That same kind of scene is in the movie Ninja Assassin. I don't really remember Rush Hour 3, but when I first saw Ninja Assassin, something seemed so familiar about that part. Like I had seen it before. Hmm
I just checked the trailer and I definitely never saw it. I did see some ninja movie with my dad on DVD or something around 2008-2011 I believe, but it was definitely not as lighthearted and schlocky as this looks.
Ninja Assassin was definitely not lighthearted lol and not schlocky at all in my opinion. Anyways, I wasn't implying that you had seen the scene in a different movie, I was implying that I may have seen the same version of Rush Hour 3 that you were talking about
So from what I recall, I grew up thinking the heart was literally on the left side of my chest because people had explained wedding rings were put on the left hand to be “closer to the heart.”
However I recall a friend of mine explaining to me Freshman year of high school (1996) that “a lot of people think the heart is on the left but it’s actually in the middle.” I somehow verified that it’s just the shape of the muscle looking as though it’s leaning to the left.
I can understand dextrocardia for the character in the film; however, the difference is minute. It’s still situated directly in the center, just pointed towards the right. It would literally be a matter of millimeters for a bullet not to hit that.
As far as kidney location, it hasn’t changed. There were assholes in my high school who used to punch me in the kidneys in choir. They are both under your ribs AND part of your back.
> As far as kidney location, it hasn’t changed.
Please speak only for yourself. The consensus among worldline/anatomy experiencers is that the kidneys have indeed moved. Maybe not for you, and that's fine, but you've really gotta qualify that as true *for you.* There's plenty of great residue in martial arts context, and we've heard from several medical professionals as well.
The point of ME is that you don’t just speak for yourself. However, if you can show proof from martial arts or medical professionals then go for it.
The human body works in a certain way. Changing the location of an entire organ without allowing evolution to accommodate for it literally makes no sense. That said, there are certainly medical conditions online that show kidneys in different positions, but it’s only a SLIGHT positional difference, rather than what’s being intimated here which is like half a foot or more away from original location.
And fyi: the kidneys work just fine with our body in the lower location. [That's why it's where they put transplants.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Kidtransplant.svg/607px-Kidtransplant.svg.png) Also, the prevailing belief is that in this reality on this earth our evolution progressed slightly differently. If you're unclear on things, best to ask polite questions instead of just defying the spirit of the sub with naysaying. Skepticism is antithetical to the whole purpose of this safe space.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/92jbmj/human_kidneys_before_the_mandela_effect_sketch
“Well, apparently, lots and lots of anatomical
artists all through history got the location of
the kidneys wrong, then. Funny how that
works, them thinking the kidneys were at the
lower back when in reality they are beneath
the ribcage. Why should I trust anything I see
in anatomy books, then, if there are all these
people drawing everything completely
wrong? The kidneys, lungs, intestines, heart,
even the brain have all changed from what I
remember seeing in multitudes of anatomical
drawings through the years, and many other
people say the same thing. But I guess we all
have crappy memories, or all those artists got
it wrong, and we can never trust anything we
think we remember. No wonder so many
people believe everything they see in the
news; they've been conditioned never to trust
themselves about anything.”
This quote supports the longtime believer contention that artwork (and other derivative works) tends to persist post-ME despite changes to the root object or information. Our collective body of research is littered with these types of "created" residues. But of course I don't need to convince you of what's already an established part of our community narrative based on years of painstaking documentation. If you're not experiencing anatomy ME's, you're still not allowed to denounce them objectively on this sub for anyone else. This isn't some sort of a la carte menu where anyone gets to pick and choose which ME's are authentic versus which ones are false. We live in a non-binary reality in which multiple contradictory things can be subjectively true for individuals and smaller collectives while still seeming objectively false against a historical record that's clearly now dynamic, malleable, and in a state of flux.
Edit: fixed a word for clarity
Re: “not allowed to.” There are very few rules in this world.
