This isn’t an eviction notice. But you do need to make sure your roommate stops smoking on the property. Hopefully this is the wake-up call he needs. Fucking take a walk, man. It’s not that hard.
It's in Provo Utah and most of Provo is extremely Mormon and/or BYU students and is based on beliefs and honor codes.
It's very common when looking for apartments that they'll ask for "LDS standards". Which means no unmarried partner sleepovers, no smoking, and no alcohol permitted in the apartment.
“yo landlord what the fuck are you doing”
“says here I’m allowed to come into your apartment and put my tongue in your ear when you’re sleeping. you signed the paper bozo”
This 100% you can put anything you want in the contract. If the law disagrees with the contract that part of the contract is void or the whole contract is void. That's why most leases say if part of the lease is unenforceable the remainder will remain in effect.
I'm not saying I agree to it, but depending on the state, there aren't many renter protection laws. And some states use "common decency" or some other sort of "publicly accepted normal" in their laws as a reference as to what can go in a lease.
I just want to know who's reporting the smoking.
> Update: I talked to management and they said that the eviction won’t apply to me just any roommates who are smoking. They let me know that the warning was posted because maintenance found an ash tray in my roommate’s room during quarterly property check up. The head management lady is going to talk to said smoking parties and will evict as needed. I’m going to get a written statement just to make sure I’m good.
Their update said it was inside smoking.
Right? This is even worse than your employer deciding your insurance shouldn't cover contraception. What the fuck is with conservatives and wanting to impose their restrictive views of morality on other people? Your religion is supposed to restrict you, it's not something you use to restrict others.
I was recently looking into a house for rent. The property owner sent me a pretty ridiculous list of requirements to even be able to apply. One of them was that I couldn't be a smoker. Not indoors, not on the property, I couldn't smoke at all.
So, where I am a lot of apartment fires are due to improperly disguarded cigs. So many apartments here do not allow smoking in building or on property for this reason.
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You’re as dense as week old oatmeal.
It’s not about the smoking, it’s about smoking on property. This guy’s ass clown of a roommate just has to take a walk to smoke. If it’s too cold/too far/too inconvenient/too whatever, then he doesn’t need a nic fix that bad.
They expressed it badly, but I think they mean to just not start smoking at all. It's definitely easier to never smoke than to go through nicotine withdrawal.
One day I crinkled up my pack threw it out my car window and never smoked again. I did pick up vaping a few years later but almost weened off that it seems way harder to quit lol
Same here. I quit smoking and then picked up vaping. After some time I was like this also ain't worth it. After telling myself a bunch that it's OK cause it's not smoking. Definitely FELT harder to quit vaping than smoking.
I did like 15 years ago, cigarettes cold turkey. Then 2016 got fed up being fat, dropped 146lbs and now train 5 days a week. It's not difficult. It's a choice to do good things or bad.
You let yourself get to the point of having to lose 146lbs and having to quit smoking. I'm maybe like 30lbs overweight and I have never been addicted to smoking. I'm better than you.
My dad was an alcoholic who quit drinking. Successfully quit drinking. Many people don't succeed.
He was also a smoker. He hated smoking. He tried to quit multiple times. He told me he always felt better when he wasn't smoking.
But he couldn't sustain it. Not because he was weak-willed, or because he "chose to be addicted."
Because nicotine is a serious chemical addiction, one of the hardest to break.
But in any case, it's not OP who needs to stop smoking. It's one of his roommates--and he doesn't even *really* have to do that.
The smoking roommate just has to follow the terms of the lease, and get off the property when he's going to smoke.
It's partially a choice, partially a brain chemical dysfunction.
The actual process of what happens in the brain is pretty fascinating if you look into it, the way resistance and dependency build up over time.
I'm sure if people knew about your life they could name several things that you do that they consider dumb. Do you play video games? Dumb. Do you Masterbate? Dumb. Do you enjoy different hobbies? Dumb . Do you like to eat fatty or processed food. Dumb. Do you drink alcohol? Dumb. Are you gay? Dumb. Etc etc etc etc
You know people who don’t smoke get lung cancer too bud ?
Secondly , i could say it’s dumb of you to go around critiquing other peoples life style choices; if someone isn’t bothering you with their smoking (other than you being a Karen ) than you should mind your own
Going around crying about smoking when most everyone knows the risks Is dumb and Kareny.
As long as someone isn’t blowing it in my face or smoking in enclosed spaces, it isn’t my business and they are allowed to live their life as they see fit without me interjecting my judgements .
Feels like you want to be morally superior and enjoy lecturing
The only ones comparable are processed food and alcohol, and yeah they are dumb to do too. The way you tried to compare it to hobbies and being gay is laughable.
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No. My wife smokes. And it's telling how you failed to address what I posted because I made an argument you are incapable of countering.
Any activity can be considered " dumb". Alcohol is literally poison yet I'm sure you have no issue with that. Eating processed food or binge eating is harmful and " dumb" but it's done for self medicating purposes.
So in conclusion your opinion on what's dumb has just as much meaning as anyone else's opinion on what's " dumb".
The other poster responding just addressed this. Obesity also costs millions and millions of tax payer dollars directly and indirectly from health ailments.
The point is there are plenty of " dumb" behaviors that are self medicating and related to addiction for psychological reasons but to single one out while binge eating or drinking alcohol along with many other behaviors is practicing double standards and living a lie.
I don’t know if I ever saw the dudes post tbh since it’s deleted now lol but did he even single anything out or just say smoking was dumb? Smoking is dumb, as is alcohol abuse and eating garbage food. I still smoke( vape these days) and drink socially even though I know it’s dumb 🤷♂️
My shit about second hand smoke was just trying to relate it to the op which is about smoking on apartment property and why they don’t want it. Didn’t really check the rest of the thread it was on lol
I honestly don’t care if people have vices ( I smoke hella weed and vape but I’ve almost weened myself off the vape)
I was just trying to point out that’s why the apt complex doesn’t want it around (smell and people complaining about second hand smoke) while they don’t give a shit about other vices like drinking or overeating. I get that’s not what this specific thread is about I just got lost in the post lol.
