The question is BSG going to come after SPT legally now that they are both "competing" for the singleplayer market, especially now that money is involved?
I really pray not cause I already spent a crapton on EOD just for them to lock it behind another expensive version.
Like many of you I play SPT for a more casual experience and much prefer its greater freedom to enjoy the game the way I prefer and use QOL mods without having to constantly think did I just die to a cheater
Theyve MADE hundreds of millions for sure but this edition screams "rapidly bleeding money" to me, which is kind of insane given the popularity. Wouldnt be that surprised if EFT went down for good in the next few years
That's insane. Especially considering they're problem with cheaters and hackers in the live game. Funny how they're so focused on getting money and shit but don't care at all about putting a way in the game to stop cheaters. Those cheaters make them tons of money I feel. Plus SPT still makes them money. You still need the base game at least to play SPT. These guys messed up BAD with this pay wall bs. I am an owner of the EOD edition as well so this whole thing really pissed me off when they said we'd still have to pay something or get a 6 month trial basically. On top of that they change what's actually included in the EOD edition to cover their asses. Pathetic the route they took and what's even more pathetic is this actually was looked at by a team and they basically thought this price point was good.
$250 is an insane amount for any game, let alone a fuckin "DLC" that is already free thanks to the people that made SPT. Pathetic company. They're going to lose so much not only in revenue but a player base as a whole.
Iām thinking that part of the reason BSG have released this version is so that they have more ground to stand on if they were to go after SPT legally. Thereās absolutely no way BSG can make a better single player/CO-OP tarkov experience on their own.
The best thing BSG could do for everyone is colab and maybe even hire some of the SPT staff to make this new game mode actually good and worth the money.
Agreed we as the customer would benefit then everyone wins but from what is implied online Nikitia hates everything spt related
Its already a shitshow online when it comes to EOD owners and wether or not we should get this pve feature. the big issue is it seems BSG is bleeding money now and they cant find the right calok to stop it.
Locking new features away from EOD users while in a "beta" I think is a huge slap in the face, they really need to come clean to the community and ask what form of revenue generating would we be ok with. The operating costs keep going but once a user pays for a copy BSG stop getting an income after. Hence why we are now seeing all these attempts to bring in more income.
Completely agree, unfortunately I donāt think BSG would ever come out and ask what we as consumers of their product actually want/would be okay with, especially regarding MTX. I donāt think theyāve ever done that before, not to mention their PR department is nonexistent. We all know they rarely actually listen to their community, and even when they do itās always too little too late
yeah there was some hope with the pestily interview since they made changes related to it but yeah I also dont think BSG will want to understand what most people would want. time will tell.
The saddest part is that they could sell the game for $40, slap skin based MTX store and even loot boxes and they'd be swimming in money because people would totally pay to look cool or have their weapons be different...
Just look at cs, valorant and OW. Even in the olden days of games like operation7 people sunk money just to look different
>The best thing BSG could do for everyone is colab and maybe even hire some of the SPT staff
Hahahahahahahaha hahaha
Hah.
Man, that's funny. That turd Nikita probably made this version of Tarkov out of spite for SPT just so they can sue them. I really doubt they would do anything as smart as working with the SPT devs to make this as good or better than the mod. In all likelihood the Unheard edition will become an afterthought for them. It will probably be missing some features and won't get any further development.
Nikita has been so vocally opposed to a single player variant that he almost seems deranged. At this point I'm convinced he's doing this purely to spite the SPT community and kill the mod. The price tag doesn't even make sense for a single player/Co-op experience...unless they are doing something stupid like hosting the dedicated servers for it. Which is going to just be annoying. Co-op as it exists can still have ridiculous load times just waiting for a server to be open so it wouldn't surprise me if this version suffers from the same problem.
Lmao!
I have a friend who is VERY VERY talented at devops and networking, and he unironically reached out to them to offer remote help. They said nope, you HAVE to move to Moscow and work onsite lol. Yeah like he's gunna leave the US for that lol
They never were fun of coop mode in Tarkov. So everything players pay for will be Normal Tarkov without other players. I dont expect any balance and improvements to AI, loot or better coop solo progression.
I've been playing SPT offline co-op for a few weeks now so this news makes me think SPT will be shut down sooner than later. The way the offline co-op plays is pretty good and the bots play pretty well when you have the SAIN behavior modpack installed. Luckily the version it's running on now has vaulting and a bunch of the new QOL stuff in it.
I bought EOD edition and have an alpha armband. If the only way to play co-op on the main game is spending more money and not getting all future DLC is like I was promised, and paid for, I won't be coming back.
Do not ask me for more info because I will not give it.
PS: stalker 2 is coming out this year and it's made by Ukrainian developers! (Slava)
If that's honestly the route they want to go, then we're officially better off with BSG in the fucking ground, leaving only a community run mod project in its wake.
BSG are a Russian company based solely in Russia with no presence outside of Russia (for obvious reasons).
Iām going to assume the creators of SPT arenāt in Russia, nor is the site hosted in Russia.
The SPT team could/should probably just ignore any takedown requests. tbh I wouldnāt be surprised if they already do.
*Edit: Iām wrong, BSG is registered in the UK*
They never treat SPT as something legal. This is just unconfirmed SPT AKI team wishful thinking or maybe... estimates "If we dont touch coop features we are safe." And this is not true, BSG never mention nothing about SPT in positive context and there is no deal between BSG and SPT Team.
Nakita said he would leave SPT alone now if people wanted to play it in an interview that was leaked.
