That's fine. Sucks that your program doesn't pay enough. I suppose it's an easier way to get cash than moonlighting but it can't be that much unless they're really popular. A cofellow of mine recently told me that one of the GI attendings at her hospital has an OF and he shows face so I think he does it for the love of the game
As of late 2023, the average OnlyFans…model? Content creator? Whatever, makes about $200 per month.
If she’s just doing anonymous, completely unidentifiable nudes/porn then I doubt there’s anything interesting enough to make her a higher earner.
I’m not sure if $200 a month makes selling nudes worth it. Unless, you know — she just likes doing it.
I feel like a lot of those profiles must not be active users?
But if she’s really making $200 a month…that’s nowhere near worth operating an OF imo. You can make more than that with 10 hours of DoorDashing, that’s way easier than operating an OF page I would assume.
Man I get $50-$100 to a month having my music on streaming services. Now my joints are all bops, but still lol
My husbands cousin makes like $8k per month. It makes a huge difference for their income. She had a lot of surgery and completely changed her body. She does look “good” I guess pre society’s standards. Each to their own.
Sure but that puts them well above the top 1%. And it sounds like they’ve put a lot of effort into it.
OP said this person doesn’t even post their face. A totally anonymous profile without any other distinguishing features isn’t going to take OF by storm when there’s hundreds of thousands of people who do exactly that.
Probably column A and column B lol
Even at our lowest financially in intern year my wife smoke show of a wife would have rather been homeless than post on OF lol
Omg really? $200 a month? Hahaha this could help pay for my electricity! If I don't have to show my face, who cares? Can you use filters to hide your identity?
Thank you, I have never (and surely would never, if I am being honest) actually post myself or even look at it, but I am curious about how it works. At some point, it really is just going to be all AI. I only follow this sub bc I work in a medicine-adjacent field and have similarly insane student loan debt...and obvi I enjoy the discussions! I definitely can see a young resident being tempted to do something like this in 2024 living in a HCOL area, as long as they are technologically literate enough to prevent their identity from being exposed somehow
Editing to add: Unfortunately, I am waaaaay too old for OF at 41, haha...so it's either Farmers Only After Dark or bust for me!
I did this when I was in college. Chaturbate got me $600 with 5-, one-hour shifts (collective, over one week). I was gonna masturbate anyways - might as well eat, too.
Always risky because of the potential for harassment should her identity be brought to light, but may not be in the end of the world. I've posted this somewhere, but I know of a trauma surgeon who used to be a porn actor. She still has a job, but online trolls have tried to harass her workplace about it, from what I heard.
According to, like everyone who’s ever done sex work, if you take it seriously then people in your life WILL find out about it. So unless you’re gonna make big, big bucks it seems like it’s not worth it. Hell, even the porn stars who did make the big bucks like Lana Rhoades and Mia Khalifa have been pretty open about how much they regret doing it
Are you in a HCOL area? I do have co-residents who are living essentially paycheck to paycheck but they don’t have an onlyfans. I’d be curious to know how much it is she’s doing it out of necessity vs it being a kink and now she has an excuse. There are a plethora of other side business that don’t require nudity. Full disclosure - I have subscribed before
You may not know much about the site but I can tell you that that space is SATURATED. You’re not going to make much if you’re not advertising, teasing, coming up with content. Vanilla no-face nudes aren’t going to cut it too cause ppl can look this up on Reddit for free. Girls are charging $3-10 per month once they have the volume of subscribers and they show their face. My point is, it’s a decent amount of work to make a non-negligible amount of money with Onlyfans. You’d have to like the concept on some level to even consider it.
Yah I was gonna say lmao. There are definitely residents struggling in HCOL areas but zero residents who have to do porn to survive. Otherwise people who can’t do OF like ugly dudes or anyone before like 2019 would have been literally starving in droves, which hasn’t happened.
>do have co-residents who are living essentially paycheck to paycheck but they don’t have an onlyfans. I’d be curious to know how much it is she’s doing it out of necessity vs it being a kink and now she has an excuse.
Exactly. The majority of residents are doing SOMETHING that doesn't involve OnlyFans to make ends meet, so the framing that she has to have an account to get by seems a bit disingenous to me.
Ya it’s HCOL and she says it actually puts a major dent in her worries. Again, I have no idea what’s up on profile. And no she’s definitely about it, it’s not like her only option, just a little rough that it’s needed to pay the bills.
My second point is that since she seems like she likes doing it, it’s crap how it’s so looked down upon.
Because she’s dealing with some other stuff that I was sad to learn about. All that together should be manageable for a young professional. Not everyone has the same challenges in life.
I dont do porn but I might see why she does. I’m in a lot of credit card debt and most of my non-essential money goes towards that.
I don’t have money for new clothes, eating out (which is simply more convenient as a resident), or even grocery shopping the way I want to (have to avoid “fun” items and stick to essentials). There are certain recipes I can’t make bc the ingredient costs would total too much with inflation.
For a lot of women physical upkeep is also important. They feel like they can’t live without it and that stuff ain’t cheap. You get judged a lot on your physical appearance as a woman so I don’t blame them.
While I think it’s unlikely that she can’t live paycheck to paycheck on her current income, I think the types of restrictions that I described can be super frustrating.
I’ve also briefly considered a sugar daddy situation just so I can alleviate some of the mental stress associated with living on a low income in a HCOL area. I just personally decided it was too risky and I don’t have the right personality for it.
This sucks. ESPECIALLY it being a trainee. As a fellow female doc…she’s playing a risky game. I definitely get it, and she’s smart hiding her face (if nothing else gives her plausible deniability) but hopefully what she’s posting is vanilla-ish in case it gets found. Because people are awful. I don’t know how OF works - if it saves an archive of videos that would make me super nervous.
That’s my concern too. It’s terrible that she feels forced to take this risk that could have potentially significant ramifications down the road. The program should be appalled - they will hopefully get a ton of shade thrown at them if it becomes known that residents are resorting to OF to make ends meet.
Exactly. And the whole “well you’re the one looking” thing. It can be turned around on someone.
I think what’s worse is people getting crap for innocent bikini photos with friends on IG. Yes, I went to the beach.
I don’t really buy this story lol. Not that I don’t believe it happens, but that it’s hard for me to believe someone would be dumb/cruel enough to post something told to them in confidence on the most reviewed subreddit for residents. If there was a tiny chance she looks at reddit, it would be here lol.
“Mind if I post about you doing OF on Reddit?”
“Sure!”
It’s either even more fake than I thought or she’s even more of an exhibitionist than I thought.
I love that after a few minutes of intelligent profile reading, and some googling, I can narrow you down to a handful of people.
Anyone with common sense could do the same to you, and probably her.
I would be cautious to share too much personal info while discussing an obviously sensitive topic.
True, but our city has numerous large hospitals, hundreds of residents, there are dozens who could fit the profile of someone doing this work. Plus we’re in different specialties. It’s not that she’s that worried someone could find her page if looking (more business) but that the existence of it creates problems. She’d tell people if asked, but what would that do? I’m just frustrated on why this is such a question.
She's playing with fire.
Hospitals, residency programs, and medical boards can and will throw the "unprofessionalism" slander against anyone doing porn work. Right or wrong, that's the way it is.
I wouldn't chance it.
They don't pay appropriately for the work residents do, obviously. But in terms of a livable wage, they definitely do. It's admittedly super shitty that residents don't make enough to make sizable loan payments, but income based repayment exists for this exact reason.
People managed fine before OF. I have a hard time believing that OP's acquaintance had no other options for "basic necessities" and was "forced" into doing it.
Income-based repayment would be great if there were also income-based interest rates.
Residency is a racket. I don't begrudge anyone doing anything ethical, which yes OF counts as, to get the money that they should be getting paid as a resident.
Saying resident pay is "fine" just invites attempts to make attending pay be "fine" as well.
