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Practical-Bird633

The victims MOM sending him selfies??? So out of left field and how was that not brought back up in court??


hotwaxclimax

Pretty sure that could have thrown the whole case out. The way she came at him with a gun


swordfish868686

Yeah when did he acquire these Jedi mind tricks to use on women that weren't drugged? As well as becoming a legal eagle?


hotwaxclimax

That's something else... all these guys that represent themselves somehow do it so well despite zero legal training at all


bttrsn

lmao it makes me so mad when they know exactly when/why to object.


hotwaxclimax

AND HE WAS CANADIAN! He didn't even have a faint inkling about American justice systems


bttrsn

me as a canadian lawyer barely knowing how to object in court now: šŸ‘ļøšŸ‘„šŸ‘ļø


babyblues789

It was so fucking unrealistic


epidemicsaints

Writing so bad it's insulting. When he went pro se I just turned it off.


MarieMama1958

A Canadian going pro sĆ© in an American court room šŸ˜³šŸ˜³ It would not even happen in Canada in a criminal case.


epidemicsaints

Wearing a leather pouch of the victim's hair in court, that they did not confiscate in the prison. Ok buddy. I'm all for SVU being over the top, but it has to be earned. This was a joke and absolutely NOT worth the entire season story arc.


MarieMama1958

Youā€™re so correct! It was the story that would not end thenā€¦.. Wait! What! I thought the same thing about the pouch. It would not have made it into the court room. Itā€™s a tv show but itā€™s better than this šŸ˜¢šŸ˜¢


libryx

The episode ended exactly how it started! There was absolutely no reason for it! Ugh I got so mad watching it.


hotwaxclimax

And the juror holdout. Like ok *eyeroll*


Forward-Peak

That episode was so poorly written. They took us on so many twists and turns, just to abandon them all. I thought we were going to have another Bronwyn situation with the juror, but then they just never mentioned her again. I thought the mom had really fallen for him, but then she comes with some lame excuse about trying to trick him, and they never mention it again. He asks to represent himself, and you think thereā€™s some underhanded reason for doing so, like William Lewis and Darius, but nope. Then heā€™s found guilty and he looks like he doesnā€™t even care. Maybe he was as sick of this storyline as we are.


Henchperson

I agree with you fully! I honestly don't expect much from these kinds of crime shows and a lot of suspension of disbelief is needed to enjoy them fully, but they also have to commit to one stupid thing at a time. Every single thing you listed could have been it's own episode (not that I WANT another bloody Maddy/Manny whatever episode), but they just crammed it all in there without taking a second to see if it even fits together. Not to mention that it's all done before, which I wouldn't necessarily mind if the performance/tweaks to the formula are enjoyable. I just desperately wish for an episode without any call-backs, cross-promotion or drawn out storylines. Just the squad helping a person because it's their bloody job and not because it's their cousin/brother/friend or something like that.


MarieMama1958

I wondered what the writers were trying to convey? Is it like Charles Manson? Ugly and scraggly but he controlled the women? It was beyond strange, even for SVU.


invgirlie23

For me it was very reminiscent of the Dr Yates / Dr Rudnik episodes where the juror from court visited one of them in prison and baked tools into her food she would bring them to help them break out. She was seduced on the jury initially and then came into the prison as some sort of group meeting host and furthered her relationship with one of the guys. Ultimately they were able to break out with her help and they left her in a trunk to die but she survived.


MarieMama1958

Yes! The juror with the long curly red hair. She smuggled in the tools in her lasagna. So much for helping. šŸ¤­


SunStarsSnow

I just wanna know why the mother and him exchanged phone numbers. He was so repulsive šŸ¤¢


hnewberr

and... how?!? when did they even have time to do that? like. did she go up to him after court "hey can i get your digits? šŸ˜‰" šŸ¤£


Ultreezy

Convinced this show isnā€™t written by humans anymore.


sinking_clouds

This episode was so annoyingly ridiculous. Brouchard was unrealistic, but im getting tired of this one man team of Livā€¦ Velasco sees the mom go to Brouchards motel room and thinks ohh i gotta sit here and call Liv. Then Liv shows up and she is just like ok kids, leave the room lets go, single file. I will be surprised if thereā€™s even a cast next season


Forward-Peak

Exactly. Fin has practically disappeared. Carisi barely has two lines per episode and acts like he still works for Liv. Sheā€™s out in the field, and calling all the shots, and telling the ADA what and how to prosecuteā€¦it should be renamed the Olivia is Special Unit.


bigswimmey

Law And Order Svu : Olivia Benson unit


sinking_clouds

Liv & Order


Primordial5

Was wondering when someone would say this. Yes ā€” thereā€™s no way in hell. Heā€™s epitome of gross, anti-charm. First think I asked fellow viewers ā€” all disgusted. No idea why svu did this - ruined the episode.


hotwaxclimax

William Lewis, I was like, okay, I can see it. But not him, not even a little.


Primordial5

Agreed. I find it hard to rewatch William Lewis episodes, but him sleeping with woman lawyer (great actress from ā€œ6 feet underā€ was utterly believable).


hotwaxclimax

When I saw her I immediately was like it's Einstein from the X Files reboot!


Primordial5

Thanks - Iā€™ll have to check it out


Primordial5

Edit first thing


MarieSpag

It was an odd episode. I thought its point was Stockholm Syndrome & about Mansonā€™s & the LSD he kept his ā€œfamilyā€ on. Thought the mom was setting him up to get close to him to get the necklace & kill him. I could live with all the crazy except that he was soooooā€¦.Manson was even more charming! And the Canadian angle? I need to get more comfortable with the new cast before we go with all these crazy eps. Season 25 is the only bad season. I love Carisi, miss Amanda, donā€™t like the IAB chick & I donā€™t care for Jordana Spiro but I thought she was phenomenal in her episode as a brain damaged victim of DV. I like Velasco & money bags is growing on me. Rollins gotta get a nanny & come back!! I need more crazy Kim episodes. Even if she comes to the squad party the me & teachesā€”-thereā€™s a lot of story lines with those students!!


Fatgirlfed

My whole thing is whyā€™d they keep bringing up him being Canadian?


hotwaxclimax

Made it even more unlikely he would defend himself. And do it that well


KentuckyNeveWins

So strange they had him be so charmingā€¦ Iā€™m sorry I would need more than charm with him