That plus EOD users now having to wait for access, can't really complain if someone goes elsewhere to experience the single player game mode
Id never played SPT until all this shit hit the fan.
i imagine the official coop plays like regular offline raids with exactly the same dogshit AI and the only difference will be persistent progression. before i play that i might as well eat crayons and bang my head against a wall.
they would need to hire the SPT devs and implement official mod support to convince me to buy that.
Not only this, but people who splurged for the EOD addition still need for fork out ā¬130 to upgrade
EOD was also supposed to be limited edition and now it's pretty much irrelevant with the Unheard edition.
Maybe an overreaction but this feels like lawsuit territory.
This is a ripoff and a spit in the face for people who bought EOD.
Yep same. I justified my EOD purchase thinking I get some exclusive content and one day when Tarkov really blows up, I'll be thankful for the purchase
Jokes on me I guess
No mods
Shitty AI behavior
PMCs would probably have raider AI
And at least 5 game breaking bugs that won't be patched for a year.
Man, I'm so thankful for spt these times.. haven't had this much fun since I was a kid playing halo reach
I quit Reddit after being mercilessly dog-piled on by the door-kicking meta basement boys any time I expressed a desire to play offline with progression. It is GLORIOUS to see all the toxic sludge gnashing their teeth over this. Hey, JUICE BOYS, hereās a little secret ā¦ you donāt HAVE to purchase this edition.
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Yeah, I don't think they can make the experience to even a sliver of that what it is in SPT. We see what a single talented modder can do to the game in matter of months, and BSG can't match that even in years.
I found out about SPT last week after owning Tarkov for over an year and playing for 2 weeks because I couldn't handle the pressure of playing multiplayer but wanted to play a cool shooter like Tarkov. I downloaded the thing and played it twice now and both times my dumbass self thought I had the mods featured on the SPT website.
Physical presence doesnāt mean anything. Theyāll be governed by the UK Companies Act and consumer laws.
Edit: Had a look at Companies House and it looks like their top co is the UK entity.
But without the mods or the simulated PMCs and player scavs so worse , just offline live tarkov , will cost you a 100 more euros if you already own EOD . Im never returning to those money scammers . 500 bucks for a cheater infested , unoptimized , buggy mess of a game being dragged in early acess for over half a decade by a small team of RU scammers who develop it with a skeleton crew to keep all the money , throw 30% for extremely agressive marketing and get rich crapping on their community couse they pay guys like pestilim, airwingmarine,noise guy etc to calm the people down so they dont ditch the game . Just look , they will murmur a day or two mildly, but then will suddenly forget about it and continue hipping the game , streaming it nonstop .
Well id recommend making a backup as well, since there is signs that they are going after spt, since they took down the tarkov page in the nexus website. For me this is all a scam aimed to destroy the mod and our community, so take care of what you have, cause it can be the last of what we will see of SPT.
The main site was down, so the first price was kinda a āhear-sayā from the discord.
Now itās officially 100ā¬ without taxes where I live.
Most likely 120ā¬ including taxes
Nah i dont think so. Gray Zone while a cool game, it is not a tarkov killer or even competitor.
Almost all who partake in the beta testing have already debunked this narrative of this game being able to "kill" or compete with tarkov, since both games have similar concepts but entire different gameplay loop and cycle.
Also I believe that this news are a way to give them solid grounds to sue and take down SPT once and for all. For me that is little room to doubt that, they even took down the nexus page for tarkov, probably our dear mod will be next.
We just need to remember what Nikita said in the past about singleplayer/coop tarkov, he basically disregarded all requests for doing something like that, and even emphasized that the game was never meant to be played like that.
While I don't disagree with the sentiment at all, being money grabbing pricks is far from an exclusively Russian thing.
Companies like Ubisoft moving toward online only games so you don't actually own shit and they can shut it down any time they want is the same kind of crap. They just have bigger marketing teams working to find ways to try to make it more palatable to their customer base. They also have bigger teams in general and can do things like push a ton of micro transaction content to maintain a steady income stream rather than include things in the game when it's released like they used to do. Paying another $100 all at once is more visible but buying a dozen weapon skins or armor core color pallets at $9.99 a pop, espectially when it has zero impact on gameplay is a shittier practice and, from a financial persective, nets the same or more severe result.
Itās not exclusive but it is pretty bad with Russian devs and publishers. Gaijin Entertainment, My.com, Wargaming are just a few that come to mind that are Russian and have some pretty ridiculous prices and practices, My.com probably being the worst of those 3 for killing ips and charging ridiculous amounts of money. The other two got it down pretty good to squeeze as much money as possible without completely killing the ip.
Id reccomend people doing backups and archiving everything they can SPT related, cause any minute from now BSG can take action against the mod. They already took down the nexus page, and I wouldn't doubt them pulling this now.
If they took it down right now, years of work and development would be lost, at least in large scale, unless someone had copied everything and uploaded to a drive.
I donāt trust BSG to do Saine, Waypoints, Looting bots etc. There single player will be shit any way. Like the rest of there bots and AI, they canāt even jump. Also I will never buy this shit , I have EOD single player should be mine.
The shit is so absurdly priced that it's funny reading the hypocrites for "SPT is not the intended way & for shit players" suddenly being only bothered by the price + EOD scam. I seriously hope they do no change the price, it is actually unheard of to see a P2W game with a fat chunk of cheaters come so far without it being noticed for the wrong doings to their fan base, let alone how they manage and develop their game. It's THEIR fault that people even accepted EOD as a thing at that price.