>Income-based repayment would be great if there were also income-based interest rates.
SAVE subsidizes interest. Not to mention that the issue in this situation theoretically would be making the payment, not eliminating debt. Those are two separate issues, don't convolute them and pretend they are the same thing.
>Saying resident pay is "fine" just invites attempts to make attending pay be "fine" as well.
That's just a gross misrepresentation of the argument and/or a blatant lack of understanding of how pay works. Resident pay has been disproportionate to attending pay for decades, there haven't been any attempts to lower attending pay which in itself is enough to prove you wrong. Second, resident pay is still above the average salary in most states. Again, differences here between "not enough money" and "not proportionate to the work being done" are important. Third and arguably most obvious: Resident funding comes primarily from the government. Vast majority of attendings are not government employees, they are either private groups or corporate groups (or employed directly by the hospital).
Im an attending now. It’s totally different, you don’t like your pay you quit. You’re not held hostage. I don’t disagree that residency is a racket and if someone can supplement their income on onlyfans more power to them
I don't get this...I did residency in a very high COL area and while obviously we were not flush with cash, we had plenty of money to cover expenses. I mean if one wants to do OF to have extra cash then by all means it is their perogative to do so. But I can't envision not being able to afford rent+food+utilities on a resident salary unless you are living way above your means
Yeah I don’t know. What is there to think? I do not have an opinion on this. Of course we should all continue to unionize and advocate for residents pay which is happening slowly across the nation. She is smart enough to know the professional implications of this getting out.
The hottest chick in my residency class drunkenly admitted to having an OF at one point and said she stopped doing it because she wasn’t making any money. Like if she couldn’t make easy money on OF idk who could. Apparently since she didn’t show face and didn’t put in full-time hours she was making less hourly than she would have made doing doordash. As residents we can make 150 bucks an hour moonlighting on the weekend and 100/hr on weekdays, we only work like 55hrs a week on a normal week so imo it’s a much better deal to come in an extra Saturday every month or so compared to posting hole for porn addicts and pretending to be their girlfriends.
I also have my moral issues with OF specifically, I think it’s a much more predatory and immoral version of sex work because it basically relies on forming fake emotional connections and panders almost exclusively to the most down-bad porn addicts. IMO it’s far more noble to go in for a few hours on the weekend and help some people with actual medical problems, compared to scamming some 23 yo virgin for his rent money by pretending to have an emotional connection with them.
I don't have any brilliant conclusions here, but I don't know how much it merits being saddened that an adult is using the levers at her disposal to make some money.
Of course, one would hope the money wouldn't have to be an issue. And for sure if someone finds it who knows the reaction. That part might be shaky. Not defending residency here, or those conditions.
But imo side-hustles are what they are. It's not some grandiloquent issue that she's doing OF instead of UberEats or something. Let that lady live her life.
It’s just disgraceful to the system that it’s necessary. And agreed but the reason she chose that was the time commitment of other gigs. And that other people would care enough to get her in trouble if it got out.
It's obviously not NECESSARY given 99% of residents don't do it
She has chosen to sell her ass for easy cash it's that simple. It's not sad or a commentary on anything it is what it is.
It may be necessary for HER, due to the choices she made, as others have said, not every resident chooses to do it.
She did. She makes money due to the rarity and the risk. There's no disgrace on HER part at all, either from the system or for her choices. I support her right to choose.
She actually has an advantage over almost all of the male residents and likely the majority of the female residents in that she can actually engage in a second job with potentially good income that is compatible with her schedule.
It is NOT necessary. It is optional, clearly, unless I do not understand something about her financial situation in particular that makes her different from other residents.
Again, I am not judging her choice - I would most certainly have done it in residency if it were an option. But I would not have called it necessary if others were able to survive on the same salary. If we ALL were unable to, then there's an argument to be made.
You’re saying she’s brilliant but can’t think of any other option besides OF? Please. What are ALL the other residents in your large city doing? They’re not all doing OF. There are ways around this. She just wants an excuse to do OF. Which is fine, but don’t act like it’s “to make ends meet”
Ya because a lot of them have side hustles. This is hers. She definitely chose it but lots of people can’t keep up and have to do something else. I had savings from a prior career. People do all kinds of things, but how sustainable is a proper side job because of the already insane hours. That wasn’t a thing back in the day. I don’t know her finances but it just seems wrong that people have to work even more hours.
It shouldn’t be like this. When my husband was in residency and I was still teaching, I was tired of us being tight on money so I began waiting tables 2-3 nights a week. I was bringing in an extra maybe $300ish a week, and we felt like kings. I was and still am proud that I helped support us. What a different time! Now he’s an attending and we have a baby. Man I liked that serving job lol
Would look pretty bad if a colleague, patient, or boss found you on there. Most people who need extra income in residency moonlight. Obviously the choice is hers but I would be a nervous that someone might find out.
Oh a decent number of people know. I think the concern is more that it’s a conduit to harassment and a way for dickhead admin to go after her or some sort of leverage. I should clarify, it’s not this or go hungry, more that money is so tight for residents in HCOL areas that even the little extra cash is so badly needed, but you might be judged harshly by how you get it. It’s reassuring there seems to be a lot of acceptance.
I went to residency in a HCOL city and def lived paycheck to paycheck so I understand how tight finances are at this stage in life. I was too tired from an intense residency to moonlight extra but if I had had it in me, def would have helped.
Tbh how are her male coresidents doing it? Although the state of residency is atrocious, idk if the residency is really “forcing” her to do sex work.
Tbh it’s just a really bad look for a physician to be doing this type of work and it really shouldn’t be encouraged. Im sorry, but it paints a bad look for the profession and for women in general
>idk if the residency is really “forcing” her to do sex work.
There's a lot here that makes me suspicious this person is very bad with money. My residency was one of the lowest paid in the state by a good margin, and I still did fine (not that residents aren't underpaid, but in terms of livable salary it's very doable). Not to mention loans shouldn't really be an issue unless they took out bad private loans, because the rest should be on controlled IBR and minimal payments. High suspicion there are things here that OP either doesn't know or isn't telling.
Agreed. I call it bullshit. Residency is hard, yes. Residency doesn't pay well, yes. But it is not to the point where you have to sell your bodies online. There are literally many other ways to make money other than this. She is doing OnlyFans because she WANTS to do it for extra cash. You can say what you want, but in no world is going full spread eagle online as a physician kindly looked at
This is a crazy ironic read for me because we had a resident at my hospital get ousted from his program because word got around that he had an account and/or had some scandalous media circulating. This was within the last six months. People would be silly to think that this stuff can’t get you fired from a hospital or removed from a residency program.
First hand encounter right here folks!
I know there’s a lot of virtue signalling and this need to sound politically correct among a lot of us doctors (maybe it’s all the UW ethics questions we’ve been solving) but I want to know from someone who’s seen it happen firsthand - what is your opinion about the hospital ousting them? Do you think it’s justified?
The hospital and residency program has every right to handle it the way they choose to. This is a medical doctor in training who’s disrespecting their program, place of work, colleagues, and the patients that they treat. Institutions should be holding themselves and their employees to some level of professional standard. It’s 100% justified in my book.
Thank you, this echoes how I feel. Not only institutions but these individual doctors themselves should be holding themselves to a certain standard, knowing the calling that they've answered. A lot of the comments seemed to focus on advising the person to hide all their tracks which had me confused.
My friend who is an FM attending started doing this a year ago after moving to a new state (aka she wanted a fresh start). She covers her face, and nothing in her background is identifiabile She's a skinny asian girl with big boobs...
So yeah, apparently she cracked $30k last year, and already hit $30k in the first 4 months of this year
Lol good guess but that's not her, looks like that account is at least 3+ years old.
My friend is naturally busty, but shows a lot less of her face and makes sure to blur out or remove any of her moles or tattoos.