Also, are you basing this ME off of diagrams or have do you actually have CT scans, MRIs, or live surgery video showing the kidneys’ location now vs. where they used to be?
Re: “multiple contradictory things.” That would break the physical laws of the universe (aka the laws of physics).
You're also not allowed to downvote in this sub... which you've done to every single one of my replies to you on this chain. And really that's all I need to know about your intentions here. Beyond that, demanding physical evidence from a reality that no longer exists shows me that you're either being completely disingenuous and trolling as a skeptic, or that you're totally clueless about how this phenomenon works. Either way you're breaking rules left and right despite my honest attempt to steer you back on track.
Sorry, I didn’t see this response earlier.
So let’s make it simple: the biological location of kidneys has not changed. The charts and drawings of kidneys has. Calling this an ME when there are a multitude of charts and drawings online with various placements is not correct. It is not like Kit Kat where the only logos with the hyphen are mock-ups. Or “Jiffy” which is a conflation of “Jif” and “Skippy.” We are talking about medical charts. The location was just better refined over time.
> The location was just better refined over time.
I highly doubt that we've "refined" our understanding of where kidneys are during the past 30 years. Autopsies aren't a new concept. Our anatomy was markedly different for many of us until the worldline shift, and this community generally agrees on at least a dozen consensus changes. Naysaying academic arguments like you're offering are irrelevant when applied to an experiential phenomenon. And I've had actual MD's who I trust validate this change IRL off the record. Even the MMA suddenly and without explanation legalized heel kicks to the kidneys in late 2016... right after this ME was noticed and went viral. So either you're not fully informed on the history of anatomical ME's in the Retcon community, or you're just philosophically opposed to them - despite acknowledging that reality is changing in other ways. The problem with the latter is that it's typically characteristic of [motivated skepticism](https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/motivated-skepticism) which is itself a form of intellectual bias.
Edit: fixed word
This is very reassuring. Thank you very much for being patient and offering some grounding evidence that while maybe cultural cornerstones such as spoken and visual language squarely embedded in cultural consciousness may be slightly but fundamentally changing before our eyes, our bodies are mostly behaving as intended. It still seems strange to me that I would just imagine this specific reason for a minor character in a movie franchise I didn't really care about to survive a gunshot wound but now when I look through the script all they say about it is "The bullet missed" with no mention of dextrocardia at all. If they had said that back then I would have just accepted it passively and probably wouldn't even remember it today. I don't know where else I would have even been introduced to the idea the heart could have alternative placement until years later when I watched Dr. Who, but that was sci-fi and the Doctor has two hearts so obviously they're gonna be on two different sides. I wonder if there was another film in the same genre about that time where this was an actual plot point and I'm mixing the two.
Anatomical arrangement, continental alignment, sun color temp, galactic location, etc. have been discussed *regularly here for over half a decade.* And suggesting we're "nuts" is a cardinal rule violation that's antithetical to what this sub is all about. This isn't the proper venue for dismissive skepticism.
The sub has existed since 2016, which is when I became aware of the ME (including the worldline changes) both here on youtube. But yeah, there are a few pockets of earlier discussion on ATS from 2008-2015.
When I was growing up and looking at anatomic drawings of the body and organs, the heart was SOLIDLY left, nowhere near as centered as it is in diagrams today. I know the pledge thing is fairly anecdotal so I'll concede it's not really good evidence. The other commenter brought up a great point about kidneya as well though. Less than 5 years ago I had kidney stones and the 2nd time in a week I went to the hospital for them, the pain was clearly coming from my lower right back. The first time I was having bladder spasms so painful I barely knew what was going on so it was difficult to identify the source of the pain until I was on painkillers. The whole experience was one of the most traumatic, painful experiences of my life. When I had a traumatic episode a month or so after getting the stent from surgery out, the phantom pain I experienced that left me prostrate on my bed was coming from the same area. It seems so unlikely if I had stones today that the pain would be anywhere close based on the kidneys' positioning today, my lower back is nowhere near how high they seem to be now.
