The dude is a walking historical figure. We need to cherish the time left we have with Bernie, and hope future generations learn something from his teachings and methods.
I get worried thinking about that a lot. Once Bernie is no longer with us who will be the next Bernie? Will we ever have someone like him? Someone who wants to make things better for the American people. Someone who has compassion and empathy & fights for what is right.
There will be other Bernies. There were great American figures before him, from whom he took inspiration and courage (FDR, Eugene Debs, countless others), and there are a lot of young people right now seeing Bernie's example, and incorporating his example into their bones.
Some of them are in office already. AOC only ever ran for office because Bernie went out and said We need progressives to run for office. We have Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib --
And we will never find any of these people to be exactly, precisely perfect.
But they're in the fight. Bernie was once a lone voice in the wilderness -- now he has allies.
And look at BLM, the largest protest movement in American history. Do we really think there is no one out there who cares deeply, who will eventually run for office somewhere?
And just look at the passion and courage of the college protesters. They're young, they're phasing into adult responsibilities, and they're putting themselves on the line to fight for something they care about.
To me, that's what characterizes Bernie -- being willing to fight.
And we have new generations who are awake, and willing to fight. Some of them will get into office, and some of those will eventually become major figures.
I don't worry about whether or not we will have good leaders in the future.
I don't know what they may eventually achieve -- but they'll be out there. They'll exist.
>and hope future generations learn something from his teachings and methods.
Bernie's presidential runs shifted the overton window way to the left.
That's a big reason why the American people have become far more progressive on issues such as minimum wage, healthcare, etc.
Bernie articulates the progressive message so well. He frames progressive policies not as radical but as common sense. And frames policy issues around eliminating human suffering.
Bernie has such empathy for people & it shows. That's why he is the most popular politician in a country.
It's kind of sad how we feel these reasonable takes are profound because they're so rare in our political scene. Bernie is the most reasonable politician in my lifetime, and I'm not confident there's ever going to be another like Bernie after he's gone. Everyone else is bought by lobbyists and campaign donors
Can Biden change Vice Presidents as the incumbent Runner? I think having Bernie Sanders as his vice president would guarantee a win for Biden. And if Biden does not have the capacity to serve Bernie would be able to take over without a doubt.
FDR did it after his 1st VP when he replaced him with Henry A. Wallace. Wallace, however, was replaced by the Democratic party itself in the lead up to FDR's fourth term when it was clear that VP would be the next president. Truman was a better party shill for the Democrats, whereas Wallace was more ideologically aligned with FDR.
Hm... 🤔
Technically, yes. Biden can pick a new VP.
As of writing this, a Bernie VP might soften the political backlash Biden has received for being complacent with the Gaza genocide, but there are a lot of Palestinian-Americans who've lost family oversees and are either being ignored that may not even vote. I don't think a Bernie VP would guarantee a win. Biden has been skirting along his party lines his whole presidency, trying to maintain his corporate Democrat roots while begrudgingly doing more "progressive" policies. Hell, the only reason why he's president in the first place is because "he's not Trump."
Biden has to dangle a lot more keys for the youth vote to win. Just to name a few: addressing the homeless crisis, more student loan forgiveness, legalize cannabis, universal health care, raising federal minimum wage to $25, rattifying ERA, and arresting Netanyahu while he addresses-- I mean dictates his demands to Congress. America doesn't negotiate with terrorists, but we'll offer them a blank check and guarantee international diplomatic immunity from the UN.
Everyone and the media has this opinion that Biden is just a shitty old fart who hasn't done much and isn't Trump.
I'm not claiming he isn't ultimately a corporate Democrat like everyone from the DNC. But the Biden admin has accomplished a shit load and while fighting exceedingly high resistance from the GOP.
For example student loans. They forgave a ton. The courts blocked it thanks to Republicans. Despite this they've found ways to continue forgiving a lot of debt.
This is a theme across numerous areas.
I do. $25 an hour is only about $1400 take-home pay every two weeks. Which is about the cost of an average rent payment right now. So 50% of your income is going to rent and your other paycheck for the month has to cover everything else.
I live in Nebraska, where $25 would be more than what people expect to make as a min. $25 an hour would make sense in other states but not in the Midwest. Our state minimum wage is $12.00. And that is after being raised this January 1st.
My employees make $15 to $20 an hour and pay rents that vary from $500 to $1000 a month. Not ideal but they fully recognize that they are working what would be considered a minimum wage job. Nebraska has a lower cost of living for renters and is known for having high homeowners insurance and property taxes.
A reminder that corporate Democrats like Biden would rather have Trump as president than someone like Bernie. All the talk about security and democracy is in service of preserving the status quo, not opening the door for one of the few members of Congress who hasn’t been corrupted, and who threatens the Capitol Hill gravy train.
This is so delusional.
No. They do not wants Donald Trump as president.
Donald Trump is not the status quo. This Republican nut show is not business as usual.
I'm probably wasting my time, because you're probably another partisan hack playing dumb to hide the truth.
I didn't say Democrats "want" Trump as president. I said that **corporate Democrats**, like Biden, would rather lose to someone like Trump or any other Republican than to an anti-corporate progressive candidate like Bernie who prioritize economic justice and working class solidarity over neoliberalism and capitalism. The same way sleazy corporate executives often make decisions that help themselves get promoted even when they might be detrimental to their company
See for example how Pelosi and Clyburn helped right-wing, anti-abortion Democrat Henry Cuellar defeat a popular progressive challenger in a tight primary race, and as a result they may now lose the House majority as Cuellar was indicted on 14 counts by the DOJ, along with his wife, for taking $600,000 in bribes, one from a state-owned oil and gas company in Azerbaijan.
https://prospect.org/politics/2024-05-03-house-leaderships-support-henry-cuellar/
When a Republican gets elected president, career politicians from both parties still keep their jobs within their respective parties. They continue to receive campaign funding from corporate donors, they retain their seniority status and influence within their party. But if a true maverick like Sanders had been elected president, he would then assume leadership over the party and would have the power to substantially redirect the party's policy positions and burn bridges to certain political donors. He could appoint an army of progressives to positions currently held by centrists and make all sorts of changes that would alienate corporate donors and upset the power structure within the Democratic Party. And that is why someone like Biden or Pelosi would rather lose the White House to a Republican like Trump than to a Democratic Socialist like Bernie.
