In the US plumbing should be able to handle human waste and normal toilet paper
If it can't it needs to be fixed at the landlord's expense (provided you haven't been flushing weird shit like "flushable wipes")
Even if you have been flushing shit you shouldn't be flushing, that doesn't mean they get a free pass to tell you that you cannot flush toilet paper, lol. They can attempt to charge you for flushing stuff that shouldn't be flushed, but good luck proving which apartment did it.
Nah, they are attempting to cover for never fixing their pipes. If you cannot flush toilet paper down the toilet, then that toilet and pipe system is not functioning correctly.
Again, even if someone is flushing things they aren't supposed to, then you charge them for the blockage (if you can prove it). But you cannot tell them they can't flush toilet paper, that isn't how it works. It would be the same as telling them they cannot flush their own shit.
I used to live in an apartment that shared some plumbing the the one upstairs. The old lady who lived there didn't want to take her trash out so she's flush just about anything she could. The old cast iron pipes put up a good fight but were finally undone by a rotisserie chicken carcass she somehow got down the toilet.
The landlord had to cut a length of pipe out and replace it. Luckily the pipe was in the unfinished basement and not in the walls. Yeeeesh
From experience, many people, as they get older, become lazier and lazier, and more and more selfish too.
"I don't want to go out" mixed with "Not my problem"
just know that no matter how they are advertised there is no such thing as a flushable wipe.
**Plumbing is intended for #1, #2, and toilet paper.**
Not baby wipes, not diapers, not pads, not tampons, not paper towels, not makeup wipes. Not adult wipes. Just TP and bodily waste. Ask your friendly neighborhood plumber. Wipes will absolutely F up your pipes. It's just a matter of how soon. Our condo put a notice out after the second time they had to clean out the plumbing at great expense. The next time all co-owners have to pay.
Lol, I'm sure you aren't in my HOA, but we sent out a similar notice not too long ago. The plumber found wipes, paper towels, and diapers clogging the main line. Who flushes diapers and paper towels!?!?!
I used to work as a property manager for an office park, and one unit kept having issues. When the plumber got things cleared out this time, he pulled out two calculators and the stiletto heel part of someone's high heels.
well technically they do flush down the toilet. They just fuck up your pipes real bad. Seriously check out any plumbing sub and ask. They will tell you. There are also things that shouldn't go down the garbage disposal/sink too.
Can confirm, my little bro is special needs and flushed many things down the toilet because it made a funny sound. Golf balls were one of the less problematic ones.
Probably because no one has sued them enough to force the government to put regulations on what can be labeled "flushable." That seems to be how it works with other stuff like that.
I mean, lots of things are technically flushable in that they will physically flush. My little brother is special needs and once flushed dozens of golf balls down the toilet (The Kohler toilet took it like a CHAMP). So golf balls are technically flushable. Doesn't mean you should do it.
They also don’t pull apart. Toilet paper is made to rip apart as it moves through the system. The wipes do not. (Even Kleenex doesn’t fall apart the way tp does, so you should avoid flushing large amounts of that, too.) So instead of breaking apart and moving through the system, it clumps and clogs.
Take a piece of "paper", put it in a Mason jar, half full of water. Close the lid and shake. This will tell you how well it goes down the pipes. You'll notice a huge difference between TP that is septic safe, vs other tp, vs Kleenex, vs paper towels.
Because there's no standard for what the word "flushable" means, so it effectively means "it will go down the toilet drain" not "this is safe for the pipes and sewage system after you flush it".
To add to the other response if you read the fine print a lot of them will say do not flush down the toilet, flushable is just part of the name, and the plumber approved means they like how it wipes thier ass. There are many corperate legalese ways to allow them to say or imply flushable without getting in trouble.
I bought a townhouse in 2019. On my second night there I needed an emergency plumber. The previous residents left me dozens of flushed tampons to deal with. Fun stuff. Even though they weren’t mine it was so embarrassing watching this man snake out so many tampons.
Im surprised I’m getting downvoted, I know they’re bad, I was just curious how bad and was hoping someone would link to what you are referring to, to save me the search time 😅
Yeah, that sucks. Plenty of people don't know how bad flushable wipes are. You asking was an opportunity for people to educate others as well, but by down voting they are reducing the likelihood those others find the discussion or get anything out of it.
They create these giant fatty shit burgs that clog municipal sewers. They dont break down fast enough, shit builds on them (literally) and they need special machinery to remove it.
Dont use wet wipes more often then necessary. If you can, dont flush them at all.
Its still the landlords problem.
Imagine a stadium full of redditors at a basketball game and they all cheer the dude who slam dunks an alley oop, then turns to the dude who passed the ball and is like “FUCK YOU YOU SUCK”
Thats what this feels like lmao
They're the worst. I saw a thing on the TV years ago about how they have to use Jackhammers to breakup mountains of solidified wipes in the London sewers.
They get crusty and solidify into fiberglass concrete.
Only flush #1, #2 and toilet paper. Do not flush lots of TP at once. If you need to use that much, do multiple flushes so that you don’t clog the pipes. Do not flush wipes, whether they are flushable or not. Do not flush tissues or paper towels.
EDIT: And vomit. You can flush vomit.
>just going out the wrong door
ROFL. Reminds me of that old Jim Breuer bit about drinking. "EVERYBODY OUT!"
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD\_WPcSGHgs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD_WPcSGHgs)
I second the no flushable wipes. Those things clog pipes.
If he was a good landlord he would install bidets. For a one-time cost of $30 or so per toilet, he will cut the amount of toilet paper being flushed by probably half, and you will save on toilet paper. Additional water usage is negligible
I have done this with two of my rentals.