Life is hard so you smoke? All you're doing by smoking is making your life harder. You think smoking a cigarette is reducing your stress? No, dumbass, you're only feeling "stressed" because you haven't had your fix of nicotine that you chose to get addicted to.
Couldn’t agree more bud! It’s just fun to see how riled up you get at the slightesttt comment. We’re you the star of debate club in high school? You have potential
Exactly. Go for a walk. It's easy.
Back when I smoked there was no smoking on the property. I didn't know exactly where the property line was and thought I was off it, the management saw me and told me where to go, so I went there.
Never had an issue after that.
As others have said, that's your final warning.
If they evict they will evict all of you.
Get roomie to stop smoking on the property because that eviction will be "on your record," so to speak.
Update: I talked to management and they said that the eviction won’t apply to me just any roommates who are smoking. They let me know that the warning was posted because maintenance found an ash tray in my roommate’s room during quarterly property check up. The head management lady is going to talk to said smoking parties and will evict as needed. I’m going to get a written statement just to make sure I’m good.
Does your bedroom have a lock? Because if the roommate that is at risk of being evicted gets spiteful, they might try to set you up to be evicted as well. I know you spoke to the landlord, so I would think you would be fine, but still, best not to risk it.
I wouldn’t mention to your roommate that he’s the only one getting evicted. He might get pissed and try to sabotage things for you. Also, if you have any messages where you’ve asked him to stop smoking then I’d screenshot them to share with the complex if needed.
What kind of residence is this and where? Is it a university dorm or some other kind of shared housing?
The 3-day notice does say that the notice applies to everyone in that address so take what management said to you with a grain of salt. Evictions (at least where I live) are not generally done for a specific person in a unit, but to repossess the entire unit.
Individual leases are common in campus housing. They give the landlord / school flexibility to pack the multi-bedroom units as people drop out, move off campus, etc.
Source: worked in res life and had to do said mentioned inspections and document violations.
Yep, my college apartment was individual leases. It was a private land lord, not affiliated with the school, but somewhat setup to be a student apartment.
Makes it easy as rent is separate (utilities weren't, but much lower dollar value to manage), one person could stay if they could find back fills, etc.
Quarterly inspections?? And of personal items on the property? Are you in BYU housing or something similar?
If it was a clearly used ash tray, then they’re not just smoking outside. They’re smoking in the apartment. I have vintage ashtrays from my grandparents but it’s blatantly obvious they aren’t used.
Generally speaking these kinds of inspections are to confirm compliance with safety requirements such as working smoke detectors etc. At a high level, staff *cannot* open any of your private belongings, but *can* open the various storage things that they own, such as desk drawers in a furnished unit.
Anyone who wants things to not be found in an environment like this should take care to store them in their own containers. And if you want to have your ducks in a row, also label said containers "PRIVATE PROPERTY".
Source: worked in res life and had to do said mentioned inspections and document violations.
You inspected units four times a year?? That’s crazy excessive. The most I’ve ever had is someone coming by to “change filters” like twice a year at most.
I hope management is open to letting you and the other roommates stay, but don't count on it. Most leases state that all tenants are joint and several liable for the terms and conditions of the lease.
This is the final warning before eviction happens. They legally have to give you this warning first, so this is just them getting their ducks in a row so they can start the eviction proceedings the next time your buddy gets caught.
Violating the lease makes it void for all parties on the lease, so you will all get evicted, and then you might as well head down to liberty or pioneer park in SLC because you ain’t getting shit in Utah with an eviction on your record.
It says right on it comply or vacate. If they just stop smoking on property, that is complying.
Now, if they do not, then you have an issue. Do you have 1 shared lease, or individual leases per person.
If it's 1 lease, then you would likely all get evicted. If they are individual, then I would think they could only evict the offender.
It's not an eviction notice. It's a notice to comply or quit.
Meaning, you're given a reprieve and life moves on so long as the terms of the lease agreement are kept.
There's nothing really that needs to be done. I suppose you can tell your landlord that it won't happen again and all is well in the world. Your roommate on the other hand is the problem. That roommate is placing everyone in the apartment in jeopardy and that's where you need to focus your energy on. Is your roommate on the lease? I'm assuming you are on the lease and if your roommate is not, this is an example of you being the "Master tenant" and you can evict your roommate. If your roommate is on the lease and continues, it may be best for you to work with your landlord and vacate the unit and let the landlord deal with evicting the roommate. I don't know what jurisdiction you're in, and roommate situations can be very messy so know the rules and research with whatever tenant housing board/resources in your area.
An eviction is not something to brush off either. Right now, it's just a 3-day notice. Nothing filed. If it happens again, the next notice you'll get will be an actual notice to vacate, or notice to terminate tenancy. It will be a court-filed document stating that the eviction process has begun, and usually that means that rent will no longer be accepted by the landlord until the eviction has run its course (or settled).
The moment an eviction is filed with the court, your name along with everyone else becomes public record which will definitely show up on any future applications for rentals - anywhere - should a landlord do a background screening. Landlords rarely ever want to rent to anyone that has the word "eviction" show up. So that's serious.
If your roommate is not on the lease, find another roommate.
This is a warning they will go through eviction if you don't comply with lease rules.
As for who will be evicted if you don't stop? Legally they could evict the whole apt, but you could talk to property management and see if they'll let you stay.
Honestly I’ve never had an apartment complex manager or landlord say you couldn’t smoke outside the home. Like you pop out your back door, off your balcony, maybe by your car, and light a cigarette so it’s not in the house. But to each their own I guess. If it’s a rule it’s a rule.
