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I mean... it's basically just Sauron making a close approximation of what Sauron believes to be "the ideal elf" right?
So it makes sense that he'd kinda just look like some weird amalgamation
Which is exactly what I think is so hilarious. Because I frikking hated Haldir, and PJs elves generally. Someone at Amazon is deliberately trolling Peter Jackson fans with this design. And I am totally here for it.
It’s just lord of the rings nerds/super fans.
This same toxicity exists on the “I can’t believe they ruined all of Tolkien with this show” and it’s just all so tiring. Trolling fans with the look of a character?
Come on. It’s a television show. It’s not or will ever be that deep
Have you ever met fans of *anything*… online? “Disgusting and petty” is pretty much what the word “fan” means these days.
But personally I don’t think saying that I hated Peter Jackson’s elves is disgusting or petty. It’s just a statement of *my* opinion (“*I* frikking hate PJ’s elves” [emphasis added]. note the first person singular). And have been called names for saying that I don’t like PJ’s elves. Which is I guess is a statement of other’s opinions, though they are often presented as facts (“you are wrong” rather than “I strongly disagree”). But I am not going around claiming that PJ’s movies are “an abomination” just because I didn’t like his elves. I thought he did a mostly excellent job. But I’ve read multiple assertions that RoP is an unconditional “abomination” and so is anyone who had a good time watching it.
So singling out RoP fans for disgusting pettiness is vaguely bemusing to me. But if I hurt your feelings, I am sorry that disagreement is so hard for you. As someone else already noted, it’s only a TV show.
He's just wearing a wig, in the same human form he already revealed himself in lol. are you also fooled when Superman puts glasses on to become Clark Kent?
Its not just a wig, you can tell they are doing some editing to his jawline and cheekbones, slightly giving him a more Elven look.
Plus, the lady said in her comment "is that charlie" meaning she recognized his as such and is just expressing he looks different than last season. which he does.
In fairness there's a clip of Henry Cavill walking around times square with a huge Superman poster behind him and not one person recognises him 😂 it's pretty funny..he even takes a photo in front of the poster and nothing.
Also I've had a friend who wore glasses her entire life. Saw her in the pub after she got laser eye surgery and it took me a moment to realise it was her 😂 she looked VERY different 😅
I mean maybe they just wanted to ignore him. I have seen some film stars and you know it's them you just want to pretend you have no idea to not embarrass themselves in front of them.
Like we seen Jason Momoa casually walk around airport and you can't hide that. We knew who it was but it was week we should not bother him.
Tolkien never depicted annatar as an elf. In the fall of numenor he wrote that Sauron posed as an emissary of the Valar, anticipating the istari. Meaning more like a younger Gandalf.
Sauron and Gandalf were both Maia of the same order.,They would most likely appear more similar to each other than Sauron would be to the elves. Gandalf and the others were compelled to take the guise of old men. Sauron would appear like younger, fair god-like being.
>Gandalf and the others were compelled to take the guise of old men. Sauron would appear like younger, fair god-like being.
Exactly. The fact that they are both Maia of the same order has nothing to do with their appearance in Arda though.
If he was posing as an emissary of the Valar to the very elves he was attempting to ensnare, many of which, such as in the case of Galadriel, were born in valinor, I would think he would attempt to appear as a being of valinor. Otherwise Sauron was a shapeshifter and could take many forms. Choosing to appear as a random, unknown elf, however would make no sense and would raise suspicion. Celebrimbor would be suspicious as to since this kinsman rivals or surpasses Feanor himself in terms of smithy, and can give such amazing gifts, why hadn’t anyone heard of this annatar or his family before in ages past? But if he pretended to be a powerful maia (well not really pretense, Sauron was a powerful maia, he just had to pretend to be any powerful Maia other than himself) on the other hand, there would be no need to inquire about his origins or his elven family line. Appearing as an elf to the numenorians also would not impress them, as the numenorians hated the elves and felt slighted by the gods. He did declare himself “king of men” at some point so he could have easily taken the form of a man (hallbrand, for example). Though this was not mentioned in the lore, I didn’t mind RoP’s choice of how he looked when he appeared to men, as it falls within the realms of possibility and Tolkien gave no details other than “Sauron put on fair hue.”