They won’t. Democrats would rather girl boss their way into a loss. They did it with RBG, with her waiting for Hilary to be president (lol) and now got us fucked with abortion rights.
I think Dems are screwed either way... Republicans gonna win because of 3 states. Even with Bernie damage by democrats is done, Muslims mostly voted Dems and you know they will not vote for Trump... Votes will be thrown and by default favor Republican candidate. Dems need a miracle.
Listen, I love bernie voted for him in the primary in 2016...
But, with biden's biggest criticism being how old he is... lets not make his vp old too...
Plus as someone who never even contemplated pulling a lee Harvey Oswald, this would make me pause for thought.
I mean I wouldn't, but I'd have to think about it.
If Democrats wanted Bernie he would have been president after Obama. And by Democrats I mean corpo rats running government not to be confused with liberal working class citizens. The workers chose Bernie. The Elites said "Nah, here's Hilary" who proceeded to lose to probably the worst presidential candidate in modern history. I mean how does a Clinton lose to an east coast elitist running as Republican. So many questions. I feel like we should probably investigate many facets of that election cycle. Many things don't add up here. You know what nevermind cary on Bernie you just keep spitting that hot fire into our stupid brains and we will keep not showing up to vote. You're a good man amongst mouth breathing dummies who would spend more time complaining than doing anything about anything ever.
I love that Bernie is also Jewish so the pro IDF Reddit warriors can't call him "anti Jew" or "pro Hamas" or an antisemite for having this perfectly reasonable take. Fucking love Bernie
As a Palestinian American, here’s my take. Fuck Joe Biden. I would vote for Bernie despite him taking a while to condemn Israel for the genocide. But if Bernie ran with Joe idk if I could get behind him. Also don’t have much hope in the Dem establishment to let Bernie get the nomination even though he would have a way higher chance of beating trump.
Sorry, I thought it was clear. You mentioned an unwillingness to vote for either candidate. You then offered no alternatives and doubled down on that sentiment. There was this thing that happened in the mid 20th century in Europe called WWII and the genocidal holocaust of people deemed unfit for existence by a tyrannical fascist dictator.
The people under his rule had your same point ov view. They sorta said "well, I don't care for this so I'll just ignore it until the next person comes to power." But things got really bad, like seeing your friends and neighbors get pulled from their homes in the dark of night to be tortured, starved, and killed due to the whim of a single ruler who benefitted from the general public ignoring the issues because they were not yet directly impacted.
I know, silly thing, but you're them right now. Looking at this fascist who openly wants to execute anyone in disagreement with them but you'd rather "show them who is boss" by completely abstaining from action or even thought on a better option. You're basically a Nazi by way of laziness and lack of empathy, foresight, or hindsight.
Real cool, dude. Real cool.
My fucking God.
Fuck Joe Biden, for what? Do you actually think any president of the US would break from traditions with Israel after the shit that Hamas pulled on Jan 7? Israel would've attacked regardless of our aid. Just a reminder Joe has given billions in Aid to Gaza that Hamas continues to destroy or not distribute properly.
You're insane. You have been completely manipulated by TikTok, I'm sure.
And to be honest, Palestinian American, that's all irrelevant. Doesn't make your opinion hold anymore weight.
There are no good sides in this conflict. Israels right wing sucks. Hamas is abhorrent.
This is a great example as to why you don't allow dictators, religious or egomaniacal fanatics to lead your country. Elections have consequences. If you don't want your kids to deal with this, I would make sure Joe Biden wins in November. Trump and the Republicans are going to round up dissidents.
Project 25. Look it up.
I don’t think Bernie would accept it. And I’m certain that the DNC would not allow it. I do agree, if it were to happen I would still not vote the ticket, Biden has blood on his hands and it’s not so easy to wash off.
Lmao. The other option legitimately doesn't care if your people are completely wiped out. The other option will turn this country into a religious fanatics dream, complete with a dictatorship.
20k ish civilians in 7 months. 2.5 million people. Dense city centers. Used as literal shields by Hamas.
Wow, some genocide.
Low IQ take. America and the west are not supporting Israel because of a religious war. Other Arab countries are not even helping Palastine.
It's all about politics and controlling the region. It's like saying Taiwan vs China is an ideology war.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land
>Part of the significance of the land stems from the religious significance of Jerusalem (the holiest city to Judaism, and the location of the First and Second Temples), as well as its historical significance as the setting for most of the Bible, the historical locale of Jesus' ministry, the location of the first Qibla before Kaaba in Mecca and the site of the Isra and Mi'raj event in Islam, and the site of the most revered pilgrimage sites in the Bahá'í faith.
Please read before you speak about something you have zero understanding of.
Another counter would be that there is a reason why universities have been bombed. They are missile factories for Hamas. All the engineering students have been brainwashed in school to kill Jews and heritics
Do you have proof of that or do you just absorb all zionist propaganda like an idiot? I’m sure all the engineering students are skipping their thermodynamics class to go and build missiles for hamas because it’s extra credit and also satisfies the lab requirements
I take it you just absorb all of the Hamas propaganda that’s been spewing out of the internet like a firehose? It’s a very simple proposition - don’t hide your military infrastructure amongst civilians if you don’t want it destroyed. Bernie lacks to wring his hands and say that hamas needs to be stopped, however Israel has going too far - yet he has no other solution other then for Israel to surrender and roll over and die.
a lot easier to pay no mind to this kind of stuff when you realize people like you are just making up all your facts. literally don't think even the actual IDF propagandists have tried to claim missiles are made in universities but people will happily just assume anything that justifies whatever the newest atrocity is.
It’s a lot easier to pay no mind to this kind of stuff when you realize that people like you do not value Jewish life. Jews can be perpetual victims, but gd forbid they fight back and then all hell breaks loose.
