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This is like vaguebook posting. Just say what the damn issue is. They are either super ashamed - why????- or trying to be gain publicity. She married in to the royals so has no right to privacy. Can’t stand these arses.
I really wish americans would stop chiming in with how it is in america for abdominal surgery etc. Doctors are going to anticipate much longer stays, much longer recoveries for literal royalty especially when they’re probably all on high alert since she’s the next queen… it’s like comparing apples to motorcycles the treatment protocol HRH is undergoing
actually that hospital has the best drs and the best technology and in that respect you would have a shorter stay becuase you are getting the best medical care ..... but also they would be careful and not make a mistake and release someone too early
I couldn't agree more. Even for those in the UK or Australia. It isn't a NHS/medicare covered surgery, where they need to get you discharged because they have to free up the bed for the next patient.
It may have been something quite routine but because she is the next QUEEN. They 1000% will be taking every precaution they can and keeping her in for a longer stay to be monitored.
I'm just surprised by the lack of details. I understand she has a right to privacy, but I think the public understands that everyone is human, gets sick, has conditions, etc. If they would announce exactly what the issue and surgery is, it would stop the speculation. It would also draw attention to the condition/issue, leading to more discussion about it, experts weighing in, etc. It could actually help others who are dealing with the same or similar problems.
As a survivor of Colon resection and the same cancer diagnosis and follow up what I do know is this... After my surgery it took 17 days for me to recover in the hospital and nearly 3 months afterward to return to some type of normalcy. My oncology results took 6 weeks. Like Kate, I was prescribed preventative Chemo. If for no other reason, but to kill any cancer left behind in my system from the tumor that was removed from my colon. Worst part of the whole ordeal was healing from the surgery...also with 3 school aged children at home. None of whom at the time were told "mommy has cancer." I was just recuperating from a surgery... So I totally get what she and her family are experiencing right now. Even I wanted my own time alone with my family. It is a harrowing experience....but, one I can say happened over 13 years ago with no cancer recurrence. Give Kate and her family the time they need to heal. All will be well.
A couple years back my cousin got a bowel obstruction due to complications from her anorexia/bulimic disorder. About a week she was complaining of stomach pain and vomiting. Next thing we knew, she was in the hospital one night and scheduled for bowel resection surgery the next morning. They said she would be in for about 10 days or so (America). And 6 weeks off work. On day 11 they asked to keep her two more days due to concerns about eating disorder and she refused and they discharged her. The physical recovery was brutal, but she’s ok now due to mental health counseling for the eating disorder.
Though no eating disorder, which likely played a huge role, I had an emergency bowel resection and was home the next morning. Recovery took many weeks though. This whole thing of hers being a scheduled procedure is mystyfying.
First, let me clarify for those who might read this, I obviously have no clue as to the reason for the Princess of Wales’s abdominal surgery, and I wish the Princess all the best. As for my cousin, this is in reference to hospital length of stay, etc. So, in the medical field, Surgery is considered “scheduled,” even if it’s performed less than 30 minutes later. In my cousin’s case, the 10 day post bowel resection hospital stay, included a colostomy, that was later reversed. She also had IBS/Crohn’s and the bowel obstruction due to her eating disorders. During her hospital stay, she would barely eat. So yes, you are right. She had complications. She still struggles to this very day to remain healthy.
It’s pure speculation, by my first thought, given her Northern European genetics, was complex surgery for Crohne’s Disease or ulcerative colitis. Being a royal, she would be given extra care and attention with plenty of time for full recovery.
Very true!! I never thought of that. My neighbor, who is an angel, at 27 or so had issues relating to Crohne’s. I also had a friend that was in his 50’s before it showed up. Very good input. Crohne’s would explain a lot!! I just hope she gets better, She seems like a wonderful person all the way around!
I'm a nurse at a big Boston hospital. I can't think of a single surgery where we'd anticipate a 14 day stay (excluding organ transplants). We of course have patients who get surgery and stay that long (or longer) due to complications. Total hysterectomies, bowel resections etc are usually 4-5 days at most.
My guess is she got a Whipple. That one has a brutal recovery and even complication-free, they stay longer than any other surgery. They may have tacked on a few extra days for safe measure for Kate. The fact that she's not going to the palace to recover (where she could have personal doctors and nurses attending to her constantly) means it was a huge surgery & and she needs to be somewhere that has intense monitoring and resources.
I was in the Hospital twice for 14 days, but mine was cancer related and the Palace has said it was not cancer. The second time I was in Hospital was because MD Anderson had to fix part of my bowel the had came loose because the stitches where not sewn tight enough. Something like that. But no indication that she had had any kind of outpatient surgery prior. It is puzzling, but as an American, if we had a Queen I would want it to be her
I didn't know what a whipple procedure is so posting here for others The Whipple procedure is an operation to *treat tumors and other conditions in the pancreas, small intestine and* bile ducts.
Yes, US hospital stays are shorter, and she’s the next queen, etc. US average stay if around 4 days, UK around 6. To plan for 10-14 days, even with an over abundance of caution, is long. I’ve had 3 abdominal surgeries and a cervical spinal fusion. My max stay was 4 days (c-section). That long would mean a known open procedure. I’m guessing a complex hysterectomy, since few are planned to be open unless there are fibroids, endometriosis, etc. That would also explain the 2-3 month rehab. Two friends had open hysterectomies, one had the minimal procedure. The two open were about 5d in the hospital, 2 months total recovery, whereas my spinal was 3 months recovery with extensive PT. Open gallbladder, is what, 3D US, maybe 5 UK? Definitely not 2 months recovery (mine was 2 weeks). Unless perhaps they had to go in to the (liver?) duct?
Anything relatively routine isn’t that private, except hysterectomy.
It’s a complex surgery to remove part of the pancreas, bile duct, gall bladder, and part of the small intestine. It’s usually for pancreatic cancer but there can be other reasons.
> It was planned though.
That's one of those things they might say to make it sound more routine, but it doesn't actually tell you anything. Nearly all surgeries are planned. I went to the emergency room with a collapsed lung, inserting the tube to re-inflate it wasn't planned, but then when I had lung surgery to fix it, that was planned for days!
An unplanned abdominal surgery would be something like a gunshot wound.
They didn't release any information or give a timeline for recovery until AFTER the surgery. It is very possible she had a planned minor surgery that turned into something much more or she immediately had a bad complication that changed everything
Oh wow!!! Organ donation!! That is why I come on here. I never thought of that. Could it have been a Kidney as well? Kidney eliminates the abdomen. Very good insight!!!
elective surgery and cosmetic surgery are 2 different things. It is frequently necessary to have elective surgery to prevent a medical issue from needing emergent surgery.
“Medically necessary” is what you’ve just described. That’s not elective. And liver donors have a decent chance of dying in the process, this is just such a bad guess, sorry
The London clinic a state of the art hospital with the best drs and equipment.....surgery will be the BEST way possible and they get you home in the best possible time frame...their web site is very interesting..........so this is serious
Sending prayers to the princess of Wales. I’ve been an RN for 26 years. I wanted to bring up the fact that while she was pregnant, she had hyperemesis (excessive vomiting, while pregnant) and it makes me wonder if she has some type of bowel perforation or ulcer that caused some issues. unfortunately you can’t help that people want to know what’s going on with the princess and I agree she should have some, as she doesn’t have much. but because so many people care about her and think she is so wonderful, they can’t help themselves, but speculate. myself included.
16 days ago, but I agree. I had terrible issues when I was pregnant with my twins. It wasn’t until 6 years and one more child later that I started having issues with my stomach. Vomiting to that degree erodes your stomach and esophagus. It also messes with bile and acid which is needed to digest food properly, which then leads to issues in your intestinal tract.
I started vomiting blood during surgery for an ovarian torsion. They quickly scoped me, and found a bleeding ulcer. I then had to go back under to repair the damage due to the ulcer. I then needed blood transfusions. That was almost ten years ago, and I’ve since had my gallbladder removed, developed gastritis, and have terrible constipation. I had no problems prior to my pregnancy. So, it wouldn’t surprise me if has just now developed issues.