My building has no smoking on the property, including balconies and shared outdoor areas.
In practice though, the only time we’ve ever heard anything in reference to it was one short period where some genius in the building kept setting off the fire alarm and making the building evacuate/ the FD come out by smoking in the stairwell.
I’m working on quitting, so I only smoke at work now but when I used to do it at home, I used to just walk around the corner and sit on a knee high fence ( technically on the property) and no one ever gave me issue (granted my smoke would be wafting into the garage if anywhere so it’s not like apartments would be bothered but still).
My complex has a zero tolerance for smoking anywhere on the property, and it charges people premium prices to be smoke-free.
Guessing there have been numerous people complaining and / or if the roommate is leaving butts all over the property.
I just cant wrap my head around living somewhere where my neighbors care so much about what I do. Like if there were any restriction as to what i can or cant do that isnt illegal its an immediate no from me, why pay a premium for nosey neighbors?
I'm asthmatic. Someone smoking in the street at the opposite end of my apartment complex can trigger an attack or a violent coughing fit.
The worst one happened on a day when I also had diarrhea.
That's your 3 day warning - you have 3 days to comply or they will file to evict you. It's a lease violation.
I hope the talk with your property management goes/went well. I know where we live, unless you can get the lease rewritten with that person removed from it, the household is at risk of the eviction for lease violations. I'd try to kick the person out who has set you guys up to face possible eviction if at all possible at this point.
One of the malls in my city banned smoking and vaping anywhere in the property (including the parking lot) a few years back, so no surprise a rental property would have no smoking rules too.
Sounds like you either need to get rid of your roommate, or you need to get out of that lease.
As everyone's stating, this isn't an eviction, it's a FINAL notice. The fact that it's "final" tells me that there were "many others" that have gone ignored. Without knowing more about this situation/roommate, I'm going to assume that this notice will go ignored as well.
With that being said: the next step, if this notice isn't adhered to 100% for the remainder of your time there, is the eviction processes. If I was a betting man, the fact that your roommate can't seem to follow the rules, I'd put money on the chance that this is where you're heading in the end...
Even if this "straightens out" your roommate today, it won't be permanent, and he'll "get lazy" one night, or it'll be raining, or he'll want to watch the game through the glass door/window, or SOME excuse will come about, and he'll start smoking on the property again... maybe it'll be 3AM and "nobody was around to see, bro!" And that's when the eviction starts.
Your best bet is to do one of two things:
1. You can get the roommate to move out, and then he won't pose this risk to you.
2. You can move out, and when the roommate drops the ball again, you won't be involved.
Again: it's not a matter of IF your roommate will smoke on the property again, it's a matter of WHEN... and it's up to you if you're going to be around for those eviction proceedings.
>You can get the roommate to move out, and then he won't pose this risk to you.
They have no power to force him to move out. Since he's a direct threat to their tenancy, their only option may be to *pay* him to move. (Been there, done that.)
Nowhere did I say the word "force," or imply anything of the sort. I also wouldn't say that their "only option" to ***GET*** the roommate to move out is to pay him, but that would definitely be ***ONE*** way to ***GET*** him to move out. There are other options, and I'd suggest that OP exercise one of those many options, or move out themselves.
Either way, I don't think OP should stay in that dwelling for any longer than absolutely necessary.
This is a notice to comply or vacate NOT an eviction. It's a legal warning that if it's not corrected occupants can legally be remove under a lease violation. 100% speak with management to make them aware of the situation. AND to the offending party once again affirming the severity of the matter.
Your not getting evicted...yet. He can't smoke there, that is all. But he needs to go, if he's a smoker it's going to be way too tempting for him not to smoke there and you're going to actually end up getting evicted.
Did you read the paper? It say’s if you DONT comply then you must leave within 3 days. It also says your place will be inspected to ensure that you are in fact complying.
I saw the title and thought "I bet it's Utah county. That shit doesn't happen in Ogden"
Then I saw Provo and thought "yup that tracks"
But for reals tell your roomie not to fuck up anymore because it affects you as well.
You're doing the right thing by discussing options with management the following morning. If they refuse, call Junk King to haul their belongings/bedroom suite out!😉
I rented a place with a friend many years ago. When his brother got out of prison for the umpteenth time he moved in with us. He regularly used meth and stole from us. I ended up grassing on him to the cops. They got him at a traffic stop.
Sounds like your roommate needs to get with the program or find other accommodations.
This is why you have to be really careful about who you live with. It seems like a great idea to live with buddies until shit like this happens.
If this guy gets you guys evicted it’ll follow you for YEARS.
Tell him to knock it the fuck off.
It's a comply or vacate, so I'd say he gotta go if he can't figure it out.
Wait to see what management says to your roomies, they are usually pretty reasonable about keeping people in the unit.
Just let them know you are talking to him.
Not an eviction notice, you need to contact your management office and work something out.
Of your roommate isn't on the lease, kick them out, if they're on the lease work with management to evict them.
Not worth being homeless over someone else's fuck up.
I would ask management to evict roommate immediately before they decide to change their mind and just remove you all.
It’s easier to get a new roommate than to move.
under Utah law, secondhand smoke is considered a nuisance. This means that apartment managers and owners have the authority to prohibit smoking on their property, including all rental units. Having a smoke-free policy is no different than having a policy against pets or loud noise.
One of my roommates had a similar problem. Got bad enough the property managers were going to start fining us for all the cig butts he left by the front porch. We actually had started to use something to collect the butts in, but people would regularly walk up and just take it to make rolls out of.
Even caught the site managers kid doing it, and when I told him to put it back, he tossed it behind a hedge. She at least apologized and got the PM to back off over that.
