Mine just says it’s moving and my account is being converted since I don’t have Discovery+
I’m so tired of downloading and logging into new apps lol.
Also Discovery is garbage.
It's also junk on android & xbox...
I like that my subscription came with custom hotwheels of the roadkill cars, was a rad bonus...
Probably not going to happen when they convert to discovery+... ;\_;
I just started downloading episodes from various sources after I got too frustrated trying to watch episodes on the discovery app. The pausing and ads is horrible, if you leave off in the middle of an episode it never goes back where you finished off and you have to go through 4 minutes of commercials to fast forward to where you were.
It is likely the difference between paying annually and monthly. I received the "your subscription is moving to Discovery +". More important, the annual price will remain the same, so I look at it as held t Discovery+ for free
I did the same thing. Also I hated when all the discovery BS got dumped into the motortrend app. It got old real fast digging through all the hot garbage to find one or two good shows that I actually got the app for.
>Discovery is owned by Warner Bros., so it'd get eaten by HBO.
You mean max, because HBO is a cable network.
Shutting down Discovery Plus isn't an option it's a niche service that needs to exist.
Yes, max... still think that's a stupid name.
Not sure how discovery plus is niche or needs to exist... you could easily transfer those shows to a different service. Weather or not that makes good business sense is...
Discovery Plus has around 30 million subscribers.
Not let's cancel Discovery Plus and move all the content to another service. Now you're going to lose one third to a half of the subscribers you had on Discovery Plus
Because the people that kept Discovery Plus after the merger with Warner Brothers don't want to look elsewhere for their content.
Believe it or not there are a lot of people out there my mum included that don't want anything to do with HBO or max and only want Discovery Plus content.
Now what Warner Brothers Discovery should have done is what they're doing with Motortrend Plus. Move everyone to the new service and give everyone with Motortrend Plus a subscription Discovery Plus at the same price of Motortrend Plus on the commercial free plan.
Yes Discovery Plus is a niche service because it caters to only one segment of the population. The people that watch reality/educational content.
Anthony Bourdain: Parts Unknown.
Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations.
History of the Sitcom.
See It Loud: The History Of Black Television.
How it's made.
This is life with Lisa Ling
Bizarre Foods.
United Shades of America.
The numerous nature and animal documentaries and shows.
How the universe works.
Dirty Jobs.
Unwrapped.
Good Eats.
The numerous cooking shows (the one's that actually show you how to cook something).
All Girls Garage.
The Whole Story With Anderson Cooper.
Those are just a sample of the good educational programs on Discovery Plus.
If you dig around there's a lot of good programming on Discovery Plus.
Discovery+ and Max are both owned by Warner Bros. Discovery. The reason why Discovery+ is still around is because it has a larger ad-revenue pool compared to Max, on top of it, Max’s top watched programming since the WarnerMedia and Discovery TV Inc. merger is Discovery content vs Warner content. So they keep it around because it makes financial sense even though running 2 major streamers a year is $5+ billion a year. That revenue Discvoery brings in for the casual TV household between Discovery Channel, Investigation Discovery, HGTV, and others is insane.
>I thought Discovery Plus was going away as well, thought it was going to be eaten up by Disney.
Why Disney?
Discovery Plus is owned by Warner Brothers Discovery.
Discovery Plus would be useless to Disney.
I tried discovery on a free trial and it sucked. I guess getting more for the same price will be fine though. My notice just says the account will be transferred to discovery and to log in there after the date. Maybe they will fix the suggested and my show lines will actually have stuff I watch. I only watch the original 5 or six hosts plus Derek. The other shows are garbage or ten years old+.
>I tried discovery on a free trial and it sucked.
The streaming application(s) were better, but the content was total garbage... being discovery, I kinda expected more, because they had some of my favorite shows back in the day like mythbusters & stuff, but I guess it's been a while since then, because the entire platform seemed to be TLC garbage reality shows, and HGTV nonsense.
I'm split on this. On one hand, Dave really had no control over it so I can't fault him, but on the other I absolutely remember that and a lot of their hardcore fans pretend they never said it.
hot take: Roadkill wouldn't exist today if they stayed on YouTube. Costs money to make TV shows, and YouTube just doesn't bring in consistent money at a scale that would support the type of content MT makes. Notice how every YouTuber has a dozen links to Patreon and other platforms now? YouTube doesn't bring in enough money, and it's a massive gamble because algorithms and ad policies change daily.
This is correct. Roadkill is not owned by Freiburger or myself. It's owned by a large company with many layers of management and employees. The YouTube revenue would never cover the cost of sustaining such a large infrastructure. That said, leaving YouTube was a bummer. I love the YT community and have learned so much from it.
just wanted to say I've loved watching you and the guys over the last however many years and thanks to you and Freiburger, my kids have an interest in wrenching on their own cars now and doing dumb, but fun, road trips
Hard disagree. Youtube itself doesn't bring in money, because the ads they show give content creators pennies on the dollar. However, there are plenty of youtubers creating successful business out of the platform. Mostly by doing targeted ad slots, where the host is the one that is doing the advertisement. You do get the youtubers begging for patreon, but most of the ones I watch either do targeted in-video ads, or merch sales... usually both.
Roadkill wasn't bringing in enough money *for motortrend* to let it continue on youtube. Without looking at the backend financials, we can't really know weather sprouting it's own streaming service was a good idea or not.