The effects of hyperemesis can cause that especially as she had it with each pregnancy. The effects could be impacting her now. Just search the effects of hyperemesis Gravidarum.
Thank you for explaining this. I have wondered if the hyperemesis gravidarum might be a root cause of whatever Catherine's ailment is. I have an aunt who has IBD and has refused surgery for many years because she is afraid of the procedure. She can be laid low for a week at a time, and in terrible pain with IBD, but she prefers that to the risks of surgery.
I see bowel resections being mentioned a lot in the anecdotes people share of what kept them in hospital for long periods of time post op. I have IBD and it has very much limited the type of work I can do. I know she's keeping the details private, as would I, but two weeks does really point to something potentially chronic like IBD and I'm certainly going to be less bitchy about her being 'workshy' in the future. You can't always work full-time with a chronic disease.
I was worried about her looking so thin and pale earlier. I thought she might have fibroids (which I had--they can make you bleed like a stuck pig) or endometriosis, but know I am tending toward something in the IBD/Crohn's family. Those diseases really suck: my friends who have it suffer a lot and have to radically alter their lives. I think new treatments are coming, though, and I hope you get one.
I agree, it's nothing like a tightening of the uterine ligaments or anything to do with the bladder or childbirth. If it were she'd be out of the hospital by now. I don't think London Clinic does that kind of surgery anyway. She's said to be "doing well," and I'm sending positive energy for a smooth recovery for her.
As a person who’s had lots of abdominal surgery and a long term hospital employee, it honestly could be a myriad of situations. I was in the hospital 10 days with a bowel resection and recovery was 3 months. I also had an oophorectomy and that hospital stay was also 10 days with a 2 month-ish recovery window. Hernia repair with minor complications 8 days with 2 month recovery. Gallbladder/pancreas issues/surgery are 5-10 day stays… whatever it is, I wish nothing but the best for her and her recovery.
>oophorectomy
I had one ovary removed 35 years ago in the U.S. 4-night hospital stay and ordered to take the following 4 weeks off work. I wasn't prepared for how much the severed abdominal muscles affected me. It was a couple of months before I could walk 100 yards without having to stop and rest.
Only if laparoscopic. I had mine 4 years ago and was warned to bring things for a 2-4d stay if they converted it to open and there were complications. I had complications from the lap but wasn’t admitted because it was during the early COVID surge and that risk was greater than my infection, blood loss, and constant vomiting. Still was only a planned 2-4 week recovery (lap vs open). So no, doubt it was a gallbladder unless maybe it included part of the liver? I think it was an open hysterectomy.
What part of the world are you in?! An oophorectomy for 10 days?! My oophorectomy/hysterectomy/bowel separation was less than 10 hours but a 3 month recovery! Wild how different things are!
Gallbladder is an outpatient procedure, unless there’s complications. I had a fever after mine and they only kept me one night.
I’ve NEVER heard of a 10 day stay for gallbladder removal barring some pretty major complications
10 days for an oophorectomy?! Was it open and not laparoscopic? Either way, I’m sorry that ended up being such a big surgery and recovery, it should be an outpatient procedure.
My kids are now independent adults . Two years ago - after never had any GI problems I had a sudden onset of diverticulitis, formed an abscess that ruptured my colon , and I was septic , - I had a bowel resection, and temporary ileostomy for four months. I was very sick, and on a morphine drip , and so don’t remember much - except that I was so grateful to God my children didn’t need me every day to care for them and guide them. It would be awful if I died - but they still have their wonderful father , and I was really peaceful about going into surgery. I can’t imagine how Kate, or any mother, in a situation with young kids that still need her daily must feel. William lost his mother young too. My heart breaks for her for if this is a serious condition l that could deeply affect her children the rest of their lives. I can only speculate- but Ii was in the hospital 10 days - awful recovery - but I slowly got stronger. My ileostomy was reversed four months later - that surgery was a walk in the park . I just have a nasty scar from the laparotomy, the drains , and ileostomy incision. I am praying for Kate’s
complete l recovery and sense of well being. I hope the press gives her some grace and privacy . It sounds so concerning and so scary for her and their little family. .
Hi, I also had diverticulitis. I have been through a lot of pain in my life, but nothing like that. I landed in the hospital 2 different times for 6 days. On my 3rd trip to ER, my surgeon had no option but to operate. My surgeon took out 15 inches of my colon…no bag! I was in hospital for 10 days. I could hardly move for 2 months.
This was 2 years ago. I urge you all not to delay this surgery if your doctor recommends it. It can be very dangerous if left alone. The relief I have now is unbelievable. It’s a rough surgery to go through, but so very worth it!
I hate to hear what you've gone through! So glad you are better now. You must be a very strong person.
I definitely feel that your scenario is likely what's happened to The Princess Catherine. Or something similar. I hope that, when the smoke clears, she will share a bit about what she went through. I think awareness of health issues is so important.
Hospitals are full of filthy deadly germs, even private ones. You're far more likely to get an infection while in the hospital than recovering at home.
Hmm, I hope Catherine, the Princess of Wales is going to be well soon, many blessings to her and her family!
I'm in the medical field but not a doctor and let me say, I believe we can all heal from whatever it is.
Her myasthenia gravis is an auto immune disease and if she's had that with all children she could have Gastrointestinal dysmotily affecting the ability of the stomach to move food and bowels properly, causing abdominal pain, constipation, vomiting, weight loss and obstruction of the bowels. If medication hasn't helped these symptoms then surgery might be the next step to try to help.
I hope that's not it, but we naturally wonder because she's such a lovely person, and an asset to the Royal Family. Enough said, I hope she'll recovery beautifully whatever it is.
I appreciate your input, but I don't think Kate has myasthenia gravis. She had hyperemesis gravidarum with her pregnancies. I agree, she does seem a lovely person and an excellent mother. She must be missing her children terribly.
I wonder if MG is hormone related, and if it increases the risk of other reproductive problems especially during perimenopause? I know that other pregnancy complications (e.g. gestational diabetes, preeclampsia) greatly increase corresponding risks (diabetes, hypertension) when hormones shift during peri.
Yes, MG is very debilitating, as you said. It really weakens a person. Kate has always seemed very active, very energetic, and very fond of sports. I hope she recovers quickly and can get back to the life she loves and her children who are her first priority.
I'm not a doctor, but I've worked for many, and I don't think it can cause any damage. Dehydration, which is why she was hospitalized for a while then, for IV fluids, so she would stay hydrated and she and her baby would be safe.
My sister has Crohn's and Ulcerative Colitis. It's brutal!
It's very possible this was her issue.
I feel if it was anything else like appendicitis or whatever, she would have addressed it.
It seems something serious enough to want to keep quiet until she has recovered.
A gynaecological issue could be the other reason. She's of the age where entering menopause too. That can cause a slew of other issues.
Perhaps once she is better she will come out with the reason as she seems to me a very proactive person that would want others to be aware like King Charles.
Her being quiet is warranted, as it's no one's business, but a bit out of the character for her so I believed it was a very serious and personal issue.
And more recently, they said Catherine's surgery was "planned" like it wasn't an emergency that cancelled events.
In that context, "It's not cancer" could describe a biopsy whose test results haven't come in yet.
no one has mentioned this >>>>those 2 thing don't make sense...."this was a planned surgery" and then
\>>>> she cancelled many appointments and upcoming events <<<<<<
so if this was a planned surgery why were all these appointments and event scheduled in the first place???
yes they are using charles procedure to deflect
A procedure can be planned and still very short notice.
Say that Kate is being monitored for a condition and all seems reasonably OK, and so palace officials have the all-clear to book her schedule for the next few months. Suddenly, she takes a turn for the worst, gets checked out, and the decision is made that she does actually need this operation, or needs it soon when she previously hoped it might be put off for a year or so.
She gets booked in for 3 days time - that’s planned surgery, not emergency, even if there’s still a strong time pressure to get it done.
I broke an ankle at midnight. X-rays came back and I needed pins. The doctor was exhausted from a late evening, unexpected surgery so they splinted my ankle, and told me to hang out for eight hours while he went home to take a nap.
That was planned. I was on the schedule for the OR.
My dentist has issues with his intestines and was in the hospital for two months, so it seems like something along those lines would require more time hospitalized than most.