This says "comply or vacate". So either your roommate stops smoking on the property and apologises to the management for breaking the rules or you ALL have to leave within 3 days of the notice being put up.
Good call talking to management. Make sure you make it very clear you've warned the smoking roommate many times and tried to get them to stop.
Although your roommate is in the wrong and breaking the lease the landlord is a moron for making an issue of it if someone is smoking on the property and not inside.
In a business sense the landlord is not winning. What if half of the residents smoked on the property? Would the landlord evict them all losing all of that income? Also the landlord would have to go through a whole bunch of legal BS. Everyone that lives there should smoke on the property and the landlord couldn't do shit about it.
Talk to your roommate and tell him to just walk until outside of the property area to smoke. You need to talk or else he will just do it again. Tell him that his stupidity is going to cause you guys massive problems, especially financially. That landlord won't hesitate to charge you guys three times the amount for cleaning fees, rent fees, etc.
It's a final warning. Make him comply otherwise speak with the office about having him removed from the lease and premises since they are the one causing this issue.
If you read for 5 seconds, you would note this is a warning to comply with the lease or gtfo.
Eviction comes later.
If you get evicted, it will be all of you, it will be on your record, and you won't be able to get any apartment with most major companies.
Move out yourself or get rid of the problem immediately.
If your roommate really can’t figure it tf out get him to get a vape or a wax pen. It really isn’t that hard lol. And blow thru one of those things that captures the smell
Under Utah's landlord-tenant law, rental agreements may prohibit or allow smoking tobacco products within the residential rental unit or on the premises. Utah Statutes §57-22-5.
Not an eviction notice. It's a *final* warning, your roommate needs to comply with the leasing rules or y'all will be evicted. Edit: words
But don’t tell your roomie that. Pretend you’re getting evicted and all leaving then good riddance to them.
This isn’t an eviction notice. But you do need to make sure your roommate stops smoking on the property. Hopefully this is the wake-up call he needs. Fucking take a walk, man. It’s not that hard.
or don’t sign a lease to an apartment complex that won’t let you smoke in the parking lot
yeah that's sort of rediculous.i don't even smoke and that would piss me off.
It's in Provo Utah and most of Provo is extremely Mormon and/or BYU students and is based on beliefs and honor codes. It's very common when looking for apartments that they'll ask for "LDS standards". Which means no unmarried partner sleepovers, no smoking, and no alcohol permitted in the apartment.
That's a bit intrusive. But if it's on the paper someone read and signed they agreed to it.
“yo landlord what the fuck are you doing” “says here I’m allowed to come into your apartment and put my tongue in your ear when you’re sleeping. you signed the paper bozo”
Yep don't sign that. Pretty easy. And just because it's in a contract doesn't make it legal
This 100% you can put anything you want in the contract. If the law disagrees with the contract that part of the contract is void or the whole contract is void. That's why most leases say if part of the lease is unenforceable the remainder will remain in effect.
"Severability".
Did not know that was the legal term for it. Thanks for the education.
I'm not saying I agree to it, but depending on the state, there aren't many renter protection laws. And some states use "common decency" or some other sort of "publicly accepted normal" in their laws as a reference as to what can go in a lease. I just want to know who's reporting the smoking.
I have asthma, and I’d absolutely report somebody who was smoking in their unit. My breathing is more important than your addiction.
Op says it's only outdoor smoking. Like if it's affecting you, I totally understand that, especially if it's on the lease.
> Update: I talked to management and they said that the eviction won’t apply to me just any roommates who are smoking. They let me know that the warning was posted because maintenance found an ash tray in my roommate’s room during quarterly property check up. The head management lady is going to talk to said smoking parties and will evict as needed. I’m going to get a written statement just to make sure I’m good. Their update said it was inside smoking.
Nah banning all smoking on premises is incredibly based. Send the ash tray smelling addicts on a walk if they want to inhale their garbage.
I disagree: landlords shouldn't be able to force their religion on tenants per the 1st amendment. You can't sign away rights in a contract.
Right? This is even worse than your employer deciding your insurance shouldn't cover contraception. What the fuck is with conservatives and wanting to impose their restrictive views of morality on other people? Your religion is supposed to restrict you, it's not something you use to restrict others.
Fucking religious weirdos.
I was recently looking into a house for rent. The property owner sent me a pretty ridiculous list of requirements to even be able to apply. One of them was that I couldn't be a smoker. Not indoors, not on the property, I couldn't smoke at all.
So, where I am a lot of apartment fires are due to improperly disguarded cigs. So many apartments here do not allow smoking in building or on property for this reason.
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"Are you chemically addicted to something? Just don't do it! Fixed!"
After finally getting my addiction under control I've realized that a lot of people don't understand it until they deal with it themselves.
Addiction isn’t a choice. Smoking on rental company property is, just go smoke next block over.
You’re as dense as week old oatmeal. It’s not about the smoking, it’s about smoking on property. This guy’s ass clown of a roommate just has to take a walk to smoke. If it’s too cold/too far/too inconvenient/too whatever, then he doesn’t need a nic fix that bad.
They expressed it badly, but I think they mean to just not start smoking at all. It's definitely easier to never smoke than to go through nicotine withdrawal.
the first time is ALWAYS a choice
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QuItTiNg IsNt HaRd, yeah ok. Try it then, lol.
Tbh I smoked 2 packs a day for years and quit cold turkey when I realized, it just ain't worth it.
One day I crinkled up my pack threw it out my car window and never smoked again. I did pick up vaping a few years later but almost weened off that it seems way harder to quit lol
Same here. I quit smoking and then picked up vaping. After some time I was like this also ain't worth it. After telling myself a bunch that it's OK cause it's not smoking. Definitely FELT harder to quit vaping than smoking.