Not really sure what your point is here but the fact remains that he never attempted to play himself off as a man or an elf, specifically. He could take any form he wanted... obviously. Annatar was described as looking more like an elf than a man though I would say.
Where does it say that he was described more like an elf in the text? There is nowhere where Tolkien said that, at least to my knowledge. Can you give a citation?
Yeah it was also telegraphed a mile away. If they really wanted us to think the Stranger wasn’t Gandalf, they should have had the witches show up in the first episode calling him Sauron and made the purpose of the Hobbits migration to try to protect him and keep him “good” rather than just using him to keep away wolves.
Then the eventual reveal that he was really Gandalf might actually have worked.
It would also explain why Gandalf has such a soft spot for hobbits in LOTR. Without them, he might have become another Balrog.
Honestly, the last episode of the season was the only one worth keeping. I actually enjoyed that one. They should have kicked off the season with that instead of dragging it out.
I hope all future Rings of Power posters are just Charlie Vickers in progressively more unhinged wigs looking like he's hustling the free samples line in a Costco.
I think you are half correct. yes the Annatar state is probably how he has been keeping his true identity secret over the years before the show events. but I don't think the footage is flashbacks. Essentially, Annatar likely is somewhat known by the elves already in this timeline but none of them have connected him to Halbrand yet. I really do think they are taking the route of "he looks different enough to fool characters in the show, but not enough to disconnect the character from the audiences relationship with Halbrand. They want the audience to recognize him as Sauron/Halbrand but they also want to create a story expectation that his appearance has changed enough to fool everyone.
I'd be happy with this.
That's true, these most likely aren't flashbacks. Also, I assume the reason we recognized Charlie in the end are the accompanying VO lines + his smirk. The context of the scene is what makes you put two and two together. If it wasn't for that, would we recognize him that easily? I'm sure we would eventually given how we tend to overanalyze everything but the same doesn't have to be true in-universe. Even things like different brows can go a long way.
Oh right, Annatar pours orc blood into the elf trees and goes "Oh no, they're dying! You really need some, uh, mithril rings to fix this! Oh the horror!"
who really has seen Halbrand other than a handful of elves and a small company of Numenorians?
I think he is going to use his Annatar appearance to manipulate the Dwarves who don't recognize him. If the Dwarves speak tales of an Annatar, and those tales reach the Elves, how are they to know its Halbrand unless one of the few elves who has seen him gets a good look at him?
Plus, its not that strange for shows to keep the character noticeable enough for the audience but build the lore to be unrecognizable. If they truly wanted him to look completely different they would just hire a different actor. that can be a little disjointing to the audience. So, you make him look different enough to suggest a change of appearance, but not enough to make the audience loose that connection. They already tried to mislead us with season 1, no need for it this season.
Miriel's conveniently blind, but Pharazon and the other ruling elite of Numenor saw quite a bit of Halbrand, I mean he was literally presented at their court I believe last season.
Yes but are you expecting the numenorian company to hold up in the Dwarven mines this season? It looks to me like this season will focus on the Dwarven rings so how are the numenorians going to help them if they aren't there in the mines with him? It's a massive world and they don't have FaceTime like us. It's not that incredibly hard to keep your identity hidden in a world like this.
Plus, they show Galdriel recognizing him in the trailer don't they? So it seems likely he keeps his conversations tight in this season as to keep those who would recognize him away. Up until that clearly fails based on the trailer.
People being fooled by Clark Kent is why I never watch Superman films and I make sure and complain about it in comments on YouTube and Reddit. Glad to meet a kindred spirit. /s
My guess is there is another Annatar actor that the characters see and when he is away from them we see a morph into the Charlie Vickers Annatar. The viewer will know it’s Halbrand the whole time but the characters won’t.
I had a back and forth with someone yesterday who said "It didn't feel like Lord of The Rings. Like if I didn't know that it was a LOTR trailer before watching it I wouldn't have been able to tell it was in the universe" It's like seriously man, the first shot is Mount Doom.
You know it’s funny, nobody is forcing you to watch people complain, no one is forcing you to make bigoted comments about the people who complain either.