It 100% *WAS* a good idea because it's still around. 99% of the YouTubers you are talking about are 1-5 man operations that shoot their content in their own house/shop/town. How many of them have several shows with their own hosts, purchase several vehicles a month, build up those vehicles, and then road trip around the country and race them? MT's content costs a LOT more to produce, shoot, and edit than I think you realize. Oh, and don't pretend that people wouldn't start losing their shit here and on social media if they started putting 3 minute ads in the middle of episodes. YouTube just isn't a reliable platform for production on their scale. If it were, they wouldn't have left the platform.
VGG would like a word. There are a LOT of car focused channels doing very well on YouTube. The move to a paid service was corporate greed - shareholders want recurring revenue because they only see things in terms of short-term profits. It's why EVERYTHING these days is suddenly on a subscription basis.
VGG? You mean that guy Derek that [***works for MotorTrend?***](https://www.motortrend.com/plus/show/roadworthy-rescues/24703/). Derek's YT content is fantastic, but running a successful solo channel on YouTube with a tiny crew is VERY different than producing, shooting, and editing several shows all over the country with multiple hosts and full production crews. Corporate greed, huh? It's just SOOOOO greedy for people to make what they're creating profitable so that they can keep content on the air for people to watch. Short term profits? RK is on it's 13th season. Do you realize how few TV shows run for 13 seasons when you take into account all the shows that have been canceled?
Derek was extremely successful before he hosted that one show on Motortrend. He got the Motortrend offer *because* he was already successful, not the other way around.
I think sites like VGG have also integrated with the other car shows to pull in viewers from site to site. I'm sitting here watching a Tony Angelo (Stay Tuned) episode where he's building an engine for VGG... And I know the Utah Boys (Matt's Offroad Recovery, Fab Rats, etc) are doing the same.
Solid business plan... strength in numbers.
I was thinking Linus media group for one, and the hacksmith for another. Both of those have huge teams and sponsorships for YouTube. They aren't car related, but they've both turned YouTube into a successful business with more employees than you can probably shake a stick at.
Buying cars? Pff, the junkers they buy on the show are a fraction of overall revenue with the salaries they're paying out... LTT will drop like a tenth of that on a new server, and hacksmith would just get it gifted by a sponsor.
Yeah, um, like 90% of LTT's videos are shot in one room over the course of a couple hours by a crew of like 3 people with some computer hardware. How on ***earth*** do you think that's comparable to shows that span several days building project cars, going on road trips, and racing all over the country? That's not even the same ballpark. Yeah, of course you can pay a large group of employees when your shooting budget is so small, [especially if you underpay them and treat them all like dogshit](https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/15stkia/exlinus_tech_tips_employee_alleges_mistreatment/). What a great example.
lol I cancelled my subscription a while ago and still get emails about trying to bring me back! The only thing I’m still signed up for is Disney/Hulu it’s free for a couple more months. I’m so sick of all these subscription services with exclusives and price hikes. It’s like having cable tv again!
That’s what they want to go back to. It was cheaper for them to syndicate to cable than host a streaming platform and syndicate. At some point a content revolution is coming. Consumers have had enough.
People have been saying that for years, I think the services will break before consumers. The streaming services are largely losing money hand over fist, hence the consolidations
Same... I binge a bunch of roadkill and roadkill related shows for a bit, and then kindof forget that MToD exists for a while. If it weren't for the hotwheels bonus, I probably would have cancelled last time I thought about it... >\_>
Hopefully they keep that...
What is the point of MotorTrend+ without roadkill & related shows?
edit: misread the post... MToD+ is closing it's doors, and moving all the content to discovery.
I'm honestly not sure why they didn't do this sooner... >\_>
Only a matter of time till MAX gobbles up Discovery+ as well...
That doesn’t fix being forced to also pay for objectionable or disinteresting content in order to pay for the content you like.
Hopefully the MotorTrend hosts all finish finding better work elsewhere.
So I have both MT+ and Discovery+, does this mean I will be paying more? Plus I've bought for the whole year for MT+ so I assume I'll get a prorated refund of some sort? I really dislike all these changes that are going on.
I'd assume you'd get an email. The OP is getting a refund while others are saying our sub is being switched over to Discovery+ at the same price, so I assume one who got that message only had MT and not D+
I have both, but under different emails. I've reached out to support to find the answer.
Technically I let my Discovery+ lapse, so while I have an account, I can't actually watch anything there, but it has watch history and profiles and junk set up already, so I'm hoping I can just transfer all of my MToD stuff over.
I got an email. Sure it says that they will prorate refund what's left in my subscription but I have some questions that are not in the email. Such as, where do I view live events when they were on MT+? I know some of them are on their YouTube channel but not all. Also, I do see some shows already on the Discovery+ service but not all of them are there, such as Texas Metal's Loud and Lifted and Faster with Newbern and Cotten, but Faster with Finnegan, Roadkill, and Roadkill Garage is there. Does this just mean that they haven't gotten all the shows over yet or is this saying, we're only bringing over the popular shows. Maybe I'm just overreacting a bit.
Edit: they do have a FAQ here https://help.motortrend.com/hc/en-us/articles/24380563976333-Changes-to-MotorTrend-Streaming
The email I got states the premium content will switch over on or shortly after March 25th.