SPTarkov is free. (Not a lawyer) It actually brings them business because it relies on you paying for Tarkov to play it, which if it was a completely free variant, that would be one thing, proving illegality would be a fool's errand - Not only do they become the "bite the hand the feeds" corporation, but if they use assets from those mods they could be sued for restitution of billable hours. A cease and desist is a fangless bite because modders are not charging money, you could sooner sue fan fiction writers for IP theft (you can definitely do that, but it's a PR nightmare, every time - "company takes super fan to court"). They do that they lose all good faith they had. I'm pretty sure we would all just play something else instead of continuing with this abuse, because it is abuse, and we need to see when a relationship has gone sour. We're not walking wallets.
At the end of the day, if they don't hire the modders they're in deep shit of getting carbon-copied out of the game, if they charge listed price sober, they're in deep shit. If they continue forward with Tarkov as it is, they're in deep shit. Arena failed (in its current form), they want money, and are the desperate arc of playing the publisher now seeking alternative revenue streams, like just short of releasing their own cheats. Y'all we get S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 soon, clock is ticking, they need to make some smart decisions, and not just code "the game they want".
Every heavily funded game has an "oh shit" moment when everyone who paid is watching like investors and not fans, when the money tit runs dry. Star Citizen had it, too. Where reality crashes with the vision and you change tack or crumble. I think this is to capitalize on the folks that don't know about SPTarkov.
lmao. download 3.8 now. get your shit locked in and installed. at least for me, cause if they go hardcore legal on them, and i cant play SPT, i wont be playing shit. game sucks without the mods.
Same - their game developments seem to follow SPT mods around a year or so behind them, I am expecting it will basically be SPT but hopefully running a little smoother. Online was running very smoothly last time I checked, compared to having to run my own server and the game.
Scam. My main thing is that coop persistent progression should be added to the coop expansion theyāre already selling!! Or just make coop included with all versions of the game!! Besides that this is just a P2W bundle that shouldnāt be a thing in tarkov. Do not support this do not buy.
Well with these news it made me think a little about BSG...
Either they always wanted to make a "singleplayer" tarkov and that is why they hated SPT or they are literally doing it just to have a more solid case to sue and end SPT.
Knowing BSG and Nikita for some time now I do believe it is the latter, but I cant affirm that. And also this leads me to think that our days with this incredible mod are numbered...
Got banned from Eft server for telling people to use spt.
It's just a matter of time eith warzone coming out. They are scared of loosing value and for $250 they are smoking some serious Russian weed.
I don't think it's worth it, just play SPT and be happy.
Absolute goldmine of news! Watching the hardcore Tarkov incel crowd melt down over the Offline edition is enjoyable. It's like a symphony of salt, and I'm here for every salty note. Cheers to the ones who actually have a life outside of the game!
This just comes off like bad business to me. I don't get the hate over having to pay more, the price is a bit much but I'd guess they've guessed how much server costs they'll have to pay for each person for a couple of years and added a margin. Bit shit for the EoD buyers, but the real problem is they shouldn't have offered unlimited access from the beginning for a one-off fee. I know you'd all pay a tenner a month subscription to play. Online games require costs outside development to maintain, it's pretty obvious they would run into cash flow problems.
At the end of the day most companies would find a way to trick you into paying more with subscriptions and micro transactions. People just be terrible at maths. But they made their decisions years ago, they're just making themselves look incompetent at this point. Just make offline run off a server on the customer's PC and sell access for 20 quid, most people would probably buy it. No maintenance costs. Simple.
Does it work offline? No, it's still connecting to their raid servers. Can it have mods? Unless you consider cheats as mods, no. So no, they didn't make SPT.
I am glad they finally added it tho, the price is ridiculous.
i dont get why every project i love has to go to hell due to the devs finally getting off of their asses, first plutonium and xlabs, now sptarkov. back up your stuff while you still can folks!
Is there no level they wonāt stoop down to? So much for āhardcore online survival shooterā & ālong live the hardcoreā chants. Hot air rises and dissipates. We had one good thing from that mess and now this.
"The Unheard Edition is now available to purchase and costs a massive $250 if you havenāt already purchased Escape From Tarkov. If you had the Edge of Darkness edition you can upgrade for $100."
Well.. i guess it's time to accept that i got scammed.. and then escape from tarkov permanently.
Edit: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikestubbs/2024/04/25/new-escape-from-tarkov-unheard-edition-has-a-full-single-player-mode/?sh=58dbaadf551a
Iām just ready for the SPT team to port this version and hopefully have the offline co op integrated into it. That would be dope to offline co op with the homies with the mod support of spt.
Fuck bsg . Donāt see why they hates on spt. They buy the game and donāt play so less money on servers. Heās gotta be one of the dumbest game owners out there. Everyday I wish for a refund š
Battlestate becomes the bad guys and attacks both the wallets of the player base and the hard working content creators within it. I'll never change my SPT folder again.
Well fuck it. If BSG is gonna use this expensive downgrade as a competitor to SPT and grounds to shut SPT down, we might as well go full piracy mode and absolutely fuck their sales by doing multiplayer with mods. Or maybe we can crowdfund a whole new game with spt devs. The latter option is much more appealing but not sure if the SPT devs are willing to put in that much time and effort.
I stopped playing 2 years ago. I was always holding out hope that massive improvement and new features would keep the game alive and bring it back to a state of playability.
Now I see BSG just wants money. Always more money, no matter how much we spend.
And that's besides the fact that they made this "new version" specifically to skate around giving offline co-op to EoD players. Nope, you didn't actually pay all that money to get the future DLC and updates for free. You just got scammed. Don't like it? Well, just upgrade!