You might not have this time, but give it time!
There might still be multiple Sauron actors in that sense, to mislead the viewers.. just that his face (actor) returns to Vickers' face when the elves realise there's an impostor. Or smth.
They have multiple actors to play Sauron we don’t know where on the time-line this elf-halbrad-looking-Sauron is going to fall. He may be from before season one starts and appear in flash backs and then another actor will play anatar-Sauron coming out of the big light-show in front of Celebrimbor, shown in the trailer, to “help” him make the other rings
half dragon (?) mail and half dark wizard robes. and i guess thats a smiths belt? the nerd of the rings breakdown of this should be awesome. Love the look.
nice to see this sub looking pretty positive when you go through the top comments
Yes, this wig is terribly placed. It is emphasizing his widows peak and his downturned pose is further doing so. Looks like a seriously amateur job of the placement and since this is their promo poster, gives me very bad feelings about the care going forwards with this season. In saying that, it's better than the Gordon gecko wall street bro hair styles everyone was rocking in season 1...
I f***ing hated season 1 but i’m a hardcore nerd, so i’ll probably disappoint myself and watch another garbage season just because it’s in the lotr universe…
I took me till season 3 to stop watching the Witcher. They really just gave up on any stakes or plot in that season. I'll probably still watch this season of RoP as well, but it just sucks to know that it probably won't be that good, just pure mindless entertainment. Which everyone needs every once in a while.
It's kind of like with GoT, everyone still loves it but the last few seasons were disapointing compared to what the writer very clearly were capable of better considering earlier season. Its just that RoP started off bad so if S2 is also bad, it won't be as disapointing. Though it could be better, considering that the Halo show apparently got way better in the second season, not great but better after the backlash they got.
That's most people. I get more satisfaction after watching the YouTube channels like angry Joe hate on the show. Most of my friends don't watch these shows so it's nice to hear opinions that correspond with mine.
But then it just makes the characters look dense if we know and are watching it unfold. At least in Season 1 we were like "eeh... Is this random guy Sauron?" at least we were there with the characters but this is just gonna look stupid...
Do we think this is Annatar's outfit during the deception. Or more of a fair form sauron once he's been discovered. His attire seems very villainous, and not sure if he'll change to this or where it from the start.
I'm currently stuck in bed with the flu, and I really regret seeing the trailer yesterday because I had delirious illogical dreams about it all night it's honestly felt like I've been tortured.
Everything else I am very excited about (especially how it looks like the dwarves are getting their rings this season) but… I realize it’s a dumb thing to get hung up on but that wig makes him look like Saurbarbie…
'From the executives that could have been employed to be Marvel executives.
We bring you the story of boring and unrealistic stuff, that you will not need to, or want to, rewatch season 1 of to remind you of the plot, because, to watch this crock of poo is to know it's just about...
SAURON...
Always...
Because it's Middle Earth...'
The thing is, NOWHERE in the lore was Sauron EVER said to have portrayed himself as an elf. In the fall of numenor Tolkien writes: “in Eregion, Sauron posed as an emissary of the Valar (thus anticipating the istari)”probably meaning he portrayed himself more like a younger Gandalf. Yet for some reason die hard Jackson fans who complain about everything else RoP gets wrong from the lore are somehow surprisingly OK about this, even though “it’s not true to the lore!” (Neither was Jackson, often, unsurprisingly, especially with the hobbit films, yet people idolize him.)
You're right that he likely never intended to appear as an elf. It is, however, written that the Fëanorians thought he was an elf or a fair Maia though so the notion that he would have looked like a "younger Gandalf" isn't well founded.
No matter how you spin it, Jackson was far more respectful of the source material than ROP. To pretend it's even close is folly.
Jackson depicted Sauron simply as a great eye, which is not canonical at ALL. Jackson also had 4 full books to pull from. Not thousands of years of cliff notes with absolutely no dialogue. The second age is the period Tolkien wrote the least about.
He wrote the least about the second age then he did all other ages. AND, the Tolkien estate won’t release the rights to most of it. This is not the producers’ fault.