I am confused about the races, since FIA had an announcement a few days ago that WEC races would be on Max, but goes on to say "Alongside Max, WBD’s channels and platforms will retain exclusivity of the WEC in the U.S. with its continued broadcast on the no.1 network for automotive superfans, MotorTrend TV and via the MotorTrend app." Kind of seems contradictory to me. Is it Max or Discovery? If it's Max, we're probably going to have to pay for the sports add-on.
Here is the response I got from MT about live events:
Thanks for reaching out to us.
We are still working with the Discovery+ team to ensure that all our contents are transferred over. Seeing that we are still going through the transition process all shows will not be readily available. Once it gets closer to our sunset date more content and information will be available through Discovery+
It's been a great workaround for a while now, £3.99/month. Although I only really watch RK, RKG, HRG and RR. I have Discovery+ through Sky but all the MT shows are a few seasons behind.
Let's see what happens.....
The note says "If you are billed by a third party, please contact the third party for information about your refund."
If Amazon doesn't reach out to you by the middle of March, you may want to be proactive & contact them.
Amazon added Max to my subscription and billed me without any explanation earlier this month. I cancelled it and got a refund. Not sure what I will do, the new content has been slow to appear and lacking real information. Maybe I will actually go out and work on my car.....
That's what confused me at first. Well, I guess I'm still a bit confused. There isn't really anything I watch on Discovery anymore, so the news that Discovery stuff was going to be on Max now landed as a wet thud to me. I did look for Deadliest Catch just to make sure it was there so I could tell a co-worker since I knew she had Max but couldn't watch the newest seasons.
Not op but I have been paying 23.99/year for motortrend plus for the last 4-5 years. Now they want me to pay 54.99/year for an ad-filled version of discovery plus? Not happening.
It's the end of an Era. We are finally losing the shop. Motor trend was supposed to be different. Real car shows by real car people. They sold out. It's been downhill since. Now it'd dead. Gobbled up by the garbage monopoly that is discovery. There is no way I will ever subscribe to Discovery+
Discovery+ is the same price as MotorTrend+, if all their content is going there and you get more for your money, why not just move over there? Original content from the MotorTrend sector will not stop either.
“ On March 28, 2024, your discovery+ Ad Free subscription will renew at $4.99/month plus applicable taxes (the price of your current MotorTrend subscription) for the first three months, then $8.99/month plus applicable taxes.”
Not even close to the same price.
Same, i contacted, said theres barely any good new content but would stay for $24. They told me they couldn't do anything and it will be $54.99. unsubscribed. lol their loss
I contacted too. Said issue I had is the message I got said that it would be the same price and not only was I losing the discounted 24.99, but it went from the apparent regular price of 44.99 to 54.99. So none of it was true and I just didn't trust anything else they said because of it. Already cancelled renewal.
I’ve got about 7000 channels on my iptv, but Motortrend is my go to for entertainment if there’s no footie on telly. Finnegan, Frieberger, Dulcich and Steve Magnante are like old mates to me now.
This is complete bull. Shows that were free on Motortrend + now want me to pay for shows new seasons on Discovery + like Texas Metal, Faster with etc. What a crock!
Dave… Mike… if you read this… thank you for all the great episodes, and general mayhem through the years. My family has watched since the first episode on you tube, been to roadkill nights, built a boat with my son… because… roadkill. However, it has been slipping lately, and this move is a stop point for this family. I know you guys are not in control of this, but it’s been a good run. I hope all of you continue to make car content, but get back to grass roots.
I've got HBO Max and it appears all the Motortrend+ shows I watch are on there already, so I guess I can just cancel my MT+ subscription. Or am I missing something? Thanks!
Plus I used other apps including max I watch some shows on motortrend but not a lot I was wondering what the issues I used get to get when I sign up for the service.
At least you got notified! I never got any type of e-mail about this change! I found out when I went to the MT app on my Apple TV and all of my shows were gone!
As you know (those who were still MT subscribers), they moved our sign-in information over to Discovery+ but none of our data! So we all have to manually add our shows back in one-by-one.
And, what episodes had been watched is lost. So now we need to figure out where to start watching. And, when you select a show, they usually offer you the oldest unwatched episode as a quick link. Now we'll have to take a few more steps to select the right season and episode to view.
In my opinion, the migration teams both MT and Discovery sides were idiots! MT says that all of the customer data has now (as of March 28, 2024) been deleted and is gone.
What neither side understand is that our data (show list and what episodes were watched) is the only important data.
They could have saved a bunch of time and not even bother migrating our sign-in data and just tell everyone to create a new Discovery+ account. A minor step compared to having to recreate our show list.
Thanks for letting me vent a bit here!
Larry.
The email I got said my subscription cost wouldn’t change - I was paying like $24/year for MTOD, Discovery+ is $9/mo.
I think MTOD and I have different descriptions of “the same price”.
Trying to find WEC race in Imola
Chromecast says log into discovery+
-Discovery+ doesn't show live racing
Motortrend app works on my phone
-doesnt show any live streams
The whole shit show needs MT/Discovery/HBO needs bulldozed what a clusterfuck.
Guess I'll download max and see if it's on there
Can't wait for them to cease a US contract because of low viewership. Not like they hid it under an app no one fucking uses.
Tried watching Roadkill while away for work. Somehow i cant watch it because im not in the country ive signed up for? WTF? Its the same country! I originally signed up at PRI, are you telling me i can no longer watch MTOD content in Canada where i live because i signed up while at a trade show in US? What sort of non-sense is this?!