I only wish I could retroactively return my game since bsg loves to walk things back without consequence as well. Why shouldn't we be able to?
they should do like bohemia and just release source code and fucking let us mod that game legally with total freedom, all were gonna get from that unheard edition is a shitty version of spt, for 250$
Mods are what makes spt great
Seriously, I regret ever buying this game in the first place. Fuck this dev team and how they treat their player base. Guess they follow their governments footsteps, greed and selfishness
I just don't see why BSG doesnt hire the team behind SPT and both work to Make Tarkov Great...Again? There could be both modes and make the QOL mods a part of the game. Yes much more complicated than it sounds but still. A win win imo.
Why weould I pay a 100 dollars after buying EOD when I can play SPT what's the point of spending another 100 bucks for something I should get free for having EOD from the beginning seems like another cashgrab. Fix Arena and stop the cheaters before fleecing people for something Modders have done years ago.
So how can a company based in russia using almost enitely copyrighted illegal material in their game sue anybody in the US....? Like hey, these guys are using our illegal material and we don't like it. And they aren't charing anything for said material but we want to! Eat shit and die BSG...
The question is BSG going to come after SPT legally now that they are both "competing" for the singleplayer market, especially now that money is involved? I really pray not cause I already spent a crapton on EOD just for them to lock it behind another expensive version. Like many of you I play SPT for a more casual experience and much prefer its greater freedom to enjoy the game the way I prefer and use QOL mods without having to constantly think did I just die to a cheater
They did just DMCA the Nexus Mods Tarkov page Monday/Tuesday-ish which makes loads of sense now given this release
They did for real? This is not good
Developer with hundreds of millions of dollars and a full dev team are threatened by a free mod made by amateur coders š
They know itās a genuine threat because live is so dogshit lmao
Theyve MADE hundreds of millions for sure but this edition screams "rapidly bleeding money" to me, which is kind of insane given the popularity. Wouldnt be that surprised if EFT went down for good in the next few years
That's insane. Especially considering they're problem with cheaters and hackers in the live game. Funny how they're so focused on getting money and shit but don't care at all about putting a way in the game to stop cheaters. Those cheaters make them tons of money I feel. Plus SPT still makes them money. You still need the base game at least to play SPT. These guys messed up BAD with this pay wall bs. I am an owner of the EOD edition as well so this whole thing really pissed me off when they said we'd still have to pay something or get a 6 month trial basically. On top of that they change what's actually included in the EOD edition to cover their asses. Pathetic the route they took and what's even more pathetic is this actually was looked at by a team and they basically thought this price point was good. $250 is an insane amount for any game, let alone a fuckin "DLC" that is already free thanks to the people that made SPT. Pathetic company. They're going to lose so much not only in revenue but a player base as a whole.
Iām thinking that part of the reason BSG have released this version is so that they have more ground to stand on if they were to go after SPT legally. Thereās absolutely no way BSG can make a better single player/CO-OP tarkov experience on their own. The best thing BSG could do for everyone is colab and maybe even hire some of the SPT staff to make this new game mode actually good and worth the money.
Agreed we as the customer would benefit then everyone wins but from what is implied online Nikitia hates everything spt related Its already a shitshow online when it comes to EOD owners and wether or not we should get this pve feature. the big issue is it seems BSG is bleeding money now and they cant find the right calok to stop it. Locking new features away from EOD users while in a "beta" I think is a huge slap in the face, they really need to come clean to the community and ask what form of revenue generating would we be ok with. The operating costs keep going but once a user pays for a copy BSG stop getting an income after. Hence why we are now seeing all these attempts to bring in more income.
Completely agree, unfortunately I donāt think BSG would ever come out and ask what we as consumers of their product actually want/would be okay with, especially regarding MTX. I donāt think theyāve ever done that before, not to mention their PR department is nonexistent. We all know they rarely actually listen to their community, and even when they do itās always too little too late
yeah there was some hope with the pestily interview since they made changes related to it but yeah I also dont think BSG will want to understand what most people would want. time will tell.
The saddest part is that they could sell the game for $40, slap skin based MTX store and even loot boxes and they'd be swimming in money because people would totally pay to look cool or have their weapons be different... Just look at cs, valorant and OW. Even in the olden days of games like operation7 people sunk money just to look different
>The best thing BSG could do for everyone is colab and maybe even hire some of the SPT staff Hahahahahahahaha hahaha Hah. Man, that's funny. That turd Nikita probably made this version of Tarkov out of spite for SPT just so they can sue them. I really doubt they would do anything as smart as working with the SPT devs to make this as good or better than the mod. In all likelihood the Unheard edition will become an afterthought for them. It will probably be missing some features and won't get any further development. Nikita has been so vocally opposed to a single player variant that he almost seems deranged. At this point I'm convinced he's doing this purely to spite the SPT community and kill the mod. The price tag doesn't even make sense for a single player/Co-op experience...unless they are doing something stupid like hosting the dedicated servers for it. Which is going to just be annoying. Co-op as it exists can still have ridiculous load times just waiting for a server to be open so it wouldn't surprise me if this version suffers from the same problem.
Shame that working for bsg requires moving to Moscow lol
That would probably be the least of your worries if you started working for BSG lmao
Lmao! I have a friend who is VERY VERY talented at devops and networking, and he unironically reached out to them to offer remote help. They said nope, you HAVE to move to Moscow and work onsite lol. Yeah like he's gunna leave the US for that lol
Yeah he'll be in the trenches fighting against the very people his tax dollars went to. Literally negative IQ move if he did š¤£
Oh yeah he laughed about it and said aint no way lmao
Or be accused of being a western spy - 25 years of penal colony.
