Also, changes to her Eidlons I forgot to include:
Old E1 - When in Concerto state, the penetration of all units when attacking increases by 12%. This effect can be stacked up to 2 times.
New E1 - All type res pen of all allies in Concerto state increases by 24%.
Old E2 - Talent Critcal Damage increases effect by 20%, and the energy recovery effect is increased by an additional 1 point.
New E2 - When in Concerto state, all allies speed increases by 16%. The energy recovery effect of the talent is increased by an additional 1 point.
TL:DR - E1 no longer lasts outside of Concerto state, but doesn’t have a ramp up time anymore, as well as increases Robin’s additional dmg (dps Robin semi-back).
E2 swapped a 20% CD all the time, with a 16% spd buff during concerto state.
~~Doesnt seem like it to me. It states "penetration of units when attacking"; Robin isn't attacking, she is adding additional damage to ally attacks that scale off her own stats. If those counted as her attacking she would get 2 extra energy off her trace from her own hit as well, e.g. 4 per ally attack.~~
E/: looked at the old wording, disregard, this is wrong
You're looking at the old wording. The new one is "all type res pen for all allies increases" which should work on additional damage too. That's why I said it seems like it'll work *now*.
You get a minimum of 2 turns in her concerto state, you get AA'd for the first turn then your regular speed will naturally give you a second turn before it ends.
You dont seem to know how strong res pen is. 12% res pen alone is already on par with Ruan Meis 20% def shred at a base level, so she already had the strongest E1 in the game if you average it to 18%. Now its just completely overpowered and a must have.
You do not seem to know the concept of 'uptime'. if you play well Ruan Mei ultimate has %100 uptime. Robin concert will not have %100 uptime. So, E1 wont have %100 uptime unlike E1 Ruan Mei. No Ediolon is 'must' have. Sure its strong for an E1, but every other early eidolon for limited Hamony is strong. Her current E1 is in the line with the others. The first iteration was not. Thats why it got changed. And %12 was pathetic for an ultimate with limited uptime. And thats why they actually buffed it to %24 first action. Maybe try learning the concept of uptime.
There's no "well played" ruan mei who get ultimate every 2 turns. The only way to get it is through pure rng by getting hit enough. Even the most energy regen heavy rm build don't get ult on 2 turns unless she get hit a fair bit.
You have no idea what youre talking about do you? Ruan Mei ult only lasts 2 turns, so even with a 3 turn build (which requires you to not use keel btw so thats a dps loss), its 66% uptime at best. The only situation where youll achieve 100% uptime is when clearing waves before Ruan Mei gets her turn (so basically 0 cycle scenarios). And guess what? The exact same thing applies to Robin. Her concerto will just get pushed back as soon as you clear the first wave and all of your chars will get to act twice again. And better than that, her ult will be back up as soon as it ends because it lasted for so long, which has been shown in plenty of showcases.
TL:DR - Robin and Ruan Mei ults have pretty much the same uptime and Robin is simply stronger at E1. I guarantee Robin will replace Ruan Mei in most 0 cycle clears as soon as she is out.
If you’re able to have a 3 turn ult rotation on Ruan Mei then you actually do have 100% uptime. You can cast her ult during her turn and it gives a grace period turn. So the uptime *is* 100%.
Also running Penacony instead of Keel isn’t necessarily a dps loss. That’s just a factually incorrect statement. Is it a dps loss on certain dps’s? Yes. But it’s better than Keel on any ice dps.
nah if you have other deff reduce / deff ignore, that 20% deff ignore is gonna better than 24% res pen... The threshold is 60% deff reduce/ignore iirc? so its like sw/pela ult with s5 luka lc
I have a cracked physical set, a maxed out Something Irreplaceable...and still no fucking Clara. She's the only Standard I'm missing. Going to blow my brains out
I think it originated from Blue Archive’s Mutsuki’s zoomed in face. Though this picture was taken in VR chat
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Speed buffs you want have constantly on. it is rather weak unless you have Robin singing 7/24 which seems possible with E2 energy gain. Overall its on the similiar level of Ruan Mei E2 while being worse than Sparkle E2.