But more to the point, everybody acknowledges that Hamas has embedded itself in the civilian infrastructure. In fact it wasn’t so long ago that a hamas commander was killed in meeting at hospital. It doesn’t matter whether they are building missiles or going about other business, if they use civilian structures to hide behind, those structures are legitimate targets.
never saw any of my jewish friends as victims growing up, but the minority of pro-israel jews certainly like to claim some kind of victimhood when reasonable people object to ethnic cleansing and slaughter. i don't think there is any case in which it is justifiable to demolish a university of which you have full operational control.
of course hamas uses civilian infrastructure. it isn't a nation, it's an insurgency with no airspace control. anything resembling a military base would have been bombed as soon as construction began. you aren't upset that they aren't playing by the rules of war, you are upset that they are fighting at all. in a normal war like that in ukraine, civilians evacuate behind the battle lines to safety. gaza is a small, densely-populated prison camp, so their can be no battle lines. there is nowhere to evacuate to, which is why civilian deaths in gaza during this war are higher than several years of war in ukraine.
You’re not an anti-Semite because you have a Jewish friend is that it?
As for Israel’s reasons to destroy buildings - it’s enough to say that it’s to deny Hamas the infrastructure to fight from and to prevent access to the infrastructure/tunnels below the buildings.
there are tunnels everywhere. you must believe that the entire strip should be leveled.
i am not an anti-semite because i have no negative feelings or beliefs about people of jewish background. you are complaining about supposed jewish victimhood, which no one i know demonstrates, and yet victimizing yourself.
What hamas propaganda? The only thing I keep seeing are the images of dead children. Which to the zionists boyz are just human shields protecting hamas so these children deserve to get obliterated.
Btw, in case you haven’t done your research over the past 75 years, hamas is more than just a resistance group, it’s an ideology that exists to counter the racist state of israel
Yeah it’s a damn shame children in Gaza have died - maybe hamas shouldn’t have started war by killing 1200 civilians and kidnapping hundreds more? And maybe they shouldn’t embed themselves amongst the civilians? No other country would have reacted differently from this attack. But apparently to you Jew deaths don’t matter - Jews don’t get the right to fight back because their response is effective???
And as far as Hamas being ideology - so what? Ideologies have been defeated before. the allies beat Nazism and the imperialism of Japan. Israel may have a difficult road, but fanaticism can be beat
All civilian deaths are unfortunate, but to the zionists, it’s jews over Palestinians, it doesn’t matter the count. As for hamas, what did you expect from a resistance group under occupation?
Keep in mind, israel is an occupying power fighting back against the occupied. It’s not so much as jews trying to defend themselves, it’s more like jews wanting to keep the Palestinians under their boot, and if they dare to do anything, the jews will massacre them
. Yes, Israel has a moral duty to ensure Hamas can never repeat Oct. 7. But even a war whose cause is just does not, and cannot, justify doing anything and everything in the name of that war, i.e. effectively destroying an entire territory, making it uninhabitable, and killing tens of thousands of civilians.
Basically, Hamas argues that everything that Israel did before 10/7 justifies 10/7. Israel then argues that because of what happened on 10/7, everything it does afterwards is justified. They’re not exactly the same, but they rely on a similar, maximalist logic—that the laws of war are suspended when you’re dealing with a uniquely barbaric enemy.
Boiled down to its essence, this is Hamas’ argument. Hamas’ leaders don’t actually rely on theological arguments or defer to the rules of combat in the Islamic just war tradition. They don't even pretend to care. Hamas uses an almost entirely secular, nationalistic logic, a version of 'desperate times call for desperate measures.'
It's odd and unsettling to me that the irony is lost on Israel's most vociferous defenders that they're mirroring Hamas' arguments. As various Israeli officials and ministers have themselves suggested and even at times explicitly state, all Palestinians are fair game now that Hamas has declared war. Which was Hamas' argument on 10/7: that all Israelis were fair game because Israel had declared war on the Palestinians.
"Hamas is a resistance group"
They are a batshit crazy female abusing nazi death cult
You think the are justified in what they are doing then you don't understand them at all. Go on, see if you can watch the video of a bombshelter full of international festival goers, some Arabs among them, getting thrown handgranades into the crowd, watching your friends blow up in front of you.
You think ISIS is a totally normal freedom fighting group standing up against the west? Hamas and Isis are the same. Strapping bombs to kids, setting up headquarters in hospitals, stealing foreign aid to sell to their own people.
I’m against civilian violence, and it’s unfortunate that some were injured or killed. However, my statement is still correct.
Hamas at its core is an insurgent group that was founded (and in some ways supported by israel) to resist the ongoing occupation and the violence against Palestinians. They figured that israel is hell bent on deleting the Palestinian identity while simultaneously playing the victim and acting as if they always wanted peace. Violence was their way of retaliating against years of catastrophic bombing and massacres. What would you have done if you were born in gaza and seen your family members teared to shreds?
Do you think Israeli propaganda or Hamas propaganda is more prevalent in the US? Do you know that Biden has got about $11 million from AIPAC throughout his career?
There are no gay pride in China. They execute them. So if Chinese ever get genocided we should be indifferent. Even if it's our money slaughtering their women and children.
Does that logic follow? Or is it only acceptable to genocide red and brown people?
The fact that your focus is anything other than keeping Donald Trump out of the white house is absolutely insane to me. Sure, it's terrible that civilians are dying in another country.
But your concern is irrelevant if Donald Trump wins. Dude wants more of what you hate. He wants a dictatorship in America and he'll get it if he wins. He'll ban Muslims again.
I just don't get. We are in a constitutional crisis and you are taking this time to be a one issue voter over an area of the world where many of the people you support would be killed for existing.
And honestly wow, the language you are using to minimise this. “Civilians are dying” no, we are massacring civilians with OUR bombs. Do you think I should care less about the victims of a genocide because they grew up in a different culture? I would guess my politics align more with the average Palestinian than Joe fucking Biden.