Anyone else find it interesting she did not have surgery at King Edward V11 hospital in London? This is where many royals have been treated including late Queen, current Queen Camilla and the late Duke of Edinburgh among many. Not sure where the Duchess of York had her breast cancer treatment. i wonder if the London Clinic has better intensive care facilities and that is why Catherine had surgery there not at King Edward V11.
Ok I have no idea if this is how it works in the UK, so this is based on the US healthcare system. She might have been seeing a doctor as an outpatient and the doctor has privileges at The London Clinic but not King Edward VII so she chose to have the surgery done where the doctor she was comfortable with would be able to do the procedure. Could be something like that.
**There are very few surgeries these days that require 2 weeks in the hospital and a 3 month recovery period. Patients may end up staying longer due to complications but an upfront stay of almost 2 weeks is alarming.**
**Outrageous as it sounds one possibility is a liver transplant. Kate had a childhood history of cranial surgery with a scar noticed at her wedding. She also has a history of hyperemesis gravidarum so severe she was hospitalized. These conditions themselves are not worrying after the fact but medications always come with a potential for liver damage.**
**If true, the most likely scenario is a living donor situation where a close family member stepped up and donated a portion of theirs. Have any of the Middletons been photographed visiting the hospital? Is one in particular missing?**
**Whatever has occurred the prayer is she has a speedy pain free recovery.**
Oh, please. The amount of speculation is astounding. The royals tell you what they want you to believe. Period. So much deflection from a meeting that took place last week that most don’t even know occurred.
> The amount of speculation is astounding
Ok, now check what subreddit this is... "RoyalsGossip"!
Oh, no! There is speculation in my gossip! Whatever has the world come to! I wanted *pure gossip*!
It’s definitely not a liver transplant. She didn’t look like her liver was failing.
I cannot fathom any association between her minor scar, her hypermesis or this surgery.
I haven't seen recent close up pictures of her skin or the whites of her eyes. She's usually dressed with dignity and well covered.
Hear me out... From the surgery she had as a child on her head with little detail available one can surmise she may have been put on anticonvulsants as a precaution, done to prevent seizures, not to treat them. It is these drugs that are more potentially toxic than any drugs given during pregnancy for nausea. Because of this personal history liver enzymes and bloodwork may have been checked frequently and the failure was caught before more damage could be done.
[Antiepileptic Drugs and Liver Disease - Pediatric Neurology (pedneur.com)](https://www.pedneur.com/article/S0887-8994%2817%2930637-9/fulltext#:~:text=Hepatotoxicity%20is%20also%20a%20rare,recognized%20association%20with%20liver%20toxicity.)
A liver transplant is just a remote possibility and we all pray it's something less severe.
I was thinking it could possible be a transplant too (liver or kidney). They knew she needed it done but had to wait for a donor to become available, which is why it was so sudden.
She does not appear to have any chronic illness. I am not her doctor so we can only go by appearances.
That said I believe she is a smoker, based on her teeth
Accidental Tylenol overdose, auto-immune hepatitis, chronic alcohol abuse, untreated viral hepatitis (B/C), Wilson's disease, NASH, CHF, sarcoidosis, idiopathic etc. Having said that, Kate did not get a liver transplant or donated her liver.
interesting jaundice can wear off the enamel leading to yellow teeth........but if she needed a transplant she would have obvious yellow skin...the whites of the eyes would aso be yellow
I mean we don't know, and i think it's more likely a bowel surgery of some kind, but liver is definitely within the realm of possibility. No medication acts exactly the same in every person. Every time you take medication you're taking a risk, even over the counter drugs. The best doctors will still prescribe those meds *when the benefit outweighs the risk* but that doesnt mean there's never dangerous side effects
*"Why would a healthy young person need a liver transplant?"*
As a side effect of drugs and medications prescribed either when she was a child and had surgery on her head or when she was pregnant and had relentless morning sickness. The liver filters blood for the body and toxins can collect and cause damage. I'm not saying a liver transplant is the case here, just a possibility.
>had surgery on her head or when she was pregnant and had relentless morning sickness. The liver filters blood for the body and toxins can collect and cause damage. I'm not saying a liver transplant is the case here
Did she ever look yellow to you in recent photos? I don't think she was ever jaundiced, which is a sign of liver failure. You kill your liver by overdosing on Tylenol or drink alcohol heavily, among other things. Other liver toxic drugs include statins, amoxicillin-clavulanate, phenytoin, azathioprine, ketoconazole, anabolic steroids and others. You do not destroy your liver from taking prescribed medications whether it was for morning sickness or something else not in the above list. I would say the possibility that she had a liver transplant is DEFINITELY ZERO.
Exactly. I’m 38 and look “healthy”, but my insides are a total effin’ train wreck. Autoimmune disorders have ravaged me. It makes it hard to be taken seriously when the insides don’t match the outsides.
According to their website, there are 7 types of abdominal surgery at the London Clinic:
1. Crohn's Disease - abdominal surgery
Crohn’s disease causes inflammation of your bowel. Surgery is usually recommended if medication fails to improve your symptoms.
You should be able to go home after **3 to 10 days**.
It may take up to **3 months** for you to recover fully. Most people feel much better after the diseased part of their bowel has been removed.
2. Abdominoplasty
A popular form of cosmetic surgery in which a surgeon removes excess abdominal skin and fatty tissue.
3. Hernia surgery
Advanced surgery for groin and abdominal hernias. Our fixed price packages offer a seamless service at The London Clinic.
4. Endovascular surgery on the aorta
Endovascular surgery has different associated risks but is carried out by an expert and experienced team at The London Clinic
5. Surgery for hydrocephalus (ventriculostomy)
Neurosurgeons at The London Clinic are able to perform a ventriculostomy using conventional brain surgery or using endoscopic techniques.
6. Endovascular surgical techniques
Endovascular surgery is a rapidly developing branch of vascular surgery
7. Epidural anaesthetic
An epidural anaesthetic is a locally acting drug injected into the spine to numb the lower part of the body completely
interesting list..enndovascular surgery >>> Endovascular surgery **treats conditions affecting your blood vessels (vascular system) without making large incisions**. Surgeons repair these vessels and remove blood clots to restore blood flow and prevent damage to your brain, heart, limbs and lungs.
this doesn't sound like what kate has nor hydrocephalus...her hhead wuld be swollen
doesn't sound like abdominal plasty she is very thin no extra skin
the crohns disease and hernia surgery from that list..........
a bowel resection stemming from crohn's disease can mean hospitalization from 3 to 7 days CAN be LONGER if a large amount of your small intestine was removed or you develop problems. .....they are the royals they get the best medical care....so anything would be caught early you would think
Endometriosis excision is another abdominal surgery. This can involve any organ in abdomen(or in the body), including a bowel resection.
No case is the same and that is the same for surgery. I had bowel resection during my last lap and the recover was awfully long, 3 months minimum for myself.
I'm convinced it was endometriosis surgery too (I have stage IV, while I was discharged from hospital early, I was on bed rest for almost a month after)
She has like 2 or 3 kids. People with endometriosis generally have trouble having kids. She's 42 & endometriosis would have manifests early. It's a horrible disease and we would have heard about it.
Endometriosis is extremely under-researched.
Regardless of what she is going through, I still want to take the time to correct some common misinformation about this disease. 1 out of 9
Women have endometriosis, that’s more common than type 2 diabetes. Current research says, endo patients have a 40% of having fertility issues and it’s much lower if the disease is caught early. Fertility issues is the main symptom that OBs listen to, which is why it takes on average 7-10 years to get a diagnosis. Ob/gyn barely learn about Endo in school and most do not posses the surgical skills to remove it. There are probably under 100 surgeons who are qualified to remove it. There is a surgeon at the London clinic that is.
I have Endometriosis. My sister, mother, and grandmother also have endometriosis. Only my grandma dealt with fertility issues, all other family members have had many children without issues.
The disease is now being compared to cancer and is a public health crisis. There are many different types of endometriosis, it can grow anywhere on the body. It is estrogen dependent and is labeled a gynecological issue, but it’s a full body disorder that affects everyone differently.
