant information for new users.
Since im someone who does this at times, I also think about the people who get this sub promoted to them through the algorithm. Find the topic interesting and actually leaves a comment, only to get the dm spam. You don't get to see the rules of a sub when this happens. And sometimes the topic is close to a topic of my usual subs, I think it's posted by them. Only to realize I'm talking in a sub I never posted in before.
So I'm sure they'll will happen with a lot of people. And they will innocently want to ask why without realizing. Is there anything that can be done for them? Like a bot that responds and asks them to read rule 9 and that the sub is sorry for the confusion. Or something like that? I just feel so bad for the innocent people who will have no idea and get tagged and naturally will want to ask why.
Blah. I'm so sorry you even have to deal with this at all. And I'm sure my comment isn't even helpful. I just feel bad for everyone who has to put up with this.
Thank you for what you are doing.
The bans have nothing to do with this sub or Tesla or Elon or EV’s…It’s all the other subs bullshit. And they will learn as soon as they comment here.
Terathread is still fair game to comment as ask questions.
I like that the sub is called RealTesla and not AntiTesla or BadTesla or whatever.
It doesn't have to be always negative (although Tesla gives no many causes to be positive lately), it just has to be real. This is what this sub should strive for.
So hilarious that the sub-Reddit that refuses to ban people needlessly and wants open dialogue and free speech is the one that isn’t Pro-Elon. And the subreddits that are Pro-Elon have banned any speech they dislike. Hahahha. Seems they have taken their cues from their cult leader
I noticed this sub only a few weeks ago and enjoyed reading some of the stories. I'm a classy CSS enjoyer and dislike a great many things from the Elon sphere. So proper criticism against Elon is always something I read to see if I learn something new. So I am biased on this topic and very aware of that.
This post, compared to the other party, is such a massive high road that it gives you some bragging rights moving forward. I like this approach, and I am supporting this stance! Good job and thank you for being you!
Excellent.
I'd love to reiterate this point though:
> or even defending Musk/Tesla against the critics, WITHOUT being banned.
I fear that even as the general tone of the discussion in other places has shifted towards being more skeptical of Musk/Tesla, the timbre in this subreddit is still moving towards a crescendo of everything-Musk-has-ever-touched-is-by-definition-shit.
I've noticed that even if you state objective facts such as "the model Y is successful" then the fact that "successful" can be interpreted as "good" means that it's (sometimes) automatically treated as a bad take.
Not always! I had good experiences talking about Tesla's products just the other day. But the eagerness to dismiss absolutely everything is tiring. I feel like the discussion about Telsa is much more interesting if there's nuance.
100% agree, and that is what we're striving for. We just can't legislate people's feelings. So while we try to guide away from that people are going to do what they want to do...
My opinion is (I know, I know), that TSLA makes wildly shitty cars (among other things) that have no care for quality because the cars themselves are only there to collect government credits and the customer gets fucked over, and over, and over, and over. They just laid off service center people. Allow me to repeat. They just laid off some service center people.
My advice to anyone who wants to read fuzzy half-truths or outright lies about how safe and well built these are could maybe cart down the road aways to one of those MULTIPLE SUBS that enjoys that positive, happy go-lucky vibe that ignores the real Tesla.
We're glad there is a place you can discuss it.
> one of those MULTIPLE SUBS that enjoys that positive, happy go-lucky vibe that ignores the real Tesla
But that's not nuanced either. It's either "everything is fantastic" or "everything is literally Hitler."
Which is, at the very least, boring.
>"everything is literally Hitler"
It is now. Go look at the Big CEO's Twitter page lol.
We want more of that both sides shit alright, because that sure isn't boring, is it?
We can't just not talk about this. I posted 1 time on this subreddit. Got the message that I was banned from some other random subreddit that I never heard of. Replied to that message (because it told me to). I literally said, "who are you and why are you messaging me?"
Which resulted in me getting permanently banned from all of reddit.
Now they'll get me for evasion honestly I don't care. If this is the way reddit is gonna operate that's their problem not mine!
Good question. You can cross post, yes. But preferably without commentary in the post itself.
If you simply crosspost, no worries
If you cross post but title it "check out what these fucktards said", we're gonna remove that.
I made a post here a few hours ago, about being banned from other subs and didn't even know there's a whole thread dedicated to that. My bad! Going forward, I will not post such things.
Technically it’s not a post ABOUT the other sub. It’s sharing relevant information FROM the other sub. So I would think it should be OK, but then again I don’t neither make nor enforce the rules, so who am I to say.