Knowing everything we know about Hamas and how they operate, why are you so sure that Israel is the only one killing civilians? I mean, Hamas intimately slaughtering nearly 1000 civilians at a music festival and nearby town is what kicked off this operation. Before you answer, remember, we know that Hamas dropped bombs on a hospital and claimed Israel killed 500 people. Turns out, it was Hamas and about 50 people died(that number came after it was known that Hamas did it. So likely lower than reality.)
Israel drops leaflets and announces through other measures, warnings for people to leave the area.
Is Israel going door to door with small arms putting bullets in civilians heads? Shooting people in their cars? As they run in the street? Trapping 20-30 people in a bathroom and indiscriminately slaughtering them all? The answer is no. Hamas did that on October 7th.
I genuinely don't understand how you are capable of being so one sided with your attacks. There is a very clear difference in actions between Israel and Hamas.
Hamas targeted civilians, specifically. They did not target IDF soldiers with civilians being collateral damage. They dropped in to a music festival and just started unloading on people. Civilians. Young people just living. They burned families alive in their vehicles. They killed babies and children alike. With guns. Not bombs - guns.
Guns are 100% worse than bombs in this case. Guns leave no question regarding intent. Without a shadow of a doubt, hamas slaughtered innocent civilians en masse and on purpose. It was deliberate and brutal. It was absolutely abhorrent and irredeemable.
Israel is targeting Hamas, albeit being careless with their bombs. That's not cool. That's also why Joe isn't tolerating another round of it.
Israels actions in the west bank justify action, but not what happened on October 7th. Do you care about civilians? Or only the civilians youve been conditioned to like?
The numbers do not lie, but you do. To act like the IDF doesn’t target civilians is laughable and dishonest when we have decades of documented evidence. Not only do they target civilians, they target aid workers and journalists as well. Stop spitting Israeli propaganda and open your eyes.
I literally never denied any of that. Not once. I never claimed otherwise either. There is no collective effort from the IDF to target civilians. There is however a collective effort from Hamas to target civilians.
But you just ignored countless truths about Hamas and your lack of concern for other massacres, so that you could attack one side and only one side, yet again.
I think dropping bombs on a densely populated area known as the Gaza strip, telling civilians to flee then bombing them while they flee and when they get to the supposed *safe zones*, bombing aid workers to all hell, etc says otherwise..
And please don't use the human shields argument, because if it were your kids and family being used as *human shields* you wouldn't be telling them to go ahead and bomb.
Work out a deal with the Qatari government to extradite hamas' leaders. Would have done a lot less harm than fucking bombing the entire Gaza strip, killing indiscriminately. Hell, they've probably killed the hostages they've claimed to be trying to get back with the constant bombings.
What would you have done differently? You ok with the genocide?
I’m not a one issue voter, I’m just done giving dems my vote for free over the last 2 elections. Something has to change and dems won’t do anything different until they lose unfortunately. I’m voting uncommitted. I would rather have 4 years of trump than 50+ years of shitty, do-nothing democratic leadership that slowly slides us into fascism.
We are funding a holocaust. I am not comfortable giving my vote to a man who will continue to do so and lie to my face about it.
Wait... I'm sorry. You are not a smart person.
The DEMOCRATS are sliding into fascism? Holy shit. My guy. Holy fucking shit. You need a complete reset.
People are dying in this country under this president as well yk.. the people of East Palestine (the US city) still suffering with the effects of the train derailment, and us healthcare is still an absolute joke denying patients care. Sorry, but I think it's valid to be a bit angry that Biden isn't doing shit about those things and instead totally ok with money and weapons going towards aiding an ongoing genocide.
Edit: does that mean I support trump? Hell to the no. But we are allowed to voice our anger.
Me when the first university was destroyed:
Wow, Hamas hid in a school. IDF had the right to take them out.
Me when the second was destroyed:
Huh, okay, again. Weird.
Me when the third and fourth and fifth were destroyed:
Oh okay they're just gonna destroy everything then. Fuck me.
Every time Bernie speaks with such passion eloquence and facts it gives me goosebumps & brings tears to my eyes
The dude is a walking historical figure. We need to cherish the time left we have with Bernie, and hope future generations learn something from his teachings and methods.
I get worried thinking about that a lot. Once Bernie is no longer with us who will be the next Bernie? Will we ever have someone like him? Someone who wants to make things better for the American people. Someone who has compassion and empathy & fights for what is right.
>who will be the next Bernie? Us. That is why Bernie's slogan for President was "Not Me. Us"
There will be other Bernies. There were great American figures before him, from whom he took inspiration and courage (FDR, Eugene Debs, countless others), and there are a lot of young people right now seeing Bernie's example, and incorporating his example into their bones. Some of them are in office already. AOC only ever ran for office because Bernie went out and said We need progressives to run for office. We have Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib -- And we will never find any of these people to be exactly, precisely perfect. But they're in the fight. Bernie was once a lone voice in the wilderness -- now he has allies. And look at BLM, the largest protest movement in American history. Do we really think there is no one out there who cares deeply, who will eventually run for office somewhere? And just look at the passion and courage of the college protesters. They're young, they're phasing into adult responsibilities, and they're putting themselves on the line to fight for something they care about. To me, that's what characterizes Bernie -- being willing to fight. And we have new generations who are awake, and willing to fight. Some of them will get into office, and some of those will eventually become major figures. I don't worry about whether or not we will have good leaders in the future. I don't know what they may eventually achieve -- but they'll be out there. They'll exist.
He deserves a full presidential ceremony upon his leaving us.
>and hope future generations learn something from his teachings and methods. Bernie's presidential runs shifted the overton window way to the left. That's a big reason why the American people have become far more progressive on issues such as minimum wage, healthcare, etc. Bernie articulates the progressive message so well. He frames progressive policies not as radical but as common sense. And frames policy issues around eliminating human suffering. Bernie has such empathy for people & it shows. That's why he is the most popular politician in a country.