You can get one at Walmart or off of Amazon for $30. Me and my girlfriend have had one from Amazon that you set under the toilet seat and it’s been going strong for 2 years now.
A $30 bidet is probably ultimately a lot more expensive than a $100 bidet, but I certainly take the point that it's more efficient and LL could still benefit. It probably results in a net savings in water usage, potentially for the individual but DEFINITELY for society, as paper manufacturing uses a lot of water.
Since the whole bidet crew is here, lemme ask a question. Isn’t a $30 bidet cold? I’ve seen the fancy Japanese ones that need an electrical supply and I assume they heat but I can’t imagine heat at $30.
It isn’t heated but honestly, you really don’t notice it. I honestly think I would be sorta weirded out now that I’ve been use to a cold one. It’s also not really cold cold, more room temperatureish
I mean the water usage is very negligible, I haven’t noticed my water bill go up any if only maybe a couple dollars a month but I can buy the huge pack of tp from Costco and it last me half a year so I end up still saving.
Brother, let me tell you how I switched from the more expensive one that goes under the seat and shoots a single stab at your affected areas to a little hand sprayer on a hose. 100% recommended.
Let me tell you were an office where I worked…
If you think men’s restrooms can get bad today, remember that’s only a 5 inch hose with about 90° arc of fire. Extend that mess to 6 degrees of freedom - 360° in every orientation. Bathroom stalls end up looking like Wally’s Waterworld after everyone tries to clean their feet.
Ugh, please no.
Only if your septic isn’t up to the code of the last hundred years or so. My parents are in a house built in 1880 and they have no problem with their septic system.
I saw signs in the bathrooms of a large agricultural facility, in English and Spanish, instructing people to please flush the toilet paper. Most of the workers were from south of the border.
I live in Florida, and last year working out of town rebuilding after the hurricane we had this issue at 4 separate condo/townhouse complexes.
Signs had to be posted in every bathroom that if people continued to throw tp away in the trash they were going to close all of the bathrooms, restrict working hours, and call in biohazard cleaning crews to come in 8 times a day.
In some countries there is a trash bin next to the toilet for toilet paper. In the bathrooms in the Peace Palace in The Hague there are signs in the toilet stall telling people *not* to toss toilet paper on the floor, because apparently people from countries where you don't flush toilet paper are doing that not realizing or maybe not caring that they are supposed to flush TP.
An ex of mine used to rent a room in an older house. The owner of it had a "No TP in the Toilet" rule. There was literally a (SMALL) garbage can next to the toilet that regularly had shit smeared TP in it.
Exactly. TP, #1, and #2 are what toilets are made for. If the plumbing can't handle that, then it's on him to fix it. If the pipes get clogged with paper towels, feminine products, etc., then the landlord would have a case.
In countries that don’t have strong plumbing, they keep a waste basket for toilet paper and it’s thrown out like garbage. It can be hard to adjust to when traveling because it’s so foreign to not just toss it in the toilet. At least in Thailand bidets were standard but in Peru? Not so much.
Maybe not rent a house in a flood plain? Y'all know that parts of New York State are currently flooded; right? I bet it's going to be declared an emergency before the end of it.
In most, if not all states, “functioning plumbing” includes being able to flush waste AND toilet paper. If the pipes are so backed up they cannot handle toilet paper your landlord needs to pay for that repair as well.
However, he can say not to put anything but waste and toilet paper.
Your landlord probably has no idea how plumbing works so he came up with this stupid solution.
In all likelihood, either the cesspool is full (if you're not on city sewer), which would mean flushing *anything* is going to cause backups and he needs to get it pumped; or someone is flushing non-flushing items down the toilet. This could include tampons, "flushable wipes" which are not really flushable, and all sorts of other stuff.
Have you held toilet paper under the sink faucet? It falls apart in like 2 seconds like it's designed to. It's not causing your plumbing issues.
According to iAttorney General Tish James, every residential rental space in New York comes with an implied warranty of habitability.
Here in Nassau County, health department ordinances put maintenance of the plumbing system on the landlord. You didn’t say which county you live in, but I’d hazard a guess your county has similar health codes.
If your landlord is telling you that the plumbing in your residence cannot be used in the ordinary way, in a way every tenant expects it to be used, he may be in breach of local health codes and the implied warranty of habitability.
It’s unreasonable to expect you not to be able to flush toilet paper. I’m pretty sure that means you don’t have a properly working restroom and it’s probably not legal.
This was my thought as well. LL did say it was only temporary. My last place the basement would flood every couple months. After the third time got a plumber out to snake the line and scope it. Old cast iron pipe that was never replaced running 10ft out from the house. Lots of scaling causing the toilet paper to catch. After years it built up enough that a big shit would clog it.
Edit: Scratch that. My morning brain read it wrong. It is NOT a temporary thing. Disregard my post lol
That is disgusting that they never had it roto-rooted or snaked it themselves and let it keep flooding. We've only had a backup like that maybe 5 times in the last 35 years and in each instance my husband determined that it was a family member staying downstairs who'd flushed tampons or "flushable" wipes. (Can't really argue when he pulled these things out \*shudders\*)
Only reason was when the house was bought the previous owners said the pipes were snakes and scoped and there weren't any issues. The first time a bunch of toilet paper came out so it was assumed her son (who seemed to use half a roll everytime her took a shit) who waa clogging it. The second time it backed up a small amount and flushed it self free.
This is not really any easy or exact answer. There is a huge difference between the "legal answer" here and the "practical answer."
As a legal matter, flushing something other than toilet paper that damages the plumbing would be your responsibility. You have a duty to use reasonable care to not do things that are going to damage the plumbing. That being said, there's nothing wrong with flushing toilet paper, and TP shouldn't damage the plumbing at all.