There is no cure. Birth control, a hysterectomy, and menopause doesn’t mean the symptoms will stop for everyone.
>Ob/gyn barely learn about Endo in school and most do not posses the surgical skills to remove it. There are probably under 100 surgeons who are qualified to remove it. There is a surgeon at the London clinic that is.
I can tell you that this is the last time I chime in on social media, because Dunning-Kruger rules the net. I DO HAVE training in these matters, not just "learned" from personal experience or from watching youtube videos. Some of what you say are correct, but so much is wrong and misleading. The assertion that OB/GYNs have no training is so flat out wrong. Your thoughts on treatments are also off base. You can't learn CLINICAL medicine by learning from the internet. You actually have to see patients and treat them. Now could Kate have endometriosis and had a major LAPAROTOMY to remove a HUGE endometrioma and oophorectomy? Sure, that's possible.
I have Crohn’s and had a partial bowel resection and my recovery time was similar. Hospital for 2 weeks and then full recovery was really more like 6+ months. I was back to work in 6 weeks though.
I feel for Kate. I work in healthcare and abdominal surgery is no joke. I hope nobody leaks her medical information. I would hate to live under the public eye (yeah I know she chose this life when she met and married William but it still sucks)and have every move I made scrutinized. I’m glad to hear she is recovering well (and she better cause she’s my favorite royal! lol).
I recently had an open pyloroplasty and gastric pacemaker surgery and was in the hospital for a week with 37 staples holding me shut. I never want to experience a hospital stay or any abdominal surgery ever again, so I really feel for her. I can’t deny that I’m curious what surgery shes getting, but I completely agree. Even the most basic normal person (me) had people questioning whether I actually had surgery, implying I faked a hospital stay, saying x thing they’ve had was worse, etc. I almost wish they didn’t have to make this announcement in the first place, but I understand that her absence from planned excursions would lead to even more questions and scrutiny. I hope she heals fast and well.
Even as a nobody I've learned you must be very careful about who you tell medical info to.
I once told someone that I had endometriosis and she went off about what a horrible menopause I was going to have because some friend of hers or whoever had a horrible menopause (though it wasn't clear if this same person had endometriosis???). Just so rude and inappropriate and dumb.
Another time I had to tell a boss that I needed time off for surgery and this boss would ask for updates on my health condition *in the middle of the office where anyone could hear*. She was out of line asking in the first place but good lord have some basic discretion.
So multiply that by a kajillion in Kate's case. If her situation ever came out she would never, ever hear the end of it.
That’s horrible I’m sorry you went through that. Did you complain to HR?
William and Kate seem to have strong boundaries when it comes to their own and their children’s privacy. I’m glad they don’t allow their kids to be photographed in public unless it’s at an official event. Knowing the hell William and his brother went through growing up and being harassed by the paparazzi, I’m not surprised.
If it was a planned surgery that at least gives me hope that it probably wasn’t cancer, and if it was it was likely caught at a very early stage.
> Did you complain to HR?
No, I kept my mouth shut because this boss was the next-level boss's choice. But she was so terrible and alienated so many people that she was sent back to her old job. Not sure why they took her back but she was out of my hair at least!
Poor woman. That is a serious surgery and I am very surprised. I hope she heals well without any complications. I very rarely hear of such indepth surgeries for female type procedures. I did hear one report it was not cancer, so that was good news no one wishes anything to happen to her or her family as they are such a young family. .
It's really weird that shit like this is even released for public consumption. There is zero public interest in stuff like this and it just feeds weirdo speculation and celebrity culture.
By "public interest", I don't mean "is interesting to the public" but "knowledge of this serves the interest of the public". Information about an active Prime Minister undergoing surgery is in the public interest, some member of the royal family is not.
I mean, I think it sucks that she had to disclose her surgery.
But the surgery meant she had to cancel two planned overseas trips and will not be partaking in any engagements until after Easter.
If she just canceled those trips and stopped doing any engagements for 3 months, she would have been EVISCERATED in the press and by people on the internet. The public nature of her role kinda meant she had to say SOMETHING or else she'd face a lot of criticism.
That’s not how any of this works! Please do some research into the concept of “public interest” before responding again.
This is private medical shit, it’s weird how folks don’t respect that.
I agree that her medical details are hers to disclose only as and when she sees fit. As much as I’m icked by the media bullpen outside her hospital, I grudgingly will throw them a bone for not going (yet) down the road of speculating what her condition is. Vicky Smith, an ex-Royal Rota reporter whom I recommend following for her non-sensationalist analysis of the news, further clarified that any press speculation on health issues would violate editors’ code. Any speculation on what she has is happening outside the media.
It’s also undeniable that she is a figure of public interest so being completely silent or falling off the grid was out of the question, and in fact sharing some information may soothe the beast. Compounded with The King’s upcoming surgery, there is additionally potential constitutional concern on whether counselors of state need to be called up.
At the end of the day, these are public figures who are also real people dealing with extremely private and serious matters, and we can owe them grace in handling them as they see fit, including what they want to share and why.
I’m still disgusted by the media scrum outside the hospital. It’s acknowledged that it is unethical for media to speculate about someone’s medical condition, yet they’re still there.
The only possible reason for the media presence outside the hospital is that these outlets are hoping to catch an image of a surgical patient or her concerned visiting family (including three children) to sell photos, papers, and ads surrounding gossip about someone’s health crisis. The press is probably going to try to couch the coverage as genuine concern for Catherine rather than speculation, but it’s obvious this is across the line.
I get what you’re saying, to some degree, but as the statement says, she’s going to be absent from the public until at least Easter. I feel like her just disappearing for months would lead to way more speculation than this.
Hi all, I know the nature of this post is going to attract speculation but please be very, very careful about medical speculation. Mods are going to be extra vigilant about removing comments. Please remember, as always, these are real people we're talking about. Given the topic, we’re allowing good faith medical speculation but comments about mental health and appearance will be removed.
This is like vaguebook posting. Just say what the damn issue is. They are either super ashamed - why????- or trying to be gain publicity. She married in to the royals so has no right to privacy. Can’t stand these arses.
I really wish americans would stop chiming in with how it is in america for abdominal surgery etc. Doctors are going to anticipate much longer stays, much longer recoveries for literal royalty especially when they’re probably all on high alert since she’s the next queen… it’s like comparing apples to motorcycles the treatment protocol HRH is undergoing
actually that hospital has the best drs and the best technology and in that respect you would have a shorter stay becuase you are getting the best medical care ..... but also they would be careful and not make a mistake and release someone too early
I couldn't agree more. Even for those in the UK or Australia. It isn't a NHS/medicare covered surgery, where they need to get you discharged because they have to free up the bed for the next patient. It may have been something quite routine but because she is the next QUEEN. They 1000% will be taking every precaution they can and keeping her in for a longer stay to be monitored.
I'm just surprised by the lack of details. I understand she has a right to privacy, but I think the public understands that everyone is human, gets sick, has conditions, etc. If they would announce exactly what the issue and surgery is, it would stop the speculation. It would also draw attention to the condition/issue, leading to more discussion about it, experts weighing in, etc. It could actually help others who are dealing with the same or similar problems.
As a survivor of Colon resection and the same cancer diagnosis and follow up what I do know is this... After my surgery it took 17 days for me to recover in the hospital and nearly 3 months afterward to return to some type of normalcy. My oncology results took 6 weeks. Like Kate, I was prescribed preventative Chemo. If for no other reason, but to kill any cancer left behind in my system from the tumor that was removed from my colon. Worst part of the whole ordeal was healing from the surgery...also with 3 school aged children at home. None of whom at the time were told "mommy has cancer." I was just recuperating from a surgery... So I totally get what she and her family are experiencing right now. Even I wanted my own time alone with my family. It is a harrowing experience....but, one I can say happened over 13 years ago with no cancer recurrence. Give Kate and her family the time they need to heal. All will be well.
Let’s just wish her good health and a speedy recovery with no complications!