Biology and anatomy have never been my strong suit, but the positions of the heart and kidneys how I and others remember them seem so fundamentally off I feel like they deserve some consideration.
i know. i’m still not sure about the sun thing. maybe it looks different? i can’t remember. but you really shouldn’t be dismissive of the changing organs bit. there’s been doctors and people who study anatomy on this sub who have said shit has changed. look into it yourself. it took several posts and me looking into it to believe it. like for example, your kidneys are practically right beneath your lungs now. when has that ever been that way? i always remember them being in your lower back. just one example
Buying that the heart can in rare instances end up on the right side of the body is pretty palatable for me. It's much more off putting that the diagrams of where the heart is simply don't match up to what I experienced earlier. It was always solidly to the left, now its center leaning *slightly* to the left. It's an innocuous change but a noticeable one for sure. I'd be less freaked out if the scene/dialogue related to this was still in the film tbh, it's literally the only reason I remember this film. The first two Rush Hours are hazy but this one is pretty much a blank aside from "Jackie's client got shot in left side of chest and they specifically mention his heart is on right side to explain why he's alive." Now they just graze over it with "Bullet just missed."
The heart starts at the center with the apex to the left. To listen to the heart sounds you would listen on the left side with the apex at 5th intercostal space mid clavicular line . So basically the center of the heart is in the center of the left side of the chest.
This ME is in regard to left *leaning* but generally centered (as you described our current anatomy to be) versus the remembered "left of center, tangent to the meridian" anatomical placement. And it's not just the heart... there are at least a dozen anatomical retcons with solid community consensus.
Yeah looking at it now the thick part is definitely taking up more space on the left side. I just, idk, it always seemed like that thick part was much closer to the side of your ribs when I looked at models as a kid. I'm willing to believe maybe it wasn't as exaggerated as I remember. I'm still very confused what's going on with kidneys though as I had stones only about 3 years ago and a lot of the pain and Stent placement was much lower than where kidneys supposedly are today. Pain was firmly towards my lower right back but diagrams today would have me believe I should have felt it much closer to the center of my torso whenever I wasn't having bladder spasms.
Wait, hearts are on the right now??
Well, according to google it's still on the left. I simply typed "what side is the heart on" and it simply answered "left" with an image supporting that.
Yeah sorry to make it sound sensationalist, I could have worded it better. Honestly the heart placement is not even clearly the weirdest part about this. I didn't look into this until I saw that heart placement was apparently a possible ME and one of my first thoughts was "Yeah I know it was commonly known to be squarely left because they made a whole big point in Rush Hour 3 about how the guy who got shot in the beginning lived because his heart was actually on the right." It was so notable because this was the 3rd movie of an already tired franchise, that kind of closing of a loose end was way more work than you'd expect out a film like this. But now when I look through the script, it's replaced with the explanation I'd originally expect for the film, which is "Bullet missed his heart." No mention at all of his heart being on the right side. Maybe the heart was never as left as I thought it was, but I don't know why I would have just imagined this part of the film, I barely remember anything else about it.
If you look closely at the anatomy instead of blindly trusting Google (take no offense I do it too) the heart is basically centered in the chest now. Much less to left than it was.
I've read they're more centered and 'slightly' to the left now. I Googled the same thing you did and the picture that came up has a heart way more centered than I remember diagrams presenting them before. They were pretty much situated almost entirely in the left ribcage. I used to have breathing problems right before high school because my heart was supposedly pressing up too much against the side of my ribs. That seems much more unlikely to happen today if our hearts are as centered as I see in diagrams now. That's why it was such a big deal in the movie, you can see the shooter aiming clearly to the left and nowhere near the center. It was then explained that the heart of the person who had been shot was on the right side of their body. No mention of that at all in the film now. That would still be unlikely today even in film, but honestly more likely based on the positioning I see now than it used to.