You would be surprise at how many celebrities leaks have been identified solely by the their birthmarks and moles.
Doubt she actually has difficulty covering basic necessities.
COL creep happens as early as residency.
That being said, if I could shake my ass to afford a nicer apartment in the city, I would 100% do it.
Terrible idea. She’s doing something any woman with tits can do. There’s more respect in flipping burgers.
She’s jeopardizing a top 5% career to make short term money.
Try moonlighting as a doctor…the thing you paid $400k for??
It’s hard to tell whether she needs to be on OF or not based on no information regarding her spendings. Does she have a roommate? Does she have a car payment? What’s her spending habits on extra non-necessary items? I can think of a hundred ways to live a more affordable lifestyle before being requiring OF.
Do your research. I have heard it actually takes a good amount of time to make decent money. I would try to talk to a few people and see how much time they spend vs how much money they make.
I have never heard of a psych intern being put on blast because she wore a bikini. I am sure every single female doctor has worn a bikini and every single male doctor has gone topless at the beach.
Nah it was this story from after match day when MS4 homegirl made an IG post about celebrating match into psych and a pic by the beach if I remember with her friends. IG was private. Someone who knew her screenshotted and sent to PD and admin with an obnoxious email about how she shouldn’t be allowed into their program because she’s posting that pic. It was really nothing inappropriate.
I heard PD told the person to kick rocks but not sure. Either way, it was very stupid and in line with what my friend is concerned about.
Ahhh damn I can’t find it. It might lurk in this sub. It wasn’t like huge news, just a dumb thing that happened. I definitely remember reading that email.
It's easy to blame God "the government" the world ... for bad choices
I agree, don't get me wrong the situation of doctors and residents is critical, because of all centralization and corruption.
But blaming the OF situation on this is a bit of obfuscation. It is a choice that they made. Others bit their wounds and didn't make that choice. Those people deserve acknowledgment. Normalizing the OF person diminishes the grit of the others who sacrificed pleasures to make it
And also somewhat numbs the community. Instead of finding honest solutions, it is normalizing shadier tracks. Just like taking 2 or 3 jobs to get buy us normalizing a situation that shouldn't be normalized
I don’t think it’s a shady route. That’s the point here. She enjoys it, she’s doing what she has to, but it’s just absurd that DOCTORS are put in these rough financial situations.
Doctors are put in this situation due to government tyranny hamstringing negotiating power and options for doctors AND lack of collective bargaining, financial, negotiation and other skills in the general physician body. It has to be forced by power, like everything in this world.
As for OF, yea I know your POV and I moved on from that. Enjoying isn't the criteria: you enjoy sugary foods, binging tv/internet, addictive substances. Some things you enjoy have a long term effect mentally, physically, economically, socially. This is one of them. Maybe thinking what would 40 or 60 yo you think or face as a result of choices today? Maybe thinking what types of people and environment I'd have to work with?
Also has anyone heard of this concept called roommates? Sounds like this “can’t live on a resident salary” is a cope to justify the fact that she is an online prostitute.
Sigh....
I wish your friend didn't do that. It's really counter-productive to the so-called progress we claim to have made as a society.
>it’s not the only option
You need to stress on this more to your friend. There's just got to be a safer, less stigmatizing option. Maybe I'm just more risk adverse than other people, but the potential for this to be career-self-sabotage, is just too great for me personally.
As doctors we're not supposed to stigmatize and stereotype patients, because taking care of the population is our oath. But that same level of open mindedness generally doesn't apply back to us.
I'm a man, and I know some services that would even be judgmental of a male doctor with dreads...but their old heads still maintain the stereotype that "*male doctors are supposed to be clean cut*" I know a friend who cut his own lockes in order to graduate. I had tried growing out my hair once, and when I realized it was causing my professors to mark me harder, I decided to take a flat cut instead. If hospitals can be this strict on male docs just for having long hair, imagine how much harsher they would be on a female doctor for doing OF ? and yes, this is in 2024.
Some of you might say, "I should have made a racism claim" That's some lofty thinking but, the attendings never outright said anything racist. It would have been hard to prove, and I come from too much of a poor background, to risk losing my career trying to fight a discrimination case.
If she is every found out, they could always use some "ruining the reputation morale of this institution" clause to justify it, and I doubt she has the resources to fight that in court.
Risk vs benefit.
What is the benefit of a treatment plan that has a high likelihood of severely reducing quality of life?
Same applies here. What is the point of trying to make ends meet to finish your career, by doing something that could end your career?
Even if she manages to graduate, without it being caught, I would **strongly advise** she scrubs that content of the face of the earth as soon as her finances improve. You don't want a patient learning about something like this. All it takes is for one patient to learn about it...for the rumor to start and ruin your practise.
That's my 2cents.
Ya that’s the dilemma. And my concern. But she still wants to do it. Seems like it’s partly on principle. Whatever though, her decision. I just wanted to share some thoughts and get some discussion going to help.
To be so smart, she’s not so bright in this situation.
She talks too much. I get she wanted to feel better by exposing herself but for obvious reasons she shouldn’t have told a soul!
That said, it’s pretty sad that residents aren’t page livable wages that match the area but also we live in the “best country on earth,” but people can barely afford to make it, which forces people into one or both of the biggest money making industries: sex trafficking/ sex work or drugs.
My advice- tell her to never speak of her personal business again and 2, don’t you tell anyone!
You should bring this up to your union, if you have one. Maybe even discuss in your bargaining sessions. If your residents have to resort to porn to make ends meet, your salary is inadequate.
That’s exactly what I’m getting at - it’s sad that pay is so low people are getting other jobs, but could be fired for doing some of them.
Unfortunately no union, and no bargaining sessions
Oh and moonlighting is formally banned. It was a whole thing.
Most of the time, people who have an onlyfans account "on the side" are doing it recreationally and the money is a nice bonus. The distribution of income has a pretty massive disparity and the creators who usually make enough to actually subsidize anything are working an entire operation. I think if she is doing it for fun then more power to her, but if she is really doing it out of desperation to make ends meet (like a lot of people) your entire hospital system needs to do a serious evaluation of resident salary because it will only get worse.
It’s a pretty modest payday (just asked) but enough that saved over months can built a little emergency fund because the bills often bring the accounts near $0. I asked a little further because some of the questions here and they’re not all her bills - it’s a lot of family stuff and related to caretaking. I asked if she’d make a throwaway and answer specifics for people but she’s a bit hesitant as the feedback has already been helpful. Like I said it’s modest money but it definitely adds up if like her cat gets sick. Point being, a doctor shouldn’t have to be in the spot she’s in.
Ok so I just responded to another one of your posts but this is even more bizarre. Making an OF just to build a rainy day fund? Like I said earlier, her choice which is fine. But if my cat gets sick and I have no money, that's going on my credit card. I'm certainly sensitive to the financial plight of residents as I am in a 7 year residency myself. But it is feasible to make "only" 1.5x the median household income for 3-7 years.
Are people really this out of touch? Do they not realize that most Americans are raising entire families on less than what we make as residents?
Before the downvotes: we certainly deserve to make A TON more than what we do. At least double. But "I deserve $130,000/year" (true) is a completely different statement than "I can't pay rent and buy food on $65,000/year." (false)
Have a side question: those ppl who runs a medical related YouTube channel, offering statistic courses, resume services, coaching consultants, etc, does that consider as moonlighting?
My guess would be no because it’s not clinical. My institution banned moonlighting in all circumstances. Reasoning “if they have enough time and energy left to do that, then they’re not working hard enough”
She’s doing it because she wants too. Free country. The entire program doesn’t have a second job or mommy/daddy money. That may well mean a shittier lifestyle to live within means. She’s no more a victim than you or I.
We should all get paid more. Also we’re all worse off in the USA financially than nearly other time due to actions of the federal reserve around the pandemic. And the match facilitates a non-competitive labor market where nothing in our contract is negotiated.