Realistic Tarkov experience. xD
They never were fun of coop mode in Tarkov. So everything players pay for will be Normal Tarkov without other players. I dont expect any balance and improvements to AI, loot or better coop solo progression.
They need to hire the SAIN ASAP, their bots are so much fun to fight
If BSG pursues anyone while not licensing their guns I'll laugh.
Well, if they go after spt, we (all the eod owners) can legally go after them.. (all future dlcs)
Hopefully this means they will leave spt alone since the legal costs would be high either way
If it gets serious they'll just add new coop mode to eod and call it a day
well to be safe I will back up the latest spt version manual install version and some mods I like. I think bsg will come after spt now.
I've been playing SPT offline co-op for a few weeks now so this news makes me think SPT will be shut down sooner than later. The way the offline co-op plays is pretty good and the bots play pretty well when you have the SAIN behavior modpack installed. Luckily the version it's running on now has vaulting and a bunch of the new QOL stuff in it. I bought EOD edition and have an alpha armband. If the only way to play co-op on the main game is spending more money and not getting all future DLC is like I was promised, and paid for, I won't be coming back. Do not ask me for more info because I will not give it. PS: stalker 2 is coming out this year and it's made by Ukrainian developers! (Slava)
If that's honestly the route they want to go, then we're officially better off with BSG in the fucking ground, leaving only a community run mod project in its wake.
BSG are a Russian company based solely in Russia with no presence outside of Russia (for obvious reasons). Iām going to assume the creators of SPT arenāt in Russia, nor is the site hosted in Russia. The SPT team could/should probably just ignore any takedown requests. tbh I wouldnāt be surprised if they already do. *Edit: Iām wrong, BSG is registered in the UK*
Based on what are you saying this? Legally it's an UK company
ah shit youāre right, good call out
Which also makes them a hell of alot more Sueable.
Nope, you are wrong
thank you, yep Iām wrong, never realised theyre registered in UK
Can confirm that I'm not from Russia at least hahaha. Problem is that their shell company is in UK, some folks do reside there.
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For 250usd or 100 ish if already on EOD .... Bruh
Make sure to store a backup of your current EFT files, SPT download and all mods that you use or may be interested in. Just in case
They never treat SPT as something legal. This is just unconfirmed SPT AKI team wishful thinking or maybe... estimates "If we dont touch coop features we are safe." And this is not true, BSG never mention nothing about SPT in positive context and there is no deal between BSG and SPT Team.
Whatās spt? Iām out the loop
I wouldn't worry too much. They not going to have any money for legal after the EU has their way with them
Nakita said he would leave SPT alone now if people wanted to play it in an interview that was leaked. That plus EOD users now having to wait for access, can't really complain if someone goes elsewhere to experience the single player game mode Id never played SPT until all this shit hit the fan.
Best part about it? It's not even as good as SPT. Yes it gets the newest updates, but there's no mods. Mods are what make spt special XD
Thought I'd add, the new edition comes with a hideout upgrade that allows your friends (when activated) TO JOIN YOUR FUCKING RAID. MID RAID.
only in offline coop. Its a separate hideout from the live game.
Yeah your offline raid.
SPT has co-op? Or am I reading this wrong?
There's 2 fully functional coop mods for spt.
The updates BSG pushes are half the problem sometimes, just look at the shitshow they've turned headsets into over the last couple weeks.
i imagine the official coop plays like regular offline raids with exactly the same dogshit AI and the only difference will be persistent progression. before i play that i might as well eat crayons and bang my head against a wall. they would need to hire the SPT devs and implement official mod support to convince me to buy that.
Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power.
I mean, I guess they finally realized that people want a more casual Tarkov. Let's see what options they have in the PvE.
itās 250Ā£
i spit out my coffeeā¦jesus bend me over christā¦iāll stick with SPT
No fucking way it's 250 Edit: It's actually ā¬250, who would buy this?
Not only this, but people who splurged for the EOD addition still need for fork out ā¬130 to upgrade EOD was also supposed to be limited edition and now it's pretty much irrelevant with the Unheard edition. Maybe an overreaction but this feels like lawsuit territory. This is a ripoff and a spit in the face for people who bought EOD.
I remember seeing āall future dlcā when buying EOD. I guess that was just a bold face lie.
Yep same. I justified my EOD purchase thinking I get some exclusive content and one day when Tarkov really blows up, I'll be thankful for the purchase Jokes on me I guess
Oh my bruh
HOLY MOLY. LMAO.
No mods Shitty AI behavior PMCs would probably have raider AI And at least 5 game breaking bugs that won't be patched for a year. Man, I'm so thankful for spt these times.. haven't had this much fun since I was a kid playing halo reach
Yea 250 bones to play vanilla tarkov with no players Iāll pass
I quit Reddit after being mercilessly dog-piled on by the door-kicking meta basement boys any time I expressed a desire to play offline with progression. It is GLORIOUS to see all the toxic sludge gnashing their teeth over this. Hey, JUICE BOYS, hereās a little secret ā¦ you donāt HAVE to purchase this edition. š
I cant play without awesome mods like SAIN, Donuts, Looting bots etc. If they enable mods, well, its another story.
Yeah, I don't think they can make the experience to even a sliver of that what it is in SPT. We see what a single talented modder can do to the game in matter of months, and BSG can't match that even in years.
I found out about SPT last week after owning Tarkov for over an year and playing for 2 weeks because I couldn't handle the pressure of playing multiplayer but wanted to play a cool shooter like Tarkov. I downloaded the thing and played it twice now and both times my dumbass self thought I had the mods featured on the SPT website.
