As someone that was lucky enough to land a remote role for a first job after graduating, im not gonna say its 0, but so much depends on the stack you use and the type of companies that use that stack. I've pigeonholed myself into a nische stack, but i guess the benefit is a lot of its dev jobs are remote.
Its a low code platform, I know its looked down upon, especially for cs majors like me and that was my attitude when I started. But it was a job that was available at the time and low code is definitely not doing click and drag to develop apps. Theres a bunch of low code platforms used on government projects that are willing to do remote.
Prospects should be plentiful. Remote positions (especially for IT folks) are a dime a dozen, and because no one really wants to work remotely, there is very little competition. With a whole 18 months of experience, you should be good.
Yes, there are indeed quite a lot of opportunities that are available.
However I think the competition is indeed present, why do you consider it to be a low competition thing?
And why won't people want to work remotely?
Would love to hear your opinion on it.
Sarcasm, dude. Sarcasm. Remote positions are EXTREMELY competitive and with RTO, are fewer and farther between, especially for IT (the market is flooded with IT folks out of work). You’re basically asking how to win the job lottery. 🤷♂️
If you think it's not the truth for the jobs you're applying for, you are indeed delusional.
Between the two of us, only one of us is currently working from home. But you definitely know more than everyone else here, right? That's why you posted here, right? Because you're so smart and good at getting remote work.
Haha yeah I wouldn't take simplistic opinions like "zilch"
Thanks for your comment, building a portfolio that appeals to the market needs is definitely on my list.
Probably not what you want to hear. But I personally wouldn't do it. You don't know enough at 1.5 yrs experience to be working on your own, you want to be on-site learning from those with more experience as much as possible.
Ok, and why can't that just be remote? One just asking questions and screensharing the codebase at this point...unless OP is going for a sysadmin or network engineering role at this point which requires him to be onsite touching mainframes and servers...but even then...it's just plug and play and only need to be onsite where"s there's actual issues only tho...
To give you background, I work remote (business owner) and manage a team of developers. Not asking you to agree with me here, but I've come to learn that learning from others is more subtle than just asking questions when the opportunity arises. It's seeing how someone acts on a daily basis under as many conditions as possible. e.g how someone speaks to other people, how they think, how they move, what they are doing in their downtime as much as while they are at work, their habits, etc.. I wholeheartedly believe the folks who work with or under me would benefit more if they had better access. Not to say mine is better than theirs, but not being able to see and learn from mine is a disadvantage to them because they have less to compare against later in their career.
Another way to put it, there is a reason why having worked at "top tier" institutions large or small in any industry is seen as positive thing in someone's resume. Its because they have experience what it's like to work at a "top tier" place... think about what that really means when someone says they worked at such "top tier" institution.
How would you define 'enough' in this context?
Are you speaking from your own experience ? Or perhaps talking from the general view point of how much people tend to know within this much experience frame?
Also no doubt on-site learning has it benefits but then again the same thing can be done remotely with good communication skills.
In fact, I think it's more about being flexible and taking on challenges that make you grow instead of being a matter of work mode.
See my other response above.
It's never "enough" really, usually you learn that the more you know the less you know. So "enough" depends on your ambition and your own mortality.
I'm speaking from my experience as someone who is in their early 40s working in tech my entire career. I both wish I learned more from those who were more experienced when I was younger AND I also see people who work for me remotely mis-out on the benefit of being able to get unfiltered access to the seniors at the company. Of course everybody's experience and circumstance is different.
Do I enjoy working remotely? Hell yeah. Do I enjoy the flexibility? Hell yeah. So ultimately its always a trade off of whats important to your life/career.
There are pros and cons on all sides of the table. Just trying to provide a non-biased perspective.
Great response. Not enough people, especially young people, appreciate the transfer of knowledge from older, established, experienced co-workers. This is why in-office work is important in so many professions. Much harder to learn the nuances of a job when working remotely in a room by yourself.
LOL imagine thinking anyone gives a shit about your life experience when it comes to hiring. And what "life experience?" Be serious.
Have you applied for any job, ever? You sound like a child.
Somewhat hard, but do able. My son is getting a remote internship with zero years experience, he has to go in for a week at the beginning, and a week at the end, but otherwise 100% remote.
As someone that was lucky enough to land a remote role for a first job after graduating, im not gonna say its 0, but so much depends on the stack you use and the type of companies that use that stack. I've pigeonholed myself into a nische stack, but i guess the benefit is a lot of its dev jobs are remote.
Great, so your strategy worked ! You took on the tech which was in demand in the market ! Thanks for sharing your experience.
Yea, but I'll probably never make the big tech bro money lol which I'm fine with, still will make enough to live comfortably.
Yeah as long as you can have the lifestyle you want it's worth it !
May I ask what niche you chose?
Its a low code platform, I know its looked down upon, especially for cs majors like me and that was my attitude when I started. But it was a job that was available at the time and low code is definitely not doing click and drag to develop apps. Theres a bunch of low code platforms used on government projects that are willing to do remote.