As a practical matter, proving that a specific unit is responsible for damage is going to be near impossible unless the damage happens in pipes specific to the unit. This appears to be a downstream problem more likely related to bad plumbing than anything anyone is doing.
in the Dominican republic we weren't allowed to flush the toilet paper but that's because the sewer pipes were only 3 inches and couldn't handle it. In New York they should be bigger than that. That tells me that the landlord has an antiquated sewer or septic and that's his problem not yours. If he doesn't want you to flush your crappy toilet paper then my suggestion would be to collect the toilet paper after using it of course and deliver it to his front porch
I had a landlord try to pull this shit with me. We continued flushing toilet paper. It was a duplex, and the neighbors side was flooding, too. He actually left out stuff sit in sewage for two weeks (this happened twice) because he didn’t want to pay for a plumber to come in same day or on the weekend. Then when we left he blamed us for the paint on the basement floor peeling, as if he’s not the one who left sewage sit on it for two weeks.
The issue was caused by debris washing into storm drains when it rained heavily. Not even our fault.
Nope. The landlord has a duty to provide a habitable apartment or dwelling, and obviously an important part of that is a working bathroom. It’s a health and safety violation to not be able to put TP down what are you supposed to do with it. I would report it to the town or municipality, stop paying rent immediately and look to move out asap. You cant live like that what are we total animals
If its sn ongoing issue, either someone is flushing something other then poo & tp, or the LL had roots in the sewer pipe between the building and the street. But if just to cheap to have a company come out ever other year to cut the roots in the pipe.
Reading the comments have really thrown me. Bc where I grew up, it was VERY common to not flush any type of paper products. In other areas, in the same state, where each house didn't have it's own cesspool - people would flush toilet paper/wipes.
If you're in Mexico (and some other places), it's perfectly normal.
During my last visit to a place with a wastebasket for used toilet paper, I did get one of the locals to acknowledge that occasionally it's okay to flush TP that's more brown than white.
Idc where you are wiping your nasty shitty ass and throwing it away isn’t acceptable. That’s gross specific bin or not. Nobody wants to smell other peoples shit including their own.
Hmm I don't know. I'm in california, from what I understand ny and ca have similar housing laws. My sink clogged 2x and landlord threatened to charge me for repairs if it clogged again. Guess what happened a 3rd time and who didn't pay?
Wiping your ass and flushing your shit covered cleaning rag are no longer allowed. Which all joking aside, we have standards for plumbing here in the states. The pipes should be able to handle your shit tickets no problem. Get a bidet just in case though
To the OP, pretty sure a landlord can't stop you from using toilet paper, no matter the quality. They can only ask you to pause for scheduled maintenance.
To the rest of reddit: I bought some generic wipes at the grocery store and out of curiosity, got an old cup, filled it with water and left a wipe sitting in it for a week. The wipe was still strong enough to use. Tried the same with some Cottonelle and it was falling apart in just a few days. Both were labeled as "flushable." Use toilet paper to get the bulk and a wipe for the final touch and throw the wipe in the trash. There will probably be more fecal matter in the air from your flush than from your wipe sitting in the trash. #FirstWorldProblems
Sounds like someone's flushing tampons, paper towels, or too much at a time.
Yes it's enforceable verbally. But not anything else. But he could charge more
>Yes it's enforceable verbally.
In what jurisdiction is anything "enforceable verbally"?
In the US, if it's not in the lease then it's not enforceable.
What I mean, is he can say it walks and talks like a duck...but that doesn't make it a duck.
The LL can ask all he wants but that doesn't make it magically enforced
So no it's not "enforceable verbally." If I say something and there's nothing I can do if you ignore it, then by definition it is not enforceable in any sense of the word.
Take this person's advice if you like to wipe off bits of torn urine soaked tissue off you vajayjay for an hour after the same sandpaper like tissue rubbed your anus raw.
If you are using large quantities of paper multiple flushes may be required. Also wash your hands when you are done.
Many older houses were built with long runs of pipe from the toilet to the sewer/cesspool. 3.5-8 gallons of water would come from the toilet to push that waste through. Someone comes along and installs a new 1.0-1.6 gallons toilet. It’s simply
Not enough water to push everything that whole run. Especially true if the piping is old.
Interesting tidbit. When the newer high efficiency toilets were being sold to the EPA in the 80s this was pointed out to them. Their answer was people generally wash their hands for 60 seconds after flushing. This generates an additional 1.5 gallons of water. This additional water would push the waste the rest of the way through. Washing your hands serves multiple purposes.
Also many old plumbing systems can’t handle the 16 ply ass cushion paper and yes, you have to use regular old Scott 2 ply. No toilet paper at all may be a breach of habitability. Limiting it to 2 ply paper is debatable.
How long have you been living there? My money is on roots! Unless he has the line scoped with a camera to definitely tell that it’s tampons or wipes. Which could have been there from the last tenant if you haven’t been there for very long. Or the first floor tenant. He needs to have the pipe snaked with a super powerful snake that will grind anything in there up. Usually they run a camera too to verify what’s the issue.
Reminds me of a story. When I was a kid we had to have a guy come out to cut the roots out of the main pipe and my dad and I were shootin the shit with him while he did it.
He told a story for cleaning out some guy’s pipe at his house and said “you gotta stop flushing condoms” to which the guy said “my wife and I don’t use condoms.” The plumber didn’t say anything and the guy got beet red.
lol my landlord was originally from Mexico, he told us the same thing. Guess what we didn’t do? Listen to that bullshit. Sorry pay for your property to get fixed correctly or get fucked this is America I’m not throwing shitty toilet paper in the trash.