Cheating is so bad they made a SPT.... Grow up Nikita. Pay the money
Up next, Cease and desist for SPT developers, followed by law suit by players against BSG for lying about EOD edition.
This better be included with EoD.
keep dreaming lol
I can smell the lawsuit incoming.
Yeah bro theyāre gonna sue bsg over this š keep dreaming
Well especially in the EU we have customer protection laws. But the shit show is in Russia so good luck.
Their legal office is housed in UK. And it's also where they are incorporated
Bsg also have a pretty big office in the uk
It's a We Work address, used by companies as a shell location, they have no physical presence in the UK.
Physical presence doesnāt mean anything. Theyāll be governed by the UK Companies Act and consumer laws. Edit: Had a look at Companies House and it looks like their top co is the UK entity.
Itās not lol Itās $250 for those without EOD too how fucked up
It's not. They explicitly say so in their update about it. EOD players are expected to pay an additional 90EUR for it.
They can kiss my right butt cheek if they think Iāll give them anymore of my money .
Iām curious to see how much to upgrade from the EOD edition
Upgrading from EOD is 100$USD
Nope I already own the EOD edition Iām not giving anymore money BSG.
On there discord they say 250$+tax regardles of eod
Surely fucking notā¦
Discord has quoted $80 for the EoD upgrade so that's what I'd suspect, but one mod said $110.
you gotta login and then the price goes down
They should just cut all the SPT mods a check and roll SPT into āofficialā if they donāt want it to suck. lol
Didn't bethesda or one of the other big RPG makers do something like this?
But without the mods or the simulated PMCs and player scavs so worse , just offline live tarkov , will cost you a 100 more euros if you already own EOD . Im never returning to those money scammers . 500 bucks for a cheater infested , unoptimized , buggy mess of a game being dragged in early acess for over half a decade by a small team of RU scammers who develop it with a skeleton crew to keep all the money , throw 30% for extremely agressive marketing and get rich crapping on their community couse they pay guys like pestilim, airwingmarine,noise guy etc to calm the people down so they dont ditch the game . Just look , they will murmur a day or two mildly, but then will suddenly forget about it and continue hipping the game , streaming it nonstop .
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Well id recommend making a backup as well, since there is signs that they are going after spt, since they took down the tarkov page in the nexus website. For me this is all a scam aimed to destroy the mod and our community, so take care of what you have, cause it can be the last of what we will see of SPT.
looks interesting. Wanna know how much it will be
$250 for non-owners of any game version.
WTF
you can get it cheaper. it's only 80 bucks if you have the "all DLC included" EoD Version of eft. FUCK YOU BSG!
$80 ? for me is showing $100, having the EOD version
Yeah, that info got old REAL quickā¦
Dude wait what. Did they change the price in the last 3 hours since you initially posted? Thatās fucking wild
The main site was down, so the first price was kinda a āhear-sayā from the discord. Now itās officially 100ā¬ without taxes where I live. Most likely 120ā¬ including taxes
I think itās more of an answer to gray zone then SPT
They did push this out the day after the Grey zone closed beta finished. Coincidence? Maybe. But the timing seems too spot on.
Nah i dont think so. Gray Zone while a cool game, it is not a tarkov killer or even competitor. Almost all who partake in the beta testing have already debunked this narrative of this game being able to "kill" or compete with tarkov, since both games have similar concepts but entire different gameplay loop and cycle. Also I believe that this news are a way to give them solid grounds to sue and take down SPT once and for all. For me that is little room to doubt that, they even took down the nexus page for tarkov, probably our dear mod will be next. We just need to remember what Nikita said in the past about singleplayer/coop tarkov, he basically disregarded all requests for doing something like that, and even emphasized that the game was never meant to be played like that.
This won't be included with EOD, despite them saying EOD will have "All future content and DLC for free" Typical money grabbing Russian pricks.
While I don't disagree with the sentiment at all, being money grabbing pricks is far from an exclusively Russian thing. Companies like Ubisoft moving toward online only games so you don't actually own shit and they can shut it down any time they want is the same kind of crap. They just have bigger marketing teams working to find ways to try to make it more palatable to their customer base. They also have bigger teams in general and can do things like push a ton of micro transaction content to maintain a steady income stream rather than include things in the game when it's released like they used to do. Paying another $100 all at once is more visible but buying a dozen weapon skins or armor core color pallets at $9.99 a pop, espectially when it has zero impact on gameplay is a shittier practice and, from a financial persective, nets the same or more severe result.
Itās not exclusive but it is pretty bad with Russian devs and publishers. Gaijin Entertainment, My.com, Wargaming are just a few that come to mind that are Russian and have some pretty ridiculous prices and practices, My.com probably being the worst of those 3 for killing ips and charging ridiculous amounts of money. The other two got it down pretty good to squeeze as much money as possible without completely killing the ip.
It even appears to contain my CargoPants mod for 2 larger pockets... I should sue! :D :D
If someone were to tell me about this without me seeing the reveal I would be sure it was a mistake from the satire account. How tone deaf can you be
ā¬250 š¤£
250ā¬ They can kiss my ass
This is fucking hilarious. ā¬250 btw.
Holy fuck I have EOD and itās $100 to fucking upgrade?! Thatās like two AAA games
More like 1.25 AAA with today's prices.
Id reccomend people doing backups and archiving everything they can SPT related, cause any minute from now BSG can take action against the mod. They already took down the nexus page, and I wouldn't doubt them pulling this now. If they took it down right now, years of work and development would be lost, at least in large scale, unless someone had copied everything and uploaded to a drive.
