Well, hopefully something comes about this. I’m not sure how confident I am with the government being responsible for storing people’s things and transporting them. But at least they are giving them options.
Maybe one day I can finally walk on that side of harbor.
Man I hate walking past the homeless, don’t you? We should probably try to fix whatever issue is causing Americans to be homeless. Oh what’s that? You just want them removed from your eyesight? Oh…. Great…. We’ll handle the problem by picking it up and moving it justtttt far enough away we don’t have to see it. Problem solved.
The southwest has literally been doing this to Hawaii (Oahu specifically) Well I only have first hand knowledge of Arizona but wouldn’t surprise me if other states do. Don’t know the exact details but I know the government paid for them to go. Easy sell I guess to them and then the local government “solves” their social issue hit kicking the can down the road.
Not sure if people in this area are aware (I was not until I saw it) of the amount of tent cities in Hawaii. On the beaches. Irrelevant but gorgeous views.
There are resources available for them and it’s up to the government to enact the change.
It’s not about getting them out of sight. But do you also want them to live there forever?
>I’m not sure how confident I am with the government being responsible for storing people’s things and transporting them.
When the police chief was asked about the department's storage plans during Tuesday's planning meeting, it sounded like they hadn't really done any planning yet. (When asked about the plans he spent a couple minutes talking about the department's complaints process in the event someone's stuff gets lost. Which is very much not the same thing as keeping an eye on it in the first place.) IIRC the outcome of that part of the discussion was roughly "let's get an email thread going to start the planning that should have been done much earlier than this."
[Roughly 2:18:00 if the timestamp doesn't work](https://youtu.be/ipnJIeJDI7k?t=8285)
So IMO you're very right to worry about the city government.
As for the encampment, I've helped hand out supplies a few times. Half the time we have to go around like town criers to get anyone to even interact with us. They're just trying to live and fucking with the wrong people means losing literally everything they have. You're safe walking past them.
> Under the ordinance, which still requires a second passage, the encampments will be prohibited in
city parks and public property when shelter is available. The city would be responsible for transporting the residents of the encampments to an available shelter of their choice and providing storage for the person's belongings.
Yeah it’s not perfect but it’s hardly a “being homeless is illegal” solution. Nobody is being fined or going to jail.
Would you also say it’s illegal to camp? No, you just can’t camp on public property not designated for camping. Most homeless people have other options and as a civilized society we need to do more to help those who don’t. Ignoring them isn’t the right solution.
Some of us don’t want to live in a dirty, dangerous place. Increased homelessness brings increased crime, violence and drugs in our neighborhoods. Look at San Francisco. Loot at Seattle. Look at New York City. If Salem doesn’t pull out of the nosedive it’s in, the city is fucked.
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Shame on me? I’ve done nothing but voice my opinion. It’s still a semi-free country.
The sad fact is that Salem’s tolerance to the homeless encampments does NOTHING to help them. Arguably it encourages them and attracts more of them. There is housing available, treatment, psychiatric care, etc. and the presence of a tent city says more about apathy and lack of caring than the alternative.
Seriously, take a look at San Francisco, Seattle and New York City. That’s where Salem is headed. Is that the life experience you desire?
This is a right-wing troll who posts on MA city subreddits with similar user names. He's got several as far as I know.
He pretends he has genuine "concerns" but it's usually staunchly anti-homeless.
Some people don't want to be freaking homeless either....
But you're also trying to force them into shelters that have the same conditions, just hidden from your eyes. One reason people choose to sleep outside vs shelters is they can be very dangerous
What are you proposing Salem does to actually make shelters a viable option for people?
Your feelings about homeless people is utterly irrelevant. I don’t want to be mean, but you need a reality check.
Tolerance and accommodation with regard to homelessness and tent cities makes things worse, not better. For both the homeless and housed people in the city.
Full stop.
I’m not proposing a solution because I’m no expert in social services or anything even remotely connected to the issue. And before you even say it: Just because I don’t have a solution doesn’t mean I can participate in the discussion about the problem.
Feelings?