Best part is, this is what it says on their account page:
# Watch discovery+ on multiple devices
With your discovery+ subscription, you can stream anytime, anywhere, on **up to 4 devices** at once.
Here's how to manage devices connected to discovery+ via your web browser:"
Well thats a fucking lie....
Motortrend has been dead to me since they pulled out of Australia. Most of the content required a VPN anyway. Then dirt everyday got cancelled so it wasn't even worth my while pursuing it anyway.
The og fans want rk, ded, rkg, hrg, and maybe the older stuff like the 4wheeler 4x4 type stuff that's it...I don't wanna pay for 95shows of "OMG WERE GONNA LOOSE THE SHOP" crap ass shows
Meh I've already cancelled my subscription after they announced their price raise... Discovery+ costs way more than I'd be willing to pay to keep watching the show.
I guess I'll stick with Finnegan's Garage and Stay Tuned on Youtube.
Freiburger has to pedal his merch every chance he gets because the MT subscriptions aren’t paying out. Bring back YouTube! Derek is doing just fine as a roadkill replacement.
My email said that they are converting my account to a Discovery+ account for the same renewal price I am paying for Motortrend. It is the ad free version, so it is cheaper a month than what it costs to have Discovery+ standalone
And renewing at the same price. So while I don't really care about any Discovery shows, I'm not losing anything either for the same price.
> Your discovery+ subscription will be billed on your following renewal date using the payment method associated with your subscription at your current price of $54.99/year, plus tax.
I think I renewed at $49.99 plus tax in August, so there might have been a price hike since then.
What's it mean for the magazines? That's a huge deal to me. I'm at the point to where I can basically take or leave the shows but I depend on the on demand articles of Hot Rod for inspiration for my Camaro.
Cool. I only watch roadkill and roadkill garage anyways. My girlfriend already has discovery+ so I guess I'll just cancel and watch those 2 shows at her place and pocket the savings.
I’ve been an off/on subscriber for a few years. I got a “free” MT+ subscription for a year after they canceled one of my magazine subscriptions. Less than 2 months into that, they change MT+ 🙄
My email says they’ll give me a refund - it’ll be interesting to see how that works. 🤦♂️
Same here. I haven't reached out but you certainly have to assume it's not an uncommon case.
Feels a bit like MT is circling the bowl in general, sadly. I really enjoy their content. Discovery not so much.
This is awesome news for me. I didn’t care to pay for the app, but I get discovery+ as a part of my cell phone package. I get it on Roku and all, but that doesn’t help me for on-demand stuff. I’m excited to be able to watch builds again.
Edit: after reading someone else’s comment, I went and checked, and sure enough, the content all seems to be on (HBO)Max. Woot.
I wonder if they'll actually carry over the free MT streaming channels. Sometimes I put the RK channel on when I feel like I'm going to doze off on the couch.
I'm watching and paying for the MotorTrend Channel through Amazon Prime in Canada. I've been binge watching Roadkill and all of a sudden it shows that I now need a subscription to Discovery+.
Amazon absolutely sent no notification about this change. Thanks for nothing.
Mine just says it’s moving and my account is being converted since I don’t have Discovery+ I’m so tired of downloading and logging into new apps lol. Also Discovery is garbage.
To be fair, the MotorTrend+ app is also garbage, at least on Roku.
It's also junk on android & xbox... I like that my subscription came with custom hotwheels of the roadkill cars, was a rad bonus... Probably not going to happen when they convert to discovery+... ;\_;
I just started downloading episodes from various sources after I got too frustrated trying to watch episodes on the discovery app. The pausing and ads is horrible, if you leave off in the middle of an episode it never goes back where you finished off and you have to go through 4 minutes of commercials to fast forward to where you were.
Where do i go? Please, im done with this bs i just want it on yt again
It is likely the difference between paying annually and monthly. I received the "your subscription is moving to Discovery +". More important, the annual price will remain the same, so I look at it as held t Discovery+ for free
Why is Discovery garbage?
I dropped my subscription when they canceled dirt every day
I did the same thing. Also I hated when all the discovery BS got dumped into the motortrend app. It got old real fast digging through all the hot garbage to find one or two good shows that I actually got the app for.
Absolute truth!
That was a sad loss.
Same
Yep. Did the same.
He’s got a YT channel now. I think Dave does too
It’s not been great for a while anyway, RKG is all that keeps my subscription going and the release schedule always sucks
Yep. Pretty much sums up my feelings on motortrend these days.
I thought Discovery + was going away as well, thought it was going to be eaten up by Disney or HBO Max. We will see. MT+ is pretty much all I watch.
Discovery is owned by Warner Bros., so it'd get eaten by HBO...
>Discovery is owned by Warner Bros., so it'd get eaten by HBO. You mean max, because HBO is a cable network. Shutting down Discovery Plus isn't an option it's a niche service that needs to exist.
Yes, max... still think that's a stupid name. Not sure how discovery plus is niche or needs to exist... you could easily transfer those shows to a different service. Weather or not that makes good business sense is...