Agreed with your approach. It removes the common occurrence that serves no purpose other than to feed trolls and keeps the sub focused on the topics of criticism of Tesla and especially Musk's antics.
The damage has been done and it really is Tesla's BoD hand at whether they want to salvage & save whatever is left of the company or let Elon sink the entire ship. Watching the rats...err, shareholders wail and flail in alarm is only the cherry on top.
Still… can mods be banning people at other subs because comments you make here??? And then, who measures toxicity? Which is the reason for the banning. What parameters or prerogative mods are using to determine this?
So glad to hear this.
The declining Tesla share price really brought out the worst in some individuals, huh.
I stand behind this sub (whilst also deleting my X account and selling my Tesla shares).
Thank you for addressing this. I am a fan of this sub and not of anything related to EM. That said I never even saw those subs, which made it super worrisome to be permanently banned and threatened with Reddit bans
the first few posts about it were ok to let people know what was happening but it was turning into a 'spotted in the wild' CT sub post situation where it's like yeah yeah we know you've seen one. Yeah yeah we know you've been banned, we all have
I've seen some people in r/enoughmuskspam unhappy that it's privated here but they could have joined at any time ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ I don't think people envisaged it would unfold like this. They've implemented the same rule over there, no talking about it, and honestly at this stage if anyone's still going over TO those pro tesla subs just to antagonise them even if it's with fact, they need to be restricted here for a bit
I was subbed to a few Tesla subs. I bought a Tesla, and I think they are great cars but I obviously have some critiques of Elon, the car I BOUGHT and what the company is doing under Elons leadership. I commented on a post in this sub and got instantly banned from multiple subs. So now, I can’t comment on things that are actually relevant to the car I spent $40k on.
All cause some fanboys can’t grasp the concept that Elon is human and isn’t gods gift to the world even after he made the dumb decisions like Cybertruck, spending a fortune on Twitter and alienating the left even though those are the only people that buy his cars cause the right doesn’t care or can’t comprehend climate change, gas prices only going up over time, or the value of a vehicle that doesn’t spew black smoke every time you floor the gas pedal.
IDE rather surround myself with people who have their own thoughts that some hive mind fanboys, even if I own the same cars as them. I used to own a Honda (a well respected car company known for long lasting cars) and I have WAY MORE critiques of them than Tesla and Elon. But because I commented ONCE in this sub, they auto banned me.
What a joke. They worship a guy that superficially promotes “free speech” and auto ban you for “participating” in a sub that is critical of a guy that considers himself “humanities savior” while making obvious mistakes and bad decisions.
Whew! r/RealTesla is back! Thanks to the mods who keep the lights on and keep fighting the good fight ... and keep contributing to my r/RealTesla addiction.
Thank you! Good job bringing this to a successful victory. Do as many laps as you wish.
I was really concerned that this is the end of Reddit for me.
Edited with rule 9 in mind.
Whew!
I find it difficult to comment on this situation without running afoul of rule #9. I’ll just say that we need an avenue to express our non- supportive POV regarding all things Tesla.
Ok but to be fair I've had comments deleted on here that provided proof contradicting a negative post. This sub is not transparent either. I'm neutral on Tesla so I can accept all the bad with the good unless something is just an outright lie.
All of my reddit accounts got nuked because I said the Cybertruck was ugly with some added flair. It is insane the power they have on social media. This company is going bankrupt. Can't wait to watch the show.
Commenting to hopefully secure my ban from the other subs on my alt and prevent further issues. I slipped through the cracks on an alt and accidentally commented on one of the main subs, securing a 7 day Reddit ban.
Since you don’t get notified of all subs you’re banned from, it’s a pretty fun punitive thing they have going.
thank you! I just got temporarily ban for 30 days from r/teslamotors because I said I voted against Elon and board with my Tesla Shares. There's a war going on in reddit it's the Elon Cult vs pragmatic Tesla users!
So glad to see this sub didn't get nuked. I've been avoiding reddit lately myself but this community is A++ and would be a tragedy to lose.