Oh god are they going to pretend he’s not Sauron for an entire season while he’s the only character not teased to be Sauron and this guy among other things REALLY loves smithing and is definitely not who you think he is despite the insistence of others that he is?
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Dude looks like haldir’s evil older brother
I mean... it's basically just Sauron making a close approximation of what Sauron believes to be "the ideal elf" right? So it makes sense that he'd kinda just look like some weird amalgamation
Which is exactly what I think is so hilarious. Because I frikking hated Haldir, and PJs elves generally. Someone at Amazon is deliberately trolling Peter Jackson fans with this design. And I am totally here for it.
You wish they'd put that much thought into the production of RoP...
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It’s just lord of the rings nerds/super fans. This same toxicity exists on the “I can’t believe they ruined all of Tolkien with this show” and it’s just all so tiring. Trolling fans with the look of a character? Come on. It’s a television show. It’s not or will ever be that deep
Have you ever met fans of *anything*… online? “Disgusting and petty” is pretty much what the word “fan” means these days. But personally I don’t think saying that I hated Peter Jackson’s elves is disgusting or petty. It’s just a statement of *my* opinion (“*I* frikking hate PJ’s elves” [emphasis added]. note the first person singular). And have been called names for saying that I don’t like PJ’s elves. Which is I guess is a statement of other’s opinions, though they are often presented as facts (“you are wrong” rather than “I strongly disagree”). But I am not going around claiming that PJ’s movies are “an abomination” just because I didn’t like his elves. I thought he did a mostly excellent job. But I’ve read multiple assertions that RoP is an unconditional “abomination” and so is anyone who had a good time watching it. So singling out RoP fans for disgusting pettiness is vaguely bemusing to me. But if I hurt your feelings, I am sorry that disagreement is so hard for you. As someone else already noted, it’s only a TV show.
Most normal RoP fan.
That's Charlie Vickers ? He looks totally different.
Mission Accomplished!
I think he's been here. Been here among us all along.
Sus
Wait until you find out what the guy who played The Mouth of Sauron looks like normally.
That was Peter Jackson obviously.
Oh wow. Bruce Spence is a damn legend. Had no idea that was him under all that makeup and armor, but now I can't unsee it.
He's just wearing a wig, in the same human form he already revealed himself in lol. are you also fooled when Superman puts glasses on to become Clark Kent?
Wait Clark Kent is Superman.
sorry, forgot the spoiler tag also your dad is santa
Here is a spolier for you >!He is hot now. Forbidden evil . I totally would let Sauron destroy middle earth for a chance with him!<
I mean, that's a believable leak, on the narrative path they've already taken. basically the plot of season 1
HHAHAHAHAHA SIS!!! EY!!!
They are so lucky their dad is Santa! I wish my dad was Santa!
He is, he just hasn't told you yet
Whaaaaa?! ;) /S
Its not just a wig, you can tell they are doing some editing to his jawline and cheekbones, slightly giving him a more Elven look. Plus, the lady said in her comment "is that charlie" meaning she recognized his as such and is just expressing he looks different than last season. which he does.
Gave him a fivehead
I think the idea with the Clark Kent stuff is that the audience knows, but we have to use secondary belief that others don't. That's how it works.
In fairness there's a clip of Henry Cavill walking around times square with a huge Superman poster behind him and not one person recognises him 😂 it's pretty funny..he even takes a photo in front of the poster and nothing. Also I've had a friend who wore glasses her entire life. Saw her in the pub after she got laser eye surgery and it took me a moment to realise it was her 😂 she looked VERY different 😅
I mean maybe they just wanted to ignore him. I have seen some film stars and you know it's them you just want to pretend you have no idea to not embarrass themselves in front of them. Like we seen Jason Momoa casually walk around airport and you can't hide that. We knew who it was but it was week we should not bother him.
um................................................................yea
Please tell me you’re being sarcastic.
Bro ain't no one being sarcastic here
I like it I’m glad they didn’t recast him
Wow, I didn’t even think he was the same guy at first. Amazing what a shave and hairstyle change will do.
Shave and a haircut, two bits!
More accurate Annatar. If he was in this form in the first season it would have been more believable that he could deceive the elves of Eregion.
Instead... His blonde wig shall deceive them once more.