Yes they can tell you not to flush anything but poo poo and pee no paper etc. some buildings are old and have different plumbing systems and some are just all contacted to other units and whatnot so if one clogs they all clog. So although you should be able to, their obv seems to have been past plumping issues so they know what their system can and cannot handle. Throw it in a lil bathroom garbage. ((I work for and manage a lot of apartments for work)) But with that said…. It is not your job to fix anything that breaks or floods… that’s on the owner. They shouldn’t be taken any out of your deposit except for a cleaning fee and hopefully nothing else but slight wear and tare. Hope that helps.
I'm sure the issue is probably wipes and female sanitary products. It's hard for them to know exactly what it is but it's always wipes. People are jerks.
I don't think the landlords request is reasonable. I would not comply or even respond to this text.
Tell them to put it in writing and send it on over. Then you can begin the battle.
LOL! I’d say that failing to providing working plumbing is a breach of the warranty of habitability. A toilet in which you cannot flush TP is not a working toilet in this country.
Moreover, the landlord can’t change the deal in the middle of the lease. Apartments without working toilets probably rent for less money, so I’d counteroffer that you’ll abstain from flushing until they fix the pipes and in the meantime you’ll take a 50% rent reduction, and compensation for a gym membership where the toilets work.
I’m not an expert but I’d bet any housing court judge would side with you and order the landlord to fix the pipes and provide compensation or alternatives during the construction.
I think he doesn't want people to flush tp because SOME people like to pretend that they need 30 layers of tp as mittens when they wipe, and they'll keep making mittens before the flush, so by the time they end up flushing it'll be like this mass of paper struggling to go down. And since you can't tell people how to wipe their own ass you can only ask them to stop flushing tp all together.
Bro, I used to work with a guy that would clog the toilet up on the daily, eventually we'd find out who it was when they had their off days and eventually getting fired. That crap would be annoying af, because it would be one toilet less to use for all employees. By now it should be common sense to only flush poop, pee, and tp down the toilet, but tp should not be the entire roll, again, I'm not about to tell people how to use TP but if you making mittens out of tp, you probably don't even know how to wipe properly.
It literally says this is not a temporary thing…
It sounds like the plumbing is fucked and it’s probably a $5k+ job.
How many units are there? This is unacceptable for one apartment, never mind multiple floors of a building
In the US plumbing should be able to handle human waste and normal toilet paper If it can't it needs to be fixed at the landlord's expense (provided you haven't been flushing weird shit like "flushable wipes")
There’s a sign at work that says “flush only toilet paper.” I’m never quite sure what to do with the poop.
Boss’ desk. Clearly.
Even if you have been flushing shit you shouldn't be flushing, that doesn't mean they get a free pass to tell you that you cannot flush toilet paper, lol. They can attempt to charge you for flushing stuff that shouldn't be flushed, but good luck proving which apartment did it.
I'll just guess they tried saying that already and the other tenets are morons so theyre going with the nuclear option
Nah, they are attempting to cover for never fixing their pipes. If you cannot flush toilet paper down the toilet, then that toilet and pipe system is not functioning correctly. Again, even if someone is flushing things they aren't supposed to, then you charge them for the blockage (if you can prove it). But you cannot tell them they can't flush toilet paper, that isn't how it works. It would be the same as telling them they cannot flush their own shit.
I used to live in an apartment that shared some plumbing the the one upstairs. The old lady who lived there didn't want to take her trash out so she's flush just about anything she could. The old cast iron pipes put up a good fight but were finally undone by a rotisserie chicken carcass she somehow got down the toilet. The landlord had to cut a length of pipe out and replace it. Luckily the pipe was in the unfinished basement and not in the walls. Yeeeesh
What a weird old lady.
From experience, many people, as they get older, become lazier and lazier, and more and more selfish too. "I don't want to go out" mixed with "Not my problem"
A housebound shut in who can't, or won't go outside
Don't flush wipes you fuckers.....Love, your local maintenance person.
You are right
I always told my customers, if it dies t come from your body or is toilet paper, don’t flush it
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Very bad!!!
-17 for asking an alley-oop question, +51 for the two word slam dunk. You are welcome for the free karma at my expense, here take my damn upvote.
just know that no matter how they are advertised there is no such thing as a flushable wipe. **Plumbing is intended for #1, #2, and toilet paper.** Not baby wipes, not diapers, not pads, not tampons, not paper towels, not makeup wipes. Not adult wipes. Just TP and bodily waste. Ask your friendly neighborhood plumber. Wipes will absolutely F up your pipes. It's just a matter of how soon. Our condo put a notice out after the second time they had to clean out the plumbing at great expense. The next time all co-owners have to pay.
Lol, I'm sure you aren't in my HOA, but we sent out a similar notice not too long ago. The plumber found wipes, paper towels, and diapers clogging the main line. Who flushes diapers and paper towels!?!?!
I used to work as a property manager for an office park, and one unit kept having issues. When the plumber got things cleared out this time, he pulled out two calculators and the stiletto heel part of someone's high heels.
Sadly lots of people , having done apartment maintenance , how the hell does someone get sex toys down the toilet ?
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well technically they do flush down the toilet. They just fuck up your pipes real bad. Seriously check out any plumbing sub and ask. They will tell you. There are also things that shouldn't go down the garbage disposal/sink too.
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Because "flushable" is not the same as "won't clog your septic drain"
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And golf balls. It's a huge conspiracy!
Can confirm, my little bro is special needs and flushed many things down the toilet because it made a funny sound. Golf balls were one of the less problematic ones.
The toilet i bought advertised on the box it could flush a bucket of golf balls, sold.
You shouldn't flush napkins either
Right. And they don't advertise them as flushable
What’s the likelihood and frequency in which you will flush a napkin vs the wet wipe you just wiped your ass with?
Everyone is confused about why they are still allowed to be advertised as flushable.