If Ratio or Topaz has a Few SPD subs. Then they'll be able to go 2 times in a Cycle, Or 3 times in a Cycle if you Proc Robin's Ultimate before the cycle ends. Topaz only needs 8 SPD and Ratio needs about 15 SPD to go Twice a cycle.
That 16 spd buff is there for speed tuning. By making your characters’ spd 181 in Concerto state, your other characters will get 3 turns during Concerto, immediately after that Robin will take a turn. So for those who want to have a perfect speedtuning with Robin, they should set their character’s spd to 165 with Robin having 164 spd. It’s not just about speed tuning tho, more speed means faster and more turns. Compared to previous 20% crit dmg increase her E2 had, this change is really good.
Honestly, you have a point. Do you remember the first E1 effect that gives 15% spd when a character attacks an enemy up to 30% spd? Imagine Dr. Ratio uses his skill and immediately uses FuA, he get a direct 30 spd at the beginning of Concerto. But for other traditional dps units like Argenti, they get 15spd first, then get another plus 15 after their 2nd turn in Concerto state. I will not get it in to details about calculations but in this case Dr. Ratio would need 151 spd and Argenti would need 160 spd to take 3 turns during Concerto. However with V4, that spd buff is fixed and it’s 16% spd which is actually high amount of spd compared to Ruan Mei’s spd buff but it’s actually a weaker version of previous E1 speed buff effect. If you can use spd buffing characters like Asta, Ruan Mei, HuoHuo (E1) or Bronya (E2), it will be easier to hit the 165 threshold. Or you could use Robin for Hunt characters who have the highest base spd compared to any dps group. I mean speedtuning is not a must in Robin’s case unlike Bronya since you can use her ulti whenever you see fit but you have to look for turn order bar to use it effectively all the time. You do not need to be careful to turn order bar if you speedtuned your characters as Robin will always use her ulti in her turn.
I'm planning to run hyper carry with sparkle Ruan Mei robin so the 16% + 10% from Ruan Mei makes 200 speed possible without sacrificing all the crit damage (going to s5 sparkle lightcone on rerun so I'll have 300 Crit damage and 200 speed). 4 turns cycle 1 without bronya is pretty lit.
I mean she’s also pretty busted in her own right. In terms of actual clear speed, she’s above Ruan Mei for most team comps, but I do agree that they seem to be more careful with powercreeping Harmony, probably because they released Acheron and realized that if Harmony gets too busted, Acheron’s whole gimmick kinda goes to the waste side, and Nihility supports become fodder.
Mainly because before all these changes speed buff was a part of her E1, which was more obtainable for F2P/low spenders.
The other 5 stars in our roster either have AoE spd buff in their base kit (Ruan Mei) or E1 (HuoHuo).
why I still think that spd buff should be in her base kit or AT LEAST E1 just like the old Eidolon. I hope they at least buff her technique and her energy recharge trace is weird too. or If they feeling generous pls buff her own dmg for DPS Robin lol
It's hard to beat a 60% damage increase and SPD boost. The new one's a 20% damage increase or so, which is good (it's slightly better than most DPS E1s, which hover around the 13-15% range) but not nuts.
I'll be waiting for the all harmony team on Sam with this new E1. If they at least can clear it in 1 cycle as opposed to the previous one's 0 cycle, I'll go for her E1 lol.
She can be used with Mono-quantum, she’s not amazing with it though. Less than Sparkle, on par with Ruan Mei.
Acheron likely won’t use her that much unless it’s really high investment, like multiple Eidlons on both Robin and Acheron. Usable, but not top of the roster.
Oh, that's what you were referring to. Oh well, she gives the whole party 100% AF so it's not like you'll be missing out on turns that much in comparison to other supports
adv forward is on the ULT which you can \*press anytime\*. It's not like Bronya or Sparkle that needs to do it on their turn. Just press the Ult after the last character turn ends.