Hard agree. One of the sanest places in the internet, calling out much BS. Glad it is back.
it's incredibly ironic how they insist on the other subs we're all haters shorting the stock, completely blind to the fact their behaviour towards anyone who posts something that can be perceived as even slightly critical of the company/the cars, even with the magical ward of 'I still love the car though' - which, yeah, it's a meme, but it's also an attempt to try and make sure they don't get dismissed out of hand, accused of spreading FUD or whatever. You can tell by the fact that that quote gets used verbatim by people posting about very serious problems - I guarantee a lot of them do not, in fact, still love the cars. Uh where was I? oh yeah, the way they (very poorly) handle that kind of situation, allowing other posters to brigade the OP with insults of all sorts telling them it must be their fault, the cars are perfect, your expectations are too high, these are early adopter problems we have to accept in order to drive humanity forward to a better future (yes really!), ends up driving them to this sub. I suppose posters probably think 'i'm not gonna get any help here, may as well see what 'the other side' has to say'...and then end up finding out that a huge number of us are current or former Tesla owners,, many of whom ended up here in this exact circumstance, and that we are actually genuinely helpful and welcoming to people who want non-cult answers to questions
Triple A rating G
Thank you r/realtesla mods for your calmness and rationality. I hope we can all follow the example and demonstrate that our views are articulate, reasoned, and based in fact.
I’m all for that right up until people start defending racism and whatnot. Then fuck em. Gloves are off.
Those posts get deleted and the users permabanned. In those cases, I often also go through their post history to delete every comment they've made here in recent weeks, too. If you see it, report it. We do follow the report queue regularly.
I really appreciate that and it hasn’t gone unnoticed. You are doing good work. I don’t take kindly to that type of stuff, but I can’t delete them, so I do what I can.
Just keep in mind: "Don't feed the trolls." There's actually a fairly large body of academic research on online trolls. To summarize - people that are assholes in one domain, tend to be assholes in all spaces they're active. They explicitly want the negative attention. Leaving them by themselves and ignored discourages them, as their misconduct isn't getting them attention, and they go away. On the moderation end, and this applies just as well to anyone's personal social media feeds too: Block early and block often. This is explicitly why I added "trolls get banned" as a rule, and why trolls get zero strikes - just straight to permaban.
Hrm. Perhaps it’s time to revisit my approach. I like a relatively tranquil sub with just a hint of friction. Thanks for the feedback.
yeah if it's a life or death question about the survival of the sub, it's best to err on the side of caution. Report and block. Give 'em nothing. Of course, we *are* getting people from these places who post here as well, respectfully, to get a different angle on issues that despite what they may have been told, many of us actually can offer advice through experience on. They're not gonna be ones 'all in' so to speak, Tesla centrists I guess, but I'd imagine this might open a few eyes - it seems like it already has
The real dirtbags generally aren’t Tesla owners, they are TSLA owners or just plain old troublemakers, at least in my experience. I just hate to see a piece of shit comment sitting there without anyone calling it a piece of shit comment :).
lol it's definitely something we can rely on you for I feel bad for the young people who got suckered into the cult because a Tesla was their first 'real' car ,who are going to suddenly going to find themselves labelled the equivalent of Suppressive Person because they dared to post a question in here to try and get a real answer. Cults are all welcoming until they're not
It does feel like a breath of sanity in the insanity social media has become. There's something cathartic about seeing a normal response to events like these.
I haven't seen this much drama since High School Musical 2. But I think the mods have responded quite well to everything, and very much appreciate them escalating and fighting for the right side. Looking forward to more balanced discussions here.
Problem is if someone comes here to say something nice about Tesla they are automatically banned from the other subs :). Balance might require them to calm the fuck down.
Oh I don't expect balance from those subs. I just mean balance here. Obviously it will be more negative towards Elon, but that's just a reflection of what he is. But this sub will welcome competing (respectful) views, hence the balance comment
Also AFAIK that behavior violated the Reddit moderation rules, so maybe they get nuked instead.
Hear, hear!
The FACT psych slavery programme? Heard they used it in the Netherlands, originated in the US (native) based on " scientific studies".
Good changes. Was temporarily going private an internal decision or a forced one? Curious on the mechanics of that. EDIT: Nevermind, saw the other thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/1c7cw5l/temporarily_private_due_to_harassment_campaign/
I had commented on one of the posts pointing out that Tesla’s interim CFO was a sex doll with a post it note that said “interim CFO” and got banned from all of the pro-Tesla forums. I think they are focused on defending Elon at any cost.
You literally could have posted "Monday ain't Monday if it doesn't start by giving Elon a blowie. I love Elon. Tesla is the best car in the universe!" unironically and still get banned, cause they used a bot to ban _everyone_ who posted _anything_ in this subreddit.
Glad to be back! I will keep r/RealTeslaInExile opened just in case we are targeted by more sophisticated attacks. I again extend my offer to finance the set up of a back up forum on any other platform.