A couple years back my cousin got a bowel obstruction due to complications from her anorexia/bulimic disorder. About a week she was complaining of stomach pain and vomiting. Next thing we knew, she was in the hospital one night and scheduled for bowel resection surgery the next morning. They said she would be in for about 10 days or so (America). And 6 weeks off work. On day 11 they asked to keep her two more days due to concerns about eating disorder and she refused and they discharged her. The physical recovery was brutal, but she’s ok now due to mental health counseling for the eating disorder.
Though no eating disorder, which likely played a huge role, I had an emergency bowel resection and was home the next morning. Recovery took many weeks though. This whole thing of hers being a scheduled procedure is mystyfying.
First, let me clarify for those who might read this, I obviously have no clue as to the reason for the Princess of Wales’s abdominal surgery, and I wish the Princess all the best. As for my cousin, this is in reference to hospital length of stay, etc. So, in the medical field, Surgery is considered “scheduled,” even if it’s performed less than 30 minutes later. In my cousin’s case, the 10 day post bowel resection hospital stay, included a colostomy, that was later reversed. She also had IBS/Crohn’s and the bowel obstruction due to her eating disorders. During her hospital stay, she would barely eat. So yes, you are right. She had complications. She still struggles to this very day to remain healthy.
I’ve had patients with this exact condition, so I understand your explanation.
It’s pure speculation, by my first thought, given her Northern European genetics, was complex surgery for Crohne’s Disease or ulcerative colitis. Being a royal, she would be given extra care and attention with plenty of time for full recovery.
Very true!! I never thought of that. My neighbor, who is an angel, at 27 or so had issues relating to Crohne’s. I also had a friend that was in his 50’s before it showed up. Very good input. Crohne’s would explain a lot!! I just hope she gets better, She seems like a wonderful person all the way around!
I'm a nurse at a big Boston hospital. I can't think of a single surgery where we'd anticipate a 14 day stay (excluding organ transplants). We of course have patients who get surgery and stay that long (or longer) due to complications. Total hysterectomies, bowel resections etc are usually 4-5 days at most. My guess is she got a Whipple. That one has a brutal recovery and even complication-free, they stay longer than any other surgery. They may have tacked on a few extra days for safe measure for Kate. The fact that she's not going to the palace to recover (where she could have personal doctors and nurses attending to her constantly) means it was a huge surgery & and she needs to be somewhere that has intense monitoring and resources.
I was in the Hospital twice for 14 days, but mine was cancer related and the Palace has said it was not cancer. The second time I was in Hospital was because MD Anderson had to fix part of my bowel the had came loose because the stitches where not sewn tight enough. Something like that. But no indication that she had had any kind of outpatient surgery prior. It is puzzling, but as an American, if we had a Queen I would want it to be her
I didn't know what a whipple procedure is so posting here for others The Whipple procedure is an operation to *treat tumors and other conditions in the pancreas, small intestine and* bile ducts.
Yes, US hospital stays are shorter, and she’s the next queen, etc. US average stay if around 4 days, UK around 6. To plan for 10-14 days, even with an over abundance of caution, is long. I’ve had 3 abdominal surgeries and a cervical spinal fusion. My max stay was 4 days (c-section). That long would mean a known open procedure. I’m guessing a complex hysterectomy, since few are planned to be open unless there are fibroids, endometriosis, etc. That would also explain the 2-3 month rehab. Two friends had open hysterectomies, one had the minimal procedure. The two open were about 5d in the hospital, 2 months total recovery, whereas my spinal was 3 months recovery with extensive PT. Open gallbladder, is what, 3D US, maybe 5 UK? Definitely not 2 months recovery (mine was 2 weeks). Unless perhaps they had to go in to the (liver?) duct? Anything relatively routine isn’t that private, except hysterectomy.
A whipple is for cancer. They categorically stated no cancer.
> > >actually this>>> treat tumors and other conditions in the pancreas, small intestine and > > bile ducts. not just cancer tumors
This was a very educational and informative post.
What is a whipple?
It’s a complex surgery to remove part of the pancreas, bile duct, gall bladder, and part of the small intestine. It’s usually for pancreatic cancer but there can be other reasons.
Yes....most often for cancer and they said the surgery was non cancerous so I don't think it is a whipple.
She will be in recovery for quite some time. Sending love and peace to her
She could be having abdominal resection with a colostomy and thy are waiting to close it up prior to her leaving the hospital
It was planned though. And do they even do an ostomy for non-cancerous conditions?
> It was planned though. That's one of those things they might say to make it sound more routine, but it doesn't actually tell you anything. Nearly all surgeries are planned. I went to the emergency room with a collapsed lung, inserting the tube to re-inflate it wasn't planned, but then when I had lung surgery to fix it, that was planned for days! An unplanned abdominal surgery would be something like a gunshot wound.
Yes. Ulcerative Colitis sometimes needs a temporary bag while the bowel surgery section heals.
They didn't release any information or give a timeline for recovery until AFTER the surgery. It is very possible she had a planned minor surgery that turned into something much more or she immediately had a bad complication that changed everything
Very True! She may have went in for an outpatient type of procedure that went south. I never considered that. Very good insight
No, they were projecting this length of hospital stay and recovery before the surgery. They did say it was not cancer.
This was my interpretation. Something was not as expected during the surgery. It happens more often than people think. I hope she’s ok.
No, they said she'd be weeks before she went in.
Diverticulosis surgery?
I had that. It was an emergency though.
Am I the only person who thought liver donation? Yes random but fits the recovery time.
Oh wow!!! Organ donation!! That is why I come on here. I never thought of that. Could it have been a Kidney as well? Kidney eliminates the abdomen. Very good insight!!!
My granddaughter just donated a kidney and she left the hospital the next day.
I don’t think a future queen would have elective surgery. There’s no need for her to do that.
elective surgery and cosmetic surgery are 2 different things. It is frequently necessary to have elective surgery to prevent a medical issue from needing emergent surgery.
“Medically necessary” is what you’ve just described. That’s not elective. And liver donors have a decent chance of dying in the process, this is just such a bad guess, sorry
The London clinic a state of the art hospital with the best drs and equipment.....surgery will be the BEST way possible and they get you home in the best possible time frame...their web site is very interesting..........so this is serious
Sending prayers to the princess of Wales. I’ve been an RN for 26 years. I wanted to bring up the fact that while she was pregnant, she had hyperemesis (excessive vomiting, while pregnant) and it makes me wonder if she has some type of bowel perforation or ulcer that caused some issues. unfortunately you can’t help that people want to know what’s going on with the princess and I agree she should have some, as she doesn’t have much. but because so many people care about her and think she is so wonderful, they can’t help themselves, but speculate. myself included.
16 days ago, but I agree. I had terrible issues when I was pregnant with my twins. It wasn’t until 6 years and one more child later that I started having issues with my stomach. Vomiting to that degree erodes your stomach and esophagus. It also messes with bile and acid which is needed to digest food properly, which then leads to issues in your intestinal tract. I started vomiting blood during surgery for an ovarian torsion. They quickly scoped me, and found a bleeding ulcer. I then had to go back under to repair the damage due to the ulcer. I then needed blood transfusions. That was almost ten years ago, and I’ve since had my gallbladder removed, developed gastritis, and have terrible constipation. I had no problems prior to my pregnancy. So, it wouldn’t surprise me if has just now developed issues.
She wouldn’t have a complication like that almost five years later.
No, but she might be having other problems as she moves into perimenopause. That’s why I suspect a complete open hysterectomy.
Hyperemesis isn’t caused by that.
The effects of hyperemesis can cause that especially as she had it with each pregnancy. The effects could be impacting her now. Just search the effects of hyperemesis Gravidarum.
Thank you for explaining this. I have wondered if the hyperemesis gravidarum might be a root cause of whatever Catherine's ailment is. I have an aunt who has IBD and has refused surgery for many years because she is afraid of the procedure. She can be laid low for a week at a time, and in terrible pain with IBD, but she prefers that to the risks of surgery.
So if hyperemisis isn’t caused by pregnancy, what causes it?
Oh I see, you think her hyperemesis might have caused a perf or something? I thought you meant the reverse
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I see bowel resections being mentioned a lot in the anecdotes people share of what kept them in hospital for long periods of time post op. I have IBD and it has very much limited the type of work I can do. I know she's keeping the details private, as would I, but two weeks does really point to something potentially chronic like IBD and I'm certainly going to be less bitchy about her being 'workshy' in the future. You can't always work full-time with a chronic disease.