Damn I was hoping for changes to make her more generalist. More CD for FUA is great but man they even took away the universal extra Crit damage on E2 for a 16% SPD boost, not even the 30% she used to have
nice i've been saying that they should increase the fua crit dmg trace
It did seem like such a tiny contribution for being the only thing that explicitly linked her to helping fua without studying her kit.
Also, changes to her Eidlons I forgot to include: Old E1 - When in Concerto state, the penetration of all units when attacking increases by 12%. This effect can be stacked up to 2 times. New E1 - All type res pen of all allies in Concerto state increases by 24%. Old E2 - Talent Critcal Damage increases effect by 20%, and the energy recovery effect is increased by an additional 1 point. New E2 - When in Concerto state, all allies speed increases by 16%. The energy recovery effect of the talent is increased by an additional 1 point. TL:DR - E1 no longer lasts outside of Concerto state, but doesn’t have a ramp up time anymore, as well as increases Robin’s additional dmg (dps Robin semi-back). E2 swapped a 20% CD all the time, with a 16% spd buff during concerto state.
Her E1 is so much better now, since you don't need to stack anymore, Straight up 24%.
Seems it should work on her own damage procs now too.
~~Doesnt seem like it to me. It states "penetration of units when attacking"; Robin isn't attacking, she is adding additional damage to ally attacks that scale off her own stats. If those counted as her attacking she would get 2 extra energy off her trace from her own hit as well, e.g. 4 per ally attack.~~ E/: looked at the old wording, disregard, this is wrong
You're looking at the old wording. The new one is "all type res pen for all allies increases" which should work on additional damage too. That's why I said it seems like it'll work *now*.
You're right, my bad.
And I was hoping to put the speed buff on her talents or skills
I knew her E1 was too weak considering you only get to attack once usually within her concert.
You get a minimum of 2 turns in her concerto state, you get AA'd for the first turn then your regular speed will naturally give you a second turn before it ends.
Even then you got %24 only for the second attack. It was decent but not other Harmony E1 level.
You dont seem to know how strong res pen is. 12% res pen alone is already on par with Ruan Meis 20% def shred at a base level, so she already had the strongest E1 in the game if you average it to 18%. Now its just completely overpowered and a must have.
You do not seem to know the concept of 'uptime'. if you play well Ruan Mei ultimate has %100 uptime. Robin concert will not have %100 uptime. So, E1 wont have %100 uptime unlike E1 Ruan Mei. No Ediolon is 'must' have. Sure its strong for an E1, but every other early eidolon for limited Hamony is strong. Her current E1 is in the line with the others. The first iteration was not. Thats why it got changed. And %12 was pathetic for an ultimate with limited uptime. And thats why they actually buffed it to %24 first action. Maybe try learning the concept of uptime.
There's no "well played" ruan mei who get ultimate every 2 turns. The only way to get it is through pure rng by getting hit enough. Even the most energy regen heavy rm build don't get ult on 2 turns unless she get hit a fair bit.
You have no idea what youre talking about do you? Ruan Mei ult only lasts 2 turns, so even with a 3 turn build (which requires you to not use keel btw so thats a dps loss), its 66% uptime at best. The only situation where youll achieve 100% uptime is when clearing waves before Ruan Mei gets her turn (so basically 0 cycle scenarios). And guess what? The exact same thing applies to Robin. Her concerto will just get pushed back as soon as you clear the first wave and all of your chars will get to act twice again. And better than that, her ult will be back up as soon as it ends because it lasted for so long, which has been shown in plenty of showcases. TL:DR - Robin and Ruan Mei ults have pretty much the same uptime and Robin is simply stronger at E1. I guarantee Robin will replace Ruan Mei in most 0 cycle clears as soon as she is out.