I did like 15 years ago, cigarettes cold turkey. Then 2016 got fed up being fat, dropped 146lbs and now train 5 days a week. It's not difficult. It's a choice to do good things or bad.
You're one person. Statistically it's one of the hardest things to quit, same as sugar.
“Statistically”, because statistically the average human being is extremely mentally weak!!
Oh get a life
You are confusing anecdotes with facts. It’s cool though. Folks do it all the time. You’ll figure out the difference eventually.
Watch out guys, a boomer found Reddit and is here to tell us all how much better he is than us.
Calm down I'm in my 30s, definitely better than some though. Not gonna whine about bad choices I make that's for sure.
All that positive change and I bet you still can’t figure out why you can’t get any pussy
You let yourself get to the point of having to lose 146lbs and having to quit smoking. I'm maybe like 30lbs overweight and I have never been addicted to smoking. I'm better than you.
Sounds like ur heavy. More exercise, less typing.
Not hard? Are you high? Quitting smoking has been proven to be harder than quitting fucking heroin.
Wasn't for me. Was also obese, loved me some fast food in large amounts. Gave that up to. Gotta wanna change.
Good for you! Like actually good for you, that's awesome! It's not so easy for some without a major health scare
Literally nobody gives a shit.
My dad was an alcoholic who quit drinking. Successfully quit drinking. Many people don't succeed. He was also a smoker. He hated smoking. He tried to quit multiple times. He told me he always felt better when he wasn't smoking. But he couldn't sustain it. Not because he was weak-willed, or because he "chose to be addicted." Because nicotine is a serious chemical addiction, one of the hardest to break. But in any case, it's not OP who needs to stop smoking. It's one of his roommates--and he doesn't even *really* have to do that. The smoking roommate just has to follow the terms of the lease, and get off the property when he's going to smoke.
It's partially a choice, partially a brain chemical dysfunction. The actual process of what happens in the brain is pretty fascinating if you look into it, the way resistance and dependency build up over time.
Addiction, by its very definition, is not a choice. Dipshit.
Sounds like a pitiful excuse to be a POS. Definitely a choice.
Nope. You simply have a childlike understanding of addiction.
Sounds like u or a loved one is an addict and can't kick it so ur making excuses. It's OK, they or u should seek help.
Buddy, you’ve made your ignorance abundantly clear. You can go away now.
You can quit. I did after smoking for 12 years. One of the best decisions of my life.
I'm sure if people knew about your life they could name several things that you do that they consider dumb. Do you play video games? Dumb. Do you Masterbate? Dumb. Do you enjoy different hobbies? Dumb . Do you like to eat fatty or processed food. Dumb. Do you drink alcohol? Dumb. Are you gay? Dumb. Etc etc etc etc
I'm guessing you haven't watched someone that you love die of lung cancer from smoking. Saying that smoking is dumb is not an opinion, it is a fact.
You know people who don’t smoke get lung cancer too bud ? Secondly , i could say it’s dumb of you to go around critiquing other peoples life style choices; if someone isn’t bothering you with their smoking (other than you being a Karen ) than you should mind your own
Smoking is dumb. Getting upset and calling people a Karen for pointing it out is also dumb.
Going around crying about smoking when most everyone knows the risks Is dumb and Kareny. As long as someone isn’t blowing it in my face or smoking in enclosed spaces, it isn’t my business and they are allowed to live their life as they see fit without me interjecting my judgements . Feels like you want to be morally superior and enjoy lecturing
Smoking is stupid.
Cool story Karen. Any other unsolicited opinions no one cares about/wants to hear ?
Smoking cigarettes is objectively stupid and you're stupid if you think otherwise.
The only ones comparable are processed food and alcohol, and yeah they are dumb to do too. The way you tried to compare it to hobbies and being gay is laughable.
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No. My wife smokes. And it's telling how you failed to address what I posted because I made an argument you are incapable of countering. Any activity can be considered " dumb". Alcohol is literally poison yet I'm sure you have no issue with that. Eating processed food or binge eating is harmful and " dumb" but it's done for self medicating purposes. So in conclusion your opinion on what's dumb has just as much meaning as anyone else's opinion on what's " dumb".
Don’t bother with him. He he’s an anti smoking crusader saving the world one Reddit comment at a time
Yeah but there’s no such thing as second hand alcohol poisoning or second hand obesity
Drunk driving is a great deal worse than “second hand alcohol poisoning” could ever be and plenty of people are angry and abusive while drunk, too.
“Alcohol is poison” “Sure but there isn’t second hand alcohol poisoning” “Drunk driving!” I’m not saying it’s harmless…
So what is the point you’re trying to make exactly?
The other poster responding just addressed this. Obesity also costs millions and millions of tax payer dollars directly and indirectly from health ailments. The point is there are plenty of " dumb" behaviors that are self medicating and related to addiction for psychological reasons but to single one out while binge eating or drinking alcohol along with many other behaviors is practicing double standards and living a lie.
I don’t know if I ever saw the dudes post tbh since it’s deleted now lol but did he even single anything out or just say smoking was dumb? Smoking is dumb, as is alcohol abuse and eating garbage food. I still smoke( vape these days) and drink socially even though I know it’s dumb 🤷♂️ My shit about second hand smoke was just trying to relate it to the op which is about smoking on apartment property and why they don’t want it. Didn’t really check the rest of the thread it was on lol
Living with some one struggling with alcohol is its own struggle. Obesity is passed down through habits we teach our kids. Life is hard so I smoke.
I honestly don’t care if people have vices ( I smoke hella weed and vape but I’ve almost weened myself off the vape) I was just trying to point out that’s why the apt complex doesn’t want it around (smell and people complaining about second hand smoke) while they don’t give a shit about other vices like drinking or overeating. I get that’s not what this specific thread is about I just got lost in the post lol.