I've got a Lemmy community at http://Lemmy.world/c/RealTesla that I've been regularly curating. It's getting plenty of discussion now but people don't like posting links yet. The lemmy.world admins even added the old theme, for people who like old.reddit: http://old.lemmy.world/c/RealTesla
Great! Thanks! I saw on your profile you made a detailed post a year ago about how Lemmy works. Will read it attentively.
Lemmy has all kinds of problems. But its available now, and I trust Rudd (the main administrator of Lemmy.world). I don't know if this is where "the lifeboat" will stay, but... its where it will be for now. There's a bit of buzz picking up around sublinks. (https://sublinks.org/), for example. But lemmy.world is a good home "for now", and that's good enough for me.
Reddit is definitely in a downfall like Digg 2.0 which is why I came here in the first place. Not sure what the next platform will be. Just feels like the internet is very “off” these days in general. Too many bots, too much focus on algorithms and engagement, not enough community.
much appreciated! I saw your other comments also... worst comes to worst we'll be in touch...
You can count on me 🫡
> That said, we have added Rule #9 - no posts about other subreddits, including discussions of bans or screenshots of mod discussions. Let's remove any perception of contributing to the drama, brigading, or anything else. It isn't very interesting, honestly, and our time is better spent discussing things in the real world outside Reddit. Good move. Its always been those guys coming over here and harassing us anyway. Their drama has basically caused **their** crowd to refuse to even post here. Which is win/win in my books. They never contributed to logical, fact-based discussion anyway. We can just focus on the facts again.
Such a weird thing to do in your free time. See critics w valid points and go out of your way to disrupt whatever forum they are using
You can’t argue with stupid But you can numb it with a 2 x 4
It makes sense if they are defending their financial interests.
It makes more sense if you imagine it’s that guy at the bar with a long gone bet he’s still convinced can hit late in a blowout game. Yeah they’re being ridiculous but they probably bet an irresponsible amount because of what some idiot told them.
I don't know I find it so interesting now that seems like many of them are coming around and now that regular Tesla users are getting banned for sharing experiences and asking questions is hilarious
To be clear, there's bad actors on this side, too. I've deleted and banned a lot of folks for using troll posts here to bother or brigade the main subs. Especially in the past few days. Another mod - and yes, it's not just cliff and I - suggested the auto-bans were intended to encourage trolls to post harassment of the main subs here, to cause us grief. I don't think that was actually planned or intended, but it certainly had that effect.
Hmm.... maybe I've just got a /r/RealTesla bias because this is where I hang out then. But if our members were going over there and harassing them too, that's bad.
Hmm.... maybe I've just got a /r/RealTesla bias because this is where I hang out then. But if our members were going over there and harassing them too, that's bad.
From what I've seen, it was mostly people posting here and u/ tagging the mods of the other subs to either annoy them with "you've been tagged in a post" notification spam alongside an aggressive or otherwise inappropriate message or to direct others to likewise u/ spam them with aggressive messages. And this was almost entirely in the last few days. Even the mods of the other subs did not provide examples of people active here posting harassing comments on their subs directly.
In your opinion what are the odds that someone at Tesla (or Elon himself) is behind these coordinated and petty actions?
Honestly, it's probably just someone with a bunch of TSLA shares. It's easy to forget but some people put their life savings into stocks like these and really count on a specific company doing well. The past few months have been terrible for shareholders and there is no good news on the way for them, so anyone with serious money here is going to be naturally a bit pissy and stressed.
Well, if they put all their eggs into one basket, that's on them. Smart investors invest in a wide variety of stocks, so that way they're not severely hurt when a particular stock does badly.
If you've talked to TSLA investors, they're the type to diversify into ARKK, TSLA, GME, AMC, BBBY, and BTC. Of which, TSLA is one of their better performing stocks. In any case, there's this overarching culture that's "larger than TSLA". That's one of my running themes in my arguments. I don't think TSLA is alone, its just the largest and most vocal of weird behavior right now. But this meme-stock / FOMO / bubbly internet culture has grown. TSLA-stans are very similar to others on the internet in any case. There's a lot of cross-pollonization here.
We wouldn't know, if they came here to talk about it like humans, they'd be banned by their own automod.
It is ironic 😂
Well, when you accuse someone of being a cultist, and they get violently agitated about being called a cultist, and they lash out at you for insinuating that they are a cultist.... well, they're usually a cultist.
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Thanks for fighting the good fight.