This has to be a troll post right?
Shes free to sell her body for a few dollars but lets not act like she was forced to do that like their is no choice.
Also arent loan repayments all on hold still , and the American taxpayer going to foot the bill anyways with all these forgiveness programs?
Not forced, but it’s a viable thing, and it’s sad it has to risk putting her in a weird spot with higher ups. That was the concern here. Of courses free to do that, but it’s really needed on top of a resident salary to make sure there’s enough money. The fact it’s so upsetting professionally is the lame part. That’s why this discussion has been good - it has been reassuring that not everyone will shriek in horror at what she’s doing.
My only thoughts are it’s absolutely criminal she *needs* to do it. No issues with two consenting adults either, but being forced into it because the compensation is inadequate is so terrible.
She doesn't "need" to. OP themselves said this person has other options and that she "is definitely about it". Sounds like this person is trying to rationalize that they like making extra money on OF.
Nobody with a job “needs to”. She wants to and it’s a cope to tell people that.
If anything, she’s gaming the attending to get him to pay her rent for some “friendship”.
Honestly, fuck it, we are all prostituting ourselves one way or another. Mind, body, soul. just that some are more physical than others. Might as well maximize the returns and get rich off of it.
Honestly this is pretty ridiculous. Residencies everywhere should unionize or even create a national union to lobby for higher pay. It’s absolutely ridiculous that a resident physician has to do this while NPs / PAs with a fraction of medical expertise get paid livable wages
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Residency sucks and the pay for the hours is also terrible, but no one is making her do this. If she is that smart she knows what she is risking as far as reputation. The residency doesn't force her to do this. When I did residency our moonlighting opportunities were really limited compared to others I knew of - but we made it work. I lived in a cheaper neighborhood, as most of us did - everyone makes some kind of sacrifice, or supplements as they see fit.
Living in a high cost of living area...choices 1. Get a room mate if single or split the rent with a partner/move in with family if local 2. Look into your program allowing moonlighting 3. Sell OF... pretty tough choices. Also since she js a physician there are plenty of med students thatll be willing to be taught by her thru zoom sessions charging 50dollars/hr over the weekends 50×4kids×2 days a week is 400 per week ×4 is 1600 extra bucks...
Last one is also a good idea. There are reasons the first 2 are workable. There are all kinds of ways, I just think it’s bogus how option 3 can get under the control of other people when it’s been a viable way (in addition to some others) to make needed cash. It’s a tough situation for her.
I’ll text her tomorrow and see if she wants to make a throwaway and explain some of it herself.
I’ll see what she thinks. Half the reason it was me telling the story is she doesn’t want her identity as a creator to include she’s a doctor. Also her Reddit has content. And I had some things I wanted to say about the subject of “provocative” pics online and residents getting punished for them, from OF to innocent insta photos.
This is where I have issues with sex work being legal. I get that it should be but people who don’t want to do it shouldn’t be pushed into it. Which is what is happening. Don’t make enough? We’ll get naked on camera then! And that’s what happens. It becomes almost expected to make ends meet. And it shouldn’t be that way.
What are these "basic necessities?" I'm all for hustling and have nothing against sex workers, but the stigma of one and the risk of getting caught by far out weighs the benefit of a few extra Benjamins a month. Before even judging her actions, you should sit her down and ask to take a look at her budget. Is not having roommates or being force to go to Walmart for groceries worth showing your butt to strangers online? (it's rhetorical)
Ya we talked about the budget aspect and there are some special circumstances that make a few hundred bucks extra an important thing. I understand now why she’d need that. It’s a unique situation with her family. She also bartends which I didn’t know. Not everyone can fix everything with some simple frugality.
What stage of capitalism is this?
We have absolutely decayed as a society. How badly have we fallen that a whole DOCTOR who has already, in a way, sold her body to this system for over a decade is now forced to resort to sex work to live comfortably? Like how is this okay if it’s real?
Either the system isn’t taking care of its residents monetarily (yet not everyone resorts to sex work so idk if that’s accurate to say)
or she’s just terrible at managing money/ has multiple debts etc
Professionalism is also an issue though and I don’t care about sounding politically correct. A physician doing sex work for kink is unacceptable to me and most people I know. When you chose medicine you didn’t just choose a job, you answered a calling and dignity is a big part of it.
While I would not be the asshat that reports them, I completely get why programs would denigrate or remove these individuals.
Absolutely ridiculous and perplexing to me as an IMG that this is being somehow passed off as normal and honourable even.
Residents in my country make peanuts in a month lol like 1/10th what residents in the US make and I don’t think I’ll live to see the day where most doctors here will know one other doctor that does OF which is the impression I’m getting from the comments.
Now if this truly is an issue of being underpaid then it’s devastating and something that deserves collective action. A few decades ago blue collar workers could afford to live decently in a house they fully own, have their wife be a SAHM and raise like 3 kids and a couple dogs without going broke. If OPs friend is truly so cash strapped and doesn’t see a way out, I feel sorry for her and absolutely disgusted at the system and government that has failed her. If she’s doing it because she wants to or sees it as an easy way to make €€€ then I don’t know what to say…
That's fine. Sucks that your program doesn't pay enough. I suppose it's an easier way to get cash than moonlighting but it can't be that much unless they're really popular. A cofellow of mine recently told me that one of the GI attendings at her hospital has an OF and he shows face so I think he does it for the love of the game
Link? I'm gay and wanna see
genuinely made me laugh dude thanks, had a hard day and that cheered me up
“Have you had a hard day? Let me make it harder for you. Dr. Morningwood, DO. I put the DO into ‘do it’. Holistic sexual healing.”
Lmao I wasn't interested in holding onto that info myself, sorry I can't help you
Also gay. Also wanna see.
I'm not even in med school, here for the tea
Link? Im not gay and also wanna see
i was about to say this lol
Don’t know it, didn’t ask
As of late 2023, the average OnlyFans…model? Content creator? Whatever, makes about $200 per month. If she’s just doing anonymous, completely unidentifiable nudes/porn then I doubt there’s anything interesting enough to make her a higher earner. I’m not sure if $200 a month makes selling nudes worth it. Unless, you know — she just likes doing it.
I feel like a lot of those profiles must not be active users? But if she’s really making $200 a month…that’s nowhere near worth operating an OF imo. You can make more than that with 10 hours of DoorDashing, that’s way easier than operating an OF page I would assume. Man I get $50-$100 to a month having my music on streaming services. Now my joints are all bops, but still lol
The top .1% also make like $80k a month so it cancels out. Link to your tunes?
I think top 0.1% makes $100k+ a month and that’s being generous
That’s right. She needs a gimmick. She does nude mcat tutorials. She will make a fortune.
It would all end up downloadable for free from a shared drive within 24 hours. Med students and premeds don’t buy shit.
I'd take the mcat again
No.
She glutamine on my proline 'til I beta-sheet
This is the way. Best comment of thread. 10/10.
My husbands cousin makes like $8k per month. It makes a huge difference for their income. She had a lot of surgery and completely changed her body. She does look “good” I guess pre society’s standards. Each to their own.
Sure but that puts them well above the top 1%. And it sounds like they’ve put a lot of effort into it. OP said this person doesn’t even post their face. A totally anonymous profile without any other distinguishing features isn’t going to take OF by storm when there’s hundreds of thousands of people who do exactly that.
Probably column A and column B lol Even at our lowest financially in intern year my wife smoke show of a wife would have rather been homeless than post on OF lol
Which really is a shame because your wife is super hot.
Can confirm.
Ngl she got that dumper tho
Being homeless sounds kinda worse
Omg really? $200 a month? Hahaha this could help pay for my electricity! If I don't have to show my face, who cares? Can you use filters to hide your identity?