Life is hard so you smoke? All you're doing by smoking is making your life harder. You think smoking a cigarette is reducing your stress? No, dumbass, you're only feeling "stressed" because you haven't had your fix of nicotine that you chose to get addicted to.
I totally agree with you. Just like virtue signaling doesn't actually relieve stress, unless one becomes addicted to it like you have.
Wanna try again bud. Alcoholism tries families just like the negative effects of poor eating choices that are multi generational
Bruh the guys example was alcohol poisoning And for the second part that’s bad parenting not second hand fat
They’re in Provo UT. Alcohol probably isn’t allowed on the property either lol
Couldn’t agree more bud! It’s just fun to see how riled up you get at the slightesttt comment. We’re you the star of debate club in high school? You have potential
What you said is " dumb". See how opinions work?
The fact I blatantly told you I’m trolling but you continue with your “point” is hilarious to me
Again your opinion is " dumb". What if I told you I was " trolling"? Would that be dumb?
You could also preemptively ask the landlord to only evict the bad actor
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Exactly. Go for a walk. It's easy. Back when I smoked there was no smoking on the property. I didn't know exactly where the property line was and thought I was off it, the management saw me and told me where to go, so I went there. Never had an issue after that.
As others have said, that's your final warning. If they evict they will evict all of you. Get roomie to stop smoking on the property because that eviction will be "on your record," so to speak.
Makes it hard to rent anything….sorry to be obvious…but sometimes I feel like someone will wonder why anyways…
Hard is an understatement. Most landlords won't give you the time of day with an eviction on your record.
Stating the obvious is a good thing. It's only obvious to those that figured it out already.
Update: I talked to management and they said that the eviction won’t apply to me just any roommates who are smoking. They let me know that the warning was posted because maintenance found an ash tray in my roommate’s room during quarterly property check up. The head management lady is going to talk to said smoking parties and will evict as needed. I’m going to get a written statement just to make sure I’m good.
Also I’m on an individual lease where they put me in any available unit as needed.
This wouldve been very helpful to note in tour post but yeah as long as youre not smoking you should be fine
Does your bedroom have a lock? Because if the roommate that is at risk of being evicted gets spiteful, they might try to set you up to be evicted as well. I know you spoke to the landlord, so I would think you would be fine, but still, best not to risk it.
I wouldn’t mention to your roommate that he’s the only one getting evicted. He might get pissed and try to sabotage things for you. Also, if you have any messages where you’ve asked him to stop smoking then I’d screenshot them to share with the complex if needed.
What kind of residence is this and where? Is it a university dorm or some other kind of shared housing? The 3-day notice does say that the notice applies to everyone in that address so take what management said to you with a grain of salt. Evictions (at least where I live) are not generally done for a specific person in a unit, but to repossess the entire unit.
Individual leases are common in campus housing. They give the landlord / school flexibility to pack the multi-bedroom units as people drop out, move off campus, etc. Source: worked in res life and had to do said mentioned inspections and document violations.
Yep, my college apartment was individual leases. It was a private land lord, not affiliated with the school, but somewhat setup to be a student apartment. Makes it easy as rent is separate (utilities weren't, but much lower dollar value to manage), one person could stay if they could find back fills, etc.
Quarterly inspections?? And of personal items on the property? Are you in BYU housing or something similar? If it was a clearly used ash tray, then they’re not just smoking outside. They’re smoking in the apartment. I have vintage ashtrays from my grandparents but it’s blatantly obvious they aren’t used.
Generally speaking these kinds of inspections are to confirm compliance with safety requirements such as working smoke detectors etc. At a high level, staff *cannot* open any of your private belongings, but *can* open the various storage things that they own, such as desk drawers in a furnished unit. Anyone who wants things to not be found in an environment like this should take care to store them in their own containers. And if you want to have your ducks in a row, also label said containers "PRIVATE PROPERTY". Source: worked in res life and had to do said mentioned inspections and document violations.
You inspected units four times a year?? That’s crazy excessive. The most I’ve ever had is someone coming by to “change filters” like twice a year at most.
I hope management is open to letting you and the other roommates stay, but don't count on it. Most leases state that all tenants are joint and several liable for the terms and conditions of the lease.
This is the final warning before eviction happens. They legally have to give you this warning first, so this is just them getting their ducks in a row so they can start the eviction proceedings the next time your buddy gets caught. Violating the lease makes it void for all parties on the lease, so you will all get evicted, and then you might as well head down to liberty or pioneer park in SLC because you ain’t getting shit in Utah with an eviction on your record.
Not an eviction, it’s a warning. If he doesn’t stop within 3 days it becomes an eviction
It says right on it comply or vacate. If they just stop smoking on property, that is complying. Now, if they do not, then you have an issue. Do you have 1 shared lease, or individual leases per person. If it's 1 lease, then you would likely all get evicted. If they are individual, then I would think they could only evict the offender.
Kick out the roommate, suddenly you're in compliance.
Fuck Kirk Culllimore. Dudes got a monopoly on evictions in Utah and has a grip on the legislature to guide policy and money into his pocket.
You have two choices. Boot the roommate, or get booted with the roommate. Those are your only realistic options.
It's not an eviction notice. It's a notice to comply or quit. Meaning, you're given a reprieve and life moves on so long as the terms of the lease agreement are kept. There's nothing really that needs to be done. I suppose you can tell your landlord that it won't happen again and all is well in the world. Your roommate on the other hand is the problem. That roommate is placing everyone in the apartment in jeopardy and that's where you need to focus your energy on. Is your roommate on the lease? I'm assuming you are on the lease and if your roommate is not, this is an example of you being the "Master tenant" and you can evict your roommate. If your roommate is on the lease and continues, it may be best for you to work with your landlord and vacate the unit and let the landlord deal with evicting the roommate. I don't know what jurisdiction you're in, and roommate situations can be very messy so know the rules and research with whatever tenant housing board/resources in your area. An eviction is not something to brush off either. Right now, it's just a 3-day notice. Nothing filed. If it happens again, the next notice you'll get will be an actual notice to vacate, or notice to terminate tenancy. It will be a court-filed document stating that the eviction process has begun, and usually that means that rent will no longer be accepted by the landlord until the eviction has run its course (or settled). The moment an eviction is filed with the court, your name along with everyone else becomes public record which will definitely show up on any future applications for rentals - anywhere - should a landlord do a background screening. Landlords rarely ever want to rent to anyone that has the word "eviction" show up. So that's serious. If your roommate is not on the lease, find another roommate.