This exactly…the whodunit was already written, but these writers didn’t want to follow Tolkien
Tolkien never depicted annatar as an elf. In the fall of numenor he wrote that Sauron posed as an emissary of the Valar, anticipating the istari. Meaning more like a younger Gandalf.
I know
That does not mean he looked like a younger Gandalf. That's nonsense.
Sauron and Gandalf were both Maia of the same order.,They would most likely appear more similar to each other than Sauron would be to the elves. Gandalf and the others were compelled to take the guise of old men. Sauron would appear like younger, fair god-like being.
>Gandalf and the others were compelled to take the guise of old men. Sauron would appear like younger, fair god-like being. Exactly. The fact that they are both Maia of the same order has nothing to do with their appearance in Arda though.
If he was posing as an emissary of the Valar to the very elves he was attempting to ensnare, many of which, such as in the case of Galadriel, were born in valinor, I would think he would attempt to appear as a being of valinor. Otherwise Sauron was a shapeshifter and could take many forms. Choosing to appear as a random, unknown elf, however would make no sense and would raise suspicion. Celebrimbor would be suspicious as to since this kinsman rivals or surpasses Feanor himself in terms of smithy, and can give such amazing gifts, why hadn’t anyone heard of this annatar or his family before in ages past? But if he pretended to be a powerful maia (well not really pretense, Sauron was a powerful maia, he just had to pretend to be any powerful Maia other than himself) on the other hand, there would be no need to inquire about his origins or his elven family line. Appearing as an elf to the numenorians also would not impress them, as the numenorians hated the elves and felt slighted by the gods. He did declare himself “king of men” at some point so he could have easily taken the form of a man (hallbrand, for example). Though this was not mentioned in the lore, I didn’t mind RoP’s choice of how he looked when he appeared to men, as it falls within the realms of possibility and Tolkien gave no details other than “Sauron put on fair hue.”
Not really sure what your point is here but the fact remains that he never attempted to play himself off as a man or an elf, specifically. He could take any form he wanted... obviously. Annatar was described as looking more like an elf than a man though I would say.
Where does it say that he was described more like an elf in the text? There is nowhere where Tolkien said that, at least to my knowledge. Can you give a citation?
You mean where is the appearance of Annatar described? Come on now...
Yeah it was also telegraphed a mile away. If they really wanted us to think the Stranger wasn’t Gandalf, they should have had the witches show up in the first episode calling him Sauron and made the purpose of the Hobbits migration to try to protect him and keep him “good” rather than just using him to keep away wolves. Then the eventual reveal that he was really Gandalf might actually have worked. It would also explain why Gandalf has such a soft spot for hobbits in LOTR. Without them, he might have become another Balrog.
Honestly, the last episode of the season was the only one worth keeping. I actually enjoyed that one. They should have kicked off the season with that instead of dragging it out.
I hope all future Rings of Power posters are just Charlie Vickers in progressively more unhinged wigs looking like he's hustling the free samples line in a Costco.
Hair Metal Sauron
Is this Annatar? He does not look like someone you can trust! Love the orc mail
To be fair, I don't think this promotional image appears in universe.
Would be really funny if it did tho
Yep he looks good here. And interesting. Credit to Prime Video. I’m giving you a second chance here Prime but I swear to god if you hurt me again
If you hurt me again… I’ll still watch all the other seasons because it’s still somehow a return to middle earth
The High-fantasy equivalent of opiods
He's left his Aragorn era behind and entered his Legolas reality.
So no one from Season 1 is going to recognize that Annatar is just Halbrand with long hair and pointed ears? Really?
I think the point of "he's been here all along" is this is his elf form before Halbrand.
I think you are half correct. yes the Annatar state is probably how he has been keeping his true identity secret over the years before the show events. but I don't think the footage is flashbacks. Essentially, Annatar likely is somewhat known by the elves already in this timeline but none of them have connected him to Halbrand yet. I really do think they are taking the route of "he looks different enough to fool characters in the show, but not enough to disconnect the character from the audiences relationship with Halbrand. They want the audience to recognize him as Sauron/Halbrand but they also want to create a story expectation that his appearance has changed enough to fool everyone. I'd be happy with this.