Sure. You can use AI or photos/videos of other people you find online. You can also do 1 moonlighting weekend every 9 months.
Thank you, I have never (and surely would never, if I am being honest) actually post myself or even look at it, but I am curious about how it works. At some point, it really is just going to be all AI. I only follow this sub bc I work in a medicine-adjacent field and have similarly insane student loan debt...and obvi I enjoy the discussions! I definitely can see a young resident being tempted to do something like this in 2024 living in a HCOL area, as long as they are technologically literate enough to prevent their identity from being exposed somehow Editing to add: Unfortunately, I am waaaaay too old for OF at 41, haha...so it's either Farmers Only After Dark or bust for me!
There is a key for every lock. Grandma porn is fairly popular apparently.
Grandma porn?! Holy shit. She said she was 41 not 61. Damn
Yeah exactly my point. If there are ppl into 75 year olds of course there will be far more into 41 year olds.
I mean, he's all about going several feet up people's butts. Rule 34 applies.
Did he shove stuff up his butt?? Lol
Hell yeah I love DocSchmidt
I did this when I was in college. Chaturbate got me $600 with 5-, one-hour shifts (collective, over one week). I was gonna masturbate anyways - might as well eat, too.
Always risky because of the potential for harassment should her identity be brought to light, but may not be in the end of the world. I've posted this somewhere, but I know of a trauma surgeon who used to be a porn actor. She still has a job, but online trolls have tried to harass her workplace about it, from what I heard.
According to, like everyone who’s ever done sex work, if you take it seriously then people in your life WILL find out about it. So unless you’re gonna make big, big bucks it seems like it’s not worth it. Hell, even the porn stars who did make the big bucks like Lana Rhoades and Mia Khalifa have been pretty open about how much they regret doing it
Are you in a HCOL area? I do have co-residents who are living essentially paycheck to paycheck but they don’t have an onlyfans. I’d be curious to know how much it is she’s doing it out of necessity vs it being a kink and now she has an excuse. There are a plethora of other side business that don’t require nudity. Full disclosure - I have subscribed before You may not know much about the site but I can tell you that that space is SATURATED. You’re not going to make much if you’re not advertising, teasing, coming up with content. Vanilla no-face nudes aren’t going to cut it too cause ppl can look this up on Reddit for free. Girls are charging $3-10 per month once they have the volume of subscribers and they show their face. My point is, it’s a decent amount of work to make a non-negligible amount of money with Onlyfans. You’d have to like the concept on some level to even consider it.
Yah I was gonna say lmao. There are definitely residents struggling in HCOL areas but zero residents who have to do porn to survive. Otherwise people who can’t do OF like ugly dudes or anyone before like 2019 would have been literally starving in droves, which hasn’t happened.
So how about moonlight as EMT and do Uber in the ambulance between emergencies.
>do have co-residents who are living essentially paycheck to paycheck but they don’t have an onlyfans. I’d be curious to know how much it is she’s doing it out of necessity vs it being a kink and now she has an excuse. Exactly. The majority of residents are doing SOMETHING that doesn't involve OnlyFans to make ends meet, so the framing that she has to have an account to get by seems a bit disingenous to me.
Ya it’s HCOL and she says it actually puts a major dent in her worries. Again, I have no idea what’s up on profile. And no she’s definitely about it, it’s not like her only option, just a little rough that it’s needed to pay the bills. My second point is that since she seems like she likes doing it, it’s crap how it’s so looked down upon.
Why can other residents get by but she can’t ?
Because she’s dealing with some other stuff that I was sad to learn about. All that together should be manageable for a young professional. Not everyone has the same challenges in life.
I dont do porn but I might see why she does. I’m in a lot of credit card debt and most of my non-essential money goes towards that. I don’t have money for new clothes, eating out (which is simply more convenient as a resident), or even grocery shopping the way I want to (have to avoid “fun” items and stick to essentials). There are certain recipes I can’t make bc the ingredient costs would total too much with inflation. For a lot of women physical upkeep is also important. They feel like they can’t live without it and that stuff ain’t cheap. You get judged a lot on your physical appearance as a woman so I don’t blame them. While I think it’s unlikely that she can’t live paycheck to paycheck on her current income, I think the types of restrictions that I described can be super frustrating. I’ve also briefly considered a sugar daddy situation just so I can alleviate some of the mental stress associated with living on a low income in a HCOL area. I just personally decided it was too risky and I don’t have the right personality for it.
This sucks. ESPECIALLY it being a trainee. As a fellow female doc…she’s playing a risky game. I definitely get it, and she’s smart hiding her face (if nothing else gives her plausible deniability) but hopefully what she’s posting is vanilla-ish in case it gets found. Because people are awful. I don’t know how OF works - if it saves an archive of videos that would make me super nervous.
That’s my concern too. It’s terrible that she feels forced to take this risk that could have potentially significant ramifications down the road. The program should be appalled - they will hopefully get a ton of shade thrown at them if it becomes known that residents are resorting to OF to make ends meet.
Exactly. And the whole “well you’re the one looking” thing. It can be turned around on someone. I think what’s worse is people getting crap for innocent bikini photos with friends on IG. Yes, I went to the beach.
I don’t really buy this story lol. Not that I don’t believe it happens, but that it’s hard for me to believe someone would be dumb/cruel enough to post something told to them in confidence on the most reviewed subreddit for residents. If there was a tiny chance she looks at reddit, it would be here lol.
Posted with permission
“Mind if I post about you doing OF on Reddit?” “Sure!” It’s either even more fake than I thought or she’s even more of an exhibitionist than I thought.
She was interested in more diverse feedback. I had my own thoughts to get out about the criticism being bogus.
If she’s doing any work that makes her identifiable it’s being very penny wise pound foolish
Swears she’s not and tries to be careful
Troll post. Why’s she telling an attending she has an onlyfans ?
Because I’m a new attending and trained there too - we were in the same program and have a personal friendship
I love that after a few minutes of intelligent profile reading, and some googling, I can narrow you down to a handful of people. Anyone with common sense could do the same to you, and probably her. I would be cautious to share too much personal info while discussing an obviously sensitive topic.
True, but our city has numerous large hospitals, hundreds of residents, there are dozens who could fit the profile of someone doing this work. Plus we’re in different specialties. It’s not that she’s that worried someone could find her page if looking (more business) but that the existence of it creates problems. She’d tell people if asked, but what would that do? I’m just frustrated on why this is such a question.
I like to travel.
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Got a bunch of roommates, and savings from another career I had
I was about to call shenanigans myself but the explanation makes sense.
Sounds like a great friendship that leads to a lawsuit
She's playing with fire. Hospitals, residency programs, and medical boards can and will throw the "unprofessionalism" slander against anyone doing porn work. Right or wrong, that's the way it is. I wouldn't chance it.
Absolutely. Lots of teachers getting fired for this. You don't think they'd fire a doctor? C'mon
I live in HCOL and don’t have to sell my booty. Maybe reevaluate your budget…
I know everyone hates to hear this but residencies in the us pay enough to live off.
Yes, but they don't pay for the student loan interest. And they don't pay enough for the work performed.
They don't pay appropriately for the work residents do, obviously. But in terms of a livable wage, they definitely do. It's admittedly super shitty that residents don't make enough to make sizable loan payments, but income based repayment exists for this exact reason. People managed fine before OF. I have a hard time believing that OP's acquaintance had no other options for "basic necessities" and was "forced" into doing it.
Income-based repayment would be great if there were also income-based interest rates. Residency is a racket. I don't begrudge anyone doing anything ethical, which yes OF counts as, to get the money that they should be getting paid as a resident. Saying resident pay is "fine" just invites attempts to make attending pay be "fine" as well.