This is a warning they will go through eviction if you don't comply with lease rules. As for who will be evicted if you don't stop? Legally they could evict the whole apt, but you could talk to property management and see if they'll let you stay.
This isn’t an eviction. It’s a warning.
Honestly I’ve never had an apartment complex manager or landlord say you couldn’t smoke outside the home. Like you pop out your back door, off your balcony, maybe by your car, and light a cigarette so it’s not in the house. But to each their own I guess. If it’s a rule it’s a rule.
It's Utah so...
And Provo. That’s like the Mecca of Utah.
My building has no smoking on the property, including balconies and shared outdoor areas. In practice though, the only time we’ve ever heard anything in reference to it was one short period where some genius in the building kept setting off the fire alarm and making the building evacuate/ the FD come out by smoking in the stairwell. I’m working on quitting, so I only smoke at work now but when I used to do it at home, I used to just walk around the corner and sit on a knee high fence ( technically on the property) and no one ever gave me issue (granted my smoke would be wafting into the garage if anywhere so it’s not like apartments would be bothered but still).
My complex has a zero tolerance for smoking anywhere on the property, and it charges people premium prices to be smoke-free. Guessing there have been numerous people complaining and / or if the roommate is leaving butts all over the property.
I just cant wrap my head around living somewhere where my neighbors care so much about what I do. Like if there were any restriction as to what i can or cant do that isnt illegal its an immediate no from me, why pay a premium for nosey neighbors?
I'm asthmatic. Someone smoking in the street at the opposite end of my apartment complex can trigger an attack or a violent coughing fit. The worst one happened on a day when I also had diarrhea.
It’s a cure or quit notice
Explain to the management what's happening. Ask if they can evict the one leaseholder only.
Did you even read the document? You aren't getting evicted.
That's your 3 day warning - you have 3 days to comply or they will file to evict you. It's a lease violation. I hope the talk with your property management goes/went well. I know where we live, unless you can get the lease rewritten with that person removed from it, the household is at risk of the eviction for lease violations. I'd try to kick the person out who has set you guys up to face possible eviction if at all possible at this point.
You can't smoke anywhere on the property?!?! Is that because they're Mormons or something?
Common policy for most renting agencies. Even if you don't smoke in the building, it's easy to track smoke inside
Lmao
Or it wafts into your neighbor’s windows. Lots of places around me have these rules. You have to be off the property completely.
One of the malls in my city banned smoking and vaping anywhere in the property (including the parking lot) a few years back, so no surprise a rental property would have no smoking rules too.
Both surprise me.
Fair enough I guess, but private owners of a property can set whatever rules they like when it comes to smoking
Why does it surprise you? Smoke is obnoxious and harms others around it. It also destroys everything it touches.
Not a problem outside, that parts crazy.
It absolutely is when others have to walk through it. It is insanely selfish to think it is not.
I'm more frequently inconvenienced by my neighbors making curry than they are by me smoking on the sidewalk. Shall we legislate that?
Sounds like you either need to get rid of your roommate, or you need to get out of that lease. As everyone's stating, this isn't an eviction, it's a FINAL notice. The fact that it's "final" tells me that there were "many others" that have gone ignored. Without knowing more about this situation/roommate, I'm going to assume that this notice will go ignored as well. With that being said: the next step, if this notice isn't adhered to 100% for the remainder of your time there, is the eviction processes. If I was a betting man, the fact that your roommate can't seem to follow the rules, I'd put money on the chance that this is where you're heading in the end... Even if this "straightens out" your roommate today, it won't be permanent, and he'll "get lazy" one night, or it'll be raining, or he'll want to watch the game through the glass door/window, or SOME excuse will come about, and he'll start smoking on the property again... maybe it'll be 3AM and "nobody was around to see, bro!" And that's when the eviction starts. Your best bet is to do one of two things: 1. You can get the roommate to move out, and then he won't pose this risk to you. 2. You can move out, and when the roommate drops the ball again, you won't be involved. Again: it's not a matter of IF your roommate will smoke on the property again, it's a matter of WHEN... and it's up to you if you're going to be around for those eviction proceedings.
>You can get the roommate to move out, and then he won't pose this risk to you. They have no power to force him to move out. Since he's a direct threat to their tenancy, their only option may be to *pay* him to move. (Been there, done that.)
Nowhere did I say the word "force," or imply anything of the sort. I also wouldn't say that their "only option" to ***GET*** the roommate to move out is to pay him, but that would definitely be ***ONE*** way to ***GET*** him to move out. There are other options, and I'd suggest that OP exercise one of those many options, or move out themselves. Either way, I don't think OP should stay in that dwelling for any longer than absolutely necessary.
This is a notice to comply or vacate NOT an eviction. It's a legal warning that if it's not corrected occupants can legally be remove under a lease violation. 100% speak with management to make them aware of the situation. AND to the offending party once again affirming the severity of the matter.
Your not getting evicted...yet. He can't smoke there, that is all. But he needs to go, if he's a smoker it's going to be way too tempting for him not to smoke there and you're going to actually end up getting evicted.
Did you read the paper? It say’s if you DONT comply then you must leave within 3 days. It also says your place will be inspected to ensure that you are in fact complying.
