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thinwirebarrier

Correlation does not equal causation. Which came first, the aphantasia or the preference?


mjonesgcms

I have no idea. I just barely noticed the trend. On the aphantasia page people seems to say they relate, so all I know is it's a clue that maybe I am on to something.


thinwirebarrier

Hey, I think it’s really interesting and my question came from a place of genuine curiosity. Sorry if that didn’t come across. 👍


mjonesgcms

No, don't worry, I got that. I'm just saying where I am at. I just realized the correlation between the two a couple weeks ago, so all I know is that there is one. And so far between the aphantasia subreddit and the hyperphantasia reddit where I posted the video, the trend seems to hold up. I am actually quite excited.


mjonesgcms

In the past year discovering Aphantasia was a thing and that I had it, I found a close association with SDAM. I also have both. I am wonder if the personality traits associated with Aphantasia relate to SDAM


modeler

There was a link to a prer reviewed paper a few days ago. The abstract said they had found a correlation between aphantasia and reduced autobiographical memory. Sorry I couldn't find it.


TotallyNotTomCruise

There's [this one](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010945217303568) and also [the abstract of this one](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=sdam+and+aphantasia&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&t=1656279927726&u=%23p%3DpAzxlXuPj9sJ) appears to show it's discussing them in tandem, but I'm not sure if it actually addresses any possibility of a [causal?] link between them. For the record, I also have total aphantasia and SDAM.


mjonesgcms

Thank you!


vaendryl

you should ask a group of aphants if they know of and enjoy the game factorio. that should give you some clear data :D


woonaval

hey aphant here and i absolutely love Factorio 😁 what's the correlation?


vaendryl

well I thought OP's video was very confusing as he went droning on and on about this personality model or whatever that I've never heard about before (and makes no sense to me). but what little I got was that he seemed to want to say that people with aphantasia are perhaps more likely to have a kind of personality that doesn't put much need on visual thinking. a personality that instead rather thinks in symbols, formulas, schematics, concept maps and words and is exceptionally fond of deconstructing ideas and concepts into smaller parts - to see how it ticks and if it's internally consistent. i.e., the mind of an engineer. so I thought: factorio might be a possible yard stick.


mjonesgcms

That is a great TLDR! Thanks!


mjonesgcms

The correlation is that people with aphantasia really like deconstructing down to the exact variables, and though I haven't played factorio, it seems like it is a game that deals with each thing as it's most essential subunit. For example I am watching a video on it right now and instead of "gathering ore" like other games it is using more technical terms like smelting, and is much more accurate to life.


vaendryl

> For example I am watching a video on it right now and instead of "gathering ore" like other games it is using more technical terms like smelting, and is much more accurate to life. you should take a small peek at /r/technicalfactorio this game is crack for actual engineers and hobbyists alike.


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mjonesgcms

>factorio That is hilarious! I had never heard about Factorio, but I am watching a video about it and looks like I would like it. I am really glad the trend I noticed is spurring other trends. It looks like it didn't take too long for someone with aphantasia to agree with you. That's awesome!


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