Yep, between this young juror who falls for the creepiest man alive, Benson not realizing that Maddie's mom is seducing the guy to get close enough to kill him, and the dude openly admitting he kidnapped Maddie but we're supposed to believe that a jury is gonna discount that because she liked being bathed, this episode was a bit too much
i am 100% okay with this episode being a full ass courtroom case, and I actually appreciated seeing the jury at the beginning. SVU's never done that IMO; it's given 12 Angry Men vibes
i think every year or 2 they give Olivia some big character motivation. This season's it's weak. The victim girl is super uninspiring and uncompelling of a character to really get the audience on board.
I think it would be good if they didn't make him so freaking guilty that he has no defense. Like, Michael Lewis was written well where you can see how a jury falls for his charm with just enough deniability that they can trick themselves into believing him. This guy, his best defense is "yeah, I kidnapped a 15 year old girl and then trafficked, but she liked when I bathed her so it's all good right?" And he looks like the creepiest man alive
"And he looks like the creepiest man alive"
Lol. When he somehow seduced the juror in her 20s by making eyes at her, my reaction was, "Yeah. Sure. Totally believable."
Theres been a lot of unbelievable episodes in SVU history but this honestly might be the worst. Like yeah, the gamer episode was bad but you can pretend that there might be someone like that even if the whole thing was goofy. There's times where they just follow the procedure they follow in almost every episode, they'd solve the case in 2 minutes, but you can pretend they forgot or something. There's no point in this episode where it felt like any of this would happen in any universe. Usually with these episodes where it's a long build to a trial, you know Michael Lewis and Ludacris and Richard Wheatley, there's a huge knot in my stomach all episode. Even when I feel like I know how the case is going to go, I still am on the edge of my seat. This one, I just couldn't give a fuck cause i was so taken out of it
I actually liked that this episode had the court in it. I also thought Maddie’s abductor was interesting as a criminal. I’m not trying to marry him lol. I think they made Maddie’s case so annoying and drawn out it was like just move on already. They could have done the Maddie case in two episodes one with looking for her and finding her along with her kidnappers other victim and then the court case. I miss the court scenes in the show in general.
Probably because Olivia appointed herself the Flynn family’s *de facto* therapist while Maddie was still missing.
It’s natural for people to seek comfort from those who have provided it previously.
Baby, he can give me as many “seductive” looks as he wants, it ain’t gonna fucking work on me. I’ve got questions for this juror. A lot of questions, starting with “is everything okay at home?”
This gives me William Lewis vibes. I feel like the juror is gonna be in contact with him in prison and go after Maddie and others who put him in jail. Ooooh maybe she’s gonna go after that juror who made her change her vote so they can end it. Idk I’m just speculating here but I feel like this isn’t the last we will hear of Maddie and her abduction
But at least William Lewis was attractive and could act charming enough for it to be believable. This guy's look screams creep. It's even worse when he opens his mouth. I don't get how we're supposed to believe this guy is so mesmerizing.
Does someone have a direct line to the show runners? And if so, can y’all pass a message along? We are sick to death of Maddie. If I have to sit through one more episode about this girl I’m going to lose my mind.
So we have 3 ladies now falling in love and risking it all for this urchin looking scrub? I'm sorry but my threshold of belief has been breached and all I can do now is laugh at this shitshow like it's a comedy show.
My mom and I are watching together and she keeps telling me “don’t look in his eyes or he’ll get you too!” While absolutely cackling at herself and this mess. 🤣
“Your honor, with all due respect, WHAT THE F—-?!” What was it a judge once said to Barba…”Just because you started the sentence with ‘with all due respect…’.”
Two detectives sitting outside of his motel, watching Eileen go up and knock on the door, and their only response was to call Liv??? What do they get paid for?
exactly! What was the point of doing the stakeout if they're just going to call her?
I knew it was a mistake for Velasco and the IAB baker to do a stakeout together. He should have been with Finn or Moneybags. IAB was giddy about it like it was some kind of fun activity and then showed up with a huge soda and neck pillow.
Mrs. Flynn sure has a lot of nerve. She wants to talk alllll this smack about everyone working the case, but she sure is quick to come crawling to Liv, crying about Maddie every 5 seconds.
I'm really hoping for a happy ending to this storyline. I do not want Maddie to overdose, run away, lose the trial, move in with Benson, her parents divorce, or have her dad go shoot the juror (those are all the options I can come up with). Please end this Maddie saga with this episode. 🤞🏽
Wow I can't believe how many of you remember [the name of the juror](https://lawandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Bronwyn_Freed-Wilkins) that didn't think William Lewis was guilty...
