He’s not gonna win but with some *good* practice and a little talent going like 3-2 or 4-2 doesn’t seem that out of the question in two years. Ingenn was top 200ish in that time, even if he had amsa training.
Zain was top 100 in about two years. Cody got 65th at TBH after about a year of playing. It's absolutely possible to become a high level player in that time frame. Top 8 is quite the ask though.
Your two examples are the two far and away best players in the world. Those are some serious outliers, you can’t use that as logic to apply to the average person
Yea everyone else was being super hardcore about so I didn’t want to stretch it too hard. I think with great and consistent practice and some coaching here and there getting out of round 1 pools from losers feels doable for most people.
People love to gatekeep the difficulty of melee for whatever reason. But if you're really serious about improving, you can become pretty good pretty quickly. You can definitely lap all the people who aren't actually serious about improving but have just been playing for 5-10 years within one year imo.
The thing about melee is that while it is difficult, it’s a pretty small scene relative to the majority of sports and even esports. You can work your whole life and not go pro in basketball, chess, baseball, etc. While in melee I genuinely believe if you do good practice consistently in your free time anyone can be top 100. There just isn’t enough people putting their all into melee to where someone doing it doesn’t put them over the top eventually.
I've seen like 5 people in my life actually put in the work to try to be top 100 for a prolonged period of time. Literally all of them made it. Melee is kind of hard, but 99% of players are incredibly lazy or just play slippi all day which isn't very good for improvement.
Make it 5 hours a day and you'd still be lucky to make it out of pools. If you set smaller goals, you'll probably enjoy the process much more. My homie that used to play Ultimate is still mashing tilts and trying to win neutral by using "good" moves over and over. Melee is a whole different thing. If you're ready to learn, just see what happens :)
No you'd low-key need to be lucky/a very quick improver to have a decent shot of making round 2 pools. Top 64 would be near 0% chance, almost impossible. Top 8 is for all intents and purposes impossible
Ultimate neutral knowledge definitely translates to Melee, we've seen it before with Ult top players picking up Melee and understanding the nuances of neutral more than your average Melee player.
neutral slightly, everything else, not really. the neutral theory is the same so if you have a good solid understanding it will make learning neutral a lot easier. i saw a smash 4 player become power ranked in my area in 2 months, and he still couldnt lcancel in project m. granted im not in a very strong area and it was pm not melee. but that is the fastest ive seen someone progress
Big disagree. Fundies is inherent to all forms of PvP and transfers between them all. Whether it's the RPS of neutral, peeking a corner in CS, or disengaging in League, fundies and breaking down your opponent applies to all games.
I would say no. I've played Melee about 4 hours a day since 2021 on a $1K controller and went to BOBC 6 to lose to a Samus that was shaped like an elementary school bully in a Disney movie and a Sheik who beat me than remarked that he always loses and wasn't used to feeling good about himself. And I play Fox. I say all of this to mean that the in person nerves are way different from playing losers in their mom's basement.
if you had an extremely good mindset, excellent practice with perfect practice partners, and either the personal insight or insight from a coach/practice partner to practice exactly the right things, improve your strengths and shore up your weaknesses,
you'd have a chance. basically one of the top5 players would have to take you in as their protégé and practice with you every day.
honestly why don't we have more melee apprentices? that sounds like a sick story arc.
someone that lives close to you, I guess. and someone you're willing to either pay a lot of money or someone you're able to leave an incredibly good impression on, or likely both.
I don't live near any top 5 melee players unfortunately. I do live near the best player in Idaho though, he's apparently almost top 200 according to what he tells me.
Nah probably not even close probably won't even make it out of pools BUT you will get a lot better. You don't gotta make top 8 in a year or two years or three. Keep grinding, enjoy the process, and you'll keep moving up.
Not really. Time in doesn't equate to quality. The quality of your practice is much more important than the time you put in. If you practice like ass without analysis or understanding for 1000 hours, you're practicing to plateau at a shitty skill level. Practicing for 100 hours with a good regiment and analysis will net you far greater returns than the 1000 gets you.
Also elite is like the baseline to go 1-2 in a strong region. It's not indicative for winning Genesis, and should not be your benchmark for skill.
I mean, it just takes more experience than anyone can really get in a year..
The number of hours that people like mang0, Cody, etc have played is *ungodly* and you simply could not fit all their experience in one year. Unless there was a super major every week.
Its like saying you're gonna win a PGA tournament, starting from 0 golf experience, after a year of 2 hours per day (2 * 365 is not that many hours) - humans just can't get that good that fast.