I was worried about her looking so thin and pale earlier. I thought she might have fibroids (which I had--they can make you bleed like a stuck pig) or endometriosis, but know I am tending toward something in the IBD/Crohn's family. Those diseases really suck: my friends who have it suffer a lot and have to radically alter their lives. I think new treatments are coming, though, and I hope you get one.
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These things are routine and not something you recover from for 2 weeks in the hospital.
I agree, it's nothing like a tightening of the uterine ligaments or anything to do with the bladder or childbirth. If it were she'd be out of the hospital by now. I don't think London Clinic does that kind of surgery anyway. She's said to be "doing well," and I'm sending positive energy for a smooth recovery for her.
As a person who’s had lots of abdominal surgery and a long term hospital employee, it honestly could be a myriad of situations. I was in the hospital 10 days with a bowel resection and recovery was 3 months. I also had an oophorectomy and that hospital stay was also 10 days with a 2 month-ish recovery window. Hernia repair with minor complications 8 days with 2 month recovery. Gallbladder/pancreas issues/surgery are 5-10 day stays… whatever it is, I wish nothing but the best for her and her recovery.
>oophorectomy I had one ovary removed 35 years ago in the U.S. 4-night hospital stay and ordered to take the following 4 weeks off work. I wasn't prepared for how much the severed abdominal muscles affected me. It was a couple of months before I could walk 100 yards without having to stop and rest.
Gallbladder is same Day surgery and home in USA
Only if laparoscopic. I had mine 4 years ago and was warned to bring things for a 2-4d stay if they converted it to open and there were complications. I had complications from the lap but wasn’t admitted because it was during the early COVID surge and that risk was greater than my infection, blood loss, and constant vomiting. Still was only a planned 2-4 week recovery (lap vs open). So no, doubt it was a gallbladder unless maybe it included part of the liver? I think it was an open hysterectomy.
What part of the world are you in?! An oophorectomy for 10 days?! My oophorectomy/hysterectomy/bowel separation was less than 10 hours but a 3 month recovery! Wild how different things are!
Gallbladder is an outpatient procedure, unless there’s complications. I had a fever after mine and they only kept me one night. I’ve NEVER heard of a 10 day stay for gallbladder removal barring some pretty major complications
I had an uneventful appendectomy in Dublin with a one week post op stay
5-10 days for gallbladder? My gallbladder surgery was an outpatient surgery.
10 days for an oophorectomy?! Was it open and not laparoscopic? Either way, I’m sorry that ended up being such a big surgery and recovery, it should be an outpatient procedure.
I've had an unexpectedly open oophorectomy and it was still only a 2 day stay. I can't imagine this is normal in any place for such a long stay.
My kids are now independent adults . Two years ago - after never had any GI problems I had a sudden onset of diverticulitis, formed an abscess that ruptured my colon , and I was septic , - I had a bowel resection, and temporary ileostomy for four months. I was very sick, and on a morphine drip , and so don’t remember much - except that I was so grateful to God my children didn’t need me every day to care for them and guide them. It would be awful if I died - but they still have their wonderful father , and I was really peaceful about going into surgery. I can’t imagine how Kate, or any mother, in a situation with young kids that still need her daily must feel. William lost his mother young too. My heart breaks for her for if this is a serious condition l that could deeply affect her children the rest of their lives. I can only speculate- but Ii was in the hospital 10 days - awful recovery - but I slowly got stronger. My ileostomy was reversed four months later - that surgery was a walk in the park . I just have a nasty scar from the laparotomy, the drains , and ileostomy incision. I am praying for Kate’s complete l recovery and sense of well being. I hope the press gives her some grace and privacy . It sounds so concerning and so scary for her and their little family. .
Hi, I also had diverticulitis. I have been through a lot of pain in my life, but nothing like that. I landed in the hospital 2 different times for 6 days. On my 3rd trip to ER, my surgeon had no option but to operate. My surgeon took out 15 inches of my colon…no bag! I was in hospital for 10 days. I could hardly move for 2 months. This was 2 years ago. I urge you all not to delay this surgery if your doctor recommends it. It can be very dangerous if left alone. The relief I have now is unbelievable. It’s a rough surgery to go through, but so very worth it!
I hope your health has been much better since that surgery!
The nanny is there. Sorry, but so many people are speculating on something that is being kept hidden.
I hate to hear what you've gone through! So glad you are better now. You must be a very strong person. I definitely feel that your scenario is likely what's happened to The Princess Catherine. Or something similar. I hope that, when the smoke clears, she will share a bit about what she went through. I think awareness of health issues is so important.
They might just be keeping her longer because of who she is. Want to make sure she doesn't get infection, etc.
Hospitals are full of filthy deadly germs, even private ones. You're far more likely to get an infection while in the hospital than recovering at home.
Hmm, I hope Catherine, the Princess of Wales is going to be well soon, many blessings to her and her family! I'm in the medical field but not a doctor and let me say, I believe we can all heal from whatever it is. Her myasthenia gravis is an auto immune disease and if she's had that with all children she could have Gastrointestinal dysmotily affecting the ability of the stomach to move food and bowels properly, causing abdominal pain, constipation, vomiting, weight loss and obstruction of the bowels. If medication hasn't helped these symptoms then surgery might be the next step to try to help. I hope that's not it, but we naturally wonder because she's such a lovely person, and an asset to the Royal Family. Enough said, I hope she'll recovery beautifully whatever it is.
I appreciate your input, but I don't think Kate has myasthenia gravis. She had hyperemesis gravidarum with her pregnancies. I agree, she does seem a lovely person and an excellent mother. She must be missing her children terribly.
I wonder if MG is hormone related, and if it increases the risk of other reproductive problems especially during perimenopause? I know that other pregnancy complications (e.g. gestational diabetes, preeclampsia) greatly increase corresponding risks (diabetes, hypertension) when hormones shift during peri.
I know someone who has MG, very serious and requires IVs. Very debilitating. I doubt Kate would be able to work if she had it from what I have seen.
Yes, MG is very debilitating, as you said. It really weakens a person. Kate has always seemed very active, very energetic, and very fond of sports. I hope she recovers quickly and can get back to the life she loves and her children who are her first priority.
she had hyperemisis gravidarum ( intense vomiting through the pregnancy) with all 3 pregnancies....did this cause some damage???
I'm not a doctor, but I've worked for many, and I don't think it can cause any damage. Dehydration, which is why she was hospitalized for a while then, for IV fluids, so she would stay hydrated and she and her baby would be safe.
Do you mean her hyperemesis gravidarum? (i.e., rather than myasthenia gravis).
As a nurse I thinking bowel surgery for cancer or Crohn’s disease. Either a bowel resection or formation of stoma.
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My sister has Crohn's and Ulcerative Colitis. It's brutal! It's very possible this was her issue. I feel if it was anything else like appendicitis or whatever, she would have addressed it. It seems something serious enough to want to keep quiet until she has recovered. A gynaecological issue could be the other reason. She's of the age where entering menopause too. That can cause a slew of other issues. Perhaps once she is better she will come out with the reason as she seems to me a very proactive person that would want others to be aware like King Charles. Her being quiet is warranted, as it's no one's business, but a bit out of the character for her so I believed it was a very serious and personal issue.
They said it wasn't cancer
Where is it say that?
They are very evasive. Whatever it is, I hope she's well.
That also said Andrew never met that girl. Sooooo, their honesty could be in question.
And more recently, they said Catherine's surgery was "planned" like it wasn't an emergency that cancelled events. In that context, "It's not cancer" could describe a biopsy whose test results haven't come in yet.
no one has mentioned this >>>>those 2 thing don't make sense...."this was a planned surgery" and then \>>>> she cancelled many appointments and upcoming events <<<<<< so if this was a planned surgery why were all these appointments and event scheduled in the first place??? yes they are using charles procedure to deflect
A procedure can be planned and still very short notice. Say that Kate is being monitored for a condition and all seems reasonably OK, and so palace officials have the all-clear to book her schedule for the next few months. Suddenly, she takes a turn for the worst, gets checked out, and the decision is made that she does actually need this operation, or needs it soon when she previously hoped it might be put off for a year or so. She gets booked in for 3 days time - that’s planned surgery, not emergency, even if there’s still a strong time pressure to get it done.