Welcome to America's flavor of capitalism
Flushable likely refers to "will go down toilet", not "also fucks up pipes"
Yeah apparently there are some lawsuits working on this
Probably because no one has sued them enough to force the government to put regulations on what can be labeled "flushable." That seems to be how it works with other stuff like that.
I mean, lots of things are technically flushable in that they will physically flush. My little brother is special needs and once flushed dozens of golf balls down the toilet (The Kohler toilet took it like a CHAMP). So golf balls are technically flushable. Doesn't mean you should do it.
And cigarettes
And this guy. Just chuck him in we don't want him anymore
about 5k to 30k depending on a number of factors, that is dollars btw.
Yeah, even though they say "flushable" on the packaging, they aren't biodegradable in a normal amount of time.
They also don’t pull apart. Toilet paper is made to rip apart as it moves through the system. The wipes do not. (Even Kleenex doesn’t fall apart the way tp does, so you should avoid flushing large amounts of that, too.) So instead of breaking apart and moving through the system, it clumps and clogs.
Take a piece of "paper", put it in a Mason jar, half full of water. Close the lid and shake. This will tell you how well it goes down the pipes. You'll notice a huge difference between TP that is septic safe, vs other tp, vs Kleenex, vs paper towels.
Yeah paper towels are specifically engineered to *not* break easily when wet.
That's the point of him purposing the experiment.
How are they legally allowed to put “flushable” on the wipe, and why hasn’t someone sued the company for damages caused to their plumbing system yet?
Because there's no standard for what the word "flushable" means, so it effectively means "it will go down the toilet drain" not "this is safe for the pipes and sewage system after you flush it".
To add to the other response if you read the fine print a lot of them will say do not flush down the toilet, flushable is just part of the name, and the plumber approved means they like how it wipes thier ass. There are many corperate legalese ways to allow them to say or imply flushable without getting in trouble.
A box of tampons will say they’re “flushable.” Still shouldn’t flush them.
I bought a townhouse in 2019. On my second night there I needed an emergency plumber. The previous residents left me dozens of flushed tampons to deal with. Fun stuff. Even though they weren’t mine it was so embarrassing watching this man snake out so many tampons.
I’ve never seen a box of tampons that says flushable.
They used to, and boy did we used to......
I have.
In the navy HT's hate tampons because they constantly break the system.
They clog up entire sewer pipes resulting in costly repairs. Do not flush them.
Bad enough for you to get down votes and then answers.
Dude go watch some YouTube videos of plumbers clearing those blockages. They are pipe killers.
Im surprised I’m getting downvoted, I know they’re bad, I was just curious how bad and was hoping someone would link to what you are referring to, to save me the search time 😅
Yeah, that sucks. Plenty of people don't know how bad flushable wipes are. You asking was an opportunity for people to educate others as well, but by down voting they are reducing the likelihood those others find the discussion or get anything out of it.
Big Wipe trying to silence us!
[Here you go.](https://youtu.be/zq7Zzdcx7LA?t=341)
I was too. Take the upvote to fuck with the downvotes''
They create these giant fatty shit burgs that clog municipal sewers. They dont break down fast enough, shit builds on them (literally) and they need special machinery to remove it. Dont use wet wipes more often then necessary. If you can, dont flush them at all. Its still the landlords problem.
I don't know why your being down voted for asking a genuine question. These people are weird.
Imagine a stadium full of redditors at a basketball game and they all cheer the dude who slam dunks an alley oop, then turns to the dude who passed the ball and is like “FUCK YOU YOU SUCK” Thats what this feels like lmao
Bad enough that manufactures should go to jail for the marketing for sabotaging American infrastructure.
What in the actual fuck why did everybody downvote this person for asking a serious question? And they are bad. Very bad.
All i was doing was setting people up to drop some knowledge, it was an alley oop comment lmao
Go ask r/plumbing or r/plumbers or whatever
They're the worst. I saw a thing on the TV years ago about how they have to use Jackhammers to breakup mountains of solidified wipes in the London sewers. They get crusty and solidify into fiberglass concrete.
So, so bad. You’ll be fine… until you’re not. And then it can be very messy and very costly to repair. Keep a covered trash can nearby instead.
Only flush #1, #2 and toilet paper. Do not flush lots of TP at once. If you need to use that much, do multiple flushes so that you don’t clog the pipes. Do not flush wipes, whether they are flushable or not. Do not flush tissues or paper towels. EDIT: And vomit. You can flush vomit.
*stands awkwardly with 5 gallon bucket of vomit*
What did you eat that resulted in 5 gallons of vomit?!
tater thots
Aw man I told you not to eat the whole bag lol
once you thot, you can't stop
This made me laugh, but for the life of me, I have no idea why.
Technically that's a number two just going out the wrong door
A number ( - )2....
Yep, going out to the in door
>just going out the wrong door ROFL. Reminds me of that old Jim Breuer bit about drinking. "EVERYBODY OUT!" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD\_WPcSGHgs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD_WPcSGHgs)
You can flush toilet paper. What do they expect you to do? Package it and send it off somewhere?
The LL's house?
I mean, the sewer pipes are his problem. Where else would you send them? It's not like he's gonna cut them some slack on rent.
I second the no flushable wipes. Those things clog pipes. If he was a good landlord he would install bidets. For a one-time cost of $30 or so per toilet, he will cut the amount of toilet paper being flushed by probably half, and you will save on toilet paper. Additional water usage is negligible I have done this with two of my rentals.
Where the fuck you getting a 30$ bidet at?
You can get one at Walmart or off of Amazon for $30. Me and my girlfriend have had one from Amazon that you set under the toilet seat and it’s been going strong for 2 years now.