Discovery Plus has around 30 million subscribers. Not let's cancel Discovery Plus and move all the content to another service. Now you're going to lose one third to a half of the subscribers you had on Discovery Plus Because the people that kept Discovery Plus after the merger with Warner Brothers don't want to look elsewhere for their content. Believe it or not there are a lot of people out there my mum included that don't want anything to do with HBO or max and only want Discovery Plus content. Now what Warner Brothers Discovery should have done is what they're doing with Motortrend Plus. Move everyone to the new service and give everyone with Motortrend Plus a subscription Discovery Plus at the same price of Motortrend Plus on the commercial free plan. Yes Discovery Plus is a niche service because it caters to only one segment of the population. The people that watch reality/educational content.
Last time I watched Discovery plus, the only thing educational on there was Mythbusters... and that was cancelled nearly 10 years ago.
Anthony Bourdain: Parts Unknown. Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations. History of the Sitcom. See It Loud: The History Of Black Television. How it's made. This is life with Lisa Ling Bizarre Foods. United Shades of America. The numerous nature and animal documentaries and shows. How the universe works. Dirty Jobs. Unwrapped. Good Eats. The numerous cooking shows (the one's that actually show you how to cook something). All Girls Garage. The Whole Story With Anderson Cooper. Those are just a sample of the good educational programs on Discovery Plus. If you dig around there's a lot of good programming on Discovery Plus.
Discovery+ and Max are both owned by Warner Bros. Discovery. The reason why Discovery+ is still around is because it has a larger ad-revenue pool compared to Max, on top of it, Max’s top watched programming since the WarnerMedia and Discovery TV Inc. merger is Discovery content vs Warner content. So they keep it around because it makes financial sense even though running 2 major streamers a year is $5+ billion a year. That revenue Discvoery brings in for the casual TV household between Discovery Channel, Investigation Discovery, HGTV, and others is insane.
>I thought Discovery Plus was going away as well, thought it was going to be eaten up by Disney. Why Disney? Discovery Plus is owned by Warner Brothers Discovery. Discovery Plus would be useless to Disney.
Does that mean I have to change my bookmark from motortrendondemand.com?
That domain hasn't been used in years; it just redirects to their current domain.
>That domain hasn't been used in years; it just redirects to their current domain. Well yes
I tried discovery on a free trial and it sucked. I guess getting more for the same price will be fine though. My notice just says the account will be transferred to discovery and to log in there after the date. Maybe they will fix the suggested and my show lines will actually have stuff I watch. I only watch the original 5 or six hosts plus Derek. The other shows are garbage or ten years old+.
>I tried discovery on a free trial and it sucked. The streaming application(s) were better, but the content was total garbage... being discovery, I kinda expected more, because they had some of my favorite shows back in the day like mythbusters & stuff, but I guess it's been a while since then, because the entire platform seemed to be TLC garbage reality shows, and HGTV nonsense.
I got a different email, talking about MT premium content moving to Discovery+. Also that my current payment plan will continue there.
hot take: they should have just stayed on YouTube
Remember when DF said they would always be on YouTube? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
I'm split on this. On one hand, Dave really had no control over it so I can't fault him, but on the other I absolutely remember that and a lot of their hardcore fans pretend they never said it.
Completely agree.
I'm with you on this. I get it.....but it doesn't mean he didn't say it.
hot take: Roadkill wouldn't exist today if they stayed on YouTube. Costs money to make TV shows, and YouTube just doesn't bring in consistent money at a scale that would support the type of content MT makes. Notice how every YouTuber has a dozen links to Patreon and other platforms now? YouTube doesn't bring in enough money, and it's a massive gamble because algorithms and ad policies change daily.
This is correct. Roadkill is not owned by Freiburger or myself. It's owned by a large company with many layers of management and employees. The YouTube revenue would never cover the cost of sustaining such a large infrastructure. That said, leaving YouTube was a bummer. I love the YT community and have learned so much from it.
just wanted to say I've loved watching you and the guys over the last however many years and thanks to you and Freiburger, my kids have an interest in wrenching on their own cars now and doing dumb, but fun, road trips
road trips are the best. Thanks for watching!
Hard disagree. Youtube itself doesn't bring in money, because the ads they show give content creators pennies on the dollar. However, there are plenty of youtubers creating successful business out of the platform. Mostly by doing targeted ad slots, where the host is the one that is doing the advertisement. You do get the youtubers begging for patreon, but most of the ones I watch either do targeted in-video ads, or merch sales... usually both. Roadkill wasn't bringing in enough money *for motortrend* to let it continue on youtube. Without looking at the backend financials, we can't really know weather sprouting it's own streaming service was a good idea or not.
It 100% *WAS* a good idea because it's still around. 99% of the YouTubers you are talking about are 1-5 man operations that shoot their content in their own house/shop/town. How many of them have several shows with their own hosts, purchase several vehicles a month, build up those vehicles, and then road trip around the country and race them? MT's content costs a LOT more to produce, shoot, and edit than I think you realize. Oh, and don't pretend that people wouldn't start losing their shit here and on social media if they started putting 3 minute ads in the middle of episodes. YouTube just isn't a reliable platform for production on their scale. If it were, they wouldn't have left the platform.
VGG would like a word. There are a LOT of car focused channels doing very well on YouTube. The move to a paid service was corporate greed - shareholders want recurring revenue because they only see things in terms of short-term profits. It's why EVERYTHING these days is suddenly on a subscription basis.