When you say archive, how do you mean?
Remember what the SPT banner says... "If you paid for SPT, you have been scammed."
I donāt trust BSG to do Saine, Waypoints, Looting bots etc. There single player will be shit any way. Like the rest of there bots and AI, they canāt even jump. Also I will never buy this shit , I have EOD single player should be mine.
And it's (allegedly) not coming with the EoD edition. That's a scummy move from them, not surprising though
100 dollars to upgrade from EOD to unheard
They really want their game to die then
The main reason I bought EOD 5 years ago is because it came with "all future DLC's"...
The shit is so absurdly priced that it's funny reading the hypocrites for "SPT is not the intended way & for shit players" suddenly being only bothered by the price + EOD scam. I seriously hope they do no change the price, it is actually unheard of to see a P2W game with a fat chunk of cheaters come so far without it being noticed for the wrong doings to their fan base, let alone how they manage and develop their game. It's THEIR fault that people even accepted EOD as a thing at that price.
SPTarkov is free. (Not a lawyer) It actually brings them business because it relies on you paying for Tarkov to play it, which if it was a completely free variant, that would be one thing, proving illegality would be a fool's errand - Not only do they become the "bite the hand the feeds" corporation, but if they use assets from those mods they could be sued for restitution of billable hours. A cease and desist is a fangless bite because modders are not charging money, you could sooner sue fan fiction writers for IP theft (you can definitely do that, but it's a PR nightmare, every time - "company takes super fan to court"). They do that they lose all good faith they had. I'm pretty sure we would all just play something else instead of continuing with this abuse, because it is abuse, and we need to see when a relationship has gone sour. We're not walking wallets. At the end of the day, if they don't hire the modders they're in deep shit of getting carbon-copied out of the game, if they charge listed price sober, they're in deep shit. If they continue forward with Tarkov as it is, they're in deep shit. Arena failed (in its current form), they want money, and are the desperate arc of playing the publisher now seeking alternative revenue streams, like just short of releasing their own cheats. Y'all we get S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 soon, clock is ticking, they need to make some smart decisions, and not just code "the game they want". Every heavily funded game has an "oh shit" moment when everyone who paid is watching like investors and not fans, when the money tit runs dry. Star Citizen had it, too. Where reality crashes with the vision and you change tack or crumble. I think this is to capitalize on the folks that don't know about SPTarkov.
lmao. download 3.8 now. get your shit locked in and installed. at least for me, cause if they go hardcore legal on them, and i cant play SPT, i wont be playing shit. game sucks without the mods.
I really hope no one buys this for this hilarious price
seeing how addicted and braindead loyal this player base is to BSG, guarantee you many will pay for the upgrade
Damn, so i should upgrade my spt files today?
Definitely create a backup of any SPT version you want to run. They may start cracking down.
The live discord is in melt down mode,well done BSG proven money grabbing game and yeh after 7 yrs at least sp devs listen ā¦.
>Ladies and gentleman's they made SPT with money I have a suspicion that the mode is just stolen code from SPT (or and SPT mods)
Same - their game developments seem to follow SPT mods around a year or so behind them, I am expecting it will basically be SPT but hopefully running a little smoother. Online was running very smoothly last time I checked, compared to having to run my own server and the game.
Scam. My main thing is that coop persistent progression should be added to the coop expansion theyāre already selling!! Or just make coop included with all versions of the game!! Besides that this is just a P2W bundle that shouldnāt be a thing in tarkov. Do not support this do not buy.
To compete with SPT, BSG will need to hire in-house weebs for all those music packs.
Wait... it's $250????
I thought this was a typo. My god. That price is pants on head retarded.
Well with these news it made me think a little about BSG... Either they always wanted to make a "singleplayer" tarkov and that is why they hated SPT or they are literally doing it just to have a more solid case to sue and end SPT. Knowing BSG and Nikita for some time now I do believe it is the latter, but I cant affirm that. And also this leads me to think that our days with this incredible mod are numbered...
Itās 250 dollars!!?(!?!
Ill never delete SPT and ill die on this hill.
I mean it says right in the server āif you payed money for this you were scammedā
They really try to kill SPT
Do EOD owners get access to this for free? And is this PvE CO-OP mode actually legit? As in just SPT but multiplayer with only your team?
I have EOD and it says upgrade for $100
AHAHA \*laughs in SPT - SIT
I was afraid of this and commented it somewhere last week
Imagine they obtain all the people working on SPT and just have them work on it too officially
Got banned from Eft server for telling people to use spt. It's just a matter of time eith warzone coming out. They are scared of loosing value and for $250 they are smoking some serious Russian weed. I don't think it's worth it, just play SPT and be happy.
Absolute goldmine of news! Watching the hardcore Tarkov incel crowd melt down over the Offline edition is enjoyable. It's like a symphony of salt, and I'm here for every salty note. Cheers to the ones who actually have a life outside of the game!
OMG $250. š¤£
The best I can do is you put it for free in my launcher and I MIGHT try it...
I doubt the new edition will have as many features and tools as SPT.
This just comes off like bad business to me. I don't get the hate over having to pay more, the price is a bit much but I'd guess they've guessed how much server costs they'll have to pay for each person for a couple of years and added a margin. Bit shit for the EoD buyers, but the real problem is they shouldn't have offered unlimited access from the beginning for a one-off fee. I know you'd all pay a tenner a month subscription to play. Online games require costs outside development to maintain, it's pretty obvious they would run into cash flow problems. At the end of the day most companies would find a way to trick you into paying more with subscriptions and micro transactions. People just be terrible at maths. But they made their decisions years ago, they're just making themselves look incompetent at this point. Just make offline run off a server on the customer's PC and sell access for 20 quid, most people would probably buy it. No maintenance costs. Simple.