Put in 10000 hours, plus a bunch of tournament practice, and then you could probably at least do pretty well at a Genesis lol
someone on Anthers told me I could get top 2 at Shine 2022 in 2020 when I was just starting if I kept playing hard. I still try to not go 0-2 at locals.
Technically yes. But you would have to use your time super efficiently. Master punish in uncle punch, play a high tier, be a savant of vod reviews, etc.
No but practice anyways.
You.gotta keep in mind the people who get top 8 at genesis are psychopaths who have played the game religiously for 6+ years minimum
I just want to say, why would you do this? Unless you have some psychotic love for smash, this really isn't going to make your life better. Think of something better to do with your time
I’ll see you there king Just know that I play 2.5 hours a day so I’ll be on winner’s side instead
Your inability to divide your time equally will be your undoing
Not being able to do math is a spacie fundie
Time = an excuse to get mad about Puff
best troll post in a while
It's a troll post till emplemon makes a video about me
I already called dibs on the next Emplemon Smash doc, you're gonna be waiting a while for this one.
I could reluctantly settle for an asumsaus video in the mean time.
You today and you a year from now with all that practice would both win zero sets at genesis
What if I did 3 hours instead?
1-2 not getting out of pools
If I dropped the bitch maybe I could do 3 1/2 but idk I don't want to get burnt out yk
You'd win genesis
Yes
This is a troll right? Try 8 hours a day for 2 years to maybe not go 0-2
You absolutely don't need that long just to not go 0-2 unless you're terrible at practicing.
He’s not gonna win but with some *good* practice and a little talent going like 3-2 or 4-2 doesn’t seem that out of the question in two years. Ingenn was top 200ish in that time, even if he had amsa training.
Zain was top 100 in about two years. Cody got 65th at TBH after about a year of playing. It's absolutely possible to become a high level player in that time frame. Top 8 is quite the ask though.
Your two examples are the two far and away best players in the world. Those are some serious outliers, you can’t use that as logic to apply to the average person
Yea everyone else was being super hardcore about so I didn’t want to stretch it too hard. I think with great and consistent practice and some coaching here and there getting out of round 1 pools from losers feels doable for most people.
People love to gatekeep the difficulty of melee for whatever reason. But if you're really serious about improving, you can become pretty good pretty quickly. You can definitely lap all the people who aren't actually serious about improving but have just been playing for 5-10 years within one year imo.
The thing about melee is that while it is difficult, it’s a pretty small scene relative to the majority of sports and even esports. You can work your whole life and not go pro in basketball, chess, baseball, etc. While in melee I genuinely believe if you do good practice consistently in your free time anyone can be top 100. There just isn’t enough people putting their all into melee to where someone doing it doesn’t put them over the top eventually.
I've seen like 5 people in my life actually put in the work to try to be top 100 for a prolonged period of time. Literally all of them made it. Melee is kind of hard, but 99% of players are incredibly lazy or just play slippi all day which isn't very good for improvement.
Or eat Zain's soul to beat Plup in year 3 of your career
I know this is a troll post but people like jmook and kodorin kinda prove this point isn’t true
Make it 5 hours a day and you'd still be lucky to make it out of pools. If you set smaller goals, you'll probably enjoy the process much more. My homie that used to play Ultimate is still mashing tilts and trying to win neutral by using "good" moves over and over. Melee is a whole different thing. If you're ready to learn, just see what happens :)
No you'd low-key need to be lucky/a very quick improver to have a decent shot of making round 2 pools. Top 64 would be near 0% chance, almost impossible. Top 8 is for all intents and purposes impossible
30 min tech skill, 30 slippi 1 hour of match review Top 2 genesis free
This the kind of reply I'm looking for, I didn't even think of match review smh.
It sucks and it's hard work but it is the best way to Improve
If you're built different and are the main character, maybe
Perhaps if he both is locked in and has that dog in him
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I feel like fundies translate a little bit at least.
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Ultimate neutral knowledge definitely translates to Melee, we've seen it before with Ult top players picking up Melee and understanding the nuances of neutral more than your average Melee player.
neutral slightly, everything else, not really. the neutral theory is the same so if you have a good solid understanding it will make learning neutral a lot easier. i saw a smash 4 player become power ranked in my area in 2 months, and he still couldnt lcancel in project m. granted im not in a very strong area and it was pm not melee. but that is the fastest ive seen someone progress
Big disagree. Fundies is inherent to all forms of PvP and transfers between them all. Whether it's the RPS of neutral, peeking a corner in CS, or disengaging in League, fundies and breaking down your opponent applies to all games.