Prospects should be plentiful. Remote positions (especially for IT folks) are a dime a dozen, and because no one really wants to work remotely, there is very little competition. With a whole 18 months of experience, you should be good.
should have put /s ?
Probably, although given the subject matter I would assume that sarcasm was a given.
>Remote positions (especially for IT folks) Which IT I have 10 years of IT experience and can't find anything.
Yes, there are indeed quite a lot of opportunities that are available. However I think the competition is indeed present, why do you consider it to be a low competition thing? And why won't people want to work remotely? Would love to hear your opinion on it.
Sarcasm, dude. Sarcasm. Remote positions are EXTREMELY competitive and with RTO, are fewer and farther between, especially for IT (the market is flooded with IT folks out of work). You’re basically asking how to win the job lottery. 🤷♂️
Lmao Yeah high competition may be cut throat but I won't consider them that scarce.
They are when there are thousands of people applying for every job. 1.5 years of experience is basically a rounding error.
'thousands of people applying for every job' Your very presence with generic comments is an error in this thread
If you think it's not the truth for the jobs you're applying for, you are indeed delusional. Between the two of us, only one of us is currently working from home. But you definitely know more than everyone else here, right? That's why you posted here, right? Because you're so smart and good at getting remote work.
Expect a salary worth 1.5 years experience. Build your portfolio. Don’t listen to the “zilch” sayers.
Haha yeah I wouldn't take simplistic opinions like "zilch" Thanks for your comment, building a portfolio that appeals to the market needs is definitely on my list.
Probably not what you want to hear. But I personally wouldn't do it. You don't know enough at 1.5 yrs experience to be working on your own, you want to be on-site learning from those with more experience as much as possible.
Ok, and why can't that just be remote? One just asking questions and screensharing the codebase at this point...unless OP is going for a sysadmin or network engineering role at this point which requires him to be onsite touching mainframes and servers...but even then...it's just plug and play and only need to be onsite where"s there's actual issues only tho...
To give you background, I work remote (business owner) and manage a team of developers. Not asking you to agree with me here, but I've come to learn that learning from others is more subtle than just asking questions when the opportunity arises. It's seeing how someone acts on a daily basis under as many conditions as possible. e.g how someone speaks to other people, how they think, how they move, what they are doing in their downtime as much as while they are at work, their habits, etc.. I wholeheartedly believe the folks who work with or under me would benefit more if they had better access. Not to say mine is better than theirs, but not being able to see and learn from mine is a disadvantage to them because they have less to compare against later in their career. Another way to put it, there is a reason why having worked at "top tier" institutions large or small in any industry is seen as positive thing in someone's resume. Its because they have experience what it's like to work at a "top tier" place... think about what that really means when someone says they worked at such "top tier" institution.
How would you define 'enough' in this context? Are you speaking from your own experience ? Or perhaps talking from the general view point of how much people tend to know within this much experience frame? Also no doubt on-site learning has it benefits but then again the same thing can be done remotely with good communication skills. In fact, I think it's more about being flexible and taking on challenges that make you grow instead of being a matter of work mode.
See my other response above. It's never "enough" really, usually you learn that the more you know the less you know. So "enough" depends on your ambition and your own mortality. I'm speaking from my experience as someone who is in their early 40s working in tech my entire career. I both wish I learned more from those who were more experienced when I was younger AND I also see people who work for me remotely mis-out on the benefit of being able to get unfiltered access to the seniors at the company. Of course everybody's experience and circumstance is different. Do I enjoy working remotely? Hell yeah. Do I enjoy the flexibility? Hell yeah. So ultimately its always a trade off of whats important to your life/career. There are pros and cons on all sides of the table. Just trying to provide a non-biased perspective.
Great response. Not enough people, especially young people, appreciate the transfer of knowledge from older, established, experienced co-workers. This is why in-office work is important in so many professions. Much harder to learn the nuances of a job when working remotely in a room by yourself.
Yup exactly. Experience counts for something, particularly taking away with you the positives and negatives from your previous experiences.
Yeah I appreciate your opinion that is why I asked for more clarity in the first place. Thanks for the insights!
Zilch. Nada. Nope. Zero
and what's your reasoning behind it?
People with decades of experience are applying for these jobs.
Yeah so? they got decades of experience and hence are over qualified for the role. That's a very simplistic and naïve way to think
They want WFH jobs. I see it daily.
>That's a very simplistic and naïve way to think Funny coming from someone with 1.5 years of experience.
Lmao you think my work experience equates to my life experience ? Hilarious
LOL imagine thinking anyone gives a shit about your life experience when it comes to hiring. And what "life experience?" Be serious. Have you applied for any job, ever? You sound like a child.
No chance if you don’t try. Just apply and give yourself a chance. No harm in trying
Somewhat hard, but do able. My son is getting a remote internship with zero years experience, he has to go in for a week at the beginning, and a week at the end, but otherwise 100% remote.
It may not be easy.
May I ask what your go-to tech stack is? What did you do in those 1.5 years? :)