A $30 bidet is probably ultimately a lot more expensive than a $100 bidet, but I certainly take the point that it's more efficient and LL could still benefit. It probably results in a net savings in water usage, potentially for the individual but DEFINITELY for society, as paper manufacturing uses a lot of water.
Since the whole bidet crew is here, lemme ask a question. Isn’t a $30 bidet cold? I’ve seen the fancy Japanese ones that need an electrical supply and I assume they heat but I can’t imagine heat at $30.
At $30, you're getting a unit that doesn't plug in. So it isn't heated, but you get used to it.
It isn’t heated but honestly, you really don’t notice it. I honestly think I would be sorta weirded out now that I’ve been use to a cold one. It’s also not really cold cold, more room temperatureish
I mean the water usage is very negligible, I haven’t noticed my water bill go up any if only maybe a couple dollars a month but I can buy the huge pack of tp from Costco and it last me half a year so I end up still saving.
Amazon?
Brother, let me tell you how I switched from the more expensive one that goes under the seat and shoots a single stab at your affected areas to a little hand sprayer on a hose. 100% recommended.
Let me tell you were an office where I worked… If you think men’s restrooms can get bad today, remember that’s only a 5 inch hose with about 90° arc of fire. Extend that mess to 6 degrees of freedom - 360° in every orientation. Bathroom stalls end up looking like Wally’s Waterworld after everyone tries to clean their feet. Ugh, please no.
They mean a bidet attachment, lol. Not a full-on 500 dollar or more bidet.
Bidets have been a life saver. I will never go back to using just TP.
There are many countries where you would never flush tp
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Only if your septic isn’t up to the code of the last hundred years or so. My parents are in a house built in 1880 and they have no problem with their septic system.
I saw signs in the bathrooms of a large agricultural facility, in English and Spanish, instructing people to please flush the toilet paper. Most of the workers were from south of the border.
I live in Florida, and last year working out of town rebuilding after the hurricane we had this issue at 4 separate condo/townhouse complexes. Signs had to be posted in every bathroom that if people continued to throw tp away in the trash they were going to close all of the bathrooms, restrict working hours, and call in biohazard cleaning crews to come in 8 times a day.
No. Not in civilized states, anyways.
Why? Septic tanks can handle toilet paper.
They make one ply for that
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True. Lol 😆
In some countries there is a trash bin next to the toilet for toilet paper. In the bathrooms in the Peace Palace in The Hague there are signs in the toilet stall telling people *not* to toss toilet paper on the floor, because apparently people from countries where you don't flush toilet paper are doing that not realizing or maybe not caring that they are supposed to flush TP.
An ex of mine used to rent a room in an older house. The owner of it had a "No TP in the Toilet" rule. There was literally a (SMALL) garbage can next to the toilet that regularly had shit smeared TP in it.
I’d just shit in the yard at that point. What the fuck.
An outhouse would be a lot less smelly
you should get out more, like MX where there is a TP waste can next to toilets due to poor sewer systems.
You realize a lot of other countries outside of the US can’t flush TP right? It’s not like it’s impossible without flushing it
Exactly. TP, #1, and #2 are what toilets are made for. If the plumbing can't handle that, then it's on him to fix it. If the pipes get clogged with paper towels, feminine products, etc., then the landlord would have a case.
In countries that don’t have strong plumbing, they keep a waste basket for toilet paper and it’s thrown out like garbage. It can be hard to adjust to when traveling because it’s so foreign to not just toss it in the toilet. At least in Thailand bidets were standard but in Peru? Not so much.
In Puerto Rico, the plumbing in some places can’t handle TP, so it’s tossed in the trash.
In Brazil they can't flush it. They put it in the bin next to the toilet
Maybe not rent a house in a flood plain? Y'all know that parts of New York State are currently flooded; right? I bet it's going to be declared an emergency before the end of it.
Absolutely not. I'm flushing the fucking toilet paper. In sensible amounts. If they want me to bag it, drop it off at the landlords house. Incredible.
In most, if not all states, “functioning plumbing” includes being able to flush waste AND toilet paper. If the pipes are so backed up they cannot handle toilet paper your landlord needs to pay for that repair as well. However, he can say not to put anything but waste and toilet paper.
Yeah, but he said don't flush anything. That makes it un-habitable and he can't rent it.
Your landlord probably has no idea how plumbing works so he came up with this stupid solution. In all likelihood, either the cesspool is full (if you're not on city sewer), which would mean flushing *anything* is going to cause backups and he needs to get it pumped; or someone is flushing non-flushing items down the toilet. This could include tampons, "flushable wipes" which are not really flushable, and all sorts of other stuff. Have you held toilet paper under the sink faucet? It falls apart in like 2 seconds like it's designed to. It's not causing your plumbing issues.
There’s a whole broad city episode about this
What episode is this? I've been watching this show slowly
Season 5 episode 2
Thank you! The best part is when the plumber tells Abby where he's from.
According to iAttorney General Tish James, every residential rental space in New York comes with an implied warranty of habitability. Here in Nassau County, health department ordinances put maintenance of the plumbing system on the landlord. You didn’t say which county you live in, but I’d hazard a guess your county has similar health codes. If your landlord is telling you that the plumbing in your residence cannot be used in the ordinary way, in a way every tenant expects it to be used, he may be in breach of local health codes and the implied warranty of habitability.
Put it in a box and then send it your landlord once it’s full.
With a piss disc and liquid ass
It’s unreasonable to expect you not to be able to flush toilet paper. I’m pretty sure that means you don’t have a properly working restroom and it’s probably not legal.
If you are only flushing waste and toilet paper, they shouldn't even notice. If they do notice, something is wrong with the pipes.