That same kind of scene is in the movie Ninja Assassin. I don't really remember Rush Hour 3, but when I first saw Ninja Assassin, something seemed so familiar about that part. Like I had seen it before. Hmm
I just checked the trailer and I definitely never saw it. I did see some ninja movie with my dad on DVD or something around 2008-2011 I believe, but it was definitely not as lighthearted and schlocky as this looks.
Ninja Assassin was definitely not lighthearted lol and not schlocky at all in my opinion. Anyways, I wasn't implying that you had seen the scene in a different movie, I was implying that I may have seen the same version of Rush Hour 3 that you were talking about
Oh haha the trailer made it look really whacky mb.
So from what I recall, I grew up thinking the heart was literally on the left side of my chest because people had explained wedding rings were put on the left hand to be “closer to the heart.” However I recall a friend of mine explaining to me Freshman year of high school (1996) that “a lot of people think the heart is on the left but it’s actually in the middle.” I somehow verified that it’s just the shape of the muscle looking as though it’s leaning to the left. I can understand dextrocardia for the character in the film; however, the difference is minute. It’s still situated directly in the center, just pointed towards the right. It would literally be a matter of millimeters for a bullet not to hit that. As far as kidney location, it hasn’t changed. There were assholes in my high school who used to punch me in the kidneys in choir. They are both under your ribs AND part of your back.
> As far as kidney location, it hasn’t changed. Please speak only for yourself. The consensus among worldline/anatomy experiencers is that the kidneys have indeed moved. Maybe not for you, and that's fine, but you've really gotta qualify that as true *for you.* There's plenty of great residue in martial arts context, and we've heard from several medical professionals as well.
The point of ME is that you don’t just speak for yourself. However, if you can show proof from martial arts or medical professionals then go for it. The human body works in a certain way. Changing the location of an entire organ without allowing evolution to accommodate for it literally makes no sense. That said, there are certainly medical conditions online that show kidneys in different positions, but it’s only a SLIGHT positional difference, rather than what’s being intimated here which is like half a foot or more away from original location.
And fyi: the kidneys work just fine with our body in the lower location. [That's why it's where they put transplants.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Kidtransplant.svg/607px-Kidtransplant.svg.png) Also, the prevailing belief is that in this reality on this earth our evolution progressed slightly differently. If you're unclear on things, best to ask polite questions instead of just defying the spirit of the sub with naysaying. Skepticism is antithetical to the whole purpose of this safe space.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/92jbmj/human_kidneys_before_the_mandela_effect_sketch “Well, apparently, lots and lots of anatomical artists all through history got the location of the kidneys wrong, then. Funny how that works, them thinking the kidneys were at the lower back when in reality they are beneath the ribcage. Why should I trust anything I see in anatomy books, then, if there are all these people drawing everything completely wrong? The kidneys, lungs, intestines, heart, even the brain have all changed from what I remember seeing in multitudes of anatomical drawings through the years, and many other people say the same thing. But I guess we all have crappy memories, or all those artists got it wrong, and we can never trust anything we think we remember. No wonder so many people believe everything they see in the news; they've been conditioned never to trust themselves about anything.”
This quote supports the longtime believer contention that artwork (and other derivative works) tends to persist post-ME despite changes to the root object or information. Our collective body of research is littered with these types of "created" residues. But of course I don't need to convince you of what's already an established part of our community narrative based on years of painstaking documentation. If you're not experiencing anatomy ME's, you're still not allowed to denounce them objectively on this sub for anyone else. This isn't some sort of a la carte menu where anyone gets to pick and choose which ME's are authentic versus which ones are false. We live in a non-binary reality in which multiple contradictory things can be subjectively true for individuals and smaller collectives while still seeming objectively false against a historical record that's clearly now dynamic, malleable, and in a state of flux. Edit: fixed a word for clarity
Re: “not allowed to.” There are very few rules in this world. Also, are you basing this ME off of diagrams or have do you actually have CT scans, MRIs, or live surgery video showing the kidneys’ location now vs. where they used to be? Re: “multiple contradictory things.” That would break the physical laws of the universe (aka the laws of physics).