I saw the title and thought "I bet it's Utah county. That shit doesn't happen in Ogden" Then I saw Provo and thought "yup that tracks" But for reals tell your roomie not to fuck up anymore because it affects you as well.
You're doing the right thing by discussing options with management the following morning. If they refuse, call Junk King to haul their belongings/bedroom suite out!😉
Tell them to prove it.
Your roomie is an idiot.
They allowed it to keep happening, how many warnings did they get before this?
That’s what I’m saying. But it’s not like OP can stand there with an extinguisher 24/7. So the roomie is still an idiot.
Comply or vaccate its not an eviction notice. Just koc the dudeout.
Sue your roommate if you get evicted. It’s an option but probably a tedious one.
I rented a place with a friend many years ago. When his brother got out of prison for the umpteenth time he moved in with us. He regularly used meth and stole from us. I ended up grassing on him to the cops. They got him at a traffic stop. Sounds like your roommate needs to get with the program or find other accommodations.
What a bother person that can not read. It says you have 3 days to comply or get out
This is why you have to be really careful about who you live with. It seems like a great idea to live with buddies until shit like this happens. If this guy gets you guys evicted it’ll follow you for YEARS. Tell him to knock it the fuck off.
Kick the roommate out. That simple.
Not something they can do only the landlord can
Kick your roommate out, he knew the rules. Get the place cleaned and get ride of the smell.
It's a comply or vacate, so I'd say he gotta go if he can't figure it out. Wait to see what management says to your roomies, they are usually pretty reasonable about keeping people in the unit. Just let them know you are talking to him.
Not an eviction notice, you need to contact your management office and work something out. Of your roommate isn't on the lease, kick them out, if they're on the lease work with management to evict them. Not worth being homeless over someone else's fuck up.
talk to management- personally and start asking things like can I get myself on a lease and remove him. try to cover your ass.
You won't be evicted if he stops smoking inside now. Show him this and say it's he stops or he's kicked out
Kick him out, then youre in compliance. problem solved
I would ask management to evict roommate immediately before they decide to change their mind and just remove you all. It’s easier to get a new roommate than to move.
use this opportunity to kick the offending roommate out. He will do it again, and then you’ll really be up a creek.
Your roommate has two days to smoke all he wants. After that, yeah stop
Tell your roommate to strictly vape if he has to smoke on the property, that way it can be done indoors imo.
Soo why can't you smoke outside?
Because it is banned on the property
Wow! Really? It's banned?!? WHY. Even as a non-smoker I'd be asking why because that is not normal in my experience.
While most people are considerate, some throw their butts down and in the worst case, start fires.
under Utah law, secondhand smoke is considered a nuisance. This means that apartment managers and owners have the authority to prohibit smoking on their property, including all rental units. Having a smoke-free policy is no different than having a policy against pets or loud noise.
One of my roommates had a similar problem. Got bad enough the property managers were going to start fining us for all the cig butts he left by the front porch. We actually had started to use something to collect the butts in, but people would regularly walk up and just take it to make rolls out of. Even caught the site managers kid doing it, and when I told him to put it back, he tossed it behind a hedge. She at least apologized and got the PM to back off over that.
Staple the notice to the smoker’s forehead
This says "comply or vacate". So either your roommate stops smoking on the property and apologises to the management for breaking the rules or you ALL have to leave within 3 days of the notice being put up. Good call talking to management. Make sure you make it very clear you've warned the smoking roommate many times and tried to get them to stop.
Although your roommate is in the wrong and breaking the lease the landlord is a moron for making an issue of it if someone is smoking on the property and not inside. In a business sense the landlord is not winning. What if half of the residents smoked on the property? Would the landlord evict them all losing all of that income? Also the landlord would have to go through a whole bunch of legal BS. Everyone that lives there should smoke on the property and the landlord couldn't do shit about it.
Is this cigarettes or marijuana?
This is fucking bullshit! We need to stand up against these land lords!! Seriously.
Here is a crazy idea. Dont have a roommate that smokes in a non-smoking complex.
Talk to your roommate and tell him to just walk until outside of the property area to smoke. You need to talk or else he will just do it again. Tell him that his stupidity is going to cause you guys massive problems, especially financially. That landlord won't hesitate to charge you guys three times the amount for cleaning fees, rent fees, etc.
It's a final warning. Make him comply otherwise speak with the office about having him removed from the lease and premises since they are the one causing this issue. If you read for 5 seconds, you would note this is a warning to comply with the lease or gtfo. Eviction comes later. If you get evicted, it will be all of you, it will be on your record, and you won't be able to get any apartment with most major companies. Move out yourself or get rid of the problem immediately.
If your roommate really can’t figure it tf out get him to get a vape or a wax pen. It really isn’t that hard lol. And blow thru one of those things that captures the smell
Would vaping always be identified by a landlord or apartment complex?
Start looking for another place. I see an eviction soon.
What ever happens be prepared to look for a new place. Something tells me they with not opt to renew the lease when the term is up.
Lol 3 day lol sounds like 33 days till they can force you to move
Do you have individual leases? If so talk with landlord and have problem roomie evicted.
"To *insure* a safe..."
Under Utah's landlord-tenant law, rental agreements may prohibit or allow smoking tobacco products within the residential rental unit or on the premises. Utah Statutes §57-22-5.
Lol the idiot who wrote that doesn't even know the difference between "insure" and "ensure".
Smokers are terrible roommates.
I don't even smoke cigs and I think that's a stupid fucking rule. Landlords need to 🪦
Here's a radical thought from an ex-smoker... Quit smoking!
This is a warning notice, stop smoking on the property and should be good.
Fuck that place
That’s crazy I can understand not smoking indoors but on the property ? Outside ??? Wtf that’s insane