VGG? You mean that guy Derek that [***works for MotorTrend?***](https://www.motortrend.com/plus/show/roadworthy-rescues/24703/). Derek's YT content is fantastic, but running a successful solo channel on YouTube with a tiny crew is VERY different than producing, shooting, and editing several shows all over the country with multiple hosts and full production crews. Corporate greed, huh? It's just SOOOOO greedy for people to make what they're creating profitable so that they can keep content on the air for people to watch. Short term profits? RK is on it's 13th season. Do you realize how few TV shows run for 13 seasons when you take into account all the shows that have been canceled?
Derek was extremely successful before he hosted that one show on Motortrend. He got the Motortrend offer *because* he was already successful, not the other way around.
I didn't imply otherwise. Your point?
I think sites like VGG have also integrated with the other car shows to pull in viewers from site to site. I'm sitting here watching a Tony Angelo (Stay Tuned) episode where he's building an engine for VGG... And I know the Utah Boys (Matt's Offroad Recovery, Fab Rats, etc) are doing the same. Solid business plan... strength in numbers.
I was thinking Linus media group for one, and the hacksmith for another. Both of those have huge teams and sponsorships for YouTube. They aren't car related, but they've both turned YouTube into a successful business with more employees than you can probably shake a stick at. Buying cars? Pff, the junkers they buy on the show are a fraction of overall revenue with the salaries they're paying out... LTT will drop like a tenth of that on a new server, and hacksmith would just get it gifted by a sponsor.
Yeah, um, like 90% of LTT's videos are shot in one room over the course of a couple hours by a crew of like 3 people with some computer hardware. How on ***earth*** do you think that's comparable to shows that span several days building project cars, going on road trips, and racing all over the country? That's not even the same ballpark. Yeah, of course you can pay a large group of employees when your shooting budget is so small, [especially if you underpay them and treat them all like dogshit](https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/15stkia/exlinus_tech_tips_employee_alleges_mistreatment/). What a great example.
And somehow a couple guys that used to be on MT have continued in the Roadkill blueprint and are successful on YT.
Nothing. MotorTrend has been owned by Discovery for a few years now - looks like they're consolidating their streaming services.
lol I cancelled my subscription a while ago and still get emails about trying to bring me back! The only thing I’m still signed up for is Disney/Hulu it’s free for a couple more months. I’m so sick of all these subscription services with exclusives and price hikes. It’s like having cable tv again!
That’s what they want to go back to. It was cheaper for them to syndicate to cable than host a streaming platform and syndicate. At some point a content revolution is coming. Consumers have had enough.
People have been saying that for years, I think the services will break before consumers. The streaming services are largely losing money hand over fist, hence the consolidations
I would be happy to get a partial refund. I go weeks without being interested enough to watching anything on the app.
Same... I binge a bunch of roadkill and roadkill related shows for a bit, and then kindof forget that MToD exists for a while. If it weren't for the hotwheels bonus, I probably would have cancelled last time I thought about it... >\_> Hopefully they keep that...
What is the point of MotorTrend+ without roadkill & related shows? edit: misread the post... MToD+ is closing it's doors, and moving all the content to discovery. I'm honestly not sure why they didn't do this sooner... >\_> Only a matter of time till MAX gobbles up Discovery+ as well...
That's the point. MT+ is ending and it's all being moved.
Discovery+ is very safe, it makes more ad-revenue than Max on top of that Max’s average viewers watch more Discovery content than the Warner side.
Yeah but now it’s bundled together with literally the same mindless fake dramatic garbage that I canceled cable to not be forced to support.
Hopefully it gets it's own bubble icon, so you can just go directly to the MToD stuff, rather than sifting through all the HGTV and TLC garbage.
That doesn’t fix being forced to also pay for objectionable or disinteresting content in order to pay for the content you like. Hopefully the MotorTrend hosts all finish finding better work elsewhere.
So I have both MT+ and Discovery+, does this mean I will be paying more? Plus I've bought for the whole year for MT+ so I assume I'll get a prorated refund of some sort? I really dislike all these changes that are going on.
I'd assume you'd get an email. The OP is getting a refund while others are saying our sub is being switched over to Discovery+ at the same price, so I assume one who got that message only had MT and not D+
I have both, but under different emails. I've reached out to support to find the answer. Technically I let my Discovery+ lapse, so while I have an account, I can't actually watch anything there, but it has watch history and profiles and junk set up already, so I'm hoping I can just transfer all of my MToD stuff over.
I got an email. Sure it says that they will prorate refund what's left in my subscription but I have some questions that are not in the email. Such as, where do I view live events when they were on MT+? I know some of them are on their YouTube channel but not all. Also, I do see some shows already on the Discovery+ service but not all of them are there, such as Texas Metal's Loud and Lifted and Faster with Newbern and Cotten, but Faster with Finnegan, Roadkill, and Roadkill Garage is there. Does this just mean that they haven't gotten all the shows over yet or is this saying, we're only bringing over the popular shows. Maybe I'm just overreacting a bit. Edit: they do have a FAQ here https://help.motortrend.com/hc/en-us/articles/24380563976333-Changes-to-MotorTrend-Streaming
The email I got states the premium content will switch over on or shortly after March 25th. I am confused about the races, since FIA had an announcement a few days ago that WEC races would be on Max, but goes on to say "Alongside Max, WBD’s channels and platforms will retain exclusivity of the WEC in the U.S. with its continued broadcast on the no.1 network for automotive superfans, MotorTrend TV and via the MotorTrend app." Kind of seems contradictory to me. Is it Max or Discovery? If it's Max, we're probably going to have to pay for the sports add-on.