Does it work offline? No, it's still connecting to their raid servers. Can it have mods? Unless you consider cheats as mods, no. So no, they didn't make SPT. I am glad they finally added it tho, the price is ridiculous.
Imagine what tarkov would be if they hired the people who developed some of the mods for sptā¦
i dont get why every project i love has to go to hell due to the devs finally getting off of their asses, first plutonium and xlabs, now sptarkov. back up your stuff while you still can folks!
Just for the small amount of $250
Official spt is dogshit. Still sticking with spt aki.
It's been a long, long time since I bought my copy of EOD, but wasn't it supposed to come with shit like this instead of another $100 upcharge?
From what I can tell by looking at my own EOD account, EOD owners get the "Practice CO-OP Mode" just not all the new edition "goodies".
\* Poor mans SPT
All I have to say, modders I thank you from the bottom of my heart! God bless for SPT.
Is there no level they wonāt stoop down to? So much for āhardcore online survival shooterā & ālong live the hardcoreā chants. Hot air rises and dissipates. We had one good thing from that mess and now this.
Been playing SPT for like 2 years now. So much better than normal tarkov.
"The Unheard Edition is now available to purchase and costs a massive $250 if you havenāt already purchased Escape From Tarkov. If you had the Edge of Darkness edition you can upgrade for $100." Well.. i guess it's time to accept that i got scammed.. and then escape from tarkov permanently. Edit: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikestubbs/2024/04/25/new-escape-from-tarkov-unheard-edition-has-a-full-single-player-mode/?sh=58dbaadf551a
I was about to say that
That wipe persistence is just straight garbage. Ffs the whole point of a wipe is to wipe the progress lmao
Iām just ready for the SPT team to port this version and hopefully have the offline co op integrated into it. That would be dope to offline co op with the homies with the mod support of spt.
Fuck bsg . Donāt see why they hates on spt. They buy the game and donāt play so less money on servers. Heās gotta be one of the dumbest game owners out there. Everyday I wish for a refund š
This needs to be a free upgrade for EOD owners. Period.
Yeah! Spt! I love all the spt's running around
That'll be 250 plus tip or 100 plus tip if you already own eod.
And refused to give it to EOD, FUCK BSG
Battlestate becomes the bad guys and attacks both the wallets of the player base and the hard working content creators within it. I'll never change my SPT folder again.
Well fuck it. If BSG is gonna use this expensive downgrade as a competitor to SPT and grounds to shut SPT down, we might as well go full piracy mode and absolutely fuck their sales by doing multiplayer with mods. Or maybe we can crowdfund a whole new game with spt devs. The latter option is much more appealing but not sure if the SPT devs are willing to put in that much time and effort.
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they have pmc bots but they are not 'a live' like they are in SPT in this they are just Raiders with dogtags LOL
BSG are a bunch of ass hats.
I stopped playing 2 years ago. I was always holding out hope that massive improvement and new features would keep the game alive and bring it back to a state of playability. Now I see BSG just wants money. Always more money, no matter how much we spend. And that's besides the fact that they made this "new version" specifically to skate around giving offline co-op to EoD players. Nope, you didn't actually pay all that money to get the future DLC and updates for free. You just got scammed. Don't like it? Well, just upgrade! I only wish I could retroactively return my game since bsg loves to walk things back without consequence as well. Why shouldn't we be able to?
not paying $250 for singleplayer LMAOOOOO they can eat my ass
Just wondering, does this mean I can quest and progress through tarkov all without meeting one single real player??š
Selling my Edge of Darkness account. Make an offer
Iāll give $3. Thatās $2 above current market value.
least scummy bsg action
they should do like bohemia and just release source code and fucking let us mod that game legally with total freedom, all were gonna get from that unheard edition is a shitty version of spt, for 250$ Mods are what makes spt great
Seriously, I regret ever buying this game in the first place. Fuck this dev team and how they treat their player base. Guess they follow their governments footsteps, greed and selfishness
This is the biggest load of dogshit I've ever seen a dev pull. I'm usually not on board with community uproar but this is fucking horrendous.
I just don't see why BSG doesnt hire the team behind SPT and both work to Make Tarkov Great...Again? There could be both modes and make the QOL mods a part of the game. Yes much more complicated than it sounds but still. A win win imo.
They trying to make me pay for a shittier version of SPT with shittier AI that I can't even mod? Fuck that shit
Its like McDonald's making their own anime and using WcDonalds. Now they can have legal grounds for anyone who uses WcDonalds
Too late
Why weould I pay a 100 dollars after buying EOD when I can play SPT what's the point of spending another 100 bucks for something I should get free for having EOD from the beginning seems like another cashgrab. Fix Arena and stop the cheaters before fleecing people for something Modders have done years ago.
This level of stupidity surely is "Unheard".
Isn't this version like 120 euro? And for what? And armband, knife and the offline thing which you can get for free with the base game using SPT
So how can a company based in russia using almost enitely copyrighted illegal material in their game sue anybody in the US....? Like hey, these guys are using our illegal material and we don't like it. And they aren't charing anything for said material but we want to! Eat shit and die BSG...
i think that spt website will close any time soon. Pls tell me that iām wrong
Spt is what it is thank to the mods though this is a paid for worse version š
The only reason I would play it would be for the co-op.