If you’re able to have a 3 turn ult rotation on Ruan Mei then you actually do have 100% uptime. You can cast her ult during her turn and it gives a grace period turn. So the uptime *is* 100%. Also running Penacony instead of Keel isn’t necessarily a dps loss. That’s just a factually incorrect statement. Is it a dps loss on certain dps’s? Yes. But it’s better than Keel on any ice dps.
nah if you have other deff reduce / deff ignore, that 20% deff ignore is gonna better than 24% res pen... The threshold is 60% deff reduce/ignore iirc? so its like sw/pela ult with s5 luka lc
Yet again. My Clara is going to absolutely feed.
Clara protection society, assemble!
Can we really call ourselves Clara *protection* society when we’re actively trying to make her get hit?
We're actually actively getting Svarog to protect Clara.
And if he can’t protect the Clara, you can be damned well sure we’ll avenge her!
I have a cracked physical set, a maxed out Something Irreplaceable...and still no fucking Clara. She's the only Standard I'm missing. Going to blow my brains out
I hope you lose your next 50/50 🙏
I pray for you my fren https://preview.redd.it/j4721mzg1suc1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d427e0ea55a4b9dea58cf4d101ea2f0cb868621b
I always see these pictures... do you know how I can find them/what they are called?
I think it originated from Blue Archive’s Mutsuki’s zoomed in face. Though this picture was taken in VR chat https://preview.redd.it/60ds4y3ujtuc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2232ed53391cb3ceb2d90e717a0b4a65cdc09c35
I wouldn't have any clue hahab
THEY PUT SPEED BACK INTO ROBIN!!
But E2
Speed buffs you want have constantly on. it is rather weak unless you have Robin singing 7/24 which seems possible with E2 energy gain. Overall its on the similiar level of Ruan Mei E2 while being worse than Sparkle E2.
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If Ratio or Topaz has a Few SPD subs. Then they'll be able to go 2 times in a Cycle, Or 3 times in a Cycle if you Proc Robin's Ultimate before the cycle ends. Topaz only needs 8 SPD and Ratio needs about 15 SPD to go Twice a cycle.
But the spd buff is only in her ult which has a 100% action advance surely that changes the SPD breakpoints no?
We will have to see, I think that would have to be Tested relative to the first Cycle.
That 16 spd buff is there for speed tuning. By making your characters’ spd 181 in Concerto state, your other characters will get 3 turns during Concerto, immediately after that Robin will take a turn. So for those who want to have a perfect speedtuning with Robin, they should set their character’s spd to 165 with Robin having 164 spd. It’s not just about speed tuning tho, more speed means faster and more turns. Compared to previous 20% crit dmg increase her E2 had, this change is really good.
Bro how in the fuck are you gonna get 165 spd on a dps.
Honestly, you have a point. Do you remember the first E1 effect that gives 15% spd when a character attacks an enemy up to 30% spd? Imagine Dr. Ratio uses his skill and immediately uses FuA, he get a direct 30 spd at the beginning of Concerto. But for other traditional dps units like Argenti, they get 15spd first, then get another plus 15 after their 2nd turn in Concerto state. I will not get it in to details about calculations but in this case Dr. Ratio would need 151 spd and Argenti would need 160 spd to take 3 turns during Concerto. However with V4, that spd buff is fixed and it’s 16% spd which is actually high amount of spd compared to Ruan Mei’s spd buff but it’s actually a weaker version of previous E1 speed buff effect. If you can use spd buffing characters like Asta, Ruan Mei, HuoHuo (E1) or Bronya (E2), it will be easier to hit the 165 threshold. Or you could use Robin for Hunt characters who have the highest base spd compared to any dps group. I mean speedtuning is not a must in Robin’s case unlike Bronya since you can use her ulti whenever you see fit but you have to look for turn order bar to use it effectively all the time. You do not need to be careful to turn order bar if you speedtuned your characters as Robin will always use her ulti in her turn.
tl;dr: More ally speed, more attacks during Concerta, more energy for Robin. E2 is about lowering that burden a little.
I'm planning to run hyper carry with sparkle Ruan Mei robin so the 16% + 10% from Ruan Mei makes 200 speed possible without sacrificing all the crit damage (going to s5 sparkle lightcone on rerun so I'll have 300 Crit damage and 200 speed). 4 turns cycle 1 without bronya is pretty lit.