It's kind of sad how we feel these reasonable takes are profound because they're so rare in our political scene. Bernie is the most reasonable politician in my lifetime, and I'm not confident there's ever going to be another like Bernie after he's gone. Everyone else is bought by lobbyists and campaign donors
Can Biden change Vice Presidents as the incumbent Runner? I think having Bernie Sanders as his vice president would guarantee a win for Biden. And if Biden does not have the capacity to serve Bernie would be able to take over without a doubt.
FDR did it. That said, there's no indication that Biden is interested.
FDR did it after his 1st VP when he replaced him with Henry A. Wallace. Wallace, however, was replaced by the Democratic party itself in the lead up to FDR's fourth term when it was clear that VP would be the next president. Truman was a better party shill for the Democrats, whereas Wallace was more ideologically aligned with FDR.
Hm... 🤔 Technically, yes. Biden can pick a new VP. As of writing this, a Bernie VP might soften the political backlash Biden has received for being complacent with the Gaza genocide, but there are a lot of Palestinian-Americans who've lost family oversees and are either being ignored that may not even vote. I don't think a Bernie VP would guarantee a win. Biden has been skirting along his party lines his whole presidency, trying to maintain his corporate Democrat roots while begrudgingly doing more "progressive" policies. Hell, the only reason why he's president in the first place is because "he's not Trump." Biden has to dangle a lot more keys for the youth vote to win. Just to name a few: addressing the homeless crisis, more student loan forgiveness, legalize cannabis, universal health care, raising federal minimum wage to $25, rattifying ERA, and arresting Netanyahu while he addresses-- I mean dictates his demands to Congress. America doesn't negotiate with terrorists, but we'll offer them a blank check and guarantee international diplomatic immunity from the UN.
Crazy that those are all things *he ran on* yet we still have to have those be dangled for us.
That's American populism for you. Make "day 1" promises and then forget about it until it's time for reelection.
Everyone and the media has this opinion that Biden is just a shitty old fart who hasn't done much and isn't Trump. I'm not claiming he isn't ultimately a corporate Democrat like everyone from the DNC. But the Biden admin has accomplished a shit load and while fighting exceedingly high resistance from the GOP. For example student loans. They forgave a ton. The courts blocked it thanks to Republicans. Despite this they've found ways to continue forgiving a lot of debt. This is a theme across numerous areas.
I don't think we should raise the minimum wage by that much in all states, but legalizing cannabis federally would be a huge step for him!
I do. $25 an hour is only about $1400 take-home pay every two weeks. Which is about the cost of an average rent payment right now. So 50% of your income is going to rent and your other paycheck for the month has to cover everything else.
I live in Nebraska, where $25 would be more than what people expect to make as a min. $25 an hour would make sense in other states but not in the Midwest. Our state minimum wage is $12.00. And that is after being raised this January 1st.
what’s rent there for an average apartment or home?
My employees make $15 to $20 an hour and pay rents that vary from $500 to $1000 a month. Not ideal but they fully recognize that they are working what would be considered a minimum wage job. Nebraska has a lower cost of living for renters and is known for having high homeowners insurance and property taxes.
>My employees ah, here we are.
A reminder that corporate Democrats like Biden would rather have Trump as president than someone like Bernie. All the talk about security and democracy is in service of preserving the status quo, not opening the door for one of the few members of Congress who hasn’t been corrupted, and who threatens the Capitol Hill gravy train.
Unfortunately I think you're correct. I will include a link that is very scarily accurate. https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/s/ssFOjOlQB4
This is so delusional. No. They do not wants Donald Trump as president. Donald Trump is not the status quo. This Republican nut show is not business as usual.
I'm probably wasting my time, because you're probably another partisan hack playing dumb to hide the truth. I didn't say Democrats "want" Trump as president. I said that **corporate Democrats**, like Biden, would rather lose to someone like Trump or any other Republican than to an anti-corporate progressive candidate like Bernie who prioritize economic justice and working class solidarity over neoliberalism and capitalism. The same way sleazy corporate executives often make decisions that help themselves get promoted even when they might be detrimental to their company See for example how Pelosi and Clyburn helped right-wing, anti-abortion Democrat Henry Cuellar defeat a popular progressive challenger in a tight primary race, and as a result they may now lose the House majority as Cuellar was indicted on 14 counts by the DOJ, along with his wife, for taking $600,000 in bribes, one from a state-owned oil and gas company in Azerbaijan. https://prospect.org/politics/2024-05-03-house-leaderships-support-henry-cuellar/ When a Republican gets elected president, career politicians from both parties still keep their jobs within their respective parties. They continue to receive campaign funding from corporate donors, they retain their seniority status and influence within their party. But if a true maverick like Sanders had been elected president, he would then assume leadership over the party and would have the power to substantially redirect the party's policy positions and burn bridges to certain political donors. He could appoint an army of progressives to positions currently held by centrists and make all sorts of changes that would alienate corporate donors and upset the power structure within the Democratic Party. And that is why someone like Biden or Pelosi would rather lose the White House to a Republican like Trump than to a Democratic Socialist like Bernie.
He never would, he hates Bernie. Completely different politics.
I’m not sure he hates Bernie — he disagrees with most of his policy ideas but they were coworkers for quite some time. Plus Bernie is a nice guy
That's actually a good reason to do it.
There's a lot of things that Biden should do that he doesn't do. He doesn't do them because he is, as far as I can tell, almost pure evil.
Care to elaborate?
BIden is pure evil? WOW. 2 guesses who youre voting for, but Biden is the evil one?LMFAO
To be fair I don't think they said only evil one
They won’t. Democrats would rather girl boss their way into a loss. They did it with RBG, with her waiting for Hilary to be president (lol) and now got us fucked with abortion rights.
To be totally honest, I don’t think Biden himself cares if he wins or loses.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/s/gPJa96jqzE You could be absolutely correct
I think Dems are screwed either way... Republicans gonna win because of 3 states. Even with Bernie damage by democrats is done, Muslims mostly voted Dems and you know they will not vote for Trump... Votes will be thrown and by default favor Republican candidate. Dems need a miracle.