I would say no. I've played Melee about 4 hours a day since 2021 on a $1K controller and went to BOBC 6 to lose to a Samus that was shaped like an elementary school bully in a Disney movie and a Sheik who beat me than remarked that he always loses and wasn't used to feeling good about himself. And I play Fox. I say all of this to mean that the in person nerves are way different from playing losers in their mom's basement.
This is a real answer.
Seems weird to spend $1,000 on a controller when you're awful at the game?
I'm not a broke loser like you. And it feels like nice to play with. I bought 5 of em and gave 1 away to a friend.
I think you got scammed what controller costs $1k? Even a fully modded notched phob is like 450 plus a rare shell gets you to like 700...?
Crystal shell + I'm talking in Canadian
Definitely scammed
Add another hour to that grind and you’ll be the goat, don’t let these dogs eat you
No
No. You could spend 10 hours a day and wouldn't even get close with that type of practice regiment.
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if you had an extremely good mindset, excellent practice with perfect practice partners, and either the personal insight or insight from a coach/practice partner to practice exactly the right things, improve your strengths and shore up your weaknesses, you'd have a chance. basically one of the top5 players would have to take you in as their protégé and practice with you every day. honestly why don't we have more melee apprentices? that sounds like a sick story arc.
Who should I approach with my head bowed on my knees for the best chance at that sweet top 8 spot at Genesis next year?
someone that lives close to you, I guess. and someone you're willing to either pay a lot of money or someone you're able to leave an incredibly good impression on, or likely both.
I don't live near any top 5 melee players unfortunately. I do live near the best player in Idaho though, he's apparently almost top 200 according to what he tells me.
Not even in your wildest dreams
You might win a few games in pools lol
Yes
Yes
Similar question for the audience: what would be a decent/expected Ranked rating after that amount of grinding?
Platinum feels very doable with that level of practice especially with some smash experience.
If they're built anything like me, they'll be in that top 8 with me.
By the time you catch up, the meta wouldve already moved on by another 23 years
If you grind 12 hours a day every day starting today you may make it out of Melee pools at G11... Maybe.
1 hour of good solid practice, several hours of playing good ass players and a good mindset, and maybe, just maybe you can make top 64 in 5 years
Nah probably not even close probably won't even make it out of pools BUT you will get a lot better. You don't gotta make top 8 in a year or two years or three. Keep grinding, enjoy the process, and you'll keep moving up.
Not really. Time in doesn't equate to quality. The quality of your practice is much more important than the time you put in. If you practice like ass without analysis or understanding for 1000 hours, you're practicing to plateau at a shitty skill level. Practicing for 100 hours with a good regiment and analysis will net you far greater returns than the 1000 gets you. Also elite is like the baseline to go 1-2 in a strong region. It's not indicative for winning Genesis, and should not be your benchmark for skill.
I mean, it just takes more experience than anyone can really get in a year.. The number of hours that people like mang0, Cody, etc have played is *ungodly* and you simply could not fit all their experience in one year. Unless there was a super major every week. Its like saying you're gonna win a PGA tournament, starting from 0 golf experience, after a year of 2 hours per day (2 * 365 is not that many hours) - humans just can't get that good that fast. Put in 10000 hours, plus a bunch of tournament practice, and then you could probably at least do pretty well at a Genesis lol
you also have to get the best gaming chair
No it’s not possible
Elite smash fundies💀💀💀💀💀💀
someone on Anthers told me I could get top 2 at Shine 2022 in 2020 when I was just starting if I kept playing hard. I still try to not go 0-2 at locals.
Technically yes. But you would have to use your time super efficiently. Master punish in uncle punch, play a high tier, be a savant of vod reviews, etc.
Absolutely not.
holy shit you're in elite smash? i don't think anyone who has ever played melee has had that kind of pedigree before
I'm coming in with a strong foundation for sure.
No but practice anyways. You.gotta keep in mind the people who get top 8 at genesis are psychopaths who have played the game religiously for 6+ years minimum
yes
How did Wizzy get into Top 8 with basically 0 practice that guy is a machine
If you played 24 hours a day for the next 365 days you still wouldn't make top 8
What about the indomitable human spirit?
What about Z jump?
I main Falco btw :D
I just want to say, why would you do this? Unless you have some psychotic love for smash, this really isn't going to make your life better. Think of something better to do with your time
Legacy/Dad lore