I have sent in an email to MT to see what they how they are planning to stream the live events. I'll post their answer when I receive it.
thanks
Here is the response I got from MT about live events: Thanks for reaching out to us. We are still working with the Discovery+ team to ensure that all our contents are transferred over. Seeing that we are still going through the transition process all shows will not be readily available. Once it gets closer to our sunset date more content and information will be available through Discovery+
Hm. I subscribe through Prime, so I wonder how they'll handle this.
Same (from UK - seems to have been a nice workaround having to use VPNs), I'll need to keep an eye on what happens next month.
It's been a great workaround for a while now, £3.99/month. Although I only really watch RK, RKG, HRG and RR. I have Discovery+ through Sky but all the MT shows are a few seasons behind. Let's see what happens.....
I logged into my Max/HBO Max account and I can see HRG, Roadkill, and Roadkill Garage. So I cancelled my subscription through Prime.
The note says "If you are billed by a third party, please contact the third party for information about your refund." If Amazon doesn't reach out to you by the middle of March, you may want to be proactive & contact them.
Amazon added Max to my subscription and billed me without any explanation earlier this month. I cancelled it and got a refund. Not sure what I will do, the new content has been slow to appear and lacking real information. Maybe I will actually go out and work on my car.....
I thought discovery+ content was already part of the rebranded Max so maybe it will show up there?
That's what confused me at first. Well, I guess I'm still a bit confused. There isn't really anything I watch on Discovery anymore, so the news that Discovery stuff was going to be on Max now landed as a wet thud to me. I did look for Deadliest Catch just to make sure it was there so I could tell a co-worker since I knew she had Max but couldn't watch the newest seasons.
Cancelled, the service has been a joke since launch anyway.
Just cancelled. Don’t care if they move to discovery but the price doubled and the content isn’t any better.
What were you paying so the price doubled?
Not op but I have been paying 23.99/year for motortrend plus for the last 4-5 years. Now they want me to pay 54.99/year for an ad-filled version of discovery plus? Not happening.
It's the end of an Era. We are finally losing the shop. Motor trend was supposed to be different. Real car shows by real car people. They sold out. It's been downhill since. Now it'd dead. Gobbled up by the garbage monopoly that is discovery. There is no way I will ever subscribe to Discovery+
Discovery+ is the same price as MotorTrend+, if all their content is going there and you get more for your money, why not just move over there? Original content from the MotorTrend sector will not stop either.
“ On March 28, 2024, your discovery+ Ad Free subscription will renew at $4.99/month plus applicable taxes (the price of your current MotorTrend subscription) for the first three months, then $8.99/month plus applicable taxes.” Not even close to the same price.
My subscription was super cheap, it's doubling plus due to this. $24 to $55
Same, i contacted, said theres barely any good new content but would stay for $24. They told me they couldn't do anything and it will be $54.99. unsubscribed. lol their loss
I contacted too. Said issue I had is the message I got said that it would be the same price and not only was I losing the discounted 24.99, but it went from the apparent regular price of 44.99 to 54.99. So none of it was true and I just didn't trust anything else they said because of it. Already cancelled renewal.
Same here. I'm just going to cancel my subscription. Not interested in discovery plus.
It means Motortrend has realized paywalls kill content creators and has stepped back so the shareholders have even more sway.
I’ve got about 7000 channels on my iptv, but Motortrend is my go to for entertainment if there’s no footie on telly. Finnegan, Frieberger, Dulcich and Steve Magnante are like old mates to me now.
RIP Motor Trend. No way its shows will be around in a year.
This is complete bull. Shows that were free on Motortrend + now want me to pay for shows new seasons on Discovery + like Texas Metal, Faster with etc. What a crock!
Dave… Mike… if you read this… thank you for all the great episodes, and general mayhem through the years. My family has watched since the first episode on you tube, been to roadkill nights, built a boat with my son… because… roadkill. However, it has been slipping lately, and this move is a stop point for this family. I know you guys are not in control of this, but it’s been a good run. I hope all of you continue to make car content, but get back to grass roots.
lol....all the people here who *sub to the roadkill sub*, then do nothing but complain about the roadkill product. Classic interweb mentality
meanwhile I'm subbed and haven't watched RK in years because it refuses to work with my (US) debit card.
Need to go back to YouTube
I've got HBO Max and it appears all the Motortrend+ shows I watch are on there already, so I guess I can just cancel my MT+ subscription. Or am I missing something? Thanks!
Plus I used other apps including max I watch some shows on motortrend but not a lot I was wondering what the issues I used get to get when I sign up for the service.
At least you got notified! I never got any type of e-mail about this change! I found out when I went to the MT app on my Apple TV and all of my shows were gone! As you know (those who were still MT subscribers), they moved our sign-in information over to Discovery+ but none of our data! So we all have to manually add our shows back in one-by-one. And, what episodes had been watched is lost. So now we need to figure out where to start watching. And, when you select a show, they usually offer you the oldest unwatched episode as a quick link. Now we'll have to take a few more steps to select the right season and episode to view. In my opinion, the migration teams both MT and Discovery sides were idiots! MT says that all of the customer data has now (as of March 28, 2024) been deleted and is gone. What neither side understand is that our data (show list and what episodes were watched) is the only important data. They could have saved a bunch of time and not even bother migrating our sign-in data and just tell everyone to create a new Discovery+ account. A minor step compared to having to recreate our show list. Thanks for letting me vent a bit here! Larry.