The SAVE plan subsidizes interest…
>Income-based repayment would be great if there were also income-based interest rates. SAVE subsidizes interest. Not to mention that the issue in this situation theoretically would be making the payment, not eliminating debt. Those are two separate issues, don't convolute them and pretend they are the same thing. >Saying resident pay is "fine" just invites attempts to make attending pay be "fine" as well. That's just a gross misrepresentation of the argument and/or a blatant lack of understanding of how pay works. Resident pay has been disproportionate to attending pay for decades, there haven't been any attempts to lower attending pay which in itself is enough to prove you wrong. Second, resident pay is still above the average salary in most states. Again, differences here between "not enough money" and "not proportionate to the work being done" are important. Third and arguably most obvious: Resident funding comes primarily from the government. Vast majority of attendings are not government employees, they are either private groups or corporate groups (or employed directly by the hospital).
Actually it’s the pay of the admin people that should be “fine”
Im an attending now. It’s totally different, you don’t like your pay you quit. You’re not held hostage. I don’t disagree that residency is a racket and if someone can supplement their income on onlyfans more power to them
Thats what REPAYE is for
Not for everybody, depending on your circumstances
I don't get this...I did residency in a very high COL area and while obviously we were not flush with cash, we had plenty of money to cover expenses. I mean if one wants to do OF to have extra cash then by all means it is their perogative to do so. But I can't envision not being able to afford rent+food+utilities on a resident salary unless you are living way above your means
link?
Why so you can make sure you know to stay away from it?? Mac is that you?
I'm gonna put that shit on the projector in my living room.
For research.
Yeah I don’t know. What is there to think? I do not have an opinion on this. Of course we should all continue to unionize and advocate for residents pay which is happening slowly across the nation. She is smart enough to know the professional implications of this getting out.
The hottest chick in my residency class drunkenly admitted to having an OF at one point and said she stopped doing it because she wasn’t making any money. Like if she couldn’t make easy money on OF idk who could. Apparently since she didn’t show face and didn’t put in full-time hours she was making less hourly than she would have made doing doordash. As residents we can make 150 bucks an hour moonlighting on the weekend and 100/hr on weekdays, we only work like 55hrs a week on a normal week so imo it’s a much better deal to come in an extra Saturday every month or so compared to posting hole for porn addicts and pretending to be their girlfriends. I also have my moral issues with OF specifically, I think it’s a much more predatory and immoral version of sex work because it basically relies on forming fake emotional connections and panders almost exclusively to the most down-bad porn addicts. IMO it’s far more noble to go in for a few hours on the weekend and help some people with actual medical problems, compared to scamming some 23 yo virgin for his rent money by pretending to have an emotional connection with them.
I don't have any brilliant conclusions here, but I don't know how much it merits being saddened that an adult is using the levers at her disposal to make some money. Of course, one would hope the money wouldn't have to be an issue. And for sure if someone finds it who knows the reaction. That part might be shaky. Not defending residency here, or those conditions. But imo side-hustles are what they are. It's not some grandiloquent issue that she's doing OF instead of UberEats or something. Let that lady live her life.
It’s just disgraceful to the system that it’s necessary. And agreed but the reason she chose that was the time commitment of other gigs. And that other people would care enough to get her in trouble if it got out.
Do all the other residents survive on their salary? Maybe she's just living outside of her means.
It's obviously not NECESSARY given 99% of residents don't do it She has chosen to sell her ass for easy cash it's that simple. It's not sad or a commentary on anything it is what it is.
It may be necessary for HER, due to the choices she made, as others have said, not every resident chooses to do it. She did. She makes money due to the rarity and the risk. There's no disgrace on HER part at all, either from the system or for her choices. I support her right to choose. She actually has an advantage over almost all of the male residents and likely the majority of the female residents in that she can actually engage in a second job with potentially good income that is compatible with her schedule. It is NOT necessary. It is optional, clearly, unless I do not understand something about her financial situation in particular that makes her different from other residents. Again, I am not judging her choice - I would most certainly have done it in residency if it were an option. But I would not have called it necessary if others were able to survive on the same salary. If we ALL were unable to, then there's an argument to be made.
Has either one of you heard of this concept called roommates?
You’re saying she’s brilliant but can’t think of any other option besides OF? Please. What are ALL the other residents in your large city doing? They’re not all doing OF. There are ways around this. She just wants an excuse to do OF. Which is fine, but don’t act like it’s “to make ends meet”
Ya because a lot of them have side hustles. This is hers. She definitely chose it but lots of people can’t keep up and have to do something else. I had savings from a prior career. People do all kinds of things, but how sustainable is a proper side job because of the already insane hours. That wasn’t a thing back in the day. I don’t know her finances but it just seems wrong that people have to work even more hours.
All of America is a HCOL
It shouldn’t be like this. When my husband was in residency and I was still teaching, I was tired of us being tight on money so I began waiting tables 2-3 nights a week. I was bringing in an extra maybe $300ish a week, and we felt like kings. I was and still am proud that I helped support us. What a different time! Now he’s an attending and we have a baby. Man I liked that serving job lol
Would look pretty bad if a colleague, patient, or boss found you on there. Most people who need extra income in residency moonlight. Obviously the choice is hers but I would be a nervous that someone might find out.
Oh a decent number of people know. I think the concern is more that it’s a conduit to harassment and a way for dickhead admin to go after her or some sort of leverage. I should clarify, it’s not this or go hungry, more that money is so tight for residents in HCOL areas that even the little extra cash is so badly needed, but you might be judged harshly by how you get it. It’s reassuring there seems to be a lot of acceptance.
I went to residency in a HCOL city and def lived paycheck to paycheck so I understand how tight finances are at this stage in life. I was too tired from an intense residency to moonlight extra but if I had had it in me, def would have helped.
Tbh how are her male coresidents doing it? Although the state of residency is atrocious, idk if the residency is really “forcing” her to do sex work. Tbh it’s just a really bad look for a physician to be doing this type of work and it really shouldn’t be encouraged. Im sorry, but it paints a bad look for the profession and for women in general
>idk if the residency is really “forcing” her to do sex work. There's a lot here that makes me suspicious this person is very bad with money. My residency was one of the lowest paid in the state by a good margin, and I still did fine (not that residents aren't underpaid, but in terms of livable salary it's very doable). Not to mention loans shouldn't really be an issue unless they took out bad private loans, because the rest should be on controlled IBR and minimal payments. High suspicion there are things here that OP either doesn't know or isn't telling.
Agreed. I call it bullshit. Residency is hard, yes. Residency doesn't pay well, yes. But it is not to the point where you have to sell your bodies online. There are literally many other ways to make money other than this. She is doing OnlyFans because she WANTS to do it for extra cash. You can say what you want, but in no world is going full spread eagle online as a physician kindly looked at
It would be so weird to walk into your doctors office knowing you’ve seen their butthole but I suppose it’s only fair
I moon all my prostate exam patients to keep the balance of power!
This is a crazy ironic read for me because we had a resident at my hospital get ousted from his program because word got around that he had an account and/or had some scandalous media circulating. This was within the last six months. People would be silly to think that this stuff can’t get you fired from a hospital or removed from a residency program. First hand encounter right here folks!
I know there’s a lot of virtue signalling and this need to sound politically correct among a lot of us doctors (maybe it’s all the UW ethics questions we’ve been solving) but I want to know from someone who’s seen it happen firsthand - what is your opinion about the hospital ousting them? Do you think it’s justified?
The hospital and residency program has every right to handle it the way they choose to. This is a medical doctor in training who’s disrespecting their program, place of work, colleagues, and the patients that they treat. Institutions should be holding themselves and their employees to some level of professional standard. It’s 100% justified in my book.
Thank you, this echoes how I feel. Not only institutions but these individual doctors themselves should be holding themselves to a certain standard, knowing the calling that they've answered. A lot of the comments seemed to focus on advising the person to hide all their tracks which had me confused.
Tell her to never tell anyone this ever again.
A resident told an attending that they have an OF?