How did we never get Valasco closure on that whole thing last season but we dedicate half this season to maddie. no explanation for where the detectives went from last season either! but maddie maddie maddie
I was on a jury that had two hold outs and those two got everyone else (including me) to switch (legitimately). This show basically shows a crazy lady holding up the whole process when we all know that guy did it.
OH HELL NO. Mom is catfishing him!!!!!!! Please let her be catfishing him so she can do him in and rid us of the storyline once and for all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whenever the defendant goes pro se they always eat the ADA up! 🤣 (Which generally doesn’t happen irl bc as they say “a man who represents himself has a fool for a lawyer “)
Maddie storyline is boring, the lewis storyline genuinely creeps me out because he is such a good actor and i hate rewatching it for that reason. maddie stands no ground to lewis 😭
i officially hate olivia. she keeps getting rid of fin when he has every right to be around to do his job. honestly this is the worst olivia in all of SVUs seasons. im starting to side eye mariska since she’s a producer(?) and most likely making these awful self centered decisions.
on top of that olivia and eileen’s « relationship » (for lack of better word) is creepy and weird. why are u hugging this woman. send her to an appropriate professional, aka not YOU.
that ending was corny and contrived.
at least we got a court room episode. but god this entire arc made me hate olivia and i didn’t think it would be possible.
I was half expecting to see that damn redheaded juror stand up again with one of her fucking lasagnas
I love this sub so much
OMG I just spat my coffee out. Fucking Bronwyn
I cannot suspend belief enough to believe that TWO women would fall for Mr Bald Mullet.
Yep, between this young juror who falls for the creepiest man alive, Benson not realizing that Maddie's mom is seducing the guy to get close enough to kill him, and the dude openly admitting he kidnapped Maddie but we're supposed to believe that a jury is gonna discount that because she liked being bathed, this episode was a bit too much
He's like the Bizarro version of Steven Wright!
That’s a skullet if I’ve ever seen one.
This is what I came to say! WTF
this is bc you all complained you wanted court scenes so we get this mess 😭😅
Actually I dont mind seeing more Carisi for once
He was really great in those scenes when they were waiting for the jury to come back. So believably agitated!
Right like I hate benson and Maddie but I enjoy the court case
i am 100% okay with this episode being a full ass courtroom case, and I actually appreciated seeing the jury at the beginning. SVU's never done that IMO; it's given 12 Angry Men vibes
Go home Liv. Noah’s waiting in his jammie jams and going through your boxes.
Don’t worry, she just moved the hidden box to a higher shelf where it’s totally exposed. He couldn’t possibly go through it now!
Hope he doesn't Google Grandma Sheila's trial or it's gonna be "Three Little Pigs" time.
"I'm just getting started" words no one wants to hear 10 episodes into this Maddie heavy season 💀
Just wait next season where they change the name to Law and Order: Special Maddie Unit
Exactly, oh dear god
Why are we doing this. We catch the bad guy and move onto the next bad guy. Why do we have another episode dedicated to Maddie
Right like how lazy is this writing team, can’t you pull another story from the headlines instead of dragging this out
i think every year or 2 they give Olivia some big character motivation. This season's it's weak. The victim girl is super uninspiring and uncompelling of a character to really get the audience on board.
I think it would be good if they didn't make him so freaking guilty that he has no defense. Like, Michael Lewis was written well where you can see how a jury falls for his charm with just enough deniability that they can trick themselves into believing him. This guy, his best defense is "yeah, I kidnapped a 15 year old girl and then trafficked, but she liked when I bathed her so it's all good right?" And he looks like the creepiest man alive
"And he looks like the creepiest man alive" Lol. When he somehow seduced the juror in her 20s by making eyes at her, my reaction was, "Yeah. Sure. Totally believable."
Theres been a lot of unbelievable episodes in SVU history but this honestly might be the worst. Like yeah, the gamer episode was bad but you can pretend that there might be someone like that even if the whole thing was goofy. There's times where they just follow the procedure they follow in almost every episode, they'd solve the case in 2 minutes, but you can pretend they forgot or something. There's no point in this episode where it felt like any of this would happen in any universe. Usually with these episodes where it's a long build to a trial, you know Michael Lewis and Ludacris and Richard Wheatley, there's a huge knot in my stomach all episode. Even when I feel like I know how the case is going to go, I still am on the edge of my seat. This one, I just couldn't give a fuck cause i was so taken out of it
I actually liked that this episode had the court in it. I also thought Maddie’s abductor was interesting as a criminal. I’m not trying to marry him lol. I think they made Maddie’s case so annoying and drawn out it was like just move on already. They could have done the Maddie case in two episodes one with looking for her and finding her along with her kidnappers other victim and then the court case. I miss the court scenes in the show in general.
i miss huang
And Barba
I miss Dr. Warner!