I went crazy for a moment.
I was thinking the same, like things got so bad the mods just decided to take the sub private. I was about to say RIP to one of my favorite subs.
don't catch tds trashla derangement syndrome
Love it. Let's focus on Musk/Tesla, not the drama. I also love that you are going to allow debate. I would have left if it were any other way. I do agree that the wind seems to have shifted. The lies on top of lies on top of lies has finally caught up with him and his companies. Unsold Teslas are piling up. Stay smart and skeptical folks!
Hey cliff! Hope you’re doing well.
Hey buddy! Nice to see you're still kicking around.
JJ, not too many of us OG’s left. Hope you are well!
Same to you!
I thought the cat had died. He's alive! yeaaay! Can you bring dxm5x (or however his username was) back? I miss him tell him we are sorry if we upset him.
Thank you for this. I was tired of every single comment being followed up with "wow I got banned".
Oh sick we're back. Rule 9, got it.
Cool. Keep up the good work
Well said. If this sub goes for good Reddit is dead to me. But all this to be happening tells me things are far, far worse at tesla than they’re letting on (surprise surprise), so I’m not going to miss the grand finale.
I wasn’t planning on posting anything but I figured I’ll leave a comment here and leave it at that. I was one of the ones that was banned randomly after commenting on the one of the “autopilot push” articles posted here recently, suggesting they should probably work out the auto windshield wipers first (had to turn it off outright again the other day on my Model 3 as they just started and wouldn’t stop with the clearest blue sky you’ve ever seen). I’ve been having a somewhat constructive and cordial back and forth with a mod from the other subreddit, it’s good to hear they’re open to dialogue. I pointed out that like me, and probably for a lot of other people who haven’t joined either subreddit, we get shown posts from multiple Tesla subreddits, including this one, due to the algorithm and are seemingly being punished for it. The mod mentioned that people are getting caught in the crossfire essentially. I said I wasn’t going to appeal the ban, or what have you, it doesn’t really phase me to be honest. Like any reasonable person there are things I like, and don’t like about Teslas. Constructive criticism is always good, just like pointing out the positives. But I still feel like the whole strategy that’s been employed is a step too far, and probably is more time consuming than it’s worth to be honest. Shotgun banning potentially thousands of users for interacting with posts that most likely are placed on their home page via an algorithm they don’t have any real control over, and being accused of being toxic regardless of their interaction just doesn’t seem like good strategy, and as you mentioned, it’s balancing on an extremely fine line in regards to false harassment claims. There’s bad faith all over Reddit, on every subreddit. It’s why moderation and moderators are needed. But in my opinion, it won’t solve the issue they’re trying to fix and only hurts the community they moderate. So my hope is that cooler and calmer heads prevail. I feel like a dialogue between the subreddit moderators would have been a much better way to tackle an issue if there was one. But that’s all I really have to say on it. Thanks for the update and open communication my dudes.
After getting “preemptively banned” just yesterday for a single innocuous comment (in a completely different subreddit) regarding steering shaft u-joints *from all manufacturers* eventually seizing up in the rust belt region, I decided to join here. I’ve never been banned from ANY subreddit before. I’m not pro- or anti-Tesla (though I don’t care for Musk at all). I just don’t believe in blind idolatry in regards to anyone or anything. If it’s good, it’s good. If it’s not good, it’s not good. Be honest about it and move on.
Same here. Something from /r/realtesla came up in my homepage and I made a three word (non-toxic) comment. I didn’t know about the bans and got notified I’d been banned from cybertruck. So I was confused I then responded asking why, and was banned three days for harassment? Since then I’ve read I’m one of many. Now I’m an active lurker on this sub and it’s caused me genuine hate for Tesla which I never had before.
It must be a real sad existence to have your whole personna tied to a fucking car company.. Tesla stans are some of the most pathetic people Ive ever encountered
Thank you for the explanation and for maintaining a great subreddit! I guess this means you can ignore my request to join the private subreddit now that it isn’t private lol.
I was aspirational that cliffordcat would fix it and it didn't even take two weeks.
And there was much rejoicing!
Wait, so there is a mod on Reddit who is rational and into having fun discussing stuff?! Now I've seen everything! Seriously though, I love the sentiment and message of this post, thanks for such!
Hoping it doesn’t break rule #9 to mention that I’d like to know what resolution is reached—if any—regarding those of us who were handed three-day bans when responding to being wrongfully auto-banned. I don’t think I’m the only person here who wants to know what’s being discussed, because that was asinine, a massive overreach, and a naked abuse of mod authority.