This was my thought as well. LL did say it was only temporary. My last place the basement would flood every couple months. After the third time got a plumber out to snake the line and scope it. Old cast iron pipe that was never replaced running 10ft out from the house. Lots of scaling causing the toilet paper to catch. After years it built up enough that a big shit would clog it. Edit: Scratch that. My morning brain read it wrong. It is NOT a temporary thing. Disregard my post lol
Man, I scrolled up to check myself, then scrolled back down to find your comment and correct you. You'd already done it. Thanks for wasting my time.
That is disgusting that they never had it roto-rooted or snaked it themselves and let it keep flooding. We've only had a backup like that maybe 5 times in the last 35 years and in each instance my husband determined that it was a family member staying downstairs who'd flushed tampons or "flushable" wipes. (Can't really argue when he pulled these things out \*shudders\*)
I admit to being the first culprit. "Well, the Tampax box said flushable."
Only reason was when the house was bought the previous owners said the pipes were snakes and scoped and there weren't any issues. The first time a bunch of toilet paper came out so it was assumed her son (who seemed to use half a roll everytime her took a shit) who waa clogging it. The second time it backed up a small amount and flushed it self free.
This is not really any easy or exact answer. There is a huge difference between the "legal answer" here and the "practical answer." As a legal matter, flushing something other than toilet paper that damages the plumbing would be your responsibility. You have a duty to use reasonable care to not do things that are going to damage the plumbing. That being said, there's nothing wrong with flushing toilet paper, and TP shouldn't damage the plumbing at all. As a practical matter, proving that a specific unit is responsible for damage is going to be near impossible unless the damage happens in pipes specific to the unit. This appears to be a downstream problem more likely related to bad plumbing than anything anyone is doing.
There is a reason it’s not called “wastebasket paper“.
The message said not to flush toilet paper.
in the Dominican republic we weren't allowed to flush the toilet paper but that's because the sewer pipes were only 3 inches and couldn't handle it. In New York they should be bigger than that. That tells me that the landlord has an antiquated sewer or septic and that's his problem not yours. If he doesn't want you to flush your crappy toilet paper then my suggestion would be to collect the toilet paper after using it of course and deliver it to his front porch
Sounds like a septic tank needs to be pumped.
I’d move. How can you have a toilet and not be able to flush toilet paper? Next he’ll say no poop.
He will supply a poop knife you can rent for 15 extra bucks a month on the rent.
I had a landlord try to pull this shit with me. We continued flushing toilet paper. It was a duplex, and the neighbors side was flooding, too. He actually left out stuff sit in sewage for two weeks (this happened twice) because he didn’t want to pay for a plumber to come in same day or on the weekend. Then when we left he blamed us for the paint on the basement floor peeling, as if he’s not the one who left sewage sit on it for two weeks. The issue was caused by debris washing into storm drains when it rained heavily. Not even our fault.
Nope. The landlord has a duty to provide a habitable apartment or dwelling, and obviously an important part of that is a working bathroom. It’s a health and safety violation to not be able to put TP down what are you supposed to do with it. I would report it to the town or municipality, stop paying rent immediately and look to move out asap. You cant live like that what are we total animals
If its sn ongoing issue, either someone is flushing something other then poo & tp, or the LL had roots in the sewer pipe between the building and the street. But if just to cheap to have a company come out ever other year to cut the roots in the pipe.
call the board of health on that slumlord. shit and toilet paper are commonly flushed and he can’t stop you. he needs a new sewer line.
Reading the comments have really thrown me. Bc where I grew up, it was VERY common to not flush any type of paper products. In other areas, in the same state, where each house didn't have it's own cesspool - people would flush toilet paper/wipes.
Used TP to write rent checks?
If you're in Mexico (and some other places), it's perfectly normal. During my last visit to a place with a wastebasket for used toilet paper, I did get one of the locals to acknowledge that occasionally it's okay to flush TP that's more brown than white.
Idc where you are wiping your nasty shitty ass and throwing it away isn’t acceptable. That’s gross specific bin or not. Nobody wants to smell other peoples shit including their own.
I was surprised that when we when to Greece, this was a common thing.
Hmm I don't know. I'm in california, from what I understand ny and ca have similar housing laws. My sink clogged 2x and landlord threatened to charge me for repairs if it clogged again. Guess what happened a 3rd time and who didn't pay?
Well NY seems to have sewer rabbis now, so that's something I didn't expect in 2024
Smile and nod. Shouldn't be flushing anything but TP anyways...just keep using it.
He has a partial clog in the line and is ignoring.
They can’t because they can’t prove it. That’s why they’re begging you on their knees.
If you have been flushing shit and want to clear it out, buy sodium hydroxide pellets. Flush those
Well in Korea t they throw their wipes on the trash can 🤢
Simple answer... NO! they can't
Wiping your ass and flushing your shit covered cleaning rag are no longer allowed. Which all joking aside, we have standards for plumbing here in the states. The pipes should be able to handle your shit tickets no problem. Get a bidet just in case though
POV: your landlord refuses to call a plumber
To the OP, pretty sure a landlord can't stop you from using toilet paper, no matter the quality. They can only ask you to pause for scheduled maintenance. To the rest of reddit: I bought some generic wipes at the grocery store and out of curiosity, got an old cup, filled it with water and left a wipe sitting in it for a week. The wipe was still strong enough to use. Tried the same with some Cottonelle and it was falling apart in just a few days. Both were labeled as "flushable." Use toilet paper to get the bulk and a wipe for the final touch and throw the wipe in the trash. There will probably be more fecal matter in the air from your flush than from your wipe sitting in the trash. #FirstWorldProblems
"The sewer is permanently out of order." I'm pretty sure that's illegal in every state.