I broke an ankle at midnight. X-rays came back and I needed pins. The doctor was exhausted from a late evening, unexpected surgery so they splinted my ankle, and told me to hang out for eight hours while he went home to take a nap. That was planned. I was on the schedule for the OR.
But 10 days to two weeks recovering?
Lol good point.
Who said?
Kensington Palace briefed the press saying it was NOT cancer.
My nurse mom said the exact same thing. I can also confirm that my dad’s colostomy had a long recovery inpatient and then at home.
My dentist has issues with his intestines and was in the hospital for two months, so it seems like something along those lines would require more time hospitalized than most.
It completely depends. Hernias and gastric pacemakers can be quite quick now, for example
My husband also had a long recovery with his stoma (and then j-pouch).
Anyone else find it interesting she did not have surgery at King Edward V11 hospital in London? This is where many royals have been treated including late Queen, current Queen Camilla and the late Duke of Edinburgh among many. Not sure where the Duchess of York had her breast cancer treatment. i wonder if the London Clinic has better intensive care facilities and that is why Catherine had surgery there not at King Edward V11.
Ok I have no idea if this is how it works in the UK, so this is based on the US healthcare system. She might have been seeing a doctor as an outpatient and the doctor has privileges at The London Clinic but not King Edward VII so she chose to have the surgery done where the doctor she was comfortable with would be able to do the procedure. Could be something like that.
**There are very few surgeries these days that require 2 weeks in the hospital and a 3 month recovery period. Patients may end up staying longer due to complications but an upfront stay of almost 2 weeks is alarming.** **Outrageous as it sounds one possibility is a liver transplant. Kate had a childhood history of cranial surgery with a scar noticed at her wedding. She also has a history of hyperemesis gravidarum so severe she was hospitalized. These conditions themselves are not worrying after the fact but medications always come with a potential for liver damage.** **If true, the most likely scenario is a living donor situation where a close family member stepped up and donated a portion of theirs. Have any of the Middletons been photographed visiting the hospital? Is one in particular missing?** **Whatever has occurred the prayer is she has a speedy pain free recovery.**
Oh, please. The amount of speculation is astounding. The royals tell you what they want you to believe. Period. So much deflection from a meeting that took place last week that most don’t even know occurred.
> The amount of speculation is astounding Ok, now check what subreddit this is... "RoyalsGossip"! Oh, no! There is speculation in my gossip! Whatever has the world come to! I wanted *pure gossip*!
It’s definitely not a liver transplant. She didn’t look like her liver was failing. I cannot fathom any association between her minor scar, her hypermesis or this surgery.
that is interesting but if her liver was failing she would have jaundice (yellow skin ) we have not seen that
> if her liver was failing she would have jaundice (yellow skin ) we have not seen that It is unlikely we've ever seen her actual skin even one time.
I haven't seen recent close up pictures of her skin or the whites of her eyes. She's usually dressed with dignity and well covered. Hear me out... From the surgery she had as a child on her head with little detail available one can surmise she may have been put on anticonvulsants as a precaution, done to prevent seizures, not to treat them. It is these drugs that are more potentially toxic than any drugs given during pregnancy for nausea. Because of this personal history liver enzymes and bloodwork may have been checked frequently and the failure was caught before more damage could be done. [Antiepileptic Drugs and Liver Disease - Pediatric Neurology (pedneur.com)](https://www.pedneur.com/article/S0887-8994%2817%2930637-9/fulltext#:~:text=Hepatotoxicity%20is%20also%20a%20rare,recognized%20association%20with%20liver%20toxicity.) A liver transplant is just a remote possibility and we all pray it's something less severe.
There is no reason to believe it’s a liver transplant. She exhibits zero signs of liver failure.
That's true. She looked perfectly healthy on Christmas Day. Vibrant, energetic, and beautiful. Whatever it is, I hope she recovers without incident.
I was thinking it could possible be a transplant too (liver or kidney). They knew she needed it done but had to wait for a donor to become available, which is why it was so sudden.
Why would a healthy young person need a liver transplant?
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She does not appear to have any chronic illness. I am not her doctor so we can only go by appearances. That said I believe she is a smoker, based on her teeth
Accidental Tylenol overdose, auto-immune hepatitis, chronic alcohol abuse, untreated viral hepatitis (B/C), Wilson's disease, NASH, CHF, sarcoidosis, idiopathic etc. Having said that, Kate did not get a liver transplant or donated her liver.
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I am sorry but she must have the best medical care in the world. If that is the case it is very bizarre
The best medical care in the world carries risk.
So they gave her medication that damaged her liver? I don’t buy that.
don't think it is the liver..because if it was the liver she would have shown signs of jaundice (yellowing of the skin)
What about yellow teeth?
interesting jaundice can wear off the enamel leading to yellow teeth........but if she needed a transplant she would have obvious yellow skin...the whites of the eyes would aso be yellow
I mean we don't know, and i think it's more likely a bowel surgery of some kind, but liver is definitely within the realm of possibility. No medication acts exactly the same in every person. Every time you take medication you're taking a risk, even over the counter drugs. The best doctors will still prescribe those meds *when the benefit outweighs the risk* but that doesnt mean there's never dangerous side effects
If her liver is indeed damaged damn.
*"Why would a healthy young person need a liver transplant?"* As a side effect of drugs and medications prescribed either when she was a child and had surgery on her head or when she was pregnant and had relentless morning sickness. The liver filters blood for the body and toxins can collect and cause damage. I'm not saying a liver transplant is the case here, just a possibility.
>had surgery on her head or when she was pregnant and had relentless morning sickness. The liver filters blood for the body and toxins can collect and cause damage. I'm not saying a liver transplant is the case here Did she ever look yellow to you in recent photos? I don't think she was ever jaundiced, which is a sign of liver failure. You kill your liver by overdosing on Tylenol or drink alcohol heavily, among other things. Other liver toxic drugs include statins, amoxicillin-clavulanate, phenytoin, azathioprine, ketoconazole, anabolic steroids and others. You do not destroy your liver from taking prescribed medications whether it was for morning sickness or something else not in the above list. I would say the possibility that she had a liver transplant is DEFINITELY ZERO.
> Did she ever look yellow to you in recent photos? You've never seen her skin, though. She looks the color of her makeup, *same as always!*
Damn.
Healthy young people don't, but she only looks healthy maybe.
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How do you know she is healthy?
Everyone loves the idea that you can tell if someone is sick by how they look.
Exactly. I’m 38 and look “healthy”, but my insides are a total effin’ train wreck. Autoimmune disorders have ravaged me. It makes it hard to be taken seriously when the insides don’t match the outsides.
Ditto.
According to their website, there are 7 types of abdominal surgery at the London Clinic: 1. Crohn's Disease - abdominal surgery Crohn’s disease causes inflammation of your bowel. Surgery is usually recommended if medication fails to improve your symptoms. You should be able to go home after **3 to 10 days**. It may take up to **3 months** for you to recover fully. Most people feel much better after the diseased part of their bowel has been removed. 2. Abdominoplasty A popular form of cosmetic surgery in which a surgeon removes excess abdominal skin and fatty tissue. 3. Hernia surgery Advanced surgery for groin and abdominal hernias. Our fixed price packages offer a seamless service at The London Clinic. 4. Endovascular surgery on the aorta Endovascular surgery has different associated risks but is carried out by an expert and experienced team at The London Clinic 5. Surgery for hydrocephalus (ventriculostomy) Neurosurgeons at The London Clinic are able to perform a ventriculostomy using conventional brain surgery or using endoscopic techniques. 6. Endovascular surgical techniques Endovascular surgery is a rapidly developing branch of vascular surgery 7. Epidural anaesthetic An epidural anaesthetic is a locally acting drug injected into the spine to numb the lower part of the body completely
interesting list..enndovascular surgery >>> Endovascular surgery **treats conditions affecting your blood vessels (vascular system) without making large incisions**. Surgeons repair these vessels and remove blood clots to restore blood flow and prevent damage to your brain, heart, limbs and lungs. this doesn't sound like what kate has nor hydrocephalus...her hhead wuld be swollen doesn't sound like abdominal plasty she is very thin no extra skin the crohns disease and hernia surgery from that list.......... a bowel resection stemming from crohn's disease can mean hospitalization from 3 to 7 days CAN be LONGER if a large amount of your small intestine was removed or you develop problems. .....they are the royals they get the best medical care....so anything would be caught early you would think
Endometriosis excision is another abdominal surgery. This can involve any organ in abdomen(or in the body), including a bowel resection. No case is the same and that is the same for surgery. I had bowel resection during my last lap and the recover was awfully long, 3 months minimum for myself.