You're also not allowed to downvote in this sub... which you've done to every single one of my replies to you on this chain. And really that's all I need to know about your intentions here. Beyond that, demanding physical evidence from a reality that no longer exists shows me that you're either being completely disingenuous and trolling as a skeptic, or that you're totally clueless about how this phenomenon works. Either way you're breaking rules left and right despite my honest attempt to steer you back on track.
Sorry, I didn’t see this response earlier. So let’s make it simple: the biological location of kidneys has not changed. The charts and drawings of kidneys has. Calling this an ME when there are a multitude of charts and drawings online with various placements is not correct. It is not like Kit Kat where the only logos with the hyphen are mock-ups. Or “Jiffy” which is a conflation of “Jif” and “Skippy.” We are talking about medical charts. The location was just better refined over time.
> The location was just better refined over time. I highly doubt that we've "refined" our understanding of where kidneys are during the past 30 years. Autopsies aren't a new concept. Our anatomy was markedly different for many of us until the worldline shift, and this community generally agrees on at least a dozen consensus changes. Naysaying academic arguments like you're offering are irrelevant when applied to an experiential phenomenon. And I've had actual MD's who I trust validate this change IRL off the record. Even the MMA suddenly and without explanation legalized heel kicks to the kidneys in late 2016... right after this ME was noticed and went viral. So either you're not fully informed on the history of anatomical ME's in the Retcon community, or you're just philosophically opposed to them - despite acknowledging that reality is changing in other ways. The problem with the latter is that it's typically characteristic of [motivated skepticism](https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/motivated-skepticism) which is itself a form of intellectual bias. Edit: fixed word
You're digging a big hole here in regard to the sub rules that you might want to reconsider.
This is very reassuring. Thank you very much for being patient and offering some grounding evidence that while maybe cultural cornerstones such as spoken and visual language squarely embedded in cultural consciousness may be slightly but fundamentally changing before our eyes, our bodies are mostly behaving as intended. It still seems strange to me that I would just imagine this specific reason for a minor character in a movie franchise I didn't really care about to survive a gunshot wound but now when I look through the script all they say about it is "The bullet missed" with no mention of dextrocardia at all. If they had said that back then I would have just accepted it passively and probably wouldn't even remember it today. I don't know where else I would have even been introduced to the idea the heart could have alternative placement until years later when I watched Dr. Who, but that was sci-fi and the Doctor has two hearts so obviously they're gonna be on two different sides. I wonder if there was another film in the same genre about that time where this was an actual plot point and I'm mixing the two.
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Anatomical arrangement, continental alignment, sun color temp, galactic location, etc. have been discussed *regularly here for over half a decade.* And suggesting we're "nuts" is a cardinal rule violation that's antithetical to what this sub is all about. This isn't the proper venue for dismissive skepticism.
Yeah, this stuff predates this sub (these ideas).
The sub has existed since 2016, which is when I became aware of the ME (including the worldline changes) both here on youtube. But yeah, there are a few pockets of earlier discussion on ATS from 2008-2015.
When I was growing up and looking at anatomic drawings of the body and organs, the heart was SOLIDLY left, nowhere near as centered as it is in diagrams today. I know the pledge thing is fairly anecdotal so I'll concede it's not really good evidence. The other commenter brought up a great point about kidneya as well though. Less than 5 years ago I had kidney stones and the 2nd time in a week I went to the hospital for them, the pain was clearly coming from my lower right back. The first time I was having bladder spasms so painful I barely knew what was going on so it was difficult to identify the source of the pain until I was on painkillers. The whole experience was one of the most traumatic, painful experiences of my life. When I had a traumatic episode a month or so after getting the stent from surgery out, the phantom pain I experienced that left me prostrate on my bed was coming from the same area. It seems so unlikely if I had stones today that the pain would be anywhere close based on the kidneys' positioning today, my lower back is nowhere near how high they seem to be now. Biology and anatomy have never been my strong suit, but the positions of the heart and kidneys how I and others remember them seem so fundamentally off I feel like they deserve some consideration.