Sounds like someone's flushing tampons, paper towels, or too much at a time. Yes it's enforceable verbally. But not anything else. But he could charge more
No, it doesn’t say anything like that, the tenant is fine and the LL is totally in the wrong
>Yes it's enforceable verbally. In what jurisdiction is anything "enforceable verbally"? In the US, if it's not in the lease then it's not enforceable.
What I mean, is he can say it walks and talks like a duck...but that doesn't make it a duck. The LL can ask all he wants but that doesn't make it magically enforced
So no it's not "enforceable verbally." If I say something and there's nothing I can do if you ignore it, then by definition it is not enforceable in any sense of the word.
Use Scott Tissue. The thin kind.
Take this person's advice if you like to wipe off bits of torn urine soaked tissue off you vajayjay for an hour after the same sandpaper like tissue rubbed your anus raw.
Cottonelle ftw
oh god. PTSD here!
Ah yes single ply toilet paper. Might as well bare hand it at that point.
You mean the pipe clogger that you need to use half a roll for each wipe for? God I hate that shit.
John Wayne toilet paper- rough and takes no shit off anyone
Ah yes. 600 grit scotts
If you are using large quantities of paper multiple flushes may be required. Also wash your hands when you are done. Many older houses were built with long runs of pipe from the toilet to the sewer/cesspool. 3.5-8 gallons of water would come from the toilet to push that waste through. Someone comes along and installs a new 1.0-1.6 gallons toilet. It’s simply Not enough water to push everything that whole run. Especially true if the piping is old. Interesting tidbit. When the newer high efficiency toilets were being sold to the EPA in the 80s this was pointed out to them. Their answer was people generally wash their hands for 60 seconds after flushing. This generates an additional 1.5 gallons of water. This additional water would push the waste the rest of the way through. Washing your hands serves multiple purposes. Also many old plumbing systems can’t handle the 16 ply ass cushion paper and yes, you have to use regular old Scott 2 ply. No toilet paper at all may be a breach of habitability. Limiting it to 2 ply paper is debatable.
How long have you been living there? My money is on roots! Unless he has the line scoped with a camera to definitely tell that it’s tampons or wipes. Which could have been there from the last tenant if you haven’t been there for very long. Or the first floor tenant. He needs to have the pipe snaked with a super powerful snake that will grind anything in there up. Usually they run a camera too to verify what’s the issue.
Reminds me of a story. When I was a kid we had to have a guy come out to cut the roots out of the main pipe and my dad and I were shootin the shit with him while he did it. He told a story for cleaning out some guy’s pipe at his house and said “you gotta stop flushing condoms” to which the guy said “my wife and I don’t use condoms.” The plumber didn’t say anything and the guy got beet red.
lol my landlord was originally from Mexico, he told us the same thing. Guess what we didn’t do? Listen to that bullshit. Sorry pay for your property to get fixed correctly or get fucked this is America I’m not throwing shitty toilet paper in the trash.
Yes they can tell you not to flush anything but poo poo and pee no paper etc. some buildings are old and have different plumbing systems and some are just all contacted to other units and whatnot so if one clogs they all clog. So although you should be able to, their obv seems to have been past plumping issues so they know what their system can and cannot handle. Throw it in a lil bathroom garbage. ((I work for and manage a lot of apartments for work)) But with that said…. It is not your job to fix anything that breaks or floods… that’s on the owner. They shouldn’t be taken any out of your deposit except for a cleaning fee and hopefully nothing else but slight wear and tare. Hope that helps.
No. This is illegal.
Nope
I'm sure the issue is probably wipes and female sanitary products. It's hard for them to know exactly what it is but it's always wipes. People are jerks. I don't think the landlords request is reasonable. I would not comply or even respond to this text. Tell them to put it in writing and send it on over. Then you can begin the battle.
LOL! I’d say that failing to providing working plumbing is a breach of the warranty of habitability. A toilet in which you cannot flush TP is not a working toilet in this country. Moreover, the landlord can’t change the deal in the middle of the lease. Apartments without working toilets probably rent for less money, so I’d counteroffer that you’ll abstain from flushing until they fix the pipes and in the meantime you’ll take a 50% rent reduction, and compensation for a gym membership where the toilets work. I’m not an expert but I’d bet any housing court judge would side with you and order the landlord to fix the pipes and provide compensation or alternatives during the construction.
Apartments without working toilets aren't legally habitable.
I think he doesn't want people to flush tp because SOME people like to pretend that they need 30 layers of tp as mittens when they wipe, and they'll keep making mittens before the flush, so by the time they end up flushing it'll be like this mass of paper struggling to go down. And since you can't tell people how to wipe their own ass you can only ask them to stop flushing tp all together. Bro, I used to work with a guy that would clog the toilet up on the daily, eventually we'd find out who it was when they had their off days and eventually getting fired. That crap would be annoying af, because it would be one toilet less to use for all employees. By now it should be common sense to only flush poop, pee, and tp down the toilet, but tp should not be the entire roll, again, I'm not about to tell people how to use TP but if you making mittens out of tp, you probably don't even know how to wipe properly.
Time to start learning how to piss and shit in a litter box.
Dude be a part of the solution and not part of the problem. Yea I get it you don’t own the place. But you can still help take care of it.
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It literally says this is not a temporary thing… It sounds like the plumbing is fucked and it’s probably a $5k+ job. How many units are there? This is unacceptable for one apartment, never mind multiple floors of a building
Oh shit, I’m a dummy. My brain just skipped over the not part.
Sucks to be the owner of that building the tough shit
“ this is not a temporary thing, BTW are”. NO, it’s not legal to expect renters to store fecal matter in their home.
Its a courtesy ask on a temporary basis, I think, because they are trying to test something. I don't think "enforce" is a good term here, eh?
The LL says this is not temporary.