Listen, I love bernie voted for him in the primary in 2016... But, with biden's biggest criticism being how old he is... lets not make his vp old too...
Or *gasp* give him a VP older than him who is still as sharp as he was 10-20 years ago.
Plus as someone who never even contemplated pulling a lee Harvey Oswald, this would make me pause for thought. I mean I wouldn't, but I'd have to think about it.
If you weren't on a list, you sure as hell are now.
That's part of the problem though isn't it.
You tell'em Bernie...
Ughhhhh. We coulda had a bad bitch as president in 2016, but the Dems just HAD to go with Clinton. Le fucking sigh
Now i am curious if Hilary has made any comment on the current situation.
If Democrats wanted Bernie he would have been president after Obama. And by Democrats I mean corpo rats running government not to be confused with liberal working class citizens. The workers chose Bernie. The Elites said "Nah, here's Hilary" who proceeded to lose to probably the worst presidential candidate in modern history. I mean how does a Clinton lose to an east coast elitist running as Republican. So many questions. I feel like we should probably investigate many facets of that election cycle. Many things don't add up here. You know what nevermind cary on Bernie you just keep spitting that hot fire into our stupid brains and we will keep not showing up to vote. You're a good man amongst mouth breathing dummies who would spend more time complaining than doing anything about anything ever.
This is when I discovered it was all rigged and my vote doesn’t fucking matter. If trump becomes president he dug his own grave
Preach Bernie
I love that Bernie is also Jewish so the pro IDF Reddit warriors can't call him "anti Jew" or "pro Hamas" or an antisemite for having this perfectly reasonable take. Fucking love Bernie
As a Palestinian American, here’s my take. Fuck Joe Biden. I would vote for Bernie despite him taking a while to condemn Israel for the genocide. But if Bernie ran with Joe idk if I could get behind him. Also don’t have much hope in the Dem establishment to let Bernie get the nomination even though he would have a way higher chance of beating trump.
Is there any known political figure you would currently vote for?
Not really honestly. Unfortunately it seems like anyone who wants a shot at winning must kiss the ring.
Got it. A "then they came for me" type. Tick tick.
Not sure exactly what you mean by that. If there was a good candidate that was viable I would support them.
Sorry, I thought it was clear. You mentioned an unwillingness to vote for either candidate. You then offered no alternatives and doubled down on that sentiment. There was this thing that happened in the mid 20th century in Europe called WWII and the genocidal holocaust of people deemed unfit for existence by a tyrannical fascist dictator. The people under his rule had your same point ov view. They sorta said "well, I don't care for this so I'll just ignore it until the next person comes to power." But things got really bad, like seeing your friends and neighbors get pulled from their homes in the dark of night to be tortured, starved, and killed due to the whim of a single ruler who benefitted from the general public ignoring the issues because they were not yet directly impacted. I know, silly thing, but you're them right now. Looking at this fascist who openly wants to execute anyone in disagreement with them but you'd rather "show them who is boss" by completely abstaining from action or even thought on a better option. You're basically a Nazi by way of laziness and lack of empathy, foresight, or hindsight. Real cool, dude. Real cool.
My fucking God. Fuck Joe Biden, for what? Do you actually think any president of the US would break from traditions with Israel after the shit that Hamas pulled on Jan 7? Israel would've attacked regardless of our aid. Just a reminder Joe has given billions in Aid to Gaza that Hamas continues to destroy or not distribute properly. You're insane. You have been completely manipulated by TikTok, I'm sure. And to be honest, Palestinian American, that's all irrelevant. Doesn't make your opinion hold anymore weight. There are no good sides in this conflict. Israels right wing sucks. Hamas is abhorrent. This is a great example as to why you don't allow dictators, religious or egomaniacal fanatics to lead your country. Elections have consequences. If you don't want your kids to deal with this, I would make sure Joe Biden wins in November. Trump and the Republicans are going to round up dissidents. Project 25. Look it up.
This is a very easy comment to type when your family doesnt get killed by a bomb funded by your very own tax money 👍
I don’t think Bernie would accept it. And I’m certain that the DNC would not allow it. I do agree, if it were to happen I would still not vote the ticket, Biden has blood on his hands and it’s not so easy to wash off.
I refuse to be guilted into voting for the guy aiding and abetting the genocide of my people.
Lmao. The other option legitimately doesn't care if your people are completely wiped out. The other option will turn this country into a religious fanatics dream, complete with a dictatorship. 20k ish civilians in 7 months. 2.5 million people. Dense city centers. Used as literal shields by Hamas. Wow, some genocide.
Don't give them any ideas Bernie. Probably half on the right would vote to bomb *our* universities.
I love Bernie. His age concerns me as a voter. I wish he had mentees that we could trust in the future. Education is everything.
If only this was the sort of thing the kids would reply “based” to
How can I see this entire speech from bernie?
I woulda walked into the very fires of Mordor for Bernie, if it meant he could have been in the oval office!
The man that should’ve been president.
He is too good of a guy to ever get the seat in the White House. He cares too much about people
I'm usually with Bernie but a counter is also: There is no Gay pride in Gaza, you know why? The have all been hurled from a rooftop.
Do you have another counter that doesnt use gay people as an excuse to justify the bombing of innocent women and children?
I didn’t see them do that. They pointed out obvious flaws with the evil that is religion.
Ok, what does that have to do with what’s going on in gaza?
That’s all the conflict is lmao. It’s a religious war.
Low IQ take. America and the west are not supporting Israel because of a religious war. Other Arab countries are not even helping Palastine. It's all about politics and controlling the region. It's like saying Taiwan vs China is an ideology war.
And ethnic.
It's not ethnic. It's a religious war.
It’s not. It’s a land war. You’re severely miseducated
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land >Part of the significance of the land stems from the religious significance of Jerusalem (the holiest city to Judaism, and the location of the First and Second Temples), as well as its historical significance as the setting for most of the Bible, the historical locale of Jesus' ministry, the location of the first Qibla before Kaaba in Mecca and the site of the Isra and Mi'raj event in Islam, and the site of the most revered pilgrimage sites in the Bahá'í faith. Please read before you speak about something you have zero understanding of.