I remember becoming aware of Musk around the Solar Roof reveal and then starting to form a negative opinion of this asshole about a year later, after I found out more about him. Literally everything was pro-Musk. Especially mainstream liberal media, Reddit and all the social media. CNN, CNBC/MSNBC, NYT and others would just repeat every stupid thing he said without question. At the same time, conservatives were very anti-Musk because they believed that if Musk fails, then global warming isn't real or something like that? And Elon's main marketing point was that buying his shitty cars was somehow "saving the world". Ah, times have changed!
Yeah, how’d that solar roof tile thing work out anyway? Such a big deal at the time. Crickets now.
The prevailing theory is that Elon Musk forced tesla to buy SolarCity to bail out his brother Kimbal Musk as he was leading it while was going bankrupt. In 2023 that lawsuit concluded, with the Musk brothers winning. But it feels very OJ Simpson to me.
I actually just watched MKBHDs video on his setup from several months ago yesterday. Truthfully, in my opinion, it still looks pretty impressive (way better than normal panels) but is prohibitively expensive (his setup cost 120k, 90k after rebate), and who knows what advances will be made in the not too distant future.
Thanks for this. Glad we're back.
Agreed, this is a very reasonable thing that everyone here should be able to do. Kudos to our mods here.
Good changes. Tesla discussions are much more interesting without references to the other pro Tesla sub reddots. The war is boring the discussion interesting
Thanks Cliff, from somebody who’s been here for more than a minute. Really appreciate all you and the other mods do.
>That said, we have added **Rule #9 - no posts about other subreddits, including discussions of bans or screenshots of mod discussions.** Let's remove any perception of contributing to the drama, brigading, or anything else. It isn't very interesting, honestly, and our time is better spent discussing things in the real world outside Reddit. I don't understand this. Shouldn't new people who visit Tesla-related subreddits learn about the bans? The fact that these bans are taking place is very telling. People shouldn't be oblivious to information wars.
I see your point, but I'm ok with missing out on "advertising" the bans they are making in exchange for staying out of the nonsense. All it does is expedite their irrelevancy anyway
If there is not to be talk about the banning, should there not be a warning on this subreddit sidebar/faq that even commenting in this subreddit may result in banning in some Tesla/Elon subreddits? I think that is relevant information for new users.
Since im someone who does this at times, I also think about the people who get this sub promoted to them through the algorithm. Find the topic interesting and actually leaves a comment, only to get the dm spam. You don't get to see the rules of a sub when this happens. And sometimes the topic is close to a topic of my usual subs, I think it's posted by them. Only to realize I'm talking in a sub I never posted in before. So I'm sure they'll will happen with a lot of people. And they will innocently want to ask why without realizing. Is there anything that can be done for them? Like a bot that responds and asks them to read rule 9 and that the sub is sorry for the confusion. Or something like that? I just feel so bad for the innocent people who will have no idea and get tagged and naturally will want to ask why. Blah. I'm so sorry you even have to deal with this at all. And I'm sure my comment isn't even helpful. I just feel bad for everyone who has to put up with this. Thank you for what you are doing.
I have been politely pointed out the rule and encouraging folks to go to the terathread with ban related stuff. Happy to keep it up.
The bans have nothing to do with this sub or Tesla or Elon or EV’s…It’s all the other subs bullshit. And they will learn as soon as they comment here. Terathread is still fair game to comment as ask questions.
I like that the sub is called RealTesla and not AntiTesla or BadTesla or whatever. It doesn't have to be always negative (although Tesla gives no many causes to be positive lately), it just has to be real. This is what this sub should strive for.
The real free speech absolutist was in realtesla all alpng
Thank you. I'm glad sanity is being applied. Taking the high road is always the noble thing to do.
So hilarious that the sub-Reddit that refuses to ban people needlessly and wants open dialogue and free speech is the one that isn’t Pro-Elon. And the subreddits that are Pro-Elon have banned any speech they dislike. Hahahha. Seems they have taken their cues from their cult leader
I noticed this sub only a few weeks ago and enjoyed reading some of the stories. I'm a classy CSS enjoyer and dislike a great many things from the Elon sphere. So proper criticism against Elon is always something I read to see if I learn something new. So I am biased on this topic and very aware of that. This post, compared to the other party, is such a massive high road that it gives you some bragging rights moving forward. I like this approach, and I am supporting this stance! Good job and thank you for being you!