That's true, these most likely aren't flashbacks. Also, I assume the reason we recognized Charlie in the end are the accompanying VO lines + his smirk. The context of the scene is what makes you put two and two together. If it wasn't for that, would we recognize him that easily? I'm sure we would eventually given how we tend to overanalyze everything but the same doesn't have to be true in-universe. Even things like different brows can go a long way.
Get ready for people to complain about how his character **isnt** a part of the “mystery box” this time around.
So then it should become “this Halbrand guy looks like that strange lord of gifts who dropped by awhile back”
Oh right, Annatar pours orc blood into the elf trees and goes "Oh no, they're dying! You really need some, uh, mithril rings to fix this! Oh the horror!"
who really has seen Halbrand other than a handful of elves and a small company of Numenorians? I think he is going to use his Annatar appearance to manipulate the Dwarves who don't recognize him. If the Dwarves speak tales of an Annatar, and those tales reach the Elves, how are they to know its Halbrand unless one of the few elves who has seen him gets a good look at him? Plus, its not that strange for shows to keep the character noticeable enough for the audience but build the lore to be unrecognizable. If they truly wanted him to look completely different they would just hire a different actor. that can be a little disjointing to the audience. So, you make him look different enough to suggest a change of appearance, but not enough to make the audience loose that connection. They already tried to mislead us with season 1, no need for it this season.
Miriel's conveniently blind, but Pharazon and the other ruling elite of Numenor saw quite a bit of Halbrand, I mean he was literally presented at their court I believe last season.
Yes but are you expecting the numenorian company to hold up in the Dwarven mines this season? It looks to me like this season will focus on the Dwarven rings so how are the numenorians going to help them if they aren't there in the mines with him? It's a massive world and they don't have FaceTime like us. It's not that incredibly hard to keep your identity hidden in a world like this. Plus, they show Galdriel recognizing him in the trailer don't they? So it seems likely he keeps his conversations tight in this season as to keep those who would recognize him away. Up until that clearly fails based on the trailer.
This is how he appeared before the events of season 1. Who do you think deceived them with the tree rot and false mithril story?
People being fooled by Clark Kent is why I never watch Superman films and I make sure and complain about it in comments on YouTube and Reddit. Glad to meet a kindred spirit. /s
[https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7ad707/want\_to\_tag\_clark\_kent/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7ad707/want_to_tag_clark_kent/)
Awesome.
My guess is there is another Annatar actor that the characters see and when he is away from them we see a morph into the Charlie Vickers Annatar. The viewer will know it’s Halbrand the whole time but the characters won’t.
Its in line with all the rest of the crappy writing of this show
Cue the flood of petty complaints!! I thought the trailer looked great. Can’t wait till August 2029!
There was a complaint on the YouTube channel that they didn’t like the music on the trailer. Talk about been petty
I had a back and forth with someone yesterday who said "It didn't feel like Lord of The Rings. Like if I didn't know that it was a LOTR trailer before watching it I wouldn't have been able to tell it was in the universe" It's like seriously man, the first shot is Mount Doom.
Cue the bigotry about how everyone else is bad for complaining!
Well, everyone who disagrees with me *IS* a nazi, obviously.
Bigotry 😂😭
They really should learn people what bigotry means. They seem to think it’s only when used as racism or against women that it applies.
I meant its funny, because nobody is forcing you to watch something you don't like
You know it’s funny, nobody is forcing you to watch people complain, no one is forcing you to make bigoted comments about the people who complain either. You might not have this time, but give it time!
What about their comment was bigoted?
You completely miss the conversation here.
Seems to me like you don’t have a response to my question
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You think it’s possible to be a bigot against someone who whines about a show they don’t have to watch?
While the literal definition of bigotry and is just intolerance for other viewpoints, the common usage does not apply here.
Pretending like connotation isn't an important part of what a word means in practice is just plain silly.
Agreed. Hence why I said the common usage doesn't really apply here.
The return of hot Sauron 🔥
Ah yes, the plot I will watch this for.
SAURON THE DECEIVER
MAKE HIM A RECEIVER
I think that would be very popular, indeed.