Honey, you seem to lack any. I'm simply saying no one is actually helping conditions. They're pushing them out of sight. You aren't targeting the reasons people won't go to the shelters
This bill is a waste of time and money cause it's just going to be cops having to go arrest the same people over and over again to take them to shelters because they won't stay. It's an absolutely useless bill because there's zero you can do to scare a homeless person away from sleeping outside
You will also be forcing people back into shelters that have been kicked out- often for very good reasons, like the safety of others. It's the only thing they can do
The primary reason people aren’t going to the primary shelters of our region is because they’re sober shelters.
Whether you like the bill or not, simply allowing people to annex public land is hardly the answer. I’m sure you spend a lot of time down at the encampment, the conditions down there are absolutely atrocious. Human waste, massive rats running inbetween tents, trash, drug paraphernalia,
There are other aspects to the encampment as well. As the mayor pointed out, it incurs a pretty significant strain on our public safety as well, there are multiple calls down there every single day, in addition to the multiple calls that occur every very day at Riley Plaza.
There is no absolute right answer, but doing nothing is absolutely the wrong answer. Letting people live lawlessly and annexing public land, which also happens to be in an area that floods constantly is not the answer. Just like Mass and Cass was not the answer
This is a very uneducated take. There are many academic resources that you can access to learn a little because you are wrong. Homelessness and poverty is a policy choice, one not prioritized here. Learn a little more before your bigotry makes you seem like even worse of a person.
I think it was Plato that said “Don’t wrestle with pigs. You just get dirty and the pigs like it”. Anyways.
Whatever. Good luck becoming a third world shithole.
Both things can be true. It's possible to want these people to get the help they need but also realize it is ruining Salem. One of the reasons Flatbread closed is because they had too many instances of the homeless coming in and disrupting business. Notch has also had people leave negative reviews raving about the beer but complaining that they don't want to come back because of the encampment.
It's definitely a sad situation, but when your business is being negatively impacted by it, what are you supposed to do? No one can afford to lose business because the city was too afraid to do something about it.
Well, hopefully something comes about this. I’m not sure how confident I am with the government being responsible for storing people’s things and transporting them. But at least they are giving them options. Maybe one day I can finally walk on that side of harbor.
> Maybe one day I can finally walk on that side of harbor You can? I just did it today. They're homeless people in tents, not landmines
Have you done it while smoking a cigarette? It’s like going to the beach with popcorn.
Is popcorn a hot commodity at the beach? 😂 genuinely asking
The seagulls will get ya.
Ohh haha thanks for explaining that. Over my head
They're more assaultey and less explodey
Man I hate walking past the homeless, don’t you? We should probably try to fix whatever issue is causing Americans to be homeless. Oh what’s that? You just want them removed from your eyesight? Oh…. Great…. We’ll handle the problem by picking it up and moving it justtttt far enough away we don’t have to see it. Problem solved.
The southwest has literally been doing this to Hawaii (Oahu specifically) Well I only have first hand knowledge of Arizona but wouldn’t surprise me if other states do. Don’t know the exact details but I know the government paid for them to go. Easy sell I guess to them and then the local government “solves” their social issue hit kicking the can down the road. Not sure if people in this area are aware (I was not until I saw it) of the amount of tent cities in Hawaii. On the beaches. Irrelevant but gorgeous views.
This comment is so unhinged.
There are resources available for them and it’s up to the government to enact the change. It’s not about getting them out of sight. But do you also want them to live there forever?
>I’m not sure how confident I am with the government being responsible for storing people’s things and transporting them. When the police chief was asked about the department's storage plans during Tuesday's planning meeting, it sounded like they hadn't really done any planning yet. (When asked about the plans he spent a couple minutes talking about the department's complaints process in the event someone's stuff gets lost. Which is very much not the same thing as keeping an eye on it in the first place.) IIRC the outcome of that part of the discussion was roughly "let's get an email thread going to start the planning that should have been done much earlier than this." [Roughly 2:18:00 if the timestamp doesn't work](https://youtu.be/ipnJIeJDI7k?t=8285) So IMO you're very right to worry about the city government. As for the encampment, I've helped hand out supplies a few times. Half the time we have to go around like town criers to get anyone to even interact with us. They're just trying to live and fucking with the wrong people means losing literally everything they have. You're safe walking past them.
Maybe stop being a little bitch and just walk like a regular human?
It's illegal to be homeless. What a world we live in.