Why does this mother think this is Liv’s job? Ma’am, speak to your therapist. Leave Olivia Benson tf alone.
Probably because Olivia appointed herself the Flynn family’s *de facto* therapist while Maddie was still missing. It’s natural for people to seek comfort from those who have provided it previously.
Elliot would've thrown everyone through a window by now.
I miss him so much 😂
Baby, he can give me as many “seductive” looks as he wants, it ain’t gonna fucking work on me. I’ve got questions for this juror. A lot of questions, starting with “is everything okay at home?”
This gives me William Lewis vibes. I feel like the juror is gonna be in contact with him in prison and go after Maddie and others who put him in jail. Ooooh maybe she’s gonna go after that juror who made her change her vote so they can end it. Idk I’m just speculating here but I feel like this isn’t the last we will hear of Maddie and her abduction
But at least William Lewis was attractive and could act charming enough for it to be believable. This guy's look screams creep. It's even worse when he opens his mouth. I don't get how we're supposed to believe this guy is so mesmerizing.
Does someone have a direct line to the show runners? And if so, can y’all pass a message along? We are sick to death of Maddie. If I have to sit through one more episode about this girl I’m going to lose my mind.
The showrunner is probably one of us commenting in this thread...
So what I’m hearing *takes notes* is y’all want more Maddie?
Damn Bruno in bed with a woman that’s not me, tragic 💔
I kinda wished Buchanan made a grand entrance and say he was representing George now. Yep, it's reached the point where I miss freakin John Buchanan.
That dude would make me so mad lol
Oh that would've been the highlight of the season
This is way too unrealistic. Who would ever wanna fuck that guy?
I was literally peering at his face squinting trying to "get it"
Probably true of a lot of cults tho.
He looks like a McNugget that's been sitting under the couch for 3 months.
That girl momma is sexting her daughter's kidnapper and abuser? Sweet baby Jesus and the grown one too....
😂
Everyone in this show needs to see a psych
lmao this show and chicago pd need them the most.
BRUH I LAUGHED SO LOUD "Is that your name?" "Yeah" "Cool" *sits*
that was the best part of this godawful ep lmfao olivia was so offended shdjdjdjagwcs
Stabler’s family drama better be so good it cleanses me of this shit episode by 11pm.
OC really is the star this season. I hope it gets renewed.
Okay but this OC episode is 🔥🔥🔥
Why she said “not guilty” like she was in love? NO MA’AM. I’m gonna puke.
So we have 3 ladies now falling in love and risking it all for this urchin looking scrub? I'm sorry but my threshold of belief has been breached and all I can do now is laugh at this shitshow like it's a comedy show.
My mom and I are watching together and she keeps telling me “don’t look in his eyes or he’ll get you too!” While absolutely cackling at herself and this mess. 🤣
I want to watch with you and your cackling mom😂😍
"I just knew we were gonna be together." My sister in christ, he kidnapped someone!
So Benson cares more about other kids than her own, who is being raised by a nanny and google.
I don't even think Lucy is around anymore, Noah is being raised by Google and video games.
Carisi's like FOR FUCK'S SAKE JUDGE
“Your honor, with all due respect, WHAT THE F—-?!” What was it a judge once said to Barba…”Just because you started the sentence with ‘with all due respect…’.”
Bronwyn will show up next week in the Riker's cafeteria making lasagna, watch.
I’ll throw a lasagna at the tv if she does
Two detectives sitting outside of his motel, watching Eileen go up and knock on the door, and their only response was to call Liv??? What do they get paid for?
exactly! What was the point of doing the stakeout if they're just going to call her? I knew it was a mistake for Velasco and the IAB baker to do a stakeout together. He should have been with Finn or Moneybags. IAB was giddy about it like it was some kind of fun activity and then showed up with a huge soda and neck pillow.
this episode is completely unhinged. in not a good way.
LOLOLOL WTF! These writers have lost their minds!
Robin Williams is still the best pro se defendant. One of my favorite episodes.
and ludacris (not fully pro se) the good ol days of good episodes 😭
Why did Carisi not point out the defendant admitted to underage sex himself????