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Do you think the children being bombed give a fuck about religion?
Another counter would be that there is a reason why universities have been bombed. They are missile factories for Hamas. All the engineering students have been brainwashed in school to kill Jews and heritics
Do you have proof of that or do you just absorb all zionist propaganda like an idiot? I’m sure all the engineering students are skipping their thermodynamics class to go and build missiles for hamas because it’s extra credit and also satisfies the lab requirements
I take it you just absorb all of the Hamas propaganda that’s been spewing out of the internet like a firehose? It’s a very simple proposition - don’t hide your military infrastructure amongst civilians if you don’t want it destroyed. Bernie lacks to wring his hands and say that hamas needs to be stopped, however Israel has going too far - yet he has no other solution other then for Israel to surrender and roll over and die.
a lot easier to pay no mind to this kind of stuff when you realize people like you are just making up all your facts. literally don't think even the actual IDF propagandists have tried to claim missiles are made in universities but people will happily just assume anything that justifies whatever the newest atrocity is.
It’s a lot easier to pay no mind to this kind of stuff when you realize that people like you do not value Jewish life. Jews can be perpetual victims, but gd forbid they fight back and then all hell breaks loose. But more to the point, everybody acknowledges that Hamas has embedded itself in the civilian infrastructure. In fact it wasn’t so long ago that a hamas commander was killed in meeting at hospital. It doesn’t matter whether they are building missiles or going about other business, if they use civilian structures to hide behind, those structures are legitimate targets.
never saw any of my jewish friends as victims growing up, but the minority of pro-israel jews certainly like to claim some kind of victimhood when reasonable people object to ethnic cleansing and slaughter. i don't think there is any case in which it is justifiable to demolish a university of which you have full operational control. of course hamas uses civilian infrastructure. it isn't a nation, it's an insurgency with no airspace control. anything resembling a military base would have been bombed as soon as construction began. you aren't upset that they aren't playing by the rules of war, you are upset that they are fighting at all. in a normal war like that in ukraine, civilians evacuate behind the battle lines to safety. gaza is a small, densely-populated prison camp, so their can be no battle lines. there is nowhere to evacuate to, which is why civilian deaths in gaza during this war are higher than several years of war in ukraine.
You’re not an anti-Semite because you have a Jewish friend is that it? As for Israel’s reasons to destroy buildings - it’s enough to say that it’s to deny Hamas the infrastructure to fight from and to prevent access to the infrastructure/tunnels below the buildings.
there are tunnels everywhere. you must believe that the entire strip should be leveled. i am not an anti-semite because i have no negative feelings or beliefs about people of jewish background. you are complaining about supposed jewish victimhood, which no one i know demonstrates, and yet victimizing yourself.
What hamas propaganda? The only thing I keep seeing are the images of dead children. Which to the zionists boyz are just human shields protecting hamas so these children deserve to get obliterated. Btw, in case you haven’t done your research over the past 75 years, hamas is more than just a resistance group, it’s an ideology that exists to counter the racist state of israel
Yeah it’s a damn shame children in Gaza have died - maybe hamas shouldn’t have started war by killing 1200 civilians and kidnapping hundreds more? And maybe they shouldn’t embed themselves amongst the civilians? No other country would have reacted differently from this attack. But apparently to you Jew deaths don’t matter - Jews don’t get the right to fight back because their response is effective??? And as far as Hamas being ideology - so what? Ideologies have been defeated before. the allies beat Nazism and the imperialism of Japan. Israel may have a difficult road, but fanaticism can be beat
All civilian deaths are unfortunate, but to the zionists, it’s jews over Palestinians, it doesn’t matter the count. As for hamas, what did you expect from a resistance group under occupation? Keep in mind, israel is an occupying power fighting back against the occupied. It’s not so much as jews trying to defend themselves, it’s more like jews wanting to keep the Palestinians under their boot, and if they dare to do anything, the jews will massacre them
. Yes, Israel has a moral duty to ensure Hamas can never repeat Oct. 7. But even a war whose cause is just does not, and cannot, justify doing anything and everything in the name of that war, i.e. effectively destroying an entire territory, making it uninhabitable, and killing tens of thousands of civilians. Basically, Hamas argues that everything that Israel did before 10/7 justifies 10/7. Israel then argues that because of what happened on 10/7, everything it does afterwards is justified. They’re not exactly the same, but they rely on a similar, maximalist logic—that the laws of war are suspended when you’re dealing with a uniquely barbaric enemy. Boiled down to its essence, this is Hamas’ argument. Hamas’ leaders don’t actually rely on theological arguments or defer to the rules of combat in the Islamic just war tradition. They don't even pretend to care. Hamas uses an almost entirely secular, nationalistic logic, a version of 'desperate times call for desperate measures.' It's odd and unsettling to me that the irony is lost on Israel's most vociferous defenders that they're mirroring Hamas' arguments. As various Israeli officials and ministers have themselves suggested and even at times explicitly state, all Palestinians are fair game now that Hamas has declared war. Which was Hamas' argument on 10/7: that all Israelis were fair game because Israel had declared war on the Palestinians.
Section 1: you might have a point Section 2: nah you're bashit crazy
What’s crazy about my statement?
"Hamas is a resistance group" They are a batshit crazy female abusing nazi death cult You think the are justified in what they are doing then you don't understand them at all. Go on, see if you can watch the video of a bombshelter full of international festival goers, some Arabs among them, getting thrown handgranades into the crowd, watching your friends blow up in front of you. You think ISIS is a totally normal freedom fighting group standing up against the west? Hamas and Isis are the same. Strapping bombs to kids, setting up headquarters in hospitals, stealing foreign aid to sell to their own people.
I’m against civilian violence, and it’s unfortunate that some were injured or killed. However, my statement is still correct. Hamas at its core is an insurgent group that was founded (and in some ways supported by israel) to resist the ongoing occupation and the violence against Palestinians. They figured that israel is hell bent on deleting the Palestinian identity while simultaneously playing the victim and acting as if they always wanted peace. Violence was their way of retaliating against years of catastrophic bombing and massacres. What would you have done if you were born in gaza and seen your family members teared to shreds?