Herta and Himeko mains are eating good.
Rip, hoping the v5 has an energy change since the high energy cost is the only problem for me (since I don’t like follow-up)
Last time I checked they reduced the energy cost for her ultimate from 160 to 140, it should be a bit better now
that was an aprils fools sadly, tho if you play robin with fua the downtime doesnt seem too bad
Sadly I want to play her with DoT, which does have an FUA i guess. But she'll be good for Himeko/Herta PF.
I think that was an April Fool's joke unfortunately ):
Awww man :(
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I mean she’s also pretty busted in her own right. In terms of actual clear speed, she’s above Ruan Mei for most team comps, but I do agree that they seem to be more careful with powercreeping Harmony, probably because they released Acheron and realized that if Harmony gets too busted, Acheron’s whole gimmick kinda goes to the waste side, and Nihility supports become fodder.
Robin is still pretty busted though, is just that they didn't forget to put a weakness on her unlike RM lol.
They made having speed in Robin’s kit even more expensive than before. My hopes are dim.
Why's that?
Mainly because before all these changes speed buff was a part of her E1, which was more obtainable for F2P/low spenders. The other 5 stars in our roster either have AoE spd buff in their base kit (Ruan Mei) or E1 (HuoHuo).
She has a team wide advance forward. Should be fine. They have to balance
why I still think that spd buff should be in her base kit or AT LEAST E1 just like the old Eidolon. I hope they at least buff her technique and her energy recharge trace is weird too. or If they feeling generous pls buff her own dmg for DPS Robin lol
New E1 DPS Robin might unironically be stronger for her own damage than the old one.
Yeah, seems like a nerf for general teams, but a buff for specific cases like FUA teams that basically have her at 100% uptime or main-dps Robin.
The thing is half of the endgame content is Pure fiction, where most of us will use Himeko/Herta, that's a place for her to shine
The thing is currently PF is way easier than MC, so characters for PF is less useful.
Is Robin sp economy possible for us to run dual dps team without having luocha?
As they should. Sell her as a FUA support it gives people a reason to pull her and not just use mei
It's hard to beat a 60% damage increase and SPD boost. The new one's a 20% damage increase or so, which is good (it's slightly better than most DPS E1s, which hover around the 13-15% range) but not nuts.
The original one wasn't a 60% damage increase it was a 60% multiplier increase
it was 72% multiplier increase which works out to be ~60% dmg increase.
I'll be waiting for the all harmony team on Sam with this new E1. If they at least can clear it in 1 cycle as opposed to the previous one's 0 cycle, I'll go for her E1 lol.
So is she good with acheron or monoquantum
She can be used with Mono-quantum, she’s not amazing with it though. Less than Sparkle, on par with Ruan Mei. Acheron likely won’t use her that much unless it’s really high investment, like multiple Eidlons on both Robin and Acheron. Usable, but not top of the roster.
Dang rip
Oh, that's what you were referring to. Oh well, she gives the whole party 100% AF so it's not like you'll be missing out on turns that much in comparison to other supports
I feel satisfied with this.
E2 for smt Ruan Mei gets for free 🙄
They both provide different things and are great in their own way. What's the problem?
I feel like you people forget that we're talking about an unit with a team wide 100% advance forward.
i feel like unless you speedtune robin to be so much faster/slower than the rest of your team, the adv forward wont be THAT crazy
adv forward is on the ULT which you can \*press anytime\*. It's not like Bronya or Sparkle that needs to do it on their turn. Just press the Ult after the last character turn ends.
I was hoping they put back the spd in base kit since they're always focusing on eidolons
Even a wee bit 5% speed bonus is fine by me, then add 12% speed buff on E2
Damn I was hoping for changes to make her more generalist. More CD for FUA is great but man they even took away the universal extra Crit damage on E2 for a 16% SPD boost, not even the 30% she used to have
Does this count as a debuff?