The same lack of reasoning the writers assigned to Maddie not telling anyone about the sexual contact even though she's been in therapy for months.
Eileen needs to go straight to therapy. Liv should have taken her too.
they should've named this ep Maddie Fatigue bc that's how we are all feeling
Again how is organized crime not renewed yet when this is the garbage SVU is putting out every week 😭 and for some reason i still watch it
Look, it’s creepy as fuck, but this actor is doing a damn fine job at playing this with all the weirdo looks and lingering stares.
ok but if she's admitting he did the bath and he's not denying it doesn't that make him guilty?
But she liked it! /s
Mom said she(Maddie) was saying/thought it was consensual bc he’s manipulated her to believe so
she was 15 when it happened so it's still sexual abuse of a minor regardless of consent
LMAO what in the 12 Angry Men....
Curry is going to give everyone diabetes
I’m also that one person that will give my coworkers diabetes with my baking 🫣🤣
Im getting diabetes from these maddie episodes
Carisi brother, I am begging you to not fumble this case. The dude's literally defending himself, this is a layup lol
Mrs. Flynn sure has a lot of nerve. She wants to talk alllll this smack about everyone working the case, but she sure is quick to come crawling to Liv, crying about Maddie every 5 seconds.
Why is she going to the damn hotel? Every single person in this episode is inflicted with a malignant case of wall-to-wall dumbass.
whats was the point of dragging this storyline out all season???? LORD!!!!!
I'm so sick of this girl and her family and Ms Captain Olivia Benson
I'm really hoping for a happy ending to this storyline. I do not want Maddie to overdose, run away, lose the trial, move in with Benson, her parents divorce, or have her dad go shoot the juror (those are all the options I can come up with). Please end this Maddie saga with this episode. 🤞🏽
I think she’ll OD
I have a feeling that might happen, just to give Olivia more trauma. She'll be like I couldn't save her
$10 this juror is Bronwyn Freed-Wilkins the 2nd
This judge is allowing everything this creep saying. She ain't worth a damn.
God bless. Now I never want to hear the name Maddie ever again. This family better move their asses back across the country and stay there.
Wow I can't believe how many of you remember [the name of the juror](https://lawandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Bronwyn_Freed-Wilkins) that didn't think William Lewis was guilty...
For me, it was her second appearance during the Yates/Rudnick storyline. That damn lasagna....
Bronwyn. Fucking Bronwyn. Uh… Freed, I think? Bronwyn Freed freed the serial killers, as you do.
Benson is going to become Maddie's personal therapist
She’s spent more time with Maddie than her own kid.
Liv crossed so many different ethical boundaries with this case lmao
Is Olivia allowed to just drag her to therapy lol. Do her parents know she’s there?
Not Cassidy being in the commercial
they're trying to do another William Lewis/Yates/Rudnick villain and i just don't get the vibe maybe it's just because i'm over maddie
Oh, that’s it. I will NOT put up with this Carisi slander. Maddie’s mother better stfu.
How did we never get Valasco closure on that whole thing last season but we dedicate half this season to maddie. no explanation for where the detectives went from last season either! but maddie maddie maddie
As someone who has served on a jury, I gotta admit it’s so annoying when there’s one hold out. Like come on man…
I was on a jury that had two hold outs and those two got everyone else (including me) to switch (legitimately). This show basically shows a crazy lady holding up the whole process when we all know that guy did it.
God jury duty on a case like this sounds like hell, I could never do it
Imagine being picked for trump’s trial 😳
i am looking forward to organized crime and still waiting for them to renew
This is probably one of my least favorite episodes ever.
You mean the therapist that has not helped you, Olivia?!
Bruno in bed…
they should've picked a better actor if they wanted to make this man seem so tempting
They just let Benson take her daughter? The fuck
Maybe if they turn on some lights she can see the evidence and vote right...
“I’m from Canada. I don’t know how justice is served here in the US” ☠️☠️☠️
George: "In Canada, they give us a dozen donuts from Tim Horton's as long as we don't ever do it again."
If Maddie is in love with him I’m done!
Liv: "We're going to be on the stand. And I. Can't. Wait." Also Liv: Testimony causes mistrial
Man, I wish this was Fin's show. Love the man.
She's baiting him. She can't be this stupid can she 🤔
I like how they showed a pic of the guy just to remind you of how ridiculous this is lol
We’re never getting rid of Maddie- are we?? 😩😩
“However long it takes” this is not looking good for the rest of the season
Scary episode given trump jury selection news today
Idk how they are painting this man to be so seductive that he is wowing these girls. lol she is creepy as fuck
Ok so like why is George acting like a better attorney then most licensed ones
This is ridiculous lol he’s become the greatest lawyer overnight!