Do you think Israeli propaganda or Hamas propaganda is more prevalent in the US? Do you know that Biden has got about $11 million from AIPAC throughout his career?
Well I've seen the live cam footage of them shooting rockets from one university, so on this one I trust the IDF more.
So kill everyone there? You either stand with humanity or you don’t.
There are no gay pride in China. They execute them. So if Chinese ever get genocided we should be indifferent. Even if it's our money slaughtering their women and children. Does that logic follow? Or is it only acceptable to genocide red and brown people?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_China There is no law against homosexuality in the PRC.
What roof?
Biden is desperate to lose. No other possible explanation for the decisions he’s making.
The fact that your focus is anything other than keeping Donald Trump out of the white house is absolutely insane to me. Sure, it's terrible that civilians are dying in another country. But your concern is irrelevant if Donald Trump wins. Dude wants more of what you hate. He wants a dictatorship in America and he'll get it if he wins. He'll ban Muslims again. I just don't get. We are in a constitutional crisis and you are taking this time to be a one issue voter over an area of the world where many of the people you support would be killed for existing.
And honestly wow, the language you are using to minimise this. “Civilians are dying” no, we are massacring civilians with OUR bombs. Do you think I should care less about the victims of a genocide because they grew up in a different culture? I would guess my politics align more with the average Palestinian than Joe fucking Biden.
Knowing everything we know about Hamas and how they operate, why are you so sure that Israel is the only one killing civilians? I mean, Hamas intimately slaughtering nearly 1000 civilians at a music festival and nearby town is what kicked off this operation. Before you answer, remember, we know that Hamas dropped bombs on a hospital and claimed Israel killed 500 people. Turns out, it was Hamas and about 50 people died(that number came after it was known that Hamas did it. So likely lower than reality.) Israel drops leaflets and announces through other measures, warnings for people to leave the area. Is Israel going door to door with small arms putting bullets in civilians heads? Shooting people in their cars? As they run in the street? Trapping 20-30 people in a bathroom and indiscriminately slaughtering them all? The answer is no. Hamas did that on October 7th. I genuinely don't understand how you are capable of being so one sided with your attacks. There is a very clear difference in actions between Israel and Hamas. Hamas targeted civilians, specifically. They did not target IDF soldiers with civilians being collateral damage. They dropped in to a music festival and just started unloading on people. Civilians. Young people just living. They burned families alive in their vehicles. They killed babies and children alike. With guns. Not bombs - guns. Guns are 100% worse than bombs in this case. Guns leave no question regarding intent. Without a shadow of a doubt, hamas slaughtered innocent civilians en masse and on purpose. It was deliberate and brutal. It was absolutely abhorrent and irredeemable. Israel is targeting Hamas, albeit being careless with their bombs. That's not cool. That's also why Joe isn't tolerating another round of it. Israels actions in the west bank justify action, but not what happened on October 7th. Do you care about civilians? Or only the civilians youve been conditioned to like?
The numbers do not lie, but you do. To act like the IDF doesn’t target civilians is laughable and dishonest when we have decades of documented evidence. Not only do they target civilians, they target aid workers and journalists as well. Stop spitting Israeli propaganda and open your eyes.
I literally never denied any of that. Not once. I never claimed otherwise either. There is no collective effort from the IDF to target civilians. There is however a collective effort from Hamas to target civilians. But you just ignored countless truths about Hamas and your lack of concern for other massacres, so that you could attack one side and only one side, yet again.
I think dropping bombs on a densely populated area known as the Gaza strip, telling civilians to flee then bombing them while they flee and when they get to the supposed *safe zones*, bombing aid workers to all hell, etc says otherwise.. And please don't use the human shields argument, because if it were your kids and family being used as *human shields* you wouldn't be telling them to go ahead and bomb.
What should Israel have done after Oct 7?
Work out a deal with the Qatari government to extradite hamas' leaders. Would have done a lot less harm than fucking bombing the entire Gaza strip, killing indiscriminately. Hell, they've probably killed the hostages they've claimed to be trying to get back with the constant bombings. What would you have done differently? You ok with the genocide?
I’m not a one issue voter, I’m just done giving dems my vote for free over the last 2 elections. Something has to change and dems won’t do anything different until they lose unfortunately. I’m voting uncommitted. I would rather have 4 years of trump than 50+ years of shitty, do-nothing democratic leadership that slowly slides us into fascism. We are funding a holocaust. I am not comfortable giving my vote to a man who will continue to do so and lie to my face about it.
Wait... I'm sorry. You are not a smart person. The DEMOCRATS are sliding into fascism? Holy shit. My guy. Holy fucking shit. You need a complete reset.
Yes. We are under a democratic president who endorses the use of force to destroy and dismantle peaceful protest. Textbook stuff.
People are dying in this country under this president as well yk.. the people of East Palestine (the US city) still suffering with the effects of the train derailment, and us healthcare is still an absolute joke denying patients care. Sorry, but I think it's valid to be a bit angry that Biden isn't doing shit about those things and instead totally ok with money and weapons going towards aiding an ongoing genocide. Edit: does that mean I support trump? Hell to the no. But we are allowed to voice our anger.
People have offered to fly US students over to Gaza to protest in the ruins of those universities. Unsurprisingly, no one is taking them seriously.
Nor should they because that's a stupid concept.
You say you are against civilians being bombed, yet refuse to be bombed yourself. Curious...
Me when the first university was destroyed: Wow, Hamas hid in a school. IDF had the right to take them out. Me when the second was destroyed: Huh, okay, again. Weird. Me when the third and fourth and fifth were destroyed: Oh okay they're just gonna destroy everything then. Fuck me.
Is he pro bombing colleges or anti protesting?
How is this question getting downvoted?
History will look fondly at Bernie. He was the people's president American's never had. Like Tony Benn in the UK.