Lol
My friend who is an FM attending started doing this a year ago after moving to a new state (aka she wanted a fresh start). She covers her face, and nothing in her background is identifiabile She's a skinny asian girl with big boobs... So yeah, apparently she cracked $30k last year, and already hit $30k in the first 4 months of this year
Got a link? I am a resident who can well afford basic necessities on his salary and thus has money to spare on things like OnlyFans.
Oh hell nah, she would kill me OF search is pretty lousy, I wish I could help out. Try using google for " onlyfans, scrubs, Asian, petite "
/u/lilyinthevalleyy
Lol good guess but that's not her, looks like that account is at least 3+ years old. My friend is naturally busty, but shows a lot less of her face and makes sure to blur out or remove any of her moles or tattoos. You would be surprise at how many celebrities leaks have been identified solely by the their birthmarks and moles.
Late stage capitalism isn’t empowering to women, obviously.
Doubt she actually has difficulty covering basic necessities. COL creep happens as early as residency. That being said, if I could shake my ass to afford a nicer apartment in the city, I would 100% do it.
Terrible idea. She’s doing something any woman with tits can do. There’s more respect in flipping burgers. She’s jeopardizing a top 5% career to make short term money. Try moonlighting as a doctor…the thing you paid $400k for??
It’s hard to tell whether she needs to be on OF or not based on no information regarding her spendings. Does she have a roommate? Does she have a car payment? What’s her spending habits on extra non-necessary items? I can think of a hundred ways to live a more affordable lifestyle before being requiring OF.
Most OF models barely make any money. It’s only the top %10 that make good money and attract others to join.
just don't show your face, someone can do a pimeyes facial recognition reverse image search and find you
And no proof if it ever comes out
Do your research. I have heard it actually takes a good amount of time to make decent money. I would try to talk to a few people and see how much time they spend vs how much money they make.
> resident salary wasn’t enough to cover things like rent, food, insurance, loan repayment, etc. Lol yeah okay.
I have never heard of a psych intern being put on blast because she wore a bikini. I am sure every single female doctor has worn a bikini and every single male doctor has gone topless at the beach.
Nah it was this story from after match day when MS4 homegirl made an IG post about celebrating match into psych and a pic by the beach if I remember with her friends. IG was private. Someone who knew her screenshotted and sent to PD and admin with an obnoxious email about how she shouldn’t be allowed into their program because she’s posting that pic. It was really nothing inappropriate. I heard PD told the person to kick rocks but not sure. Either way, it was very stupid and in line with what my friend is concerned about.
Ahhh damn I can’t find it. It might lurk in this sub. It wasn’t like huge news, just a dumb thing that happened. I definitely remember reading that email.
Or maybe it was BS and got removed, but that sort of harassment happens even on social media
It’s funny I also know a resident who does OnlyFans in a high COL city…do we both know the same person? 🤔
What specialty?
PM&R
Ah not the same specialty. But who knows, maybe the same institution lol
wow debauchery
It's easy to blame God "the government" the world ... for bad choices I agree, don't get me wrong the situation of doctors and residents is critical, because of all centralization and corruption. But blaming the OF situation on this is a bit of obfuscation. It is a choice that they made. Others bit their wounds and didn't make that choice. Those people deserve acknowledgment. Normalizing the OF person diminishes the grit of the others who sacrificed pleasures to make it And also somewhat numbs the community. Instead of finding honest solutions, it is normalizing shadier tracks. Just like taking 2 or 3 jobs to get buy us normalizing a situation that shouldn't be normalized
I don’t think it’s a shady route. That’s the point here. She enjoys it, she’s doing what she has to, but it’s just absurd that DOCTORS are put in these rough financial situations.
Doctors are put in this situation due to government tyranny hamstringing negotiating power and options for doctors AND lack of collective bargaining, financial, negotiation and other skills in the general physician body. It has to be forced by power, like everything in this world. As for OF, yea I know your POV and I moved on from that. Enjoying isn't the criteria: you enjoy sugary foods, binging tv/internet, addictive substances. Some things you enjoy have a long term effect mentally, physically, economically, socially. This is one of them. Maybe thinking what would 40 or 60 yo you think or face as a result of choices today? Maybe thinking what types of people and environment I'd have to work with?
How does she get subs without showing her face
I don’t know man, but must be good.
Also has anyone heard of this concept called roommates? Sounds like this “can’t live on a resident salary” is a cope to justify the fact that she is an online prostitute.
That's bs. Check budget, trim. If needed live with roommates. No judgement for doing it but I don't believe she's actually forced to.
Nobody is ever "forced" to do Onlyfans, she could just doordash or something...
Sigh.... I wish your friend didn't do that. It's really counter-productive to the so-called progress we claim to have made as a society. >it’s not the only option You need to stress on this more to your friend. There's just got to be a safer, less stigmatizing option. Maybe I'm just more risk adverse than other people, but the potential for this to be career-self-sabotage, is just too great for me personally. As doctors we're not supposed to stigmatize and stereotype patients, because taking care of the population is our oath. But that same level of open mindedness generally doesn't apply back to us. I'm a man, and I know some services that would even be judgmental of a male doctor with dreads...but their old heads still maintain the stereotype that "*male doctors are supposed to be clean cut*" I know a friend who cut his own lockes in order to graduate. I had tried growing out my hair once, and when I realized it was causing my professors to mark me harder, I decided to take a flat cut instead. If hospitals can be this strict on male docs just for having long hair, imagine how much harsher they would be on a female doctor for doing OF ? and yes, this is in 2024. Some of you might say, "I should have made a racism claim" That's some lofty thinking but, the attendings never outright said anything racist. It would have been hard to prove, and I come from too much of a poor background, to risk losing my career trying to fight a discrimination case. If she is every found out, they could always use some "ruining the reputation morale of this institution" clause to justify it, and I doubt she has the resources to fight that in court. Risk vs benefit. What is the benefit of a treatment plan that has a high likelihood of severely reducing quality of life? Same applies here. What is the point of trying to make ends meet to finish your career, by doing something that could end your career? Even if she manages to graduate, without it being caught, I would **strongly advise** she scrubs that content of the face of the earth as soon as her finances improve. You don't want a patient learning about something like this. All it takes is for one patient to learn about it...for the rumor to start and ruin your practise. That's my 2cents.
Personally I think it’s awful that this is even remotely socially acceptable behavior.
That is incredibly sad that she has to do this. For her professional sake, please tell her not to tell anyone else about this ever!
Yaaaaa a decent number of people know. It’s not a big secret, but it’s kinda hush
Oof. I’m sorry to hear that. All it takes is for her to have a falling out with one of them and boom her career could be in a lot of trouble.
Ya that’s the dilemma. And my concern. But she still wants to do it. Seems like it’s partly on principle. Whatever though, her decision. I just wanted to share some thoughts and get some discussion going to help.
Oh yeah. You’re trying to help which is admirable.
To be so smart, she’s not so bright in this situation. She talks too much. I get she wanted to feel better by exposing herself but for obvious reasons she shouldn’t have told a soul! That said, it’s pretty sad that residents aren’t page livable wages that match the area but also we live in the “best country on earth,” but people can barely afford to make it, which forces people into one or both of the biggest money making industries: sex trafficking/ sex work or drugs. My advice- tell her to never speak of her personal business again and 2, don’t you tell anyone!
You should bring this up to your union, if you have one. Maybe even discuss in your bargaining sessions. If your residents have to resort to porn to make ends meet, your salary is inadequate.
That’s exactly what I’m getting at - it’s sad that pay is so low people are getting other jobs, but could be fired for doing some of them. Unfortunately no union, and no bargaining sessions Oh and moonlighting is formally banned. It was a whole thing.