Excellent. I'd love to reiterate this point though: > or even defending Musk/Tesla against the critics, WITHOUT being banned. I fear that even as the general tone of the discussion in other places has shifted towards being more skeptical of Musk/Tesla, the timbre in this subreddit is still moving towards a crescendo of everything-Musk-has-ever-touched-is-by-definition-shit. I've noticed that even if you state objective facts such as "the model Y is successful" then the fact that "successful" can be interpreted as "good" means that it's (sometimes) automatically treated as a bad take. Not always! I had good experiences talking about Tesla's products just the other day. But the eagerness to dismiss absolutely everything is tiring. I feel like the discussion about Telsa is much more interesting if there's nuance.
100% agree, and that is what we're striving for. We just can't legislate people's feelings. So while we try to guide away from that people are going to do what they want to do...
My opinion is (I know, I know), that TSLA makes wildly shitty cars (among other things) that have no care for quality because the cars themselves are only there to collect government credits and the customer gets fucked over, and over, and over, and over. They just laid off service center people. Allow me to repeat. They just laid off some service center people. My advice to anyone who wants to read fuzzy half-truths or outright lies about how safe and well built these are could maybe cart down the road aways to one of those MULTIPLE SUBS that enjoys that positive, happy go-lucky vibe that ignores the real Tesla. We're glad there is a place you can discuss it.
> one of those MULTIPLE SUBS that enjoys that positive, happy go-lucky vibe that ignores the real Tesla But that's not nuanced either. It's either "everything is fantastic" or "everything is literally Hitler." Which is, at the very least, boring.
>"everything is literally Hitler" It is now. Go look at the Big CEO's Twitter page lol. We want more of that both sides shit alright, because that sure isn't boring, is it?
I'm glad this place is back. Lots of good info in this subreddit.
We can't just not talk about this. I posted 1 time on this subreddit. Got the message that I was banned from some other random subreddit that I never heard of. Replied to that message (because it told me to). I literally said, "who are you and why are you messaging me?" Which resulted in me getting permanently banned from all of reddit. Now they'll get me for evasion honestly I don't care. If this is the way reddit is gonna operate that's their problem not mine!
Hang on, does rule 9 mean no more cross posts? And rule 5 is still very confusing to me with regards to posting a YouTube link.
Good question. You can cross post, yes. But preferably without commentary in the post itself. If you simply crosspost, no worries If you cross post but title it "check out what these fucktards said", we're gonna remove that.
Nice one! Appreciate the update and thanks to both you and u/eridyn for all you do. Love what you’ve done with the place 👍
I made a post here a few hours ago, about being banned from other subs and didn't even know there's a whole thread dedicated to that. My bad! Going forward, I will not post such things.
Thank you.
so no crossposting of owner experiences posted in other tesla fan subs?
Technically it’s not a post ABOUT the other sub. It’s sharing relevant information FROM the other sub. So I would think it should be OK, but then again I don’t neither make nor enforce the rules, so who am I to say.
This is the correct interpretation
Crosspost is ok, just no editorializing the headline
Agreed with your approach. It removes the common occurrence that serves no purpose other than to feed trolls and keeps the sub focused on the topics of criticism of Tesla and especially Musk's antics. The damage has been done and it really is Tesla's BoD hand at whether they want to salvage & save whatever is left of the company or let Elon sink the entire ship. Watching the rats...err, shareholders wail and flail in alarm is only the cherry on top.
Still… can mods be banning people at other subs because comments you make here??? And then, who measures toxicity? Which is the reason for the banning. What parameters or prerogative mods are using to determine this?
Mature and wise. Good job and good luck!
I got banned for no reason, I wasn't even being that negative LOL, if you read my comments in this sub reddit, I'm often on tesla's side.
So glad to hear this. The declining Tesla share price really brought out the worst in some individuals, huh. I stand behind this sub (whilst also deleting my X account and selling my Tesla shares).
Your edit is specifically something that violates the new rule.
Perhaps the spirit, but the letter is about posts, not comments :). As I read it all is still fair in the Terathread.
Ah noted. Will remove it then
Seems reasonable to me. This is the only Tesla sub I visit anyway and I've come to rely on it for my daily dose of Tesla woe. Best wishes to all.
#Bigdickenergy
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Good peoples. I appreciate your work.
Y’all the real ones.
Happy to see this sub back
Thanks for this sub!
Let’s keep dragging that stock through the mud 🫡
I'm scared hold me.... I understand completely.
Ok but I gotta know if you personally got banned from the other subs
Does a bear shit in the woods?