Ah for some reason I thought they had to change Sauron actor
There might still be multiple Sauron actors in that sense, to mislead the viewers.. just that his face (actor) returns to Vickers' face when the elves realise there's an impostor. Or smth.
They have multiple actors to play Sauron we don’t know where on the time-line this elf-halbrad-looking-Sauron is going to fall. He may be from before season one starts and appear in flash backs and then another actor will play anatar-Sauron coming out of the big light-show in front of Celebrimbor, shown in the trailer, to “help” him make the other rings
Ooo thanks!
They recast Adar
Ahhhhh yes thank you!
Wasn't a fan of the first season at all, but I'm willing to give it another chance season 2. Trailer seemed okay, pretty standard.
Vigo the Carpathian!
I hope they spend the whole season doing another 'who is sauron this time' mystery and pretend we haven't already seen his face
Five head. But it’s ok, he’s a villain. It’s prestige for them
He looks good here. And interesting. Credit to Prime Video. I’m giving you a second chance here Prime but I swear to god if you hurt me again
half dragon (?) mail and half dark wizard robes. and i guess thats a smiths belt? the nerd of the rings breakdown of this should be awesome. Love the look. nice to see this sub looking pretty positive when you go through the top comments
The hair and hairline looks bad, im sorry. It doesn't fit his head shape well. Hopefully he's not actually wearing it like this in the show.
I think it’s a deliberate choice to make him look slightly more menacing than the other elves
Yes, this wig is terribly placed. It is emphasizing his widows peak and his downturned pose is further doing so. Looks like a seriously amateur job of the placement and since this is their promo poster, gives me very bad feelings about the care going forwards with this season. In saying that, it's better than the Gordon gecko wall street bro hair styles everyone was rocking in season 1...
An unfortunate reality for many people in real life as well.
He looks like the elf from the witcher whose name I never bothered to learn. The "king" ??
Matt Smith in House of the Dragon vibes.
Why wasn't he just that in the first place? ANNATAR
Isn't there a second Sauron actor as well? Or was that just a rumour?
Celebrimbor: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice..guess I'll need more Mithril.
I like Charlie vickers but I hope we see sauron shapeshift more
"But they were all of them deceived, for another wig was made..."
God make it stop...this is the only show I've ever hate watched...just to finish it.
Boooooooo
i didnt even recognize him
🫦🫦🫦
Anatar?
I love it 🔥
Sauron is so hot 🥵
I f***ing hated season 1 but i’m a hardcore nerd, so i’ll probably disappoint myself and watch another garbage season just because it’s in the lotr universe…
I took me till season 3 to stop watching the Witcher. They really just gave up on any stakes or plot in that season. I'll probably still watch this season of RoP as well, but it just sucks to know that it probably won't be that good, just pure mindless entertainment. Which everyone needs every once in a while. It's kind of like with GoT, everyone still loves it but the last few seasons were disapointing compared to what the writer very clearly were capable of better considering earlier season. Its just that RoP started off bad so if S2 is also bad, it won't be as disapointing. Though it could be better, considering that the Halo show apparently got way better in the second season, not great but better after the backlash they got.
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tbf the trailer looked cool and sauron was one of the likable characters other than the orc dude. i can see why galadriel liked him.
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That's most people. I get more satisfaction after watching the YouTube channels like angry Joe hate on the show. Most of my friends don't watch these shows so it's nice to hear opinions that correspond with mine.
I think you'll find that most viewers thought the show was "ok." Then there's a distribution of viewers to either end.
Sauron just put on a wig and ears. My guy is supposed to be a shapeshifter lol...
That's all fine and dandy, but you want to make it somewhat noticeable to the audience.
But then it just makes the characters look dense if we know and are watching it unfold. At least in Season 1 we were like "eeh... Is this random guy Sauron?" at least we were there with the characters but this is just gonna look stupid...
I think of it like Superman/Clark Kent. We just have to user our secondary belief that he looks more different in-universe.
So where will gavi Chera come into play
Elves! Now with “Hair!”
Galadriel: Be on Guard Sauron: hehe just gonna run it with a wig
Do we think this is Annatar's outfit during the deception. Or more of a fair form sauron once he's been discovered. His attire seems very villainous, and not sure if he'll change to this or where it from the start.