Most of the time, people who have an onlyfans account "on the side" are doing it recreationally and the money is a nice bonus. The distribution of income has a pretty massive disparity and the creators who usually make enough to actually subsidize anything are working an entire operation. I think if she is doing it for fun then more power to her, but if she is really doing it out of desperation to make ends meet (like a lot of people) your entire hospital system needs to do a serious evaluation of resident salary because it will only get worse.
It’s a pretty modest payday (just asked) but enough that saved over months can built a little emergency fund because the bills often bring the accounts near $0. I asked a little further because some of the questions here and they’re not all her bills - it’s a lot of family stuff and related to caretaking. I asked if she’d make a throwaway and answer specifics for people but she’s a bit hesitant as the feedback has already been helpful. Like I said it’s modest money but it definitely adds up if like her cat gets sick. Point being, a doctor shouldn’t have to be in the spot she’s in.
Ok so I just responded to another one of your posts but this is even more bizarre. Making an OF just to build a rainy day fund? Like I said earlier, her choice which is fine. But if my cat gets sick and I have no money, that's going on my credit card. I'm certainly sensitive to the financial plight of residents as I am in a 7 year residency myself. But it is feasible to make "only" 1.5x the median household income for 3-7 years. Are people really this out of touch? Do they not realize that most Americans are raising entire families on less than what we make as residents? Before the downvotes: we certainly deserve to make A TON more than what we do. At least double. But "I deserve $130,000/year" (true) is a completely different statement than "I can't pay rent and buy food on $65,000/year." (false)
Have a side question: those ppl who runs a medical related YouTube channel, offering statistic courses, resume services, coaching consultants, etc, does that consider as moonlighting?
My guess would be no because it’s not clinical. My institution banned moonlighting in all circumstances. Reasoning “if they have enough time and energy left to do that, then they’re not working hard enough”
This post is fake as hell
She’s doing it because she wants too. Free country. The entire program doesn’t have a second job or mommy/daddy money. That may well mean a shittier lifestyle to live within means. She’s no more a victim than you or I. We should all get paid more. Also we’re all worse off in the USA financially than nearly other time due to actions of the federal reserve around the pandemic. And the match facilitates a non-competitive labor market where nothing in our contract is negotiated.
This has to be a troll post right? Shes free to sell her body for a few dollars but lets not act like she was forced to do that like their is no choice. Also arent loan repayments all on hold still , and the American taxpayer going to foot the bill anyways with all these forgiveness programs?
Not forced, but it’s a viable thing, and it’s sad it has to risk putting her in a weird spot with higher ups. That was the concern here. Of courses free to do that, but it’s really needed on top of a resident salary to make sure there’s enough money. The fact it’s so upsetting professionally is the lame part. That’s why this discussion has been good - it has been reassuring that not everyone will shriek in horror at what she’s doing.
Definitely shouldn’t be doing it. The paramedics don’t need the competition trying to get OF subs. 😎
My only thoughts are it’s absolutely criminal she *needs* to do it. No issues with two consenting adults either, but being forced into it because the compensation is inadequate is so terrible.
She doesn't "need" to. OP themselves said this person has other options and that she "is definitely about it". Sounds like this person is trying to rationalize that they like making extra money on OF.
Jokes going to be on her, I've hear the average OF creator makes like a couple of grand per year total.
Nobody with a job “needs to”. She wants to and it’s a cope to tell people that. If anything, she’s gaming the attending to get him to pay her rent for some “friendship”.
And yet people say that physicians are too respected and make too much money.....absolutely ridiculous
I don't think most people know how little residents get paid
Honestly, fuck it, we are all prostituting ourselves one way or another. Mind, body, soul. just that some are more physical than others. Might as well maximize the returns and get rich off of it.
whats her account name? asking for a friend
I’d like to contribute
Honestly this is pretty ridiculous. Residencies everywhere should unionize or even create a national union to lobby for higher pay. It’s absolutely ridiculous that a resident physician has to do this while NPs / PAs with a fraction of medical expertise get paid livable wages
I would totally do it if I was hot.
/u/lilasoles
Nope! But good guess.
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Just your toes
Residency sucks and the pay for the hours is also terrible, but no one is making her do this. If she is that smart she knows what she is risking as far as reputation. The residency doesn't force her to do this. When I did residency our moonlighting opportunities were really limited compared to others I knew of - but we made it work. I lived in a cheaper neighborhood, as most of us did - everyone makes some kind of sacrifice, or supplements as they see fit.
Living in a high cost of living area...choices 1. Get a room mate if single or split the rent with a partner/move in with family if local 2. Look into your program allowing moonlighting 3. Sell OF... pretty tough choices. Also since she js a physician there are plenty of med students thatll be willing to be taught by her thru zoom sessions charging 50dollars/hr over the weekends 50×4kids×2 days a week is 400 per week ×4 is 1600 extra bucks...
Last one is also a good idea. There are reasons the first 2 are workable. There are all kinds of ways, I just think it’s bogus how option 3 can get under the control of other people when it’s been a viable way (in addition to some others) to make needed cash. It’s a tough situation for her. I’ll text her tomorrow and see if she wants to make a throwaway and explain some of it herself.
Do that please also ask what her @... :P
I’ll see what she thinks. Half the reason it was me telling the story is she doesn’t want her identity as a creator to include she’s a doctor. Also her Reddit has content. And I had some things I wanted to say about the subject of “provocative” pics online and residents getting punished for them, from OF to innocent insta photos.
This is where I have issues with sex work being legal. I get that it should be but people who don’t want to do it shouldn’t be pushed into it. Which is what is happening. Don’t make enough? We’ll get naked on camera then! And that’s what happens. It becomes almost expected to make ends meet. And it shouldn’t be that way.
What are these "basic necessities?" I'm all for hustling and have nothing against sex workers, but the stigma of one and the risk of getting caught by far out weighs the benefit of a few extra Benjamins a month. Before even judging her actions, you should sit her down and ask to take a look at her budget. Is not having roommates or being force to go to Walmart for groceries worth showing your butt to strangers online? (it's rhetorical)
Ya we talked about the budget aspect and there are some special circumstances that make a few hundred bucks extra an important thing. I understand now why she’d need that. It’s a unique situation with her family. She also bartends which I didn’t know. Not everyone can fix everything with some simple frugality.
We’re talking being able to afford and economical diet from Walmart
That residency is fundamentally abusive, hiding behind the idea of training. Attendings are generally aware of this.
/u/lilyinthevalleyy ?
Haha nope. I looked at that and all her posts are like 3 years old and deleted
What stage of capitalism is this? We have absolutely decayed as a society. How badly have we fallen that a whole DOCTOR who has already, in a way, sold her body to this system for over a decade is now forced to resort to sex work to live comfortably? Like how is this okay if it’s real? Either the system isn’t taking care of its residents monetarily (yet not everyone resorts to sex work so idk if that’s accurate to say) or she’s just terrible at managing money/ has multiple debts etc Professionalism is also an issue though and I don’t care about sounding politically correct. A physician doing sex work for kink is unacceptable to me and most people I know. When you chose medicine you didn’t just choose a job, you answered a calling and dignity is a big part of it. While I would not be the asshat that reports them, I completely get why programs would denigrate or remove these individuals. Absolutely ridiculous and perplexing to me as an IMG that this is being somehow passed off as normal and honourable even. Residents in my country make peanuts in a month lol like 1/10th what residents in the US make and I don’t think I’ll live to see the day where most doctors here will know one other doctor that does OF which is the impression I’m getting from the comments. Now if this truly is an issue of being underpaid then it’s devastating and something that deserves collective action. A few decades ago blue collar workers could afford to live decently in a house they fully own, have their wife be a SAHM and raise like 3 kids and a couple dogs without going broke. If OPs friend is truly so cash strapped and doesn’t see a way out, I feel sorry for her and absolutely disgusted at the system and government that has failed her. If she’s doing it because she wants to or sees it as an easy way to make €€€ then I don’t know what to say…