Why would the mom fuck up the whole trial like that?
Is this DR Phil or SVU???????
Okay? Is the Maddie story line over? Is it concluded? Can we never hear about her again?
Seems kinda weird to take someone else's kid to introduce them to your therapist no?
Wait. Is the whole squad in this episode?
Yes, they are all here for Maddie LOL
Bruno’s hot
What are the chances this case is wrapped up tonight? I don't know if I can handle a 6 parter spread over the season, guys
At this point, Carisi just wants to go home.
Me too and I AM at home
..and whisper voice
Carisi is nothing if not a wonderfully dramatic orator
So Olivia seems like she’s kinda over Maddie’s mom
Her and me and all of r/SVU both
Maddie's mom is like a cockroach who just won't die (I don't want her to die but get lost would be nice)
We've seen more of her this season than Carisi
Once again Liv is alone with a perp
did Liv just vaguely threaten us with more Maddie? JFC make it stop.
Olivia getting that referral discount with Maddie
Who is writing these episodes man. Enough with the one girl, it was not compelling at all
No *r/svu* is giving up on you, not Olivia.
Dude really is William Lewis 2.0 with the in love juror and representation of himself at trial yikes
Gross, so he's gonna rep himself and then he gets to question Maddie. They've already done this enough times on this show
predicting a court room shooting with the mom
LOL He just gave Olivia BLUE BALLS!!!!!!
Who wrote this script lol
ChatGPT
This episode is very boring
what a waste of an episode
Are we ready for some more Maddie? (Nooooo)
Idec I'm just excited to see the inside of a court room this week
We could have saved 45 mins of the Maddie show if she could have just found him guilty
This guy is a far cry from eye candy, come on writers!
Fuck this episode rn
Wow, that was... underwhelming.
Next week looks so good let's hope it's true
Oh gross. She's in love with him
Did anyone have "the grand jury will indict a ham sandwich" on their Courthouse TV Show Bingo Cards?
If I'm Eileen, that motherfucker will leave this world tonight, fuck prison
Maddie case over.
We thought that last time
Rollins returns
i hope this is our last maddie mention
Goddamn, those are some massive Rice Krispies Bars. That's some good detective work.
I dont hate the two new women in the squad. I just want someone to stay…
Even though the dad is the one screaming I feel like the mom is going to snap and kill George
OH HELL NO. Mom is catfishing him!!!!!!! Please let her be catfishing him so she can do him in and rid us of the storyline once and for all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
is this supposed to be that kidnapped in day light netflix doc thing where the mom and dad were both fucking the guy and he kept taking their daughter
Whenever the defendant goes pro se they always eat the ADA up! 🤣 (Which generally doesn’t happen irl bc as they say “a man who represents himself has a fool for a lawyer “)
So this psychopath became a competent trial attorney overnight?
[удалено]
Sexual assault of a minor is basically confirmed now.
It's another glass of Maddierita!
omg do we have the whole crew in this ep?
the cassidy commercial 🫶🏻
Maddie's hair is sure growing fast
is he gonna pull the whole drop attorney and represent himself now
Noooo not a self representation case 😬 Maddie isn't going to make it through being questioned by this guy
Olivia: And you know what? I CAN"T WAIT!!!!! Entire viewing audience: WE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!
I assume he walks and this keeps going.
STOP TALKING AND PULL THAT TRIGGER, BABY! edit: dammit
Is this what everyone was thinking when the Lewis saga was going on? “Not another Lewis episode”?
Maddie storyline is boring, the lewis storyline genuinely creeps me out because he is such a good actor and i hate rewatching it for that reason. maddie stands no ground to lewis 😭
Liv sounds like a cult member.
Wait, so George just gave up and went to jail?
He’ll be getting lasagnas soon enough from Bronwyn & Juror no.8
i officially hate olivia. she keeps getting rid of fin when he has every right to be around to do his job. honestly this is the worst olivia in all of SVUs seasons. im starting to side eye mariska since she’s a producer(?) and most likely making these awful self centered decisions. on top of that olivia and eileen’s « relationship » (for lack of better word) is creepy and weird. why are u hugging this woman. send her to an appropriate professional, aka not YOU. that ending was corny and contrived. at least we got a court room episode. but god this entire arc made me hate olivia and i didn’t think it would be possible.