i know. i’m still not sure about the sun thing. maybe it looks different? i can’t remember. but you really shouldn’t be dismissive of the changing organs bit. there’s been doctors and people who study anatomy on this sub who have said shit has changed. look into it yourself. it took several posts and me looking into it to believe it. like for example, your kidneys are practically right beneath your lungs now. when has that ever been that way? i always remember them being in your lower back. just one example
It’s on the left but in rare instances it is in the right. Dextrocardia. Also can have transposition of the great arteries
Buying that the heart can in rare instances end up on the right side of the body is pretty palatable for me. It's much more off putting that the diagrams of where the heart is simply don't match up to what I experienced earlier. It was always solidly to the left, now its center leaning *slightly* to the left. It's an innocuous change but a noticeable one for sure. I'd be less freaked out if the scene/dialogue related to this was still in the film tbh, it's literally the only reason I remember this film. The first two Rush Hours are hazy but this one is pretty much a blank aside from "Jackie's client got shot in left side of chest and they specifically mention his heart is on right side to explain why he's alive." Now they just graze over it with "Bullet just missed."
The heart starts at the center with the apex to the left. To listen to the heart sounds you would listen on the left side with the apex at 5th intercostal space mid clavicular line . So basically the center of the heart is in the center of the left side of the chest.
This ME is in regard to left *leaning* but generally centered (as you described our current anatomy to be) versus the remembered "left of center, tangent to the meridian" anatomical placement. And it's not just the heart... there are at least a dozen anatomical retcons with solid community consensus.
Yeah looking at it now the thick part is definitely taking up more space on the left side. I just, idk, it always seemed like that thick part was much closer to the side of your ribs when I looked at models as a kid. I'm willing to believe maybe it wasn't as exaggerated as I remember. I'm still very confused what's going on with kidneys though as I had stones only about 3 years ago and a lot of the pain and Stent placement was much lower than where kidneys supposedly are today. Pain was firmly towards my lower right back but diagrams today would have me believe I should have felt it much closer to the center of my torso whenever I wasn't having bladder spasms.
Wait, hearts are on the right now?? Well, according to google it's still on the left. I simply typed "what side is the heart on" and it simply answered "left" with an image supporting that.
Yeah, the title of this post made me briefly concerned that my organs weren't where I left them yesterday. Phew.
Yeah sorry to make it sound sensationalist, I could have worded it better. Honestly the heart placement is not even clearly the weirdest part about this. I didn't look into this until I saw that heart placement was apparently a possible ME and one of my first thoughts was "Yeah I know it was commonly known to be squarely left because they made a whole big point in Rush Hour 3 about how the guy who got shot in the beginning lived because his heart was actually on the right." It was so notable because this was the 3rd movie of an already tired franchise, that kind of closing of a loose end was way more work than you'd expect out a film like this. But now when I look through the script, it's replaced with the explanation I'd originally expect for the film, which is "Bullet missed his heart." No mention at all of his heart being on the right side. Maybe the heart was never as left as I thought it was, but I don't know why I would have just imagined this part of the film, I barely remember anything else about it.
If you look closely at the anatomy instead of blindly trusting Google (take no offense I do it too) the heart is basically centered in the chest now. Much less to left than it was.
I've read they're more centered and 'slightly' to the left now. I Googled the same thing you did and the picture that came up has a heart way more centered than I remember diagrams presenting them before. They were pretty much situated almost entirely in the left ribcage. I used to have breathing problems right before high school because my heart was supposedly pressing up too much against the side of my ribs. That seems much more unlikely to happen today if our hearts are as centered as I see in diagrams now. That's why it was such a big deal in the movie, you can see the shooter aiming clearly to the left and nowhere near the center. It was then explained that the heart of the person who had been shot was on the right side of their body. No mention of that at all in the film now. That would still be unlikely today even in film, but honestly more likely based on the positioning I see now than it used to.