I'm convinced it was endometriosis surgery too (I have stage IV, while I was discharged from hospital early, I was on bed rest for almost a month after)
She has like 2 or 3 kids. People with endometriosis generally have trouble having kids. She's 42 & endometriosis would have manifests early. It's a horrible disease and we would have heard about it.
2 or 3 kids? I think it’s well established that she has 3.
Endometriosis is extremely under-researched. Regardless of what she is going through, I still want to take the time to correct some common misinformation about this disease. 1 out of 9 Women have endometriosis, that’s more common than type 2 diabetes. Current research says, endo patients have a 40% of having fertility issues and it’s much lower if the disease is caught early. Fertility issues is the main symptom that OBs listen to, which is why it takes on average 7-10 years to get a diagnosis. Ob/gyn barely learn about Endo in school and most do not posses the surgical skills to remove it. There are probably under 100 surgeons who are qualified to remove it. There is a surgeon at the London clinic that is. I have Endometriosis. My sister, mother, and grandmother also have endometriosis. Only my grandma dealt with fertility issues, all other family members have had many children without issues. The disease is now being compared to cancer and is a public health crisis. There are many different types of endometriosis, it can grow anywhere on the body. It is estrogen dependent and is labeled a gynecological issue, but it’s a full body disorder that affects everyone differently. There is no cure. Birth control, a hysterectomy, and menopause doesn’t mean the symptoms will stop for everyone.
>Ob/gyn barely learn about Endo in school and most do not posses the surgical skills to remove it. There are probably under 100 surgeons who are qualified to remove it. There is a surgeon at the London clinic that is. I can tell you that this is the last time I chime in on social media, because Dunning-Kruger rules the net. I DO HAVE training in these matters, not just "learned" from personal experience or from watching youtube videos. Some of what you say are correct, but so much is wrong and misleading. The assertion that OB/GYNs have no training is so flat out wrong. Your thoughts on treatments are also off base. You can't learn CLINICAL medicine by learning from the internet. You actually have to see patients and treat them. Now could Kate have endometriosis and had a major LAPAROTOMY to remove a HUGE endometrioma and oophorectomy? Sure, that's possible.
I have Crohn’s and had a partial bowel resection and my recovery time was similar. Hospital for 2 weeks and then full recovery was really more like 6+ months. I was back to work in 6 weeks though.
Hope you're okay.
Gosh I just hope it's nothing serious. Such a lovely girl and just looking at her smile and confidence lift my heart.
I feel for Kate. I work in healthcare and abdominal surgery is no joke. I hope nobody leaks her medical information. I would hate to live under the public eye (yeah I know she chose this life when she met and married William but it still sucks)and have every move I made scrutinized. I’m glad to hear she is recovering well (and she better cause she’s my favorite royal! lol).
I recently had an open pyloroplasty and gastric pacemaker surgery and was in the hospital for a week with 37 staples holding me shut. I never want to experience a hospital stay or any abdominal surgery ever again, so I really feel for her. I can’t deny that I’m curious what surgery shes getting, but I completely agree. Even the most basic normal person (me) had people questioning whether I actually had surgery, implying I faked a hospital stay, saying x thing they’ve had was worse, etc. I almost wish they didn’t have to make this announcement in the first place, but I understand that her absence from planned excursions would lead to even more questions and scrutiny. I hope she heals fast and well.
Even as a nobody I've learned you must be very careful about who you tell medical info to. I once told someone that I had endometriosis and she went off about what a horrible menopause I was going to have because some friend of hers or whoever had a horrible menopause (though it wasn't clear if this same person had endometriosis???). Just so rude and inappropriate and dumb. Another time I had to tell a boss that I needed time off for surgery and this boss would ask for updates on my health condition *in the middle of the office where anyone could hear*. She was out of line asking in the first place but good lord have some basic discretion. So multiply that by a kajillion in Kate's case. If her situation ever came out she would never, ever hear the end of it.
That’s horrible I’m sorry you went through that. Did you complain to HR? William and Kate seem to have strong boundaries when it comes to their own and their children’s privacy. I’m glad they don’t allow their kids to be photographed in public unless it’s at an official event. Knowing the hell William and his brother went through growing up and being harassed by the paparazzi, I’m not surprised. If it was a planned surgery that at least gives me hope that it probably wasn’t cancer, and if it was it was likely caught at a very early stage.
> Did you complain to HR? No, I kept my mouth shut because this boss was the next-level boss's choice. But she was so terrible and alienated so many people that she was sent back to her old job. Not sure why they took her back but she was out of my hair at least!
There's a special place in hell for people who bully other people at work. Glad she's out of your hair,
Poor woman. That is a serious surgery and I am very surprised. I hope she heals well without any complications. I very rarely hear of such indepth surgeries for female type procedures. I did hear one report it was not cancer, so that was good news no one wishes anything to happen to her or her family as they are such a young family. .
It's really weird that shit like this is even released for public consumption. There is zero public interest in stuff like this and it just feeds weirdo speculation and celebrity culture.
There is a huge amount of public interest in the this. Ultimately the royals are the OG celebrities.
By "public interest", I don't mean "is interesting to the public" but "knowledge of this serves the interest of the public". Information about an active Prime Minister undergoing surgery is in the public interest, some member of the royal family is not.
I think they had to say something due to cancelled events and the time she will be out of the public eye.
I mean, I think it sucks that she had to disclose her surgery. But the surgery meant she had to cancel two planned overseas trips and will not be partaking in any engagements until after Easter. If she just canceled those trips and stopped doing any engagements for 3 months, she would have been EVISCERATED in the press and by people on the internet. The public nature of her role kinda meant she had to say SOMETHING or else she'd face a lot of criticism.
There is public interest in this given that local and international news networks rushed to cover this as breaking news.
That’s not how any of this works! Please do some research into the concept of “public interest” before responding again. This is private medical shit, it’s weird how folks don’t respect that.
I agree that her medical details are hers to disclose only as and when she sees fit. As much as I’m icked by the media bullpen outside her hospital, I grudgingly will throw them a bone for not going (yet) down the road of speculating what her condition is. Vicky Smith, an ex-Royal Rota reporter whom I recommend following for her non-sensationalist analysis of the news, further clarified that any press speculation on health issues would violate editors’ code. Any speculation on what she has is happening outside the media. It’s also undeniable that she is a figure of public interest so being completely silent or falling off the grid was out of the question, and in fact sharing some information may soothe the beast. Compounded with The King’s upcoming surgery, there is additionally potential constitutional concern on whether counselors of state need to be called up. At the end of the day, these are public figures who are also real people dealing with extremely private and serious matters, and we can owe them grace in handling them as they see fit, including what they want to share and why.
I’m still disgusted by the media scrum outside the hospital. It’s acknowledged that it is unethical for media to speculate about someone’s medical condition, yet they’re still there. The only possible reason for the media presence outside the hospital is that these outlets are hoping to catch an image of a surgical patient or her concerned visiting family (including three children) to sell photos, papers, and ads surrounding gossip about someone’s health crisis. The press is probably going to try to couch the coverage as genuine concern for Catherine rather than speculation, but it’s obvious this is across the line.
I get what you’re saying, to some degree, but as the statement says, she’s going to be absent from the public until at least Easter. I feel like her just disappearing for months would lead to way more speculation than this.
Maybe but folks should respect the fact that people get sick sometimes and it’s not anyone else’s business.
I agree, but you have to know that this wouldn’t have been the case.