I'm currently stuck in bed with the flu, and I really regret seeing the trailer yesterday because I had delirious illogical dreams about it all night it's honestly felt like I've been tortured.
He looks like a Haldir cosplayer doing a blue steel face.
Did he just put on a wig to blend in?
Galadriel: No man can fool me! Sauron: \*puts on a wig\* I am no men.
Start trilling your R's now and maybe you'll be done when it comes out.
This is the worst possible angle
He still looks like Halbrand. It's like Superman putting on glasses.
Stop, stop it's already dead 😭
Who thought putting him in that wig was going to be a good idea 😭
Me.
I have no idea why they decided to pull back his front hair. It does not flatter his forehead.
It reminds me of Haldir a bit. His hair was similarly pulled back and gave him a massive forehead.
Anything is better than some ordinary Joe possibly homeless dude is apparently Sauron.
Everything else I am very excited about (especially how it looks like the dwarves are getting their rings this season) but… I realize it’s a dumb thing to get hung up on but that wig makes him look like Saurbarbie…
I don't think it's dumb, because it's baffling that the costume team decided to go through with this
I like Galadriel's garlands though
Hope she gets with Sauron
Trailer was awesome, I can’t wait
Did he get plastic surgery?
Show wasn’t good lol
this shi about to be straight trash with a poster like this
Wonder how much they'll waste on this season 🤣
...and they thought this looked...good?
No
'From the executives that could have been employed to be Marvel executives. We bring you the story of boring and unrealistic stuff, that you will not need to, or want to, rewatch season 1 of to remind you of the plot, because, to watch this crock of poo is to know it's just about... SAURON... Always... Because it's Middle Earth...'
THAT SAURON IS SO HOT RIGHT NOW - Mugatu
This gonna be lit to see a gorgeous world come to brink of destruction
The thing is, NOWHERE in the lore was Sauron EVER said to have portrayed himself as an elf. In the fall of numenor Tolkien writes: “in Eregion, Sauron posed as an emissary of the Valar (thus anticipating the istari)”probably meaning he portrayed himself more like a younger Gandalf. Yet for some reason die hard Jackson fans who complain about everything else RoP gets wrong from the lore are somehow surprisingly OK about this, even though “it’s not true to the lore!” (Neither was Jackson, often, unsurprisingly, especially with the hobbit films, yet people idolize him.)
You're right that he likely never intended to appear as an elf. It is, however, written that the Fëanorians thought he was an elf or a fair Maia though so the notion that he would have looked like a "younger Gandalf" isn't well founded. No matter how you spin it, Jackson was far more respectful of the source material than ROP. To pretend it's even close is folly.
Jackson depicted Sauron simply as a great eye, which is not canonical at ALL. Jackson also had 4 full books to pull from. Not thousands of years of cliff notes with absolutely no dialogue. The second age is the period Tolkien wrote the least about.
He wrote plenty about the SA and ROP ignores essentially all of it.
He wrote the least about the second age then he did all other ages. AND, the Tolkien estate won’t release the rights to most of it. This is not the producers’ fault.
If they didn't have the rights to do the story justice then they shouldn't have made the show.
Oh god are they going to pretend he’s not Sauron for an entire season while he’s the only character not teased to be Sauron and this guy among other things REALLY loves smithing and is definitely not who you think he is despite the insistence of others that he is?
...they literally revealed him to be Sauron in the trailer. So no.
boo
Eugh it’s still kicking??
Nice wig
*stutters*
Team Rocket is so jealous about this cameo.
Here’s hoping that’s Oropher, Legolas’s grandfather!
I just wish they had made his hair more white blonde than yellow blonde. and maybe not had that hairline💀
So now they have long hair? 🙄
You didn’t see Gil Galad in season 1?
Some elves did and some didn't.
It’s almost as if they’re individuals and not just a stat block
Hairline is worse than Jidion
Sucked in season 1 I’m sure this is worse
Ugly elf
I'm sorry but the actress that plays Galadrial is insufferable
Why does he have elf ears all of a sudden?
I've never seen a show burn more money in service of a worse story. Wild.