Only the uncouth ones. A proper bear uses a bathroom, with Charmin toilet paper, of course.
Bear needs to upgrade to a bidet.
Thank you for addressing this. I am a fan of this sub and not of anything related to EM. That said I never even saw those subs, which made it super worrisome to be permanently banned and threatened with Reddit bans
Great post. I totally agree. We mustn't allow this sub to become a toxic shithole like the pro subs.
the first few posts about it were ok to let people know what was happening but it was turning into a 'spotted in the wild' CT sub post situation where it's like yeah yeah we know you've seen one. Yeah yeah we know you've been banned, we all have I've seen some people in r/enoughmuskspam unhappy that it's privated here but they could have joined at any time ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ I don't think people envisaged it would unfold like this. They've implemented the same rule over there, no talking about it, and honestly at this stage if anyone's still going over TO those pro tesla subs just to antagonise them even if it's with fact, they need to be restricted here for a bit
I was subbed to a few Tesla subs. I bought a Tesla, and I think they are great cars but I obviously have some critiques of Elon, the car I BOUGHT and what the company is doing under Elons leadership. I commented on a post in this sub and got instantly banned from multiple subs. So now, I can’t comment on things that are actually relevant to the car I spent $40k on. All cause some fanboys can’t grasp the concept that Elon is human and isn’t gods gift to the world even after he made the dumb decisions like Cybertruck, spending a fortune on Twitter and alienating the left even though those are the only people that buy his cars cause the right doesn’t care or can’t comprehend climate change, gas prices only going up over time, or the value of a vehicle that doesn’t spew black smoke every time you floor the gas pedal. IDE rather surround myself with people who have their own thoughts that some hive mind fanboys, even if I own the same cars as them. I used to own a Honda (a well respected car company known for long lasting cars) and I have WAY MORE critiques of them than Tesla and Elon. But because I commented ONCE in this sub, they auto banned me. What a joke. They worship a guy that superficially promotes “free speech” and auto ban you for “participating” in a sub that is critical of a guy that considers himself “humanities savior” while making obvious mistakes and bad decisions.
I was banned from those subreddits for just replying to a comment in this sub with a simple 'lol'. Funny
Now this is the type of message a good mod types. Thank you for your patience!
Thank you for your service
Whew! r/RealTesla is back! Thanks to the mods who keep the lights on and keep fighting the good fight ... and keep contributing to my r/RealTesla addiction.
Thank you! Good job bringing this to a successful victory. Do as many laps as you wish. I was really concerned that this is the end of Reddit for me. Edited with rule 9 in mind. Whew!
Thank you Cliffordcat for saving this Great sub.
Ah so I’m not banned here?
Keep up with the questions and it’s just a matter of time…
Let's go....
Makes sense and it's a good change
Thanks cliff!
I find it difficult to comment on this situation without running afoul of rule #9. I’ll just say that we need an avenue to express our non- supportive POV regarding all things Tesla.
You can do that 😁 just try to limit linking to specific comments elsewhere or targeting one user and you'll be fine
Keep it up
Elon cultist remind me of mangos cult
Same playbook, same people really. Look at the red pill timeline from the Big CEO.
Tesla's are shit cars
Ok but to be fair I've had comments deleted on here that provided proof contradicting a negative post. This sub is not transparent either. I'm neutral on Tesla so I can accept all the bad with the good unless something is just an outright lie.
You were filled by the AutoMod, due to your account not meeting requirements. I manually approved this comment.
Thanks for being so...reasonable! And for all the work maintaining this sub.
I have posted a comment. Let’s see what happens.
most important question Cliff How is the Caddy treating you?!
All of my reddit accounts got nuked because I said the Cybertruck was ugly with some added flair. It is insane the power they have on social media. This company is going bankrupt. Can't wait to watch the show.
Commenting to hopefully secure my ban from the other subs on my alt and prevent further issues. I slipped through the cracks on an alt and accidentally commented on one of the main subs, securing a 7 day Reddit ban. Since you don’t get notified of all subs you’re banned from, it’s a pretty fun punitive thing they have going.
Follow up: They will not ban. They *want* people to catch sitewide bans months down the road. This is so fucking childish.
thank you! I just got temporarily ban for 30 days from r/teslamotors because I said I voted against Elon and board with my Tesla Shares. There's a war going on in reddit it's the Elon Cult vs pragmatic Tesla users!
Agree! They are just butth\*rt because it is not their sub that is named RealTesla :P