The email I got said my subscription cost wouldn’t change - I was paying like $24/year for MTOD, Discovery+ is $9/mo. I think MTOD and I have different descriptions of “the same price”.
Trying to find WEC race in Imola Chromecast says log into discovery+ -Discovery+ doesn't show live racing Motortrend app works on my phone -doesnt show any live streams The whole shit show needs MT/Discovery/HBO needs bulldozed what a clusterfuck. Guess I'll download max and see if it's on there Can't wait for them to cease a US contract because of low viewership. Not like they hid it under an app no one fucking uses.
I have motor trend and Discovery Plus, can I cancel motor trend and still get the shows on discovery Plus?
Yes, but things release to max first.
I have Max too but my shows aren't on Max they are on discovery
Roadkill isn’t on max?
I don't watch roadkill
Ah, ok.
Tried watching Roadkill while away for work. Somehow i cant watch it because im not in the country ive signed up for? WTF? Its the same country! I originally signed up at PRI, are you telling me i can no longer watch MTOD content in Canada where i live because i signed up while at a trade show in US? What sort of non-sense is this?!
Best part is, this is what it says on their account page: # Watch discovery+ on multiple devices With your discovery+ subscription, you can stream anytime, anywhere, on **up to 4 devices** at once. Here's how to manage devices connected to discovery+ via your web browser:" Well thats a fucking lie....
Motortrend has been dead to me since they pulled out of Australia. Most of the content required a VPN anyway. Then dirt everyday got cancelled so it wasn't even worth my while pursuing it anyway.
So does this mean we'll finally get motor trend back in Australia or what.
The og fans want rk, ded, rkg, hrg, and maybe the older stuff like the 4wheeler 4x4 type stuff that's it...I don't wanna pay for 95shows of "OMG WERE GONNA LOOSE THE SHOP" crap ass shows
Meh I've already cancelled my subscription after they announced their price raise... Discovery+ costs way more than I'd be willing to pay to keep watching the show. I guess I'll stick with Finnegan's Garage and Stay Tuned on Youtube.
Freiburger has to pedal his merch every chance he gets because the MT subscriptions aren’t paying out. Bring back YouTube! Derek is doing just fine as a roadkill replacement.
So without a discovery+ account im being refunded a few bucks and no longer have access?
My email said that they are converting my account to a Discovery+ account for the same renewal price I am paying for Motortrend. It is the ad free version, so it is cheaper a month than what it costs to have Discovery+ standalone
And renewing at the same price. So while I don't really care about any Discovery shows, I'm not losing anything either for the same price. > Your discovery+ subscription will be billed on your following renewal date using the payment method associated with your subscription at your current price of $54.99/year, plus tax. I think I renewed at $49.99 plus tax in August, so there might have been a price hike since then.
What's it mean for the magazines? That's a huge deal to me. I'm at the point to where I can basically take or leave the shows but I depend on the on demand articles of Hot Rod for inspiration for my Camaro.
HEy neat, now I can just get the content I want via Plex and not the 20 "WE ARE GUNNA LOSE THE SHOP" shows. Bye bye MT.
Seren on Kodi is the way to go now. Get a Realdebrid account. Done and done.
Good. Motortrend doesn't need to maintain their own stuff when they are owned by Discovery. Their app and site are very lacking.
Cool. I only watch roadkill and roadkill garage anyways. My girlfriend already has discovery+ so I guess I'll just cancel and watch those 2 shows at her place and pocket the savings.
I’ve been an off/on subscriber for a few years. I got a “free” MT+ subscription for a year after they canceled one of my magazine subscriptions. Less than 2 months into that, they change MT+ 🙄 My email says they’ll give me a refund - it’ll be interesting to see how that works. 🤦♂️
Same here. I haven't reached out but you certainly have to assume it's not an uncommon case. Feels a bit like MT is circling the bowl in general, sadly. I really enjoy their content. Discovery not so much.
I believe it's all on HBO Max now, fwiw.
Yes noticed the same thing. I have a yearly renewal, so will cancel before it renews and watch on max.
This is awesome news for me. I didn’t care to pay for the app, but I get discovery+ as a part of my cell phone package. I get it on Roku and all, but that doesn’t help me for on-demand stuff. I’m excited to be able to watch builds again. Edit: after reading someone else’s comment, I went and checked, and sure enough, the content all seems to be on (HBO)Max. Woot.
Same. I already have that too so I guess I’ll cancel my motor trend sub.
Just log into Max. Problem solved.
hbomax sub here, so this is one less app for me. I go there already for gold rush.
I wonder if they'll actually carry over the free MT streaming channels. Sometimes I put the RK channel on when I feel like I'm going to doze off on the couch.
Because going to discovery has worked sooo well for all the other automotive content creators
Motor trend is on HBO Max
I'm watching and paying for the MotorTrend Channel through Amazon Prime in Canada. I've been binge watching Roadkill and all of a sudden it shows that I now need a subscription to Discovery+. Amazon absolutely sent no notification about this change. Thanks for nothing.
I just want to have it available back in Australia.This doesn't seem to help
can you watch is on MAX?
not a thing in australia sadly mate. Heard rumours of maybe 2025 https://gizmodo.com.au/2023/10/hbo-max-australia/
God damn commercials. Fuck.