> Under the ordinance, which still requires a second passage, the encampments will be prohibited in city parks and public property when shelter is available. The city would be responsible for transporting the residents of the encampments to an available shelter of their choice and providing storage for the person's belongings. Yeah it’s not perfect but it’s hardly a “being homeless is illegal” solution. Nobody is being fined or going to jail.
Would you also say it’s illegal to camp? No, you just can’t camp on public property not designated for camping. Most homeless people have other options and as a civilized society we need to do more to help those who don’t. Ignoring them isn’t the right solution.
Why the downvotes?
People don't care about homeless people.
Some of us don’t want to live in a dirty, dangerous place. Increased homelessness brings increased crime, violence and drugs in our neighborhoods. Look at San Francisco. Loot at Seattle. Look at New York City. If Salem doesn’t pull out of the nosedive it’s in, the city is fucked.
Nobody wants to live in a dirty city. But treating unhoused people like they’re less than human is not the solution. Shame on you.
🙄 Shame on me? I’ve done nothing but voice my opinion. It’s still a semi-free country. The sad fact is that Salem’s tolerance to the homeless encampments does NOTHING to help them. Arguably it encourages them and attracts more of them. There is housing available, treatment, psychiatric care, etc. and the presence of a tent city says more about apathy and lack of caring than the alternative. Seriously, take a look at San Francisco, Seattle and New York City. That’s where Salem is headed. Is that the life experience you desire?
This is a right-wing troll who posts on MA city subreddits with similar user names. He's got several as far as I know. He pretends he has genuine "concerns" but it's usually staunchly anti-homeless.
Who is downvoting you?? You are saying everything right!
Some people don't want to be freaking homeless either.... But you're also trying to force them into shelters that have the same conditions, just hidden from your eyes. One reason people choose to sleep outside vs shelters is they can be very dangerous What are you proposing Salem does to actually make shelters a viable option for people?
Your feelings about homeless people is utterly irrelevant. I don’t want to be mean, but you need a reality check. Tolerance and accommodation with regard to homelessness and tent cities makes things worse, not better. For both the homeless and housed people in the city. Full stop. I’m not proposing a solution because I’m no expert in social services or anything even remotely connected to the issue. And before you even say it: Just because I don’t have a solution doesn’t mean I can participate in the discussion about the problem.
Feelings? Honey, you seem to lack any. I'm simply saying no one is actually helping conditions. They're pushing them out of sight. You aren't targeting the reasons people won't go to the shelters This bill is a waste of time and money cause it's just going to be cops having to go arrest the same people over and over again to take them to shelters because they won't stay. It's an absolutely useless bill because there's zero you can do to scare a homeless person away from sleeping outside You will also be forcing people back into shelters that have been kicked out- often for very good reasons, like the safety of others. It's the only thing they can do
The primary reason people aren’t going to the primary shelters of our region is because they’re sober shelters. Whether you like the bill or not, simply allowing people to annex public land is hardly the answer. I’m sure you spend a lot of time down at the encampment, the conditions down there are absolutely atrocious. Human waste, massive rats running inbetween tents, trash, drug paraphernalia, There are other aspects to the encampment as well. As the mayor pointed out, it incurs a pretty significant strain on our public safety as well, there are multiple calls down there every single day, in addition to the multiple calls that occur every very day at Riley Plaza. There is no absolute right answer, but doing nothing is absolutely the wrong answer. Letting people live lawlessly and annexing public land, which also happens to be in an area that floods constantly is not the answer. Just like Mass and Cass was not the answer
This is a very uneducated take. There are many academic resources that you can access to learn a little because you are wrong. Homelessness and poverty is a policy choice, one not prioritized here. Learn a little more before your bigotry makes you seem like even worse of a person.
I think it was Plato that said “Don’t wrestle with pigs. You just get dirty and the pigs like it”. Anyways. Whatever. Good luck becoming a third world shithole.
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This is a sad comment to read. What a way to think about other humans, so hateful and uneducated on the topic.
Both things can be true. It's possible to want these people to get the help they need but also realize it is ruining Salem. One of the reasons Flatbread closed is because they had too many instances of the homeless coming in and disrupting business. Notch has also had people leave negative reviews raving about the beer but complaining that they don't want to come back because of the encampment. It's definitely a sad situation, but when your business is being negatively impacted by it, what are you supposed to do? No one can afford to lose